How many of the women gave the money back, refused, or walked away when dealing with him? Dude is a monster for sure, but how many of these "victims" traded the moral high ground for a couple bucks and a few minutes on the big screen.
Pyrrhic victory. Women think men are all rapists. Men think women are out to falsely accuse or put in court of twitter with no due process a fumbled approach. This should have been taken care of by the police, not some social media campaign.
People will still abuse. if they want to abuse they will. they are not studying court cases like we do.. they are lonely people who live in their own hurtful life and have possible hurtful friends. these people will always exist just as nice people exist..
Justice has been served. Also fairness gonna come into the system. Women will not be able to use this method to get ahead of the competition. So those hardworking men too will benefit. My only point is why did these women wait all these years to disclose their encounters. It's not because of emotional trauma but mostly because they wanted career progression. I know it may sound bad and I'll get a lot of flak for this, but ain't it the truth?
These "steins", Ep and Wein give honorable men a bad name. I have to stop short of wishing he serve in a casting couch role in prison, but would not bleat about prison reform if it happened. He's about as close as they will get to Rosie.
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Yeah, that's cool and all but a woman like rose McGowan, Gwenth paldtrow knee he was doing this and said nothing and took hush money. And let OTHER WOMAN GET Violated. you can't be scared and take can'ty and settle. At least Courtney love and Seth McFarlane TRIED TO TELL y'all but the majority of people just laugh or didn't understand subtext.
A woman like amber heard set y'all back.
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You managed to write a great deal and say nothing. Weinstein will appeal, this is not over yet. And if he wins the appeal, you will look very foolish for having declared some hollow victory.
The Weinstein case just goes to show that its all about money and power. The 1% being the 1% doing things that only affect the 1% and patting themselves on the back with their saviour complex as if it has any affect outside of their bubble.
It definitely a victory. And it should be also a lesson to women not to surrender under pressure of agreeing to offer sex just to get ahead in the job or to keep the job. Also remove the shame and stigma and out it where it belong on the perpetrators
If Weinstein were an attractive man, he never would have been charged with anything. What these women are angry about is being essentially compelled (not forced) to have sex with an unattractive man to get a film career. Narcissism is really powerful as hell. There was no rape involved.
@kim45456 Nobody has ever alleged that, so it's just your imagination. If he had done that, the people that testified against him would definitely have said so.
@kim45456 No they don't, but having sex with someone who can help you is one way that people get better jobs. Again, cite the law that states that it is "illegal", or stop saying it is as I am getting tired of saying the same things to you over and over.
Your totally right this is what annoys me about feminism is that it only seems to be concentrating and highlighting on females. Issues like domestic violence and rape happen to males as well.
@mandigo But at what cost? We have lost at least one generation of women and quite possible a second. Women are more miserable than at any time in recorded history and women take out this misery on men. This is a really shitty situation.
That's because that's what feminism is all about victimhood. And no man can steal their victim status victim or not. Victimhood belongs exclusively to oppressed privileged women.
I think he should be pardoned and get a psycho therapy. He has a misconception about women’s behaviour that a lot of men mistakenly conceive women as inviting when women are just being nice.
@DorkVader If those women were victims, they were victim's of their own actions and circumstances. Women talk in the sistahood, so don't pretend if one woman knew about him that all women wouldn't know and tell the other women. You could also argue that pointing the finger at Weinstein is victim blaming.
@ThisAndThat Arguing that Weinstein is a victim is like arguing a domestic abuser or pedophile is only that way because they were abused themselves. At some point, personal accountability comes into play. He chose to do what he did because he knew he could get away with it.
Furthermore, I don't think these women discussed it like that due to nondisclosure agreements and such. Consider why people who work in a normal office environment don't discuss their pay 🤷🏿♀️
@DorkVader You fail to admit that the women knew what was going on but submitted to it in order to become famous. The same stuff goes on every day all over the world. Just that these, now old and not getting roles anymore, are now jumping on the bandwagon. It's like women having consensual sex and then complaining that they got a STD. They agreed to the terms of having sex by not saying no. Why is what all these actresses did any different?
Hmm, but you fail to mention the people who were harassed that didn't go along with it, that didn't have a big enough voice to make a difference. Are they somehow less deserving of justice?
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How many of the women gave the money back, refused, or walked away when dealing with him? Dude is a monster for sure, but how many of these "victims" traded the moral high ground for a couple bucks and a few minutes on the big screen.
Bingo! Women get vicious when the pussy power gets turned around on them.
Pyrrhic victory. Women think men are all rapists. Men think women are out to falsely accuse or put in court of twitter with no due process a fumbled approach. This should have been taken care of by the police, not some social media campaign.
It’s progress, but it doesn’t mean things are finished balancing out or that the basic problems of inequality and oppression have been resolved.
People will still abuse. if they want to abuse they will. they are not studying court cases like we do.. they are lonely people who live in their own hurtful life and have possible hurtful friends. these people will always exist just as nice people exist..
True, but having a functioning legal system means there is recourse for the victims of the avusive creeps.
True but others will take their place.
Justice has been served. Also fairness gonna come into the system. Women will not be able to use this method to get ahead of the competition. So those hardworking men too will benefit. My only point is why did these women wait all these years to disclose their encounters. It's not because of emotional trauma but mostly because they wanted career progression. I know it may sound bad and I'll get a lot of flak for this, but ain't it the truth?
Wonder when Bill Clinton’s trials going to start...
He flew on Epstein’s plane 26 times, if you don’t think the FBI or other agencies are working a case in him you’re an ignorant Liberal.
Maybe a trial or a grassy knoll
These "steins", Ep and Wein give honorable men a bad name. I have to stop short of wishing he serve in a casting couch role in prison, but would not bleat about prison reform if it happened. He's about as close as they will get to Rosie.
