Men shouldn't have to prove how manly they are!

[nerdybutlazy]

We stan long-haired men now before, y'all come for my throat let me explain something I've learned about men over the years.

Society actively promotes to young boys that violence is the only way to get a girl: Have you ever heard adults saying to young girls. "Oh, he pulled your hair. It means he likes you". It does *cough* sex joke *cough*, But this is a problem because this body becomes a man. As I made it, he learns to believe I have to be aggressive about how I talk to women, so she'll notice me. Thus he does, and when it doesn't work, he acts angry when he's actually upset, but becuase that's one of the few emotions he's told he is allowed to show, he calls the woman a whore or a bitch and leaves her alone...if she's luckily or in the event it goes well, she positively reinforces that, and now in his mind, the idea that "oh women like it when I'm aggressive to them" grows.

Now, what does this have to do with anything? Well, the reality is after society has taught us what it thinks we should do, we as people bully each other into conforming with societal norms. Now here is a crazy idea, what if we stopped that? I personally think if you tell me you identify as a man, okay, you're a man. You don't have to go out into the great outdoors and cut down a tree to prove that, no shame to lumberjacks, of course. But bare with me a second, imagine a moment in your life where people say you agreed on something and you didn't want to agree, and it was something small like you actually like pineapple on pizzas. The reality of this plays out the day with the whole,

"oh, you're a beta male becuase you aren't 6'9 and have washboard abs".

"Oh, paint your nails. You're gay".

"Oh, you're depressed, man up."

"Oh, you don't think she's a slut, SIMP!!".

"Oh, you like your hair longer. Just say you wanna be a girl".

These statements are real statements and affect real people, and most people statistically speaking aren't 6 feet tall or have washboard abs. It's not gay if a guy wants to experiment a little with his look; it's just self-expression. Men do have mental health issues; more men are statistically going to die from depression, and I've seen the little crazy guys online repost it again and again that men do suffer, Okay? Then shouldn't we talk about it? If a guy doesn't drink, it doesn't mean he's a pussy; if a guy has long hair, that's fine (tbh I think it's beautiful). Also, if a man doesn't want to join in on dragging women, it's not a big deal.. he just minds his own business.

Personally, let's give men the room to talk about their body issues, sexual and much more.

Sidenote: women, can we stop expecting all guys to be 6'0 tall? The average height for men in both Canada and America is 5'9, and for women, it's 5'6; that being said... he'd still be tall than you on average. This is life, not an NBA draft like chill.

[Iwasthinkingif]

YES.
Thank you for that.
Men who experiment with their styles and are conscious that they hold both feminine and masculine energy and are confident in their masculinity without trying to prove it are *chef kiss*

[nerdybutlazy]

We love a man comfortable in his body and his gender fluidity

[ThisDudeHere]

His gender what?

[JoJoiLL]

@nerdybutlazy and @Iwasthinkingif you're both rare and amazing and you've made my week :)

[Iwasthinkingif]

@JoJoiLL Thank you for understanding us and I'm glad we made you smile :)

[nerdybutlazy]

@ThisDudeHere it means that a man who likes to express both feminine and masculine traits, I don't really like group them by either but just a man comfortable with his feminine side, it's okay to do that. I mean I love seeing guys who wanna be themselves regardless of what that is

[nerdybutlazy]

@JoJoiLL AwW that's so sweet :D I'm happy you liked the post and our two cents. Have a great week and happy holidays

[COMMODOREII]

Amen sister!!!

[nerdybutlazy]

lol, tbh I couldn't imagine just being a normal guy than seeing other men online screaming about how macho they are, I'd be embarrassed

[COMMODOREII]

Nah. A real man isn't embarrassed just amused. After all you have those who have to express themselves loudly to try to seem strong and those are the ones who are the weakest.

[nerdybutlazy]

You are probably my favourite guy on this site

[COMMODOREII]

thanks 😎

[ThisDudeHere]

It's literally in the man's own best interests to prove themselves manly.

[nerdybutlazy]

To each their own opinion

[NarutoUzumaki007]

true dude.
we have ladies here telling us they know more about what being a man means

imagine if a guy makes a video or writes an article about what being a woman must mean in today's era. The shitstorm it will cause

[errorgoodnameunfound]

How exactly do you define "proof of being manly" though and why would I benefit? For all I know, "manliness" according to you is fucking a unicorn until rainbows shoot out. Maybe to you that's manly and beneficial... somehow... but I think the majority would disagree.

[ThiccOrc]

If you have to prove it... I doubt you have it. Lol just be yourself. You can act as tough as you want but it won't make your dad like you more or your weenie grow an inch

[ThisDudeHere]

@ThiccOrc by 'prove' I didn't mean to go out of one's way to seek attention. But if you're in a social situation and are faced with a hard situation - you could prove yourself manly by dealing with the situation, or not by fleeing.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Dude. That's not called being manly. That's called survivalist instincts. Also sometimes it's better to walk away and sometimes it's better to stay and fight. Depends.

[ThisDudeHere]

@errorgoodnameunfound survivalist instincts? what?

[nerdybutlazy]

Society has evolved past that point anything else

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Yah, basically what she said ^ This isn't year 1 BC Spongegar.

