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Part of working out, being black and being able to put on a death glare , makes me win most fights without throwing a single punch.
That being said, if a woman who isn't my mother ever tried hitting me repeatedly with aggressive intent? I would slap her across the face. . . Hard, with the intent to knock her down.
Obviously a man shouldn't just sit back and let a woman scratch his eyes out (that just doesn't happen) but I find it a bit out of place if a male who is most likely bigger and stronger punches a female who is half his size in response to her slapping him. If there is a good opportunity for him to just hold her or push her off, which is the case in most instances where one attacker is significantly weaker than the other, then that is how he should proceed.
The key word in this situation is "self-defence", not "counter-attack".
Okay y'all keep saying they slap, but i see more or less girls punching people
The same argument still holds?
no, no it does not, you act like a women's punch/slap is weightless i could easily break a mans nose with a punch we are a threat
I’m sure we are. But if a man punches you back he probably could break your skull. Let’s not ignore biology and act like women and men have equal physical powers...
If i am fighting a man i am full aware he could cave my skull in
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What does it matter, what the response COULD do?
I agree that knocking a woman out for slapping you is wrong.
But if a woman assaults a man and breaks his nose, and he breaks hers in return, and nothing more, then how does his size and strength matter?
Why is it bad, when a man slaps back a woman who slapped him, as long as his slap doesn't do more harm to her, than hers did to him?
If the experienced pain and injury are exactly the same, what advantage did the man's size and strength give him, and how do they make the retaliation worse?
And why are you so concerned for a violent, abusive asshole, who goes around and assaults people, just because she has a vagina?
@Journeyman11 „If the experienced pain and injury are exactly the same, what advantage did the man's size and strength give him, and how do they make the retaliation worse?“
That’s just far too normative and optimistic on your part. If I, at 120lbs punch a 200lbs man in the face for whatever reason and he is aggravated he will certainly do more harm to me than I could do to him if he punches me in return. People very rarely have an adequate awareness of their physical strength, much less so when they find themselves in a situation where they are provoked and intrinsically reject any assessment and reflection on their own actions.
I hate that i have to make this comparison, but a man retaliating against a woman is in most instance very much like an 18 or 19 year old boy getting into a fight with a 14 year old. Of course the 19 year old is much more able to control the situation even if the 14 year old is the provocative actor in this case.
Therefore the 19 year old should very well be blamed if he abuses his physical advantage to beat the 14 year old to shit when he could have just defended himself.
I feel like people commenting on my opinion are under the assumption that I’m saying women shouldn’t be held responsible in any way for attacking men. That is however not at all what I’m saying. All I’m saying is that men and women are in most instances not physically equally strong and physical fights between women and men should consequently not be handeled as if there were. Not to mention that the „eye for an eye“ logic should never be supported in the first place, completely regardless of gender, but especially then.
Yeah, that's nonsense. That depends entirely on the force of the punch.
Your comparison is nonsense too. It's more like a very strong grown man punching back a weak grown man.
A 14 year old boy is A CHILD, that's what makes it wrong.
How "wrong" violence is, depends entirely on its effects.
A woman breaking a man's nose is worse than a man bruising a woman's cheek.
A man's STRONGEST punch will almost always be harder than a woman's, you're right about that.
But how wrong someone's violence is, must be judged after the fact.
When the effects are the same, gender, or who is stronger, does not matter.
And if the retaliation is considerably worse than the assault, it's not "an eye for and eye" - it's "two eyes for an eye".
Sorry. I refuse to see a man who breaks a woman's nose as any more despicable than a woman who breaks a man's nose.
And whatever it is one of them deserves for doing that, the other deserves too.
A man doesn't deserve to be retaliated against any more than a woman.
I already said that when the retaliation exceeds proportionality to the assault, it's wrong.
But if a woman assaults a man, and he hits her BACK, and inflicts proportional pain and injury on her, SHE IS STILL the abusibe asshole.
And I will not pity her. What is wrong with you? Why are you so concerned for people who just ASSAULT others? Why do you think it is wrong, to give EQUAL response to an ASSAULT? Why do you pity that person? It's their fault for assaulting someone!
*abusive
You pretend like ANY male on female violence is ALWAYS worse than any female on male violence. That's bullshit. Completely nonsensical.
Male on female violence CAN and often DOES have the same outcome.
And at that exact point, it is EQUALLY BAD.
We say that male on female violence is worse, because the outcome is potentially greater.
This means that how "bad" the violence is, depends on the outcome.
Female on male violence with the same outcome is equally bad as male on female violence.
Same goes for retaliation.
If the man's size and strength offered him any advantage, the outcome wouldn't be the same.
What someone "deserves" for being violent, depends on how "bad" their violence is.
How "bad" the violence is, depends on the outcome.
