Why are short people discriminated?

[Mustachekitteh]

Better known as heightism.

Women are not as discriminated when it comes to pay and a lot of other things compared to short people. It's insane how much less short people are paid compared to people that are tall. Tall people are nothing special compared to people that are short. So in this case dudes that are short will be paid less and think of as less intelligent compared to taller men. Women who are short will just be looked upon like their a child in the work force. "The truth is, tall people do make more money. They make $789 more per inch per year," says Arianne Cohen, author of "The Tall Book" (Bloomsbury USA, June, 2009). In more than a century, no U. S. president has been below average height (the last one was William McKinley, at 5 feet 7 inches, and he was ridiculed in the press as a "little boy," Judge said).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_discrimination
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/the-financial-perks-of-being-tall/393518/
https://www.livescience.com/5552-taller-people-earn-money.html

Though in a way if taller men get paid more and a lot of women want really tall men. Doesn't that mean they could be gold diggers due to that knowledge?

Updates

+1 y

I got onto this subject with my boyfriend earlier today. He told me he's not ashamed of his height (5'4"), though he's worried about him making less due to it. Which his fears on that is sadly true.
www.psychologytoday.com/.../tall-people-get-paid-more

[redeyemindtricks]

The "money premium" is almost certainly just the effect of confounding variables.
Specifically, short people are statistically more likely to come from poor areas, and/or to have various disabilities -- all things that disadvantage them all their lives, throughout school and into the workforce.

So, all you are seeing here is that... Disadvantaged people stay disadvantaged.
That's hardly a surprise.

This has NOTHING to do with "heightism".
If it did, then you'd expect to see an increasing return for TALL guys -- expect you don't. That effect totally STOPS happening at about 6'0", which is not that far above average for Americans. (Look at the graph in that Atlantic article.)

In other words, for guys who are actually TALL, there is no money advantage whatsoever over guys who are just average height.
And the curve is pulled down for shorter guys because they disproportionately are from the ghetto and/or have other disadvantaging conditions.

In other words, it's bullshit.
(:

As for most WOMEN's preference for taller guys, THAT is a very real thing -- but, again, the internet exaggerates that. (From what I've seen, the best height for a guy, from the standpoint of most women, is about 6'1"-6'2" or so.)

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Oh yeah, and, let's not forget that taller people DIE earlier. A LOT earlier.

In terms of statistical averages, yr boyfriend will live for about 15-20 YEARS longer than a guy who is 6'4".
Yep.
Not a typo.
Fifteen to twenty YEARS.

I wrote about that in my opinion here:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2053988-should-heightism-be-classed-as-discrimination-not-be-tolerated-in

[redeyemindtricks]

For anyone who didn't feel like clicking through the articles, this is the graph that shows that this trend has nothing to do with... uhm... actual tall people:
s32.postimg.org/.../...2016_07_25_a_s_15h19_42.png

[redeyemindtricks]

72 inches = 6'0"

[Octavius]

I'm 6'3 looks like I'm going to be dying in my 50s or early 60s if I'm lucky then...

[redeyemindtricks]

@Octavius That curve is for 1910-1975. The curve has moved up about 8-10 years since then; the two are superimposed in one of the figures for this study (blue vs black curves):
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071721/

So, rn looks like 70ish according to the blue curve

[redeyemindtricks]

Tx for the MH luv <3

[MCheetah]

@redeyemindtricks
This answer is the biggest load of shit regarding height I've ever read on GAG. A least from a woman. Especially this:
"This has NOTHING to do with 'heightism'. If it did, then you'd expect to see an increasing return for TALL guys -- expect you don't. That effect totally STOPS happening at about 6'0. In other words, for guys who are actually TALL, there is no money advantage whatsoever over [short] guys."

Are you fucking for real? What planet are YOU from?

[LouisvilleGirl826]

I don't know... I'm 5'2" and the height thing bums me out :( I've personally never been discriminated against for it (besides the odd "oompa loompa" joke from my 6'0" father), but then I saw a post on here yesterday and some dude said that 5' 2" is wayyy too short and an "ugly height" on a woman because we look childish and immature. Oh the fuck well.

[Relentless_Hippie]

I'm pretty sure that's not a thing. I'm 5'1" and I've never been discriminated against because of my height. I think it's more so that tall people on average probably make more money because perhaps they tend to pursue better careers or put themselves out there more to advance further. Not because there is some agenda against short people.

[Youusername]

It sucks for short men and not women

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername Doesn't matter, people have preferences in partners. That doesn't mean society as a whole actively discriminates against shorter individuals.