[DevilsAdvocator]

OK, let me try and show you how this comes across from a male standpoint, by presenting my own counter-take in exactly the same way:

We stan bald women now before, y'all come for my throat let me explain something I've learned about men over the years.

Society actively promotes to young girls that compassion is the only way to get a guy: Have you ever heard adults saying to young guys. "Oh, she gave you a Valentine's day card. It means she likes you". It does *cough* sex joke *cough*, But this is a problem because this body becomes a woman. As I made it, she learns to believe I have to be nice about how I talk to men, so he'll notice me. Thus she does, and when it doesn't work, she acts angry when she's actually upset, but becuase that's one of the few emotions she's told she is allowed to show, she calls the man an abuser or a bastard and leaves him alone... if she's luckily or in the event it goes well, she positively reinforces that, and now in her mind, the idea that "oh men like it when I'm nice to them" grows.

Now, what does this have to do with anything? Well, the reality is after society has taught us what it thinks we should do, we as people bully each other into conforming with societal norms. Now here is a crazy idea, what if we stopped that? I personally think if you tell me you identify as a woman, okay, you're a woman. You don't have to go off into every kindergarten you can find and change toddlers' diapers to prove that, no shame to teachers, of course. But bare with me a second, imagine a moment in your life where people say you agreed on something and you didn't want to agree, and it was something small like you actually like pineapple on pizzas. The reality of this plays out the day with the whole,

"oh, you're ugly because you aren't under 5' tall and don't have G+ size tits".

"Oh, you don't paint your nails. You're a lesbo".

"Oh, you can't NOT be depressed, gender inequality still exists, woman up!"

"Oh, you don't think he's a player, BITCH!!".

"Oh, you like your hair shorter. Just say you wanna be a guy".

These statements are real statements and affect real people, and most people statistically speaking aren't under 5 feet tall or have breasts bigger than G-cups. It's not lesbian if a girl wants to experiment a little with her look; it's just self-expression. Women do have mental health issues; more women are statistically going to die from stress-exacerbated issues like obesity, diabetes and heart diseases, and I've seen the little crazy girls online repost it again and again that women do suffer, Okay? Then shouldn't we talk about it? If a woman does boxing, it doesn't mean she's butch; if a girl has no cleavage whatsoever, with a chest looks like she's still in elementary school, that's fine (tbh I think it's beautiful). Also, if a woman doesn't want to join in on dragging men, it's not a big deal.. she just minds her own business.

Personally, let's give women the room to talk about their body issues, sexual and much more.

Sidenote: men, can we stop expecting all women to be slim? The average BMI for women in both Canada and America is 29.6 now, overweight, and for men, it's 26.6; that being said... she'd still weigh less than you on average. This is life, not a beauty pageant like chill.

... So, you buying it? Thought not.

[nerdybutlazy]

what was the point of this if you wanna make a mytake there's a place to do it not in the comments

[DevilsAdvocator]

My point is that your MyTake comes across as being just as false, patronizing and overladen with empty platitudes, for us men, as my gender-reversed version of it comes across to you women. If you're a loser in life and a self-proclaimed 'nice guy'/'good girl', who blames the other gender for having standards and not being sexually attracted to them, refusing to take any responsibility for their inability to attract members of the opposite sex and to even consider self-improvement- then, whether you're male or female, you'll lap both up due to confirmation bias. If you're not, though, then you'll know full well that both are, for more than 99% of the population (though not all, since lady-boy and fugly fetishes still exist), steaming piles of garbage...

[nerdybutlazy]

you've got problems that's all i'll say

[nerdybutlazy]

You've got a lot of time I see

[errorgoodnameunfound]

I disagree.

[Anpu23]

It is interesting to me how many women feel entitled to speak on the male experience. A lot of what you are speaking about is simply incorrect or misunderstood. Male hierarchy is much different than most women seem to think. A good example of this is the "Self Made Man" experiment (https://g.co/kgs/k7Pr4c ) male interrelationships is much more subtle, complex and less violent then most women seem to think. Further when violence does happen it's often more bonding then damaging. A lot of the pressure to conform to standards does not come from other men, at least after adolescence, but rather from female expectations. Especially perceived requirements for dating. Further this concept you have of anger being the only acceptable emmotion is simply incorrect, men, especially young men are allowed any emotion but anger, if you go back and look at the movie "The Mask You Live In." (https://g.co/kgs/PfWat8 ) there's a scene where a group of young men are asked to put on a piece of paper the emotions that they can not express and universally they stated "anger." This is because male anger has such a negative perception from women. Your writing is perpetrating this fear of a natural emotion from young men. Further the lack of male only bonding and healthy male role models is creating a whole group of emotionally crippled young men, because they are being forced to emote in a way that is unnatural to them (If you need references I'll add them, but in essence guys show emotion girls talk emotion. This is from brain wiring not social expectation just google FMRi differnces in emotions between sexes).