This means that, if a man deserves retaliation with a certain outcome, for violence with a certain outcome, a woman deserves retaliation with the SAME outcome, for violence with THE SAME outcome.
Tell me exactly how any of this is untrue.
AMEN SISTER. I thought that was common sense but clearly it isn't.
If you are brave enough to hit someone , no matter their gender, then you should be again brave enough to deal with the aftermath.
Verryy good Take.
Of course, men should hit them twice as hard so they learn their place...
However, once cops get called it's guaranteed the man is going to jail, never the woman; even in a case where the woman is pounding on the man and he just slaps her hard enough to leave a red mark. Hell, there's been cases where men call the cops and don't even defend themselves, and they are still the ones that get taken away. Just goes to show who really is favored in society.
I've slapped the soul out of women before in self defense, never been to jail.
@Tyme1313 Were the police called?
Yup, self defense is self defense.
It also help that I have 14 attorneys in my family, I'm a law student, and I've sued the city before and won. Cops do everything they can to avoid me. Which is why I intend to be a male version of Gloria Allred once I graduate.
If you are a man, and a woman hits you, and you fight back... she will go free, you will go to prison and be repeatedly raped. Morally and ethically justified responses are not the same thing as smart ones. Better just to avoid the risk factor and live a happy life.
This is very murky legal territory if you are a guy (I know - I was in a very abusive relationship... talked to cops at length). Film it. You want as much record as possible. Do NOT hit her if you can avoid it. Leave the scene of the situation as quickly as you can. Document everything and file a restraining order. If law enforcement shows up be prepared to go to jail (even if you are the one being hit).
Arguing against the "classic" feminist is pointless. They lash out and victimize themselves, the IQ of the entire street drops when one attempts to have a civil discussion with a feminist.
If one person attacks another then that person should be ready for self defence and retaliation from the other person it would be fair and acceptable and gender is not really relevant to that
While most often a woman is not much of a physical threat barring any weapons to a man (though there are plenty exceptions) and it may not feel necessary to give an equal response but if you initiate violence you have no cause to play victim if said violence is reciprocated
I am sorry, if a woman chooses to fight me, to actually attempt to cause me harm, I will fight back, I will leave her wishing she never attempted me harm, I will see to it she spends some time in the hospital.. I am a non violent person, in my life when it came to fights, not once was i the aggressor, I only ever hit someone that was hitting me first.
So yes i would defend my self, with lethal force if necessary. I value my life above all else. I'll not give it up easily.
I kind of agree but usually guys are stronger so i think its better to just restrain the girl (if they can), but if they can't then obviously yh they can fight back
@Journeyman11 this isn't about their gender, i meant like in general if there is a weaker and stronger person, then its better to restrain them and end the fight than be as childish as them and hit back
Its like when you have a child, when theyre angry they might try to hurt you and if you let them then of course they could but you dont. Your stronger than them so you restrain them, you dont punch them back just bc they hit u first, you should try to resolve the situation instead if making it worse
And that ‘eye for an eye’ stuff doesn't work bc before what happened there's always other stuff to the story, like maybe the guy killed her cat or maybe she's just crazy i duno but you can't just hurt someone bc ‘they did t first’ its nit ‘fair’ its just a waste if time and its childish
And what do you mean an eye for an eye doesn't work? Aren't prison sentences or fines punishments?
And someone who hits BACK doesn't think "I can simply hurt people!".
THE PERSON WHO HITS FIRST does.
Hitting back challenges this mindset in the most clear way imaginable.
And what is wrong with you calling assault childish?
It is not "childish".
It is dangerous. Yes, even if it is a woman.
Neither is hitting back childish. This is about the protection of personal boundaries.
I don't understand what gives you the idea that a person who does that, deserves any better, than what they do to others.
And what the fuck is that story with the cat? If SHE hits him for that, SHE is the one retaliating! And you seriously think a guy who kills a cat would not hit back?
We're not talking about some hypothetical idiotic scenario. We're talking about a woman assaulting a man. Period.
Why are you so concerned with a violent asshole's safety, just because that asshole is female, and her victim male?
@Journeyman11 your exageratig everything that i say, of course it isn't like hitting a child, my point was if someone is stronger and dont have to hurt someone to stop a fight then the least damage that happens the better.
Im not talking about guys and girls either by the way its for anyone stronger and of course it takes a bit if effort🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️The point is if they can be SAFELY restrained and no one needs to get hurt anymore then that is always the best solution. I already said if they can't be restrained then go and punch them or whatever.
Just because you are STRONGER, doesn't mean you can magically restrain people! It doesn't mean that another person can't hurt you either!
And it is not the defending person's responsibility to make sure their fucking ASSAILANT is safe and doesn't get hurt!
When YOU attack someone, YOU are responsible for what happens from then on out! And again, why are you so concerned with a violent, abusive asshole, just because they are female? And please, just fucking stop it. Of course this is about gender.
