My opinion: I'm strongly against a ban and believes in freedom of choice.


The answer to this is very simple and easy. Because you can't ban or control what people think. That's why the US is great... because of the Constitution and Bill of RIghts. You can believe what you want even if those beliefs aren't popular with the majority of other people. That is an incredible right that we are afforded in the first amendment that I think many take for granted because that concept does not exist in some parts of the world.
I am agnostic which basically means i only believe in what can be proven my empirical scientific evidence. So while not really being an atheist, I have no religion. Other people are atheist and insist no god exists. While others have faith in one of the many religions in the world, or perhap live according to their own personal faith. I am just so thankful that we live in such a wonderful country where we can believe as we wish. Somebody may believe in something that I find abhorrent, but I would defend their right to believe it with every last fibre of my being.
I do not think it should be banned; and there is absolutely no way to enforce a ban on it anyway. However I do think that religion should not exist.
Religion has been a main cause in almost every war in history, including all of the recent terrorism. The amount of people who have died due to religion and religious beliefs are immeasurable. The only good things about religion is that it has brought some amazing architecture and art.
I can't tell if this is serious or Poe's Law.
No I'm serious. I've never believed in religion, despite my parents trying to bring me up as Catholic.
Because of this, maybe I'm missing some of the feelings of hope and love that people claim they get from religion, but all i know is that if someone was to have a terrible car crash and lose a lot of blood, it's certainly not God who revives you in hospital, it's the doctors and nurses.
Joseph Stalin, Pot Pot and Mao for instance had a "communistic" regime and dictatorships, but they wasn't very religious. Some "communists" thought religion was unnecessary and wasn't believers themselves. So a lot of things would still be there without religions.
That's why I said almost 😊
I’m talking about your ridiculous claim that religion is behind all or most conflicts. Seriously, what? Where the Hell did you get that claim from?
Modern day terrorism is mostly based on religious "jihad"... the Rwandan genocide is based on their religious beliefs between the Hutu and the Tutsi tribes. Although not a war, the ww2 holocaust was religiously motivated. Even just the other week, the Burmese massacres where a lot of Rohingya Muslims were killed whilst trying to flee to Bangladesh.
In history further in the past, many wars between protestants and Roman Catholics in Europe, as well as the Spanish conquistadors and the British Empire killing many American natives and South American natives for refusing to "convert" to Christianity
LMAO no
-Yes, modern terrorism is based on Islam. What relevance does one death cult have on religion as a whole?
-Hutu and Tutsi tribes were fighting over ethnic supremacy, because the Hutsis though they were smarter due to some pseudoscience. Religion played little to no role.
-The Rohingya Muslims were killed because they were invaders and terrorists, not due to some sort of religious supremacy.
-The Holocaust religiously motivated? What? The Holocaust was enacted due to inability to deport the Jews to another reservation or country, mostly due to the war with Russia. Thus, the final solution was enacted to wipe-out the perceived Jewish threat. And, as you should know, Hitler's grievance with the Jews were racial and ethnic, not religious. This had nothing to do with religion.
-How do various 15th and 16th-century wars caused by Protestants cast a blight on all of religion? The Catholic Church alone saved likely ten-times as many lives as they took away.
And at least the Protestants ended slavery worldwide in a religiously-motivated crusade.
-There was never a forced conversion policy instituted in the Spanish Empire. The Natives, my ancestors, voluntarily left the religion of the Mexica because it was terribly tyrannical and required a steady stream of human sacrifices to keep the Sun god alive. Not to mention the Apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe was the critical factor in converting the natives, not Spanish enforcement. Not even the British practiced a forced conversion policy.
Please learn some actual history before laughably embarrassing yourself online.
No.
I'm an Atheist, and believe religion to absolutely be a negative force in the world.
However, a ban, not only would be impossible to enforce, but also wouldn't solve the problem even if you could stop the practices of religion.
Bad ideas are defeated in the court of public discourse. Outlawing thoughts doesn't make them go away, it just forces them underground. Christians would still be Christians and believe stupid shit, they'd just be closeted about it. Just like how persecuting gays doesn't make gay people become straight.