[nerdybutlazy]

Never said I was telling men what to do it was just and I've said this to tons of men on here, you don't have to be the tough guy all the time, it's okay for men do try doing other things that aren't "traditional" but a lot of you wanna die on that cross and it's not my problem

[Anpu23]

No, what I am saying is your perpetuating a myth that is based on a misunderstanding of how men interact with each other. What this conversation does is set our young men up for failure. Society is not kind to men. Adult males are disposable, I've written about this elsewhere, and to add in an expectation of kindness and understanding is just cruel. If we don't prepare children for the world that they will grow into it's a failing on our part.

[Unit1]

"Men shouldn't have to prove how manly they are!"

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! There are "men", who feel they must prove, that they're a man? What insecure babies! Were they castrated at birth or what?

"you're a man. You don't have to go out into the great outdoors and cut down a tree to prove that"

I was thinking I can just whip out my tool and slap them in their faces left and right with it if they ever question it 😂😂😂 That'll show them. But the real deal I explain just in a moment down below:

"These statements are real statements and affect real people"

I do not spend any of my time nor my neurons on what sub-average-intelligent imbeciles have to say. Perhaps that's why I have only a handful of friends.

"It's not gay if a guy wants to experiment a little with his look; it's just self-expression."

And I blame this problem why men have so little available in their wardrobe and the clothing stores dedicating no more than 20% of their space for men's clothing and unisex clothing. And why men's fashion is almost dead. A modern problem but a solution is not being sought after in large scales. Online designer clothing stores are our last resort here.

"more men are statistically going to die from depression"

I must be immortal then. Kidding! Depression is the incurable and psychological rape.

What can I say except...

I'm a man. Deal with it.

[nerdybutlazy]

It's really sad that you think that but pick your poison

[Unit1]

Say what?

[nerdybutlazy]

Oops sorry, i went through this without my glasses on. I thought you were on of the guys screaming, AHHH women can't talk about men's issues, which kinda bugs me becuase it's my thesis lol and two, it's really important guys don't really get to express themselves as easily and it's a real problem

[Unit1]

I'm not RolandCuthbert
😂😂😂

[knottywriter]

I think the stereotypes of what's supposed to be "normal" are forever supporting this attitude of what boys/men should be. It also does the same for our girls/women. There are unrealistic expectations and the ones that continually promote how manly they are seem to have more issues they are trying to cover up with this alleged manliness. I think it takes a stronger guy to be comfortable with vulnerabilities and being okay with who they are and not what society tells them they are. If you go get a manicure, you get called guy but why can't a guy want to look nice and polished for a lady? Or hell, I went and got one with my daughter once just as a daddy/daughter date. Did I get polish? No, but I did get my hands and nails looking nice and smooth. Lol But what about be sensitive? We teach our boys that sensitivity is something they shouldn't show... and then we ask why are boys so violent these days? Men should not have to face judgment anymore than a woman should have to for being boyish or how they look or whatever. Society doesn't get to decide who we are. We do as individuals. I love this myTake and hope everyone can take some knowledge from it and apply it to their own lives.

[grega239]

Yes. Manhood does need to be proven.
Take ellen paige for example. A woman who woke up one day and decided to be a man. Sorry but no, absolutely not.

Or maybe someone like james charles. I don't consider that type of person as a man even if he is male.

Yes little boys are somewhat aggressive towards little girls that they like because they aren't good at expressing it.
Thats why we teach little boys to not be aggressive when interacting with girls/women. And we teach it to them by telling them that real men don't treat women like that.

And yes, mental health for men is dogshit and it has very little to do with men lack of expression, but rather the current societal climate we live in.

Take "toxic masculinity" as an example.
It has to be one of the most pointless terms to have ever existed, since masculinity is meant to prevent excessive behavior such as aggression and throwing a fit when things don't go your way.

This coupled with feminists blaming men for history ( false history might I add), fewer women in high positions, the (imaginary) wage gap, not to mention the legal system that so blatantly favors women.

No wonder men's suicide is as high as it is.

And most men don't talk about their feelings and mental health issues because it would be ignored at best or used against them at worst, so why tell anyone?

[nerdybutlazy]

Not you blaming feminists for male suicide omlll

[grega239]

I'm not blaming feminists for male suicide, I am blaming them for creating the conditions that created this suicide crisis.

[ThiccOrc]

Your atitude right here is why men have such a high suicide rate. You say they have to prove themself to be a man, you say Gay and trans men aren't "real" men, anyone who doesn't confirm 100% to your worldview is a fake man. What makes you the masculinity police? You're the perfect example of toxic masculinity, you want people to pretend to agree with you and pretend to be tough cause if they don't you'll bully them and say they aren't real men. You say real men don't act like that and should hold themselves accountable and then throw fits online blaming others for men's issues. I'm a man, born one, have the parts and everything, if I want to have long hair and a beard and wear nail polish and dresses, it's none of your fucking business. If people are born gay or trans, you have no right to invalidate them. If you think I'm not a real man for that then that's fine. Your opinion of me is worthless.

[grega239]

@ThiccOrc no I don't think trans men are real men. Dressing like and calling yourself a man doesn't magically make a woman into a man.

Not gonna lie I do find that a lot of gay men are very feminine in how they behave.

Ellen paige can call herself a man all day long, I'm just not going to accept it.

I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone. Trans an gay men can do as they wish, that's their right, just as it's my right no not agree with it.