[Youusername]

But anyway it sucks for men to be short and it effects self esteem in men if they are short.
And even a 5'1 woman wants a 5'8 man and nothing less

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername How tall are you?

[Youusername]

Lol I am telling it here openly I am ashamed of it

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername Why? Apparently my height is only three inches away from being a midget lol. There's nothing to be ashamed of, if it helps my boyfriend is short too, he's 5'7". And I had a crush on a boy in middle school who was shorter than me. He's super tall now but back then he was a just above my shoulder.

[Youusername]

I am just 5'6 :'(
Sucks when half of the women are same height and others tower over me.
Hate standing in a group of women

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername 5'6" is still tall to me. It might not be actually tall, but from my perspective it's tall. You're just an inch away from my boyfriend and I still need to tip toe to give him kisses and everything.

If a girl won't give you the time of day because of your height, and especially if she's smaller than you then just move on. A lot of my female friends are the same height of my boyfriend and even though they tease him for it (they're friends with him too) I still love him all the same. You've just gotta find the girl that's right for you, because to her you're important not your height.

[Youusername]

See your taler female friends tease and poke fun of him.
I don't know how he is able to hanlde the poke

[Youusername]

How do they tease him?

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername They just joke for like a minute and then it's done with. It's never really often either. He's handsome and an absolute gentleman. When they do it it's all in good fun just as he pokes fun at his friends over various things. He's never faced actual bullying over his height because all around he's a good person and people like him. I've found if you find yourself lacking in one area try to improve in another. Don't let your height get you down and if it does there's other things that could balance it out. Like working out and getting a healthy and sexy body, or being smart, or being really kind.

[Youusername]

Being so short I don't want to bulk up and get muscular because then I will look more short and weird. Add to it I have lot of body hair including chest hair , it sucks because otherwise I am skinny and short like a girl / teen boy... so chest hair looks really odd on me. :/
Overall I am fucked up physically

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername Trust me body hair is such a minuscule issue. While there isn't anything you could do to get taller you can shave, wax, or use Nair body hair for men.

As for working out that's the beauty in being short! You don't need to go over board to look bigger which means moderate exercizing is all you really need. I've got super short guy friends one is like 5'6" his girlfriend is outrageously stunning and he's muscular. It doesn't look weird on him, he actually looks good.

When my boyfriend played football in high school he was a lot more muscular than now but he looked amazing. It was one of the things that made me get a crush on him.

For me I have large breasts but the rest of me has always been skinny. I have 32DD and I've been slim everywhere else so it always looked weird. I've gained weight and I'm only 115 lbs. I still wear extra small in tops and in bottoms I'm merely a size 3. Even though that isn't big at all I look curvy and my body looks good.

[Relentless_Hippie]

You don't need a lot of muscle to look good. Just a little bit.

[Youusername]

5'6 is called as "super short" :/ :o
Haven't heard worse than this.
While using trimmer with zero guard setting should the arms and legs ne also trimmed short alongwith the torso?

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername Oh sorry, I typed the wrong number lol. I meant to write 5'5".

And yeah he's short but that doesn't stop him from being attractive. As for the body hair thing I don't really think girls care about arm and leg hairs, at least I don't. It looks manly, but if it's too much you could always trim it. I think the main concern is hair on torso. Arm hair is fine, leg hair is fine, armpit hair is fine, just the chest hair really that could be trimmed.

[Youusername]

I have started using beard trimmer with zero setting on the chest, stomach and shoulders!
Hate the prickly feeling thogh but can't help it. :(
So 5'5 is super short? Agh ok
How tall is his gf?

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername She's the same height or a little taller than him. She's very beautiful too. And if you don't like those prickly feelings then seriously try using Nair. They have a special formula just for men and it's safe to use on the body like the chest area. That will get rid of the hairs without having to worry about pricklies or razor burn.

[Youusername]

The regrowth is still prickly lol
I have tried it , anyway

[Youusername]

And what does that beautiful taller girl see in that super short guy?

[Youusername]

Maybe it's easy to dominate him physically and emotionally and she likes dominating the man

[Relentless_Hippie]

@Youusername Lol no, she's very sweet and feminine. He wouldn't let a girl treat him like that.

[Kinstrome]

Psychologically, people are drawn to characteristics they associate with success. People are also drawn to others they find attractive, but that's always been known, and few people question that.

Whenever people bemoan problems like this, I sympathize, because nobody deserves to be discriminated against for factors outside of their control. But I caution people against taking "feel good" measures that don't actually help the people who are being discriminated against. (Not that that is what I think you are doing.)