Out of all the religions to pick from you decided to attack Christians. Why? Let me guess. You know deep down the Bible is legit, right? Lol
In Europe we 've had religious freedom since recently. Now countries start to discuss banning women from covering up their face or hair, or from wearing any religious symbols, such as crosses, in public. I don't think a government should have the right to suppress religious freedom. And I'm a christian, but I 'll support that all the other religions have the right to have their temples, to practice their religion , to follow their ideology and to express themselves, such as giving speeches, or publishing books, and get dressed as they see fit.
Its funny you use the word supress since thats what the head covering is a symbol of... supression. you dont know what you're talking about.
@Jennalynnxoxo Covering your head isn't a symbol of suppression for a muslim woman, but a part of her religion. And since we're talking about european cities, where she's not pressured to cover her head, it's ultimately her choice. It can be a symbol of oppression if she's being forced to wear it, against her will, and I'm sure many are, if they like in countries such as Saudi Arabia
I never said she couldnt wear it. But i dont think she should be forced to wear it either...
People will believe what they want regardless of whether their beliefs are "banned" or not. Religion should be a personal choice that isn't imposed on anyone else. That should also be the case with people who choose NOT to participate in religion. People who are not religious do not have the right to impose their anti-religious beliefs on anyone else. As long as everyone recognizes that they don't have the right to control what anyone else believes, neither religion nor atheism are harmful to others.
No. Those who think extremism would stop just because you ban religion don't really understand extremists in the first place. They're just using religion as a scapegoat. They could work without it. Just like how banning alcohol probably wouldn't stop people from making their own and selling it on black markets. And how people use drugs even though they're illegal. Most religious people aren't extremists so I don't see why they should be punished for what a minority does.
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I voted “yes” by accident, sorry Norway. I believe in the exact opposite. I believe religion SHOULDN’T be banned because the majority of the people in each, depending on the religion, act and live in a morally good way. This has been my experience when I used to go to church with my mom and brothers every Sunday and when I was a more devote catholic. I’m not religious anymore or even nearly to the same degree, religion is not even a thought to me, BUT religion does have many benefits and downfalls, and it’s ultimately up to the individual to practice whatever they want if it doesn’t also harm other people’s rights or beliefs
The only reason I don't plan on becoming worse than Hitler is because I don't know what comes after death. If there is a punishment for doing such thing, I don't wanna receive it. I just want a peaceful life, eternal peaceful life and for that I hope. If we eternally die what is the meaning of life, if one's conscience disappears, the whole world for him/her ends, nothing exists anymore. At least by challenging himself or herself on becoming something that is hardest to achieve which is the death of entire planet, would be at least of a fun.
No, it shouldn't.
Regardless of what I personally think about religions and religious people, it is a fundamental right in a democratic and enlightened nation.
We have fought for centuries over absolute rights and absolute wrongs, whose opinion is correct and whose opinion isn't. We have killed tens of millions of people. Let us just remember this now, in 2017, precisely 500 after the reformation began.
It's enough. We are all adults. Let people believe what they want to believe as long as they don't indoctrinate others. Yes, religious people are most certainly incorrect and their gods are most certainly figments of their imagination - but it must not be illegal to hold an incorrect opinion or belief.
Nope, it’s hypocritical. What would stop the people who want to ban religion from doing the same thing radicals do to atheists in their countries? They have no moral right to control what a person chooses to believe. As the famous saying says “treat others how you wish to be treated”.
What justification would there be to ban religion?
Religion causes a lot of conflict and war, it's a stupid waste of time and prevents human progress in technology and science. So yeah there is a little justification to banning it.
@masonoram56 You obviously have no religious beliefs and apparently need to feel that you are superior to others for rejecting those beliefs. Your perspective is merely your perspective and your absolute certitude that you are correct is not the equivalent of proof that you are, in fact, correct.
Yeah, your point
@masonoram56 You, of course, failed to mention the enormous good works that are done by organized religions. The bad works which are done are the result of horrible egos which are using religion is a pretense for moral justification; if religion was not available, that would not make those people become pacifists; they would merely find another excuse to wage war. Also, I understand that some religious beliefs are inconsistent with some scientific theories; could you please explain how religious beliefs actually impede science?
By distracting people from science with a bunch of made up garbage
@masonoram56 Can you name one person who had good scientific potential who failed to realize that potential because of religion?