You can grow your hair long and paint your nails. Go ahead. I'd doesn't impact me.

[__inkRat]

Well tnx for you opinion, but no you are wrong. Look what happened with for example grid girls in F1, feminists took away there jobs, because woman is supposed to have choice but at the same time feminist didn't like it and made campaing to destroy gird girls jobs, no one asked grid girls what they think of it.
Also you dont have an idea what masculinity is. Masculinity is NOT proving you are manly, masculinity is NOT about looks or who you date or with whom you sleep. You can't even define masculinity as it is different from culture to culture from group of friends to next group of friends. Masculinity is at best guidelines of what could be expected from man. Talking about issues or painting nails is masculine just because it does fall in line with idea of being your own man. If you feel ok in your own body or how you look, it means you are not afraid of it, you have courage to be what you want to be.

I do not expect you to understand this, but man are not woman, we dont tend to think like woman. Things that work for woman, does not work for man. Like if there is issue we want to fix it, not talk about it and hope it goes away. If telling that woman does not need to be something works for you, great, but I dont know any man who thinks like that. For men I know its can I fix it (even if there is low chance of success), its fix it or ignore it, or if there is nothing you can do about it, its ignore it.

Yes man should not prove his manliness, as his manliness might not be what other guys manliness is. In a group its a bit different, because people tend to group by common interests and way of thinking, so then they start to compare a bit. But then again man usually are into competition and are ok with it. From what I have seen, its if someone is failing, they tend to laught about it for a bit and then help to reach common level. Again Its not something I have seen in woman. Good deamit man can have bloody fight and in next minute be best friends.

[nerdybutlazy]

I'll talk about men's issues for two reasons becuase it's fair and becuase it's something women should do, so if you're hurt, your hurt. I just gave some situation I've seen. If you dint like it, then i don't know what to tell you cus I'm not deleting my post, feminism needs to talk about men's issues, even though I never brought it up here, but it's weird how anytime a woman does talk about men doing something else people instantly think feminist like it's some dirty cult?

[__inkRat]

@nerdybutlazy
Lets assume I have problems with my masculinity and lets assume that I have taken your advice to heart. What now? What I'm supposed to do next? I'm still man, I still need to do something about it. I can't just cry about it, tell myself I dont need to do something in order to fix problem and pretend problem will fix itself somehow or go away. Saying that one should not prove his masculinity to others does not fix issue of his masculinity in first place, it just buries it. So what now? I buried this problem of my masculinity as you suggested. What now? How long I will be able to bury it before I can't deal with it anymore? What then? Should I try to bury it again in hopes that at one time, I dont pull trigger? Or should I try and do something about it? Support for man and woman does not work in the same way, why its so hard to understand it?

Its the same as I would say, if you have problems with you feminity, learn to cook, be house wife, leader when needed, submissive when needed, dance, grace, how to flirt and so on. I doubt it will work on woman, in fact you will eat me alive without salt, it just makes you more angry, how that man dares to tell how we should act. But then you are perfectly ok with telling man how they should be, how they should deal with there problems, how they should think.

And yes for man feminism isn't great, because for most parts it assumes that things that work on woman even barely, will work on man perfectly fine. Feminism is trying rewrite what man is.

[Ozanne]

"Now here is a crazy idea, what if we stopped that?"

Yep, already on it! :) I've never been one to shun a man's feelings, and to try and be a good listener to my friends whenever they need to get something off their chest. One can learn a lot that way. Over time, it's made me see how much alike a lot of people are when they just want to be heard and accepted.

So if I'm doing my part, and if I can lead by example, hopefully others might notice how to just stop putting expectations on people and let them be.

[nerdybutlazy]

I like that I think we should give people the chance to be more open in conversation about there feelings regardless of gender

[The_unknown_memer]

This true and something I have been telling for so long.

Let's not forget that society asks men to always have a woman in his life. Like if you don't have a woman , then your not a man.

This leads to some men committing suicide simply for breaking up or getting rejected

It leads to men being angry after being rejected

And it's the reason why gay men are more abused than lesbians ( not saying lesbians don't experience abuse or violence towards them but comparatively, it's better to be a lesbian than a gay man)

And now it's time for us men to start supporting women and try help them solve their issues.

[nerdybutlazy]

Couldn't say it better myself I post somewhere on here just stuff kinda like this and the men who tried to support these ideas of oh you gotta be a big tough man to get a woman, who women don't want kind men. It's so sad to see I found a man who is kind, sweet and caring, I actively try my best to make him happy not becuase he's a man but becuase he deserves it... nice guys deserve love and so do guy that don't force their masculinity

[TessCasie]

I think the moment a girl plays hard to get, the guy begins to show his manliness when he REFUSES to continue to pursue her after getting disinterest or mixed signals. Which clearly means he is a man of high self esteem, knows his worth and plays his part as a guy meant to be termed as" High quality men". And of course, thereafter if a girl gets hold of his attention he will continue to shower his love, affection and compassion to her. All the qualities a woman would love to have in a man and thereafter be a parent.