You say it's about stronger people and weaker people, but only because YOU happen to be weaker than most men. Don't pretend this isn't about gender.
I don't get it. I don't get why you are protecting people who go around with the mindset that they can assault people.
Why do you think they don't deserve to taste their own medicine?
Do you also feel pity for someone, who steals from others for fun, when their wallet gets stolen? Ridiculous.
@Journeyman11 ok i already said i dont care if its a man or woman, and yes the law is there to decide what happens, which is why you should tell the police and have them deal with it. The law isn't ‘an eye for an eye’ if you make someone deaf they dont make you deaf too, that doesn't solve anything.
And regardless of gender, if someone attacks you and you know you can restrain them then that is the best option, then u can call police and stuff. If you can't, then yeah fight back obviously.
Also yeah the scenario was made up but people have reasons for attacking other people and maybe theyre just being a jerk but we have no way to tell which is why it should be judged by an actual judge not random individuals
@Journeyman11 someone whi steals for fun js completely different to what were talking about bc people dont attack people ‘for fun’ there's a reason, and everyone has their own problems you can't just judge everyone on a couple of things u know about them
If anything is a reason to attack another person, then so is a person attacking you.
You can't justify an attack in one scenario, but then logically jump off board when it's about hitting back.
And if person A PURPOSELY makes person B deaf, person A DESERVES to be made deaf. If you say they don't deserve it, because maybe they had a reason, you are saying that person B deserved to be made deaf. Your position makes no logical sense.
If you say that people don't deserve to be retaliated against, because they had a reason to commit assault, you are still saying that people deserve to be retaliated against.
You are STILL justifying retaliation, when you say they had a reason, and therefore shouldn't be punished.
Do you understand that?
@Journeyman11 omg quit exaggeratingg so much of course the original attacker is bad and whoever started it is bad too im just saying if it were me and i could restrain them then i would do that rather than sinking to their level and causeing even more problems and if you disagree then go ahead and hit back thats ur own choice
You don't sink to their level when you hit them back... When you go and assault someone, THAT'S when you're on their level.
@Journeyman11 i think unless you absolutey have to, you should avoid violence when you can so obviously we just have different opinions
Your forgetting the main reason a guy will not hit a woman, other men. It doesn't matter if you feel it's ok to retaliate. Other guys will disagree with it and then it's bit just between you two it's you vs the rest of the place. If you're in private then it's just seen as domestic violence.
True. White knights don't care if she's a violent bitch, they will still attack you if you do more than rope-a-dope.
Some men and women cannot stand a strong woman. Yet, girls are supposed to put up with strong men and pretend it is normal. I just walk away from both. They are usually insecure. Just look at Trump---perfect example that fools a lot of people that he is strong but he is not at all.
One time in my country a vendor was accosted by gun toting bandits. The police soon got wind of it and intervened. The bandits fired at the officer and the officer returned fire, shooting two of the bandits dead. That officer was later publicly commended.
The interesting thing is that everyone involved in this incident was female.
If the man fears for his safety and can't escape absolutely he should fight back. First if all the idea :never hit a woman" should be true in as much as not initiating it, but that should be true regardless of gender. Man are often the victims of abuse but it goes under reported, and if a man only defends himself he is still blamed.
Everything you said here is completely right and I agree with everything you said.
If people call themselves feminists and go to play the I'm a girl card, then they're not feminist because that defeats the purpose of being equal.
The key to fighting back against female aggressors is to temper your response to the threat. If a woman slaps you because she feels wrong, it's not going to help your case if you punch her lights out. Did you feel threatened or were you angry? Now if a woman comes out you with a knife, anything goes. If she comes at you with her fists with the intent to hurt you then by all means, knock her ass out, but let your response be dictated by threat level, not emotion.
A woman who claims she supports equality but says that only she has a right to causing pain truly doesn't believe in equality.
If some bitch starts attacking a guy, he can fight back instead of being a victim.
What I would do if issue 3 warnings before striking. After that point, She will find herself in an armlock kissing the floor while I tell people around me to call the cops. I will avoid as much as I can to strike her because it might leave marks, which would play against me in a trial.
If things really go apeshit, I will fight for my life and she will not like it.
Nope you take that beating or you go to jail, she can beat the crap out of you legally and you are not allowed to defend yourself, it’s how it is, I’ve been attacked by women a few times, I just tried to video tape it, brought it to the police to file for assault and the cops laughed at me... it’s the world we live in, women are protected by the warm blanket of the law men are at the gunpoint of the law
I know women that have gone to prison for physical abuse against guys.
You have the right to defend yourself no matter who is posing a threat.
They tend not to hold up well in fights, so blocking and throwing off balance should cut it unless they refuse to back off.
In that case, unleash the beast.