Yes, anyone that wastes their time with religion
@masonoram56 So everyone who attends church is "supposed to" devote their life to science?
No, they're just wasting. their. lives not doing. Other things such as science
@masonoram56 So you can't actually name one person who was dissuaded from pursuing science because of their religious beliefs. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Oh my god
@masonoram56 I thought you were against religion? :) :) :)
I think a ban would neither work nor would it be just. However, I would make a few adjustments. 1: All religious communities must make their believe system open to change and must agree that a nations law is always above religious law.
2: I would set a minimum age for religion. I think we are harming children by letting highly trained propagandists meddle with our children's brain. They should be able to make a conscious decision when they are ready.
3: All institutions must be open. We as a society have a duty to make sure that there are no Isis fighter and no kkk members recruited next door.
4: throw the churches out of ethic commities. They don't represent the will of the people anymore (at least where I live) and aren't even elected.
There might be other things left, but those are the view things that would make me tolerate religion.
The main thing that religion provides to people is a common moral ground and a framework for social behavior. Most religions put a lot of emphasis on personal relationships and how to be a decent person, and I think in civilized societies, such frameworks are important. Even if you're not religious, if you grew up in a certain place, you are most likely influenced heavily by the religious traditions that shaped that country.
It also gives people who are sick hope. It's a refuge for people whose loved ones passed away and who need to believe that they're in a better place.
Churches also tend to be really engaged with youths and providing social services to youth and spaces to meet and exchange in person for whole communities, something that's becoming less and less common in Western society. Public assembly is an important part of democracy.
I'm not religious, but in general I just think the good aspects outweigh the negative ones by a lot.
The problem with this is that for so many "non-religious" people, various political ideologies *have become* a religion for them.
Moreover, in the rejection of tradional faiths, what sort of "new faiths" arise? The proliferation of demented cults of various sorts has come with the rejection of traditional Judeo-Christian religion in modern Western societies, and in Japan, with the decline of Buddhism and Shintoism came the rise of demented cults like Aum Shinrikyo.
As someone said, "When people stop believing in (the Judeo-Christian) God, the danger is not that they will believe in nothing else, but that they will believe in anything else..."
Vote no because:
1) most religions aren't insidious by nature (except for one, which isn't technically a religion to begin with...)
2) religion provides structure and certainty for a lot of people
3) even with religion out of the way, people will create excuses for war, violence, etc.
Which one are you talking about when saying "except for one"?
I don't like religion. It's just mind virus. It's lock your mind. Its not good. There (most likely) aren't any gods. Besides, how believein in 1 god is too much different from not believeing in none of them? Since humanity created about 3000 gods. It's all just work of fiction. Abused by different people. Even today.
And its still fascinating, that people, in digital age, still believe in bronze age (mostly) fairytales. Harry Potter is BS, but Allah or Jehovah or whatever isn't? Book like book. No truth there.
With that being said, I would not ban anything. Freedom (in broad definition) is more important. So basically: I will not limit you, and you will not limit me. Talking to religious people. That's why nobody should govern my life based on religious beliefs. Saudis, for example.
Politically no, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
But, talking generally, why not.
I'd give an example to support my answer.
Suppose, we all visit a religious place, and we donate money or some items in some way or the other. Right? (Atleast in Hindus we do it can't say about others)
And, we do it unconditionally without any, expectation in return. But, if, we are in need of money, say some unexpected operation, so, will the religious place help us? No, not a chance in hell.
So, what's the use of a religion when, it can't help it's own people in need although, they have done whatever they could unconditionally?
I dont agree on bans but regulations. Im an unreligious muslim. My people are kind. They belive in humanity and freedom. My parents are religious but don't put much pressure on me. Islamic values are good, but so are christanic (sry spelling) jews and humans. However they are wrong in things. I belive in LGBT. Islam and christianity doesn't. I belive in sex and relationships. Islam doesn't (pre marige) but Islam quran said you are judged by your intentions, and are free to do anything you want as long as you don't hurt others.
Sorry for going off topic but story short i belive in freedom of religion but punishment of hurtful practice ( hating LGBT for instance)
No. People have the right to their beliefs. And some people, like my mom, need it to get through hard times, and some people want something to look forward to after death. This is completely a take away from their rights. I myself am an atheist, but most of the people in my life are religious.