[nerdybutlazy]

See here's my problem with that personally I've learned men just wanna know straight up if your interested that's why I always just say, "hey what's up", by another social norm to break is men need to do all the catching dating is a game but it's no fun with just one player

[TessCasie]

That norm of men need to do everything must seriously break🤦‍♀️

[Denial1984]

Yeah, newsflash, that "norm" is never gonna change, because it's based on the fact that women don't NEED to approach men. As a man, if I don't approach women, maybe one woman will outright hit on me every few years. In other words, I will be forever alone.

Whereas, as a woman, if you don't approach men, men will hit on you all the time regardless.

This is for biological reasons, and it is not exclusive to humans. Women are pickier than men, because it makes evolutionary sense for them to be pickier. It makes evolutionary sense for men to be promiscuous.

[TessCasie]

@Denial1984 so if a woman hits on you aka approach you , YOU don't like it? that's why you said You'll forever be alone huh...

[Denial1984]

You misunderstand. Women hardly ever hit on men. I have experienced it maybe a handful of times in my life. And I am sure that there are guys who get less attention than I have been afforded.

If I hit on women, most are not interested. Many get annoyed. Some get unpleasant.

You can dream all you like of some fluffy utopia where everyone is brought up as an enlightened feminist, but it won't change the utter indifference of most women towards most men.

[Not_Average]

Our gender norms all derive from our biological roots. Society is responsive to our biology, and it’s a complex subject, but it really just comes down to that.

We as a society are becoming more and more privileged and take basic amenities for granted. Men’s testosterone is on a sharp decline since most of us work jobs in which we sit on our ass all day. Diets are declining. Men in general are becoming more weak.

This entire progressive movement of discounting biology in an attempt to feminize men is extremely toxic. There’s strong links to depression, suicide, and divorce tied with this progressive movement.

I think men would be happier in general if they stopped acting in effeminate ways. It’s unnatural. They would attract more women, progress faster in society, and carry higher amounts of testosterone. They would have lower rates of depression, and have better interactions with people in the world.

[nerdybutlazy]

@not_average sigh to each there own

[Anonymous]

Thanks so much <3

It's the very beginning of this realization among men, still needing our own safe places and "concerned voices" to talk about it and deconstruct everything, but it's in the way, thanks for seeing this truth as a woman and keep doing the emotional labor in the mean time we do the job lol

[nerdybutlazy]

@Kittyboy, awn thanks fam I kinda wish people realized we're all different we can be different if we want to be, there's nothing wrong with being manly and there's nothing wrong with not being manly. Masculine and feminity are things I just think people can figure out for themselves 💛

[bamesjond0069]

This is man hating and this is leading to depression in males. It makes men happy to be masculine and aggressive and strong. Men who become beta simps or just overpowered by women are the ones who get depressed the most.

Women like acceptance and being nice but that shit is irrelevant to men. Dont you understand that men and women are different and what seems good to you is horribly bad to us? Just as what seems good to us seems horribly bad to you? you're just another woman who thinks she knows better about what men want... than men. Another naggy know it all.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

How is what she is doing men hating?

[bamesjond0069]

@ThisIsMyOpinion she is hating on basically the default nature of man. It would be like if i went on and on about how girls who like to do any sort of feminine dress or makeup are bad, only wear pants, crying is bad, stop it. Men dont cry so women need to stop. Etc etc. That would be fucked up.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

She is not saying is bad. She is saying that not be a super manly man is more than fine. Doesn't make you less of a men.
Be super super manly or not you are still a man. That's what she is saying. Not that being manly is wrong.

[nerdybutlazy]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Thank you for the help @thisismyopinion, I don't mind how people choose to express themselves, I'm just saying hey, this stuff is okay too cause I know not every guy has someone to talk to so post about stuff like this one may help some random guy feel a little better besides, makeup, clothes don't have a gender, I'm not an "nagging" know it all ironical I'm actually doing my thesis on male behaviour in society, so I've had to read a lot on men's issues and I have a lot of friends that are men that do tell me about stuff. I just wanted to make a safe space that's all :)

[bamesjond0069]

@nerdybutlazy but by telling men its ok you're encouraging them to be unhappy.

Most men are naturally in the middle of the manliness spectrum if left on their own. Some of them really will fall for the girl like behavior you say is ok and then they will wonder why girls don't like them (by the way girls as a whole do not date girly cry boy sissy men). These are your typical incels, typing angrily on the computer stuff like "my girlfriend told me it was ok to share my feelings and I cried and the next week she broke up with me. I feel like this has to do with me crying." (this exact subject can be found repetitively all over gag an the internet in general.

Men like women. Men who can't get dates or a girlfriend or sex are unhappy.

SO by you encouraging men to have their girlfriends dump them or girls to not even date them is making them unhappy. Your typical short term happy feel good girl mindset is not helpful to men. He might be happy to cry and paint his nails IN THIS MOMENT, but he will be much less happy when his girlfriend of 5 years dumps him for being a pussy.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@bamesjond0069 no she is not. We don't need to achieve a "level of manliness" to be happy. Whatever that is.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Also when is she encouraging men to have their girlfriends dump them?

[bamesjond0069]

@ThisIsMyOpinion See my example I was nice enough to type out. I will copy and paste for you: "my girlfriend told me it was ok to share my feelings and I cried and the next week she broke up with me. I feel like this has to do with me crying." (this exact subject can be found repetitively all over gag an the internet in genera).