Yeah, that's cool and all but a woman like rose McGowan, Gwenth paldtrow knee he was doing this and said nothing and took hush money. And let OTHER WOMAN GET Violated. you can't be scared and take can'ty and settle.
At least Courtney love and Seth McFarlane TRIED TO TELL y'all but the majority of people just laugh or didn't understand subtext.
A woman like amber heard set y'all back.
You managed to write a great deal and say nothing. Weinstein will appeal, this is not over yet. And if he wins the appeal, you will look very foolish for having declared some hollow victory.
Hopefully we will see more females com forward an feel that the truth they speak will be not turned away as lies
An thank you to the guys who down thumbed me I thought no 1 read my opions 😊😊👍
The Weinstein case just goes to show that its all about money and power. The 1% being the 1% doing things that only affect the 1% and patting themselves on the back with their saviour complex as if it has any affect outside of their bubble.
It definitely a victory. And it should be also a lesson to women not to surrender under pressure of agreeing to offer sex just to get ahead in the job or to keep the job. Also remove the shame and stigma and out it where it belong on the perpetrators
I dont think his case will change anything in the world for others who do this.. they will still hurt others..
it will set an example that such things won't go unpunished anymore
I believe he was let off easy and sometimes women need to understand what a predator looks like in plain sight
It's all money and power , just like Bill Cosby
What Weinstein's case and verdict means is that men are not entitled to due process, and gossip about them can be used in court.
Jury Nullification
If Weinstein were an attractive man, he never would have been charged with anything. What these women are angry about is being essentially compelled (not forced) to have sex with an unattractive man to get a film career. Narcissism is really powerful as hell. There was no rape involved.
Stop supporting rapists
@kim45456 Trading sex for a film career is rape?
He probably threat them when they dont have srx with him.
Excellent point! If Harvey looked like Brad Pitt, none of this #METOO would have ever happened.
@kim45456 Threatened them with what, precisely?
Anyone who has not seen it needs to watch the Simpsons episode "Homer Badman"
Threat with ruining their caarer
@kim45456 Nobody has ever alleged that, so it's just your imagination. If he had done that, the people that testified against him would definitely have said so.
But also trading sex for a job is against policies.
@kim45456 what "policies" ?
In general. That is not legal at all
@kim45456 Really? Can you cite the law that forbids it?
Since when can bossess trade sex for job?
@kim45456 Since when can't they? Happens all the time.
I dont think that is legal. So women have to have sex to get a job in order to not live on the streets and to not starve?
@kim45456 No they don't, but having sex with someone who can help you is one way that people get better jobs. Again, cite the law that states that it is "illegal", or stop saying it is as I am getting tired of saying the same things to you over and over.
Go look up yourself. What he done is not legal and very unfair too
@kim45456 You asserted it, you support it. Which you can't because you are apparently too stupid to do a little research, or too lazy. Go away.
Haha why are you supporting trash guys like him.
How would you feel if your mum had to trade sex for job to feed you and survive
BINGO EXACTLY! MGTOW is already in the millions world wide, and that's OK, we have plenty of room to grow and we're doing too rapidly.
Does this include men too? Because feminists are awfully silent on the Johnny Depps case.
Your totally right this is what annoys me about feminism is that it only seems to be concentrating and highlighting on females. Issues like domestic violence and rape happen to males as well.
Dont matter we just need to ride this bullshit feminisme out, because feminisem does not work and its going to backfire realy realy hard.
@mandigo But at what cost? We have lost at least one generation of women and quite possible a second. Women are more miserable than at any time in recorded history and women take out this misery on men. This is a really shitty situation.
That's because that's what feminism is all about victimhood. And no man can steal their victim status victim or not. Victimhood belongs exclusively to oppressed privileged women.
I think he should be pardoned and get a psycho therapy. He has a misconception about women’s behaviour that a lot of men mistakenly conceive women as inviting when women are just being nice.
No way. He knew wtf he was doing. Don't give me that bs.
@DorkVader And they knew too yet accepted it to get ahead.
@Daniela1982 Victim-blaming. It's the main reason most women in a vulnerable position don't report bad behavior of people in power. Imagine that
@DorkVader If those women were victims, they were victim's of their own actions and circumstances. Women talk in the sistahood, so don't pretend if one woman knew about him that all women wouldn't know and tell the other women. You could also argue that pointing the finger at Weinstein is victim blaming.
@ThisAndThat Arguing that Weinstein is a victim is like arguing a domestic abuser or pedophile is only that way because they were abused themselves. At some point, personal accountability comes into play. He chose to do what he did because he knew he could get away with it.
Furthermore, I don't think these women discussed it like that due to nondisclosure agreements and such. Consider why people who work in a normal office environment don't discuss their pay 🤷🏿♀️
@DorkVader You fail to admit that the women knew what was going on but submitted to it in order to become famous. The same stuff goes on every day all over the world. Just that these, now old and not getting roles anymore, are now jumping on the bandwagon. It's like women having consensual sex and then complaining that they got a STD. They agreed to the terms of having sex by not saying no. Why is what all these actresses did any different?
Hmm, but you fail to mention the people who were harassed that didn't go along with it, that didn't have a big enough voice to make a difference. Are they somehow less deserving of justice?
If you don't have papers, then go to where you do...
It's Not Funny how " Harvey Wienstien " Was Convicted of Rape "
It would mean that there's accomplishment showing rich and powerful that theyre not above the law because of there status.
Yes. He did an evil thing and sadly, other women will be afraid to testify in the future.
In all of these cases there is usually 50% that are actual victims and the other 50% are in in for the money...