I also believe in freedom! Religion came to people at a time when people had no hope, and religion gave them exactly that. HOPE so I think people should have religion.
Personally I am not affiliated with any religion, but I was once a muslim then I converted to christian, and I am now I believe in God.
But for whoever needs it, I feel they should go with it.
What needs to be banned is the hypocracy and intolerance that some religions have. It would be difficult to achieve, though, as it is almost impossible to legislate on peoples thoughts. Religion should be kept in one's personal life, at home or in their place of worship. It should not spill over into public life, and certainly should not be used to try and convert others.
Thank you for MHO!
I don't think religion should be banned exactly... I personally don't have a religion, I don't not believe, but I can't say I do.
I don't care what religion you follow, or your beliefs, but I appreciate it if you don't force me to believe in the same thing.
What you do you think it's up to you, if it makes you happy, or helps you then that's great.
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Absolutely not. Why would I support the banning of my own worldview? Besides, at the end of the day who decides what a religion is? You don't need to have a literal God to be religious. Everyone has a God even if that God is sex, money or a political ideology. Any breach on freedom of speech is going to come around and bite every last one of us in the ass eventually.
Everything bad can not be pinned on one thing entirely. People tend to treat religioun as an absolute lie when asking this, but can you really acually imperialisticly or by method of reductionism disprove it? I know science works with proof not disprove, but that is why it is religious not scientific. And a few theories are made theories by the lack of evidence against it.
No. Religion, believe it or not, is a source of fear in many people. While it makes them do some pretty weird things, it also stops many from going crazy.
I have heard this a lot from people who stop themselve from doing something foolish by saying- God will punish him/her. I don't have to anything.
Faith is important. It keeps the less intellectual, basically the majority, under check. For those who are highly intellectual, they become Abu Bakr-al Baghdadi. And these are the people who make religion bad.
It should definitely not be banned. Everyone has the right to practice religion of they choose. It shouldn't be subsidized or encouraged though.
I'd support removing tax exemption for religions and a complete separation of all religious influence from education and government.
As much as I hate religion, I'm gonna' have to say "no" to this one. I say no because everyone has a right to explain our existence and purpose in whatever way they see fit. At least until we can factually determine and explain how we came to be and what purpose we serve.
Besides that, a ban on religion would probably lead to the most violent uprisings the world has ever known.
It would also lead to severely limited freedom of religion once the smoke settled.
Not a good idea at all.
Unfortunately, you really can't ban religion. It's been tried in other countries and people always find a way to practice their religion in secrecy. Bans never work.
Hopefully one day we will outgrow our need for silly mythologies. Religion has caused more death and sadness than any other human foible. We'll all be much happier when we leave such foolishness behind.
No, i am a strong advocate for freedom and in fighting for it i must allow idea's even if i where to oppose them. So regardless of my views of religion the answer would always be that we should not ban religion.
However i would be fine banning aspects of religion that go against laws in a country when these aspects limit the freedom of those who are in it. For example if the law describes you can do X but the religion says you may not the individual should have the freedom to do X.
Some would say that religion would incite hate and violence (which it has), but we shouldn't act like there are no peaceful ones. I don't recall ever seeing Jehovah's Witnesses blowing themselves up to destroy "infidels" in the name of their god.
Besides, one of the first freedoms given to us was that of religion. Take that away from them, what would that make us?
I feel the same way about it. as you do. I really don't care, believe in whatever you want to believe in is right for you since everybody is different anyway. Even if there were laws banning it, they still can't control how other people feel about things or what they want to believe in anyway so what's the point?
If it means unity under one religion, like a universal religion which ditches all current beliefs and is dedicated to the power behind the creation of life in a scientific manner then yes religion should be banned.
Why?
Because it's something people have no idea about but still believe it. I'd like to live in a world where these beliefs make sense. I can understand a belief in a power and calling that power God, because there has to be a reason why everything exists. Nothing just came out of nowhere, like everything, the universe must be having an origin right? Sometimes the simplest beliefs are the best. I believe in a God, not in stories made about them by humans.