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@bamesjond0069 on the other hand when I did it my girlfriend hugged me saying "You didn't deserved the life you had". Today she is my wife and I am super happy. So what you say doesn't really apply.

[bamesjond0069]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Well good for you. In general that isn't a typical experience. Its like saying the best way to be rich is to never ever work and buy a lotto ticket. Someone has done that and it worked for them but its factually bad advice for other people.

[nerdybutlazy]

You caliming that they are sissy cry baby men is my of a problem then again less, and no this is no real gender difference, there are no gender laws anywhere so it's not typically illegal in sense besides you can't speak for every man and neither can I, if some man says he wants to try wearing brighter more "feminine colours" that's his chosen. I'll admit women do support the toxic mindset of men but tbh if a woman left you for crying you were better off without her, it's normal. Also, why is it possible that it's your personal idea of power politics is at play here? Like there's no good girl act here it's just common sense and incel is extremely different from what we are talking about and incel would exactly be more likely to agree with you. I think you just actually have a few person issues when it comes to gender politics and you're thinking about it way to hard, also from this storyline maybe some women are like that, that's the acting on the gender norms that you wish to uphold so badly... no genders no one would care if a dude cried or not

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@bamesjond0069 yours is the one that is not a typical experience. Most women don't mind if their man showns emotions.

[bamesjond0069]

@ThisIsMyOpinion why do masculine men get most of the girls? Hmm. Im masculine. I have a girlfriend who lets me fuck other girls, three fuck buddies, and some cuck told me to fuck his girlfriend the other day so i did. If i was a sissy cry baby fag boy i guarantee i wouldn't have gotten any of them. And that would make me sad.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I do not believe a word of that.
But I can say that I am not a super masculine guy and I never had trouble getting girls. Read what they all ar leaving here. More and more guys don't act like that and yet have no trouble getting girls.

[bamesjond0069]

@ThisIsMyOpinion if you say so. Most of the guys are incels.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

What? No they are not!

[WowwGirl]

@bamesjond0069 tell um 💗

[TessCasie]

Wow you literally showed her your so manly

[Barbaric]

@bamesjond0069 I agree partially. I don't think that women like this hate men at all. I think that they're well-meaning. They just don't understand men, the way men have been influenced, or why this is actually doing more harm than good. They'll never get it either.

[bamesjond0069]

@Barbaric I don't know i used to think that in general about people but the whole concept of i know better than you is not really a nice friendly well meaning concept. It means you look down on others and dont respect them. So thats why i call it man hating. A girl who knows better than men even when they tell her no you're wrong about something so personal a woman could never know doesn't respect men.

[Barbaric]

I think that's just the way most people are taught today. As I always say, many people speak about political correctness but what we also have is female correctness. The idea that the way women think and behave is ideal, and that the world would be better if only men were more like women.

Most people also subscribe to the "blank slate theory", the idea that there are no biological differences between men and women, that our differences are almost entirely socially conditioned. Or at the very least they misunderstand how different we are, preferring to pretend that we're mostly the same when we're not.

Therefore when men speak about the way we think, which is hard-wired and that's why many of the men here all agree, they don't get it. Women don't think like us, they're told that their way of thinking is the right way and that men are stupid to thin such things, that's why it's a waste of time to explain it.

[bamesjond0069]

@Barbaric i agree but at some point its willful malice. To make sense of women you have to either decide they are morons and incapable of most human functions and treat them like children. OR treat them just as adults completely competent. I think saying they just dont understand is more inline with your thought process which means they are ignorant children. Where as i am holding them accountable with the assumption the are competent adults meaning "they're told that their way of thinking is the right way" doesn't hold water any more than nazis were just following orders does.

[Barbaric]

The large majority of people are like ignorant children, both men and women. Especially today.

[bamesjond0069]

@Barbaric i can see it from that perspective. I just dont think it works in the grand scheme of things. Like you said trying to explain to these girls doesn't work. So to try and stop them the most effective thing is just assume they are competent which means they are "evil" which means you can easily justify treating them as scumbag trash and i think that brings attention to the issue. People just dont care to learn anything but if you say someone is evil they then want to know why you hate them or feel so strongly against them. Being polite just makes them keep thinking they know better than you and basically ignorning everything you say because you're and idiot and they are brilliant.

[Barbaric]

It still won't work. The only people you can reach with these messages are men who have their heads screwed on, who haven't yet been completely emasculated, who are maybe just a little bit confused with all of these bullshit ideas. Everyone else is gonna continue to parrot the things the culture tells them to parrot.

[WowwGirl]

@bamesjond0069
Reasons Masculine Men Are Better ↗

[nerdybutlazy]

@WowwGirl girl get off my page now

[nerdybutlazy]

I didn't see this but dont insult queer men on my posts, Gay men are invalid and amazing people sooo fuck off and also if he was guy why the fuck would he want to have sex with someone else's girlfriend, that's not a flex like you think it is

[bamesjond0069]

Huh? Lol.

[WowwGirl]

@bamesjond0069 what? Queer?