[Mustachekitteh]

I got onto this subject with my boyfriend earlier, he said he's not ashamed of his height. (5'4") Though he's worried that it might cause him to make less even though he's really intelligent and good at what he's studying to do. (computer engineering)

[Kinstrome]

I doubt if he's a computer engineer that will be a problem. It is more likely that public figures, such as mayors or CEOs or actors or speakers, will be the ones disproportionately tall.

The statistics about short people are averaged out, so that not every job gets the exact same cut in pay.

Even where there is a certain difference in pay, there are ways to lower that gap. A book on body language I read--which acknowledged that people do favor tall people for lofty job positions--also showed how short people can work around that by exuding confidence through body language and words. There are other little ways to change things for the better, but I can't think of them offhand. Google isn't working for me right now, but I'm sure a search for "how to appear taller" will yield such results.

[OlderAndWiser]

Teller people earning more money does not mean that short people are getting paid less for doing the same job. It means that taller people, on average, earn more money. Those are two different concepts.

[MCheetah]

@Mustachekitteh
I don't know why we are, but we are. I'm short myself, but fall in the "somewhat short range" (173-182 cm; I'm 180) and I have been given SO MUCH SH*T for being a manlet, little person, dwarf, mediocre, useless, valueless ("average'), etc., that I've given up pursuing women or that reason, among a few others. Who needs THAT in their life? Women sh*tting on me left and right because I'm not tall enough to be a "real man" in their eyes? Because men as short as me are "inferior, worthless, throw-aways," etc. I hated how women treated me for a long time because of all the height discrimination, but now I see I'm better off single because at least I don't have to deal with people stabbing my emotions like that and being cruel just for the sake of it.

[musicbrain5]

Okay, short people might be discriminated against in the workforce. But in society, being tall is generally a disadvantage, especially if you're a woman.

[Youusername]

Oh come on dear. Being a tall woman is a disadvantage? Which planet are you talking about?

[musicbrain5]

@Youusername Planet Earth, dear. Guys not wanting to date you because you're taller than them, or they think tall women are manly. Hard time finding clothes that fit properly, especially pants - having to go plus sized in many things just to get the length. If you have a shoe size bigger than 10 women's it's hard to find nice shoes without paying through the nose for a designer shoe. Not enough leg room in airplanes or public transit seats. Not being seen as feminine or cute... the list goes on.

[Youusername]

Who cares if guys don't want to date you if you are taller? As an individual you feel confident, comfortable, superior and have an appeal and attractiveness!! That's all matters.
As a short man I don't even talk to taller women because they intimidate me and make me feel inferior , forget dating a taller/same height woman... but as a tall woman it's cool and so fun being tall for you.

[musicbrain5]

@Youusername Who cares? Lol. Who cares if women don't want to date you because you're short, even if they're shorter? I'm sure you would care. Dating options for tall women and short guys are limited. You should know that. You're just making the pool smaller by not even bothering to interact with a taller woman. You're the one making yourself feel inferior and intimidated and that's nobody's problem but yours.

[Youusername]

The thing is that I feel inferior, insecure and less compared to a woman my height or taller so obviously I would mind if women reject me for being short.
If I was super tall ( 6'8 and above ) and some woman rejected me because of my height then I wouldn't care at all, because I would be satisfied and confident about myself as a man and proud of my height and built.
So as a tall woman you should be proud and happy being taller than most men and women.
Being short man means being inferior and less man.
I can't stand the inferior and less manly feeling I get standing next to a taller woman. I just can't handle the inferior feeling. Plus i feel jealous of tall women so I can't talk to them no matter how much the need is to talk to her (professionally)

[redeyemindtricks]

It's ironic that you mentioned "paying through the nose for designer shoes".

I wear euro 42 / US 11.5-12, which is the upper end of most European designer shoe lines, and my size ALWAYS goes to outlets... and stays at outlets long enough to go on sale, at outlets.
I'm talking normally paying 20-25% of retail, sometimes even less during big sale weeks.

On average, I'm paying as much for Gucci or Jimmy Choo shoes as my "normal"-sized girlfriends pay for Aldo shoes.

Plus, a little bit of shmoozing with sales associates, and my favorites will mysteriously disappear when the sales start, until they magically "find" them when I call. (:

Do you have designer outlets where you live? I'm not familiar with the Canadian retail situation. If you do, then if you wear euro 41-42 you can make out like a bandit.

[musicbrain5]

@redeyemindtricks There's lots of designer outlets here (brick and mortar stores mostly), but they're expensive because of how low the Canadian dollar generally is compared to the American dollar. I wear Euro 43. There's a lot available, at least online, but the problem is most products are shipped from the US or other countries, as many of these designers don't have warehouses in Canada. So the S&H fee is INSANELY high for most things.