HAH! Last time religion was banned... millions died. colodetoxs.net/.../...any-jews-did-hitler-kill.jpg
I dont think so
Because religion played an integral role to society to form communities and culture. Almost like a glue that brought regions of people together and and kept them loyal to one another
It might cause some issues today but maybe we wouldn't be as civilized without religion to begin with
It's a toss up and hard to really say
I think religion is only negative. It is wors then drugs. We should fight against religion but not to ban it, we should fight religion with arguments. Only when religion tries to impose it self by violence (and sadly that often hapoen) then it is rightfull to oppose religion by force...
shouldn't be "banned'
cause people need to be more disciplined.
thats what makes a good society.
and nobody seems to care about humanity anymore
at least if people are god fearing or religious, they might harm others less with their actions and words.
of course it shouldn't be mandatory.
Religion, a very widespread controversy and a wide spread cause of pain and suffering as well as death throughout the centuries. I am rather indifferent to a ban of Religion, It's going to lead to the same issues whether there is a ban on it or not. People will still do what they do, no matter what one does to stop it
I wouldn't ban the religion since I think people should have the right to choose.
It's just that religion has such a big impact on everyday life which shouldn't be like that, I think religion or any kind of spirituality is something deeply personal.
Religion itself isn't bad, but when people want to impose their own religion to everyone else, and any kind of extremism, that's when we have a problem.
I'm an atheist, and I find religion and religious people, annoying as hell. Nevertheless, religion should not be banned both because of the solace it offers it's believers, and because of the guidance it provides to the sociopaths who happen to be brought up in it.
However, religions should not get a free ride. All tax deductions and tax free laws relating to religion should be scrapped.
First we have to stop believing the lies, and look at the truth. Everyone's religeon should be a private and personal choice.
No religeon should expect or demand respect outside of the place one calls "church". No one should try to convert anyone, let them decide on their own. Its their salvation not yours. Advertise personally, but I am not about to believe just anything, and limit my personal choice of believing whatever I want.
I'm against ban. There are several reasons for it for which I think religion isn't a bad think for us. I wrote a Take about recently. Check it out.
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i don't see any point in banning any religion. infact I think anyones thinking should not be imposed on other. means if i am a buddhist and you are christian you don't need to impose your rules in me and vice versa. everyone should have religious freedom. your religion should not harm me or other life form at the same time there should be religious equality. i will follow mine in mine house , and you follow in your house only.
Religion seems very harmful to me. Every religion is very "cultish" (at least from the ones I practiced/know of) and profit off the ignorance of others. They still cause the persicution of others and promote hierarchial structures that require that a group of humans are lesser than those of the religion. Bassicly it creates arrogant ass wads.
Religion is just a bunch of stories which created violence and death from mental people who believe that if they do a message from god (inner mental voice ) they'll go to heaven or somet. With religion they will never be peace without religion there will be peace.
NO!
I am very anti-religion ( more cynical about it) after growing up a devout Catholic and being shattered on the controversy over the rampant paedophilia in the Catholic church. that was even worse, covered up.
But it is a bastion of freedom of choice which i am passionate about
To those voting yes, where do you think religions come from?
To ban them would be like banning people from painting, or writing poetry.
They all manifest from people trying to explain the world as an environment to survive in, to understand and respect.
Religion. Is a believe and there are thousands if not millions of gods. And everyone believe they're right. They all can be right. So god can't be proven just like the Easter bunny. So it should be something to keep at home. God has created more problems then he solves. Plus all the wars.
I’m agnostic & I believe people should be allowed to believe in whatever they truly believe in. I don’t agree with extremely religious thus dangerous people, but for the people who cause no harm, I say let them be.
Why is this even a question? Is there a movement to ban religion somewhere in the world?
I asked this question to just create a discussion.
It’s a rudiculous discussion. When freedoms are taken away nobody wins.
No, it should not be banned. People should have free will of choice, even if it's a bad one. If people want to make a bad choice despite being warned or given advice about such choice, then that's their decision. Just make sure that it doesn't harm anyone else (and them too if they are suicidal).
I don’t think it should be banned, because that would make us no better than countries who have theocratic leaders. I choose not to take part in organized religion, and that’s my choice in America because we have Freedom of Religion. That’s my opinion.
No, because it wouldn't do any good, and ideas in general shouldn't be banned.
Ban religion, and they'll just take it underground, but now with a victim narrative to help. And no one able to publicly challenge the bad ideas.