[Nick568]

Dude this isn't man hating. She's basically saying that men shouldn't have to pretend to act like "alpha males" all the time and it's healthy for us to show a healthy range of emotions.

[WowwGirl]

@Nick568 gross

[Nick568]

If you're grossed out by men showing a healthy range of emotions and not pretending to be emotionless rocks then you need to grow up. We're human.

[bamesjond0069]

@Nick568 "pretend to act like "alpha males" all the time and it's healthy for us to show a healthy range of emotions."

Who is pretending? Maybe you. I dont have to pretend. And men crying like a girl is not healthy for a man. Neither is not being aggressive sometimes. Thats how men naturally are.

[WowwGirl]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[WowwGirl]

@bamesjond0069 hot😊

[Nick568]

😂oh yeah look at mr. Alpha over here getting triggered by some post on girlsaskguys saying it's ok for men to show normal human emotions and act however they want to act.

Men who act alpha on the internet are just as cringy and fake as simps and white knights.

[WowwGirl]

@Nick568 being tough aggressive confident in control of himself and not a puss is hot. Crying is not

https://youtu.be/w03E1xLVXa4

[Nick568]

No shit things like confidence and assertiveness are hot. But men should still be allowed to show normal fucking emotions. If you expect your partner to never show any emotion or weakness, then you don't want to date a human male, you want to date a robot.

[bamesjond0069]

@Nick568 "If you expect your partner to never show any emotion or weakness..."

Who says never have emotion or zero weakness? This is all shit you're making up in your head.

Never show emotion in the wrong circumstances. Ie crying at times when you need to not. For example a family member if mine died. I didn't cry and instead said the right things to comfort the borderline hysterical women. Whether i shed a tear in private later nobody would ever know. Personally i dont like crying even by myself but i could have if i wanted to. Thats the point im in control and know better than to just let it out in inappropriate places.

And ofc i have weaknesses, i dont broadcast them proudly and i seek to constantly improve them.

So I don't know why you think men like me are robots just because we have common sense.

[Nick568]

I know you have emotions and weaknesses. I never said you didn't. I don't know how you took that from what I said lol.

Not showing emotions and being too insecure too show emotion in front of loved ones when everyone else is grieving is not "common sense." It's completely unhealthy. There's a big difference between showing normal emotions and being emotionally unstable/being too sensitive.

Crying and showing signs of grief when a family member dies is normal and the fact that you feel as though you couldn't show any emotion at that moment confirms everything I said about people like you. You suppress your emotions to look "alpha," meaning you do in fact pretend to be alpha and aren't naturally alpha as you previously stated.

[bamesjond0069]

@Nick568 by not crying i was able to help people. Betas dont care about helping people. I guess thats the difference. Im a man and feel responsible for others well being. You dont and want to have the right to whine and cry with the masses of people. Im better than that. I've saved numerous peoples lives, instead of crying in those instances i put it aside and jumped up and did something. Thats alpha. But thanks to men like me you can cry while i do what needs to be done. you're welcome.

[Barbaric]

Crying and showing emotions isn't a bad thing, that's a human thing. At the same time, feminists blame toxic masculinity for male depression and suicide and they're obsessed with men crying about everything. Many problems, if you actually want to solve the problem, require you to put your emotions aside and do whatever it is that you need to do. If your default response to difficulty is to fold and cry about it rather than take action, of course you're gonna be depressed and suicidal.

When it comes to struggle, who is more likely to deal with that in an effective way? A strong man or a weak man? The strong one, obviously. These people are obsessed with telling men not to be strong, that it's okay to be weak, and they wonder why so many of them off themselves because they can't deal with life. It's baffling to me that they can't see it.

[cjgsu]

This is exactly my thoughts.

Society are so easily manipulated to fall in line or be shamed into it submission

[nerdybutlazy]

There's a whole theory for it in psychology, called "social compliance". it's amazing what people will agree to

[cjgsu]

I would love to read it because i see it all the time.
I mean think about how crazy it is that a man is expected to stand up to pee or he is not a man.

[nerdybutlazy]

Tbfh wouldn't it just be easier to sit?

[Denial1984]

This is all nice, but I can't count the number of times I have been rejected by women for not being manly enough.

Women overwhelmingly go for men who are:

-tall
-successful
-strong
-handsome
-well-endowed
-tattooed
-wealthy
-sociopathic
-high-status
-confident
-popular

and overwhelmingly reject men who are

-short
-weak
-unemployed
-soft
-emotional
-poor
-low-status
-unconfident

So I'm fucking tired of feminists telling men it's okay to be vulnerable etc. because in real life, you women don't accept that when it comes to dating. You just don't. It turns you off, and that is life, but at least be fucking honest about it instead of giving us this bullshit feminist feel-good nonsense.

[TessCasie]

Unemployed shouldn't be on your list cause if your unemployed, we women think you ain't stable.

[Kittyboy]

Be a sub-male in the male hierarchy > experience rejection from mainstream society that follows social norms > see feminists who take our side, and doing so also tell mainstream girls to stop expecting the impossible and toxic standards of masculinity > shit on them, gets grumpy, keep trying to date in the "normal" world where we're doomed to be rejected.