Cost of living here is really high. I hardly have enough money to pay for things that I need as it is, so I'm not going to throw it away on a pair of shoes just so I can show them off or whatever.

Anyways I'm not into designer dress shoes or heels or anything like that. I'm a sneakers and Birks kind of girl.

[redeyemindtricks]

Ah k, tx for the explanation.

Probably for the best, anyways -- my fav brands overwhelmingly stop at 42.
When I was pregnant, I wore compression stockings almost nonstop, did foot muscle exercises religiously, and did as much work as possible lying in bed with my feet up... because I was THAT terrified that pregnancy would size me out of mah beloved designer kicks ahhahah. Hey, all that paranoia worked (same shoe size, 3 deliveries later) LOL

[idiotmanchild]

It's certainly harder, but realistically, not hard to overcome. I'm 5'2'', but was chosen over a bunch of people that are 6' or taller to taken on a highly visible leadership position for a fortune 100 client because of my charisma and smarts. Although dating has been difficult, I've always commanded respect from others much taller than me because of the way I carry myself, it's not stopped me from climbing the leadership ladder very rapidly wherever I've been.

[Zorax]

Why would they be discriminated? I never saw a sign "no short people allowed" or "forbidden for short people".

[Mustachekitteh]

More to do with being paid less just because you're below average height.

[Zorax]

I see, but what if your employer is shorter than you?

[Mustachekitteh]

Then you hope they will pay you by how good you are and your skills.

[Zorax]

That would be fair. I guess tall people look more authoritative, that's why most of the employers pay them more.

[Mustachekitteh]

That is normally the case and thinking the taller you are the more intelligent you are. Which all of that is just stupid.

[Zorax]

I agree, that's probably just some medieval superstition.

[ThatBritishLad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTfDCWGkvv4

[Mustachekitteh]

lel XD

[Anonymous]

Are you kidding me? If anything tall/taller than average people are discriminated.

Nothing in this world is made for tall people.

Look at lawn tools, or house cleaning tools. All far too short for tall people.
The average counter top is too far down for comfortable use.
Plane seats have zero leg room for tall people.
Planes/trains/boats are all too short in their cabins.
Clothing is damn near impossible to buy.
People stare constantly and make rude comments/assumptions

The list goes on and on...

[Mustachekitteh]

Their not again look it up and it's proven.

[Mustachekitteh]

Taller people ARE paid more.

[Mustachekitteh]

www.psychologytoday.com/.../tall-people-get-paid-more

[musicbrain5]

Exactly! Short people don't understand this at all.

[Mustachekitteh]

@musicbrain5 Most would rather have those issues than to end up being paid less just because you're not tall.

[musicbrain5]

Then tell me why short guys are always wishing they were taller or why tall women are always wishing that they were shorter. It has NOTHING to do with salaries or career options and EVERYTHING to do with how they're perceived by society at large. If you're average height or shorter you will not understand this. Just like I don't understand what it's like to be short, so I'm not going to assume shit about them. If short people have a problem with being treated poorly in the workplace, they should take it up with the ACLU or something.

[COCOCHANEL]

you touch on an interesting subject here. that's really unfair. i don't understand it.

[Mesonfielde]

It's odd, but I'm short and I'm paid quite well. Maybe there is more to it than just height?

[helloitsmethere]

In the workforce, we are discriminated against, but socially, it happens to men mostly.

[KittieCat]

I have never heard this nor experienced this.. the more you learn I guess

[Polocrew]

Lol funny how u people obsess with height so much on here while my pledge brothers coming below my chest have no problem pulling lmao

Stay gdis

[clampfan101]

Perhaps a bit off topic, but have you ever seen a show called "The Little Couple"? It's about a family of little people.

[Regulatus]

No such discrimination exists. Except from women, who refuse to date short guys.

[Mustachekitteh]

It does exist and has been proven better than with anyone one else and it is 100% a fact so look it up.

[Table20]

@soaddicted i tease her because she's such a midget.. but she's my midget;) :*

[SoAddicted]

Holy fuck im going to kill you

[Table20]

@SoAddicted you'll try, but you're too short :P

[SoAddicted]

Haha I hate you. Next time we hang out you're gonna regret it

[Table20]

@SoAddicted lmao should i be scared?

[SoAddicted]

Yes you should.

[Anonymous]

It's happens but I don't think that's common at all

[colourz]

because tall people have pathetic egos that need to be protected and wouldn't last a day in a short persons shoes

[Dred1614]

I've never heard of this.

[legalboxers]

Im 5'3. Im hated on. It is what it is. I dont care

[bcromartie]

Perceived genetics.

[Anonymous]

I'm actually not