Even if you could somehow ban religion effectively, they would just find some other stupid thing to believe.
We should respect both freedom of religion but also freedom from religion. If religious people keep forcing other to follow their religion steps should be taken to stop them from doing so, people have the freedom to be free from religious people pushing their religion. Equally so ideologies like egalitarianism and LGBT sexuality beliefs should never be forced onto people, which now unfortunately the case.
Same reason as you. People should be able to believe any religion or no religion they want and still be united without interfering in one another's beliefs.
Nope. I don't really approve of it and it's not something that's for me but it's a personal choice and it doesn't necessarily hurt anyone. A ban would be pretty fucked up, people should be free to choose shit like that for themselves.
You see if we ban it, that'll cause the same amount of chaos that we have no with religion. Might as well leave it as it is and let people have the freedom to choose their beliefs.
hahaha dunno I feel like it would be hard to ban something like religion tho, I dont think they could stop religion based terrorism, if we can't even stop it now, hows banning it gunna help
@arshlx how exactly do you think it would stop? Do you really think it would stop terrorists? "Ah shit they banned our religion... sorry boys! Time to pack up and start living a normal life!"
Terrorist organizations are already established, to the point where they don't even need a religion to function anymore.
It depends on what capacity you're talking about. They shouldn't teach religion in school but people should be allowed to believe in whatever they want.
As long schools aren't trying to convert anyone, I think it's okay to mention religion in school for educational purposes. Then the pupils get to know what the religions is about.
I thibk religion causes a lot of problems, Israel-Palestine, gay marriage, white supremacy... etc.
But it does give people hope and meaning for the future. I feel like religion is a nessicity for life for some people.
So, i wouldn't ban it, I'd just regulate it in a way that forces it to conform to modern western ideas (like gay marriage) and to be more inclusive to other religions.
no. ⛔
it would just as extreme as forcing some religion to people who don't like it.
what should be removed is the teachings that telling you that you're allowed to treat others bad.
Yes.
I mean there are definitely upsides such as a forced set of philosophical doctrines that makes for an easier populace control mechanism and a reduction in things to argue about.
It wouldn't really happen that way but ultimately this question is kind of a stupid one so meh.
Freedom to practice one's faith is a fundamental right. However, there needs to be reasonable boundaries. Hijacking the political process to pass religious-based laws is not a legitimate exercise of that right. Nor is any one religion entitled to special treatment in the public sphere.
You cannot legislate what people believe, only perhaps the practise of it. But most religions on the whole influence people to behave in ways that are not in conflict with laws in any reasonably organised nation state
You can't really separate them. Religion/lack of informs people's opinions on how to best live which informs everything they do or do not do. You should be more specific about where or how it would be banned.
No, because to do so would violate our ideals about freedom. You have the right to believe anything you want about anything you want, however, acting on those beliefs in a way that violates someone else's rights should be and is illegal.
Yes, i think religion will lead to a big war in this world. Ge ready for world war 4 if you dont ban religion
For ww4 to happen first ww3 must happen first loool
All of you know what i mean.
Looooool...
@topi_tonge, aren't you religious and believes in Hinduism, gods etc?
Hahaha
I believe in God, but I M not religious.
I believe in God { not Gods}
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*"Hinduism is NOT a Religion, it is the practice of spirituality by elevating Human Consciousness in the personal quest for truth. Its a way of Life (Sanatana Dharma- Eternal Law that governs all Action) Hinduism is a Spiritual Code- Know Thyself is the Quintessence..."*
Believing in God, deities, afterlives etc. is religion and you're technically practicing religion indirectly. You don't need to go to the temple, church, synagogue or whatever to practice it. Believing is enough.
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In that case , you should think before asking. Practically, religion cannot be banned.
When you talk about banning religion,. I mean that I should not be asked about religion while taking admission in any college, there should be no conversions, I should be able to worship God in the name of Allah or God without converting, and many such things.
Religion shouldn't be banned, as long as it isn't used as a means to harm or condemn others (looking at you, Christianity, Islam, and Satanism).
If you're going to have a religion, keep it to yourself.
And PLEASE don't kill in the name of (insert deity name here).
People should be able to believe whatever they want. The problem is when those beliefs get in the way of other things like people's rights and education
100% agree.
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