Can't you see how ridicule that is? SPECIFICALLY feminists, queers and leftists in general will love soft unemployed smol guys, and you're rejecting your self-hatred and unconfidence on them when they come empathize with us and challenge the ideals that women are socialized to desire. You're a good person, broken like every one of us in this dystopian world, you need to work on your unconfidence, seek help probably, not a shame, advance on your path to self-happiness. Even the cuddly mommy domme of your dreams wouldn't solve your issues, and she'd not cope with your reactionary bullshit in the first place. Give your own cheek a good slap when you're ready and give yourself the means to become happy, at your pace but no more self-denial, let your inner queer out instead of blaming your allies, leave the "big world", and you'll find another radical broken weirdo with her own shit on her side of the patriarchy to love you.

[Denial1984]

@Kittyboy Thank you, but these people are not my allies, and they are not exempt from the exact same evolved drives every human runs on - and that we share with many other species as well.

Feminism is for gender what alchemy was for chemistry: a primitive, speculative attempt at understanding a subject, mixed in with various more material aspirations.

Also, TBH, most feminists would make terrible partners for men, because most of them don't just have a particularly poor grasp of men's reality, but also issues and hangups with men in general.

[Denial1984]

@TessCasie The point is that whether women are interested in a man or not to some degree hinges on his career success. This is just not true the other way around in any meaningful way.

So basically, women care about whether a man is successful, and a successful man is far more likely to find a woman who will want to sleep with him and maybe have children together some day.

But at the same time, feminists complain about the patriarchy. Which they themselves reinforce through their partner choices.

[DWornock]

"Society actively promotes to young boys that violence is the only way to get a girl..."

Did you just get time transported from the early 1900s? Otherwise, how could you believe such an obviously false statement? Public schools and mainstream media is promoting the idea that masculinity and every last drop of testosterone must be eradicated.

In the world you were transported from, every schoolboy had a pocketknife. Now, should a 2nd-grade boy bring a pocketknife to school he will be arrested and placed in handcuffs and perhaps even tasered as a dangerous criminal. Even, making a finger gun and saying bang bang or drawing a picture of a gun is punished. And, when a 6-year-old boy kissed a girl on the cheek he was almost expelled. Boys are expected to be quiet, sit still, and act like little girls, or else they drugged into submission.

[ThiccOrc]

You're legit silly

[Kingofkings1992]

@ThiccOrc stop being a simp

[Anonymous]

It's a lovely thought and all, but totally unrealistic in the real world.

Women will say out of one side of their mouths that they think men shouldn't have to be manly because they know that's what they are supposed to say. It's politically correct. But they won't be attracted to those guys, and of course out of the other side if their mouths they will complain about today's men being less masculine.

The simple fact of the matter is that women can be weak and emotional and still be liked and respected by their fellow humans. Men do not have that luxury and never will.

[nerdybutlazy]

the women who complain about it are part of the problem a lot of younger women are learning not to care but you can choose to believe what you want

[Ryfyle]

@nerdybutlazy Is it really a problem that most want to get rid of?

[Opinion Owner]

@nerdybutlazy Women are not learning not to care. They still care and they always will because it's not something they can control. Saying they don't care is a very different thing from actually changing what they are attracted to in men, and that is not going to happen. Women will always be attracted to men who are masculine and behave in masculine ways, and they will always be more attracted to taller men. It's in their DNA, and that does change just because we want it to. It's like asking heterosexual men to stop being attracted only to women. It doesn't work that way.

[Opinion Owner]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Your opinions always seem to be very female biased. Why is that, "dude"?

[Opinion Owner]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Argument? What gave you the impression I was making an argument? I was merely making an observation. As a rule I do not waste time arguing with any of the many GAG users pretending to be the opposite gender. What would be the point in that? lol

[Denial1984]

Your claims are simply wrong. Nature is far more influential than nurture, and the fact of the matter is that women's attraction to certain male traits (including high social status, height, and physical strength) was laid down by evolution over thousands of generations. It's not just going to change because feminists in 2020 think it should. I live in Denmark, quite a "progressive" country, and the women here still go for cavemen guys.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I think my only concern with men these days are the testosterone level now with a lot of micro plastic, soy, the oil we use, pollutions and a lot more. Nothing else. Yes lower testosterone makes men less manly but testosterone is not only to prove his "masculinity" but it's over all men's drive to keep him healthy, strong healthy and confident. This is why I don't recommend glorifying men who lacks testosterones. That's basically like the fat acceptance movement except in this case, it's for men. Painting nails, having long hair, wearing dress or whatever have nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

I am the man I was brought up to be, the elder brother to four younger sisters who I’ve fed, bathed and changed and an uncle to three nieces and two nephews who I’ve fed, bathed and changed and taken for walks, in short a bachelor who has more parenting time than most parents today.

A bachelor that has no interest in marriage as it is no longer a balanced institution, where men are second class coming behind the family dog, and if there’s a divorce
the whole legal system is biased against men.

[nerdybutlazy]

I've never talked about the legal system but okay ummm enjoy that

[rxm_bxl]

Yes I agree. Also this "manliness" that is to be proven is nothing more than a social construct. Men and woman are both social constructs.

[nerdybutlazy]

Agreed tbh