@TheUglyMonk No, we should not. But if it involves something that's targets an entire group of people in an ignorant light that's also backed by racism, then I think we should. I'm not too sure about this though because a lot of ancient or older practices have different meaning behind them rather than racism.
I wouldn't be surprised though since a lot of Dutch people are close minded when it comes to black people.
@TheUglyMonk It's not a false statement. A lot of Europeans have negative ideas of black people and don't even try to deny it either. I'm not saying they're racist, because they're not but that doesn't mean they don't have a negative idea. Same with a lot of foreigners. They have negative concepts of black people. A lot of it has to due with the past and also how black people are portrayed in on television and what the see in the American media.
@TheUglyMonk I have not, but I have met plenty of Europeans as well as listened to a lot of their views on black people. Like I said, they're not racists views. They're just misguided or close minded.
God no. If your offended don't listen, don't go to that event, don't surround yourself. I'm not going to conform just because you want to cry in public and say I'm offended
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If your tradition is human sacrifice then yeah, drop it. If it's just trivial stuff like black peter then they can suck it up because they're not being harmed in any way.
Traditions is what defines us, I don't want to lose my identity because someone doesn't like it. If someone doesn't like me, he should look for other people, I won't change myself for him.
Santa clause is inspired by a real person; Saint Nicholas. He had Greek parents and lived some parts of his life in Turkey. So in other words he was a South-European and he was most likely dark himself. But because of his old age, he had a white beard and hair. Some says black Pete was an moor in Spain from Africa, but other says it's also a possibility he was a South-European as well, but is black in his face because of the soot from the chimney. There's actually many South-European with black curly hair. Curly hair isn't only an African thing.
@curiousnorway St Nicholas or Agios Nicholaos was a devout Catholic bishop: at the council of Mikea in 325 he's said to have attacked physically bishop Arianus of Alexandria because of Arianus' heretic views.
A. I got ancestry from that region and thata fucked up. B. Romans only used crucifixion on pirates, enemies of the state or on occasion slaves who really fucked up, like as in murder
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Should we have offensive traditions just because a few people enjoy it?
Should we get rid of everything that offends someone?
@TheUglyMonk No, we should not. But if it involves something that's targets an entire group of people in an ignorant light that's also backed by racism, then I think we should. I'm not too sure about this though because a lot of ancient or older practices have different meaning behind them rather than racism.
I wouldn't be surprised though since a lot of Dutch people are close minded when it comes to black people.
"I wouldn't be surprised though since a lot of Dutch people are close minded when it comes to black people."
No words.
@TheUglyMonk It's not a false statement. A lot of Europeans have negative ideas of black people and don't even try to deny it either. I'm not saying they're racist, because they're not but that doesn't mean they don't have a negative idea. Same with a lot of foreigners. They have negative concepts of black people. A lot of it has to due with the past and also how black people are portrayed in on television and what the see in the American media.
Have you personally lived in the Netherlands and/or any other European country?
@TheUglyMonk I have not, but I have met plenty of Europeans as well as listened to a lot of their views on black people. Like I said, they're not racists views. They're just misguided or close minded.
Good question!
Anyone can be offended by anyone, so no, we shouldn't drop our traditions
I think people are way too sensitive to these things nowadays.
God no. If your offended don't listen, don't go to that event, don't surround yourself. I'm not going to conform just because you want to cry in public and say I'm offended
If your tradition is human sacrifice then yeah, drop it. If it's just trivial stuff like black peter then they can suck it up because they're not being harmed in any way.
Lol "black peter" I find that level of racism absolutely comical.
Yes, that particular tradition should be forgotten. Or just call him Peter.
"Or just call him Peter." - That's exactly what I was thinking, you're absolutely right!
@menina I know right
Traditions is what defines us, I don't want to lose my identity because someone doesn't like it. If someone doesn't like me, he should look for other people, I won't change myself for him.
No I don't think we should I know I certainly will not.
If they're so offensive, GET THE FUCK OUT OF ME COUNTRY, AND GO BACK TO YOUR OWN!
Lol that’s weird in America yes this would be a problem neither would I want a black Saint Nick sneaking in my chimney after hours so yeah...
You should give up your offensive traditions. I don't have any offensive traditions, so I'll keep mine.
what are the offensive traditions?
@WTFliberals I don't know, I was talking hypothetically. Whacking Day?
Only if the intention is to be offensive, if not screw everyone else.
No, especially since it won't make them stop killing us.
You shouldn’t care about what offends other people.
If people find this offensive they should leave the netherlands/belgium.
I'm up for it as long as everyone gives up their bullshit together
Why couldn't there be a black Santa and white servants?
there's a whole backstory that explains it
@AGuyWhoKnowsALittle Yes, slavery was a tradition.
While the black face is questionable. Black Peter isn't a slave
Or maybe he was. The secret is who cares
The more we suppress this history and cause the divide between creeds of people the more hatred will spread
@AGuyWhoKnowsALittle it's about NOT teaching kids "blacks=slaves" *before* they learn history.
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Or maybe those kids see him as santas friend as he is more often depicted now
Oh so Black people can't have white friends. Lets teach them that instead
Santa clause is inspired by a real person; Saint Nicholas. He had Greek parents and lived some parts of his life in Turkey. So in other words he was a South-European and he was most likely dark himself. But because of his old age, he had a white beard and hair. Some says black Pete was an moor in Spain from Africa, but other says it's also a possibility he was a South-European as well, but is black in his face because of the soot from the chimney. There's actually many South-European with black curly hair. Curly hair isn't only an African thing.
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@curiousnorway St Nicholas or Agios Nicholaos was a devout Catholic bishop: at the council of Mikea in 325 he's said to have attacked physically bishop Arianus of Alexandria because of Arianus' heretic views.
*typo Council of Nikea in 325 CE
I respect other's traditions and tell people who get offended that I will put them on the crucifix just like my Roman ancestors did.
A. I got ancestry from that region and thata fucked up.
B. Romans only used crucifixion on pirates, enemies of the state or on occasion slaves who really fucked up, like as in murder
If he really was black, instead of painting someone's face, maybe get someone who is black to represent the character.
Why doesn't everyone thinks like you? - Your idea makes all sense and it wouldn't be offensive.
There should be more people like you. :)
I didn't know that Santa had a slave. That is so cool.