There will never be equality because of stuff like this. I don't really think thats bad tho, as long as all people have the same opportunity to do stuff they want to do
Every feminist I've dated (and that's more than a few) insisted on "going Dutch", i, e,, splitting the bill on the first date. What happened afterwards varied, also in a relationship.
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I think it's weird to "expect" guys to pay for a date anyways. I feel like it isn't fair to him, so sometimes I pay, sometimes he pays.
I don't think you can have an expectation of it, but I also don't think that's mutually exclusive with the idea of accepting it if your partner wants to take you out and pay for it.
It’s not about the person doing or paying everything because they’re a feminist, but only if they want to, then they should be able to make that choice without being shamed.
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Whoever asks the other person out should pay. If the guy asks the girl out, he should pay. If the girl asks the guy, she should pay If they make plans together they should split the bill or just each pay for their own meal.
The problem is that women always is waiting for the man to ask them out. They could wait forever, they could be twisting inside their little souls but they won't ask a man out.
You see, we have been studying your behaviour very thoroughly, you little twisted minds.
Women rarely initiate any approach yet alone ask for a date. So it's a win win for you women, and a lose lose for us men. You know your tricks, and we know your tricks.
How many men out of all your dates have you asked? How many times have you paid? I seriously doubt it's half. I bet less then 20% of women before 40 pay anything for their first dates.
If they are insisting it's their deal, but are they really twisting your arm? I went out with a few girls that demanded to pay their own way right from the start and they were hot. I love women who set the ton of how they will be treated. If someone told me I couldn't pay I'd be insulted, why wouldn't a women?
@mistixs Never said they didn't, I was just telling him that, he made it seem like men only have to pay for the date, and not spend any money and/or time on their appearance .
@EvilPimp I was just joking. Using that BellePepper girls logic. Look at that stupid video she posted. She thinks just because women dress up, get their hair done, wear makeup and things like that then the man somehow owes her something and should pay for the date. what kind of dumb logic is that?
I work out like crazy, spend 10's of thousands on my degree, buy more expensive food so I have a 6 pack year round. We all have expenses, each of us should pay our share on the date.
Men eat more is the only relevant argument a women could make for paying less than 50%
Feminists do not date " The Enemy " anyway , so this is a non issue. Why would they date the creatures they hate !! ... Bring on the pink downvotes , feminism has been completely hijacked by the misandrists !!
if I can expect her to pay if she asks then she can expect me to pay if I ask. It’s not even about gender. It’s basic etiquette.
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Yes, you can be. Men still have a higher lifetime earning potential, and often show they value someone by spending money. We don't live in a post sexist society yet. And individuals have their own reasons.
Men have a higher earnings because of life choices - not because of sexism. And actually they have found single women typically earn more than single men.
Please do then - I have yet to see good evidence and even the most feminist of economics teachers in my school admit that the "pay gap" is mostly down to life choices and that women earn more before marriage.
The issue saying that the feminist girl should pay is that for a lot of places this is becoming the opposite because in many places this is the opposite because the business owners are scared of losing customers thinking they are sexist. So because of this more men now are unemployed, but they can't complain because "men have a bad history".
Here's a report from the recent past. Clearly the gap has narrowed over the years, but I present it as a way for anyone to understand how data is analyzed, and the kinds of factors studied to determine there is a wager gap: faculty.uml.edu/.../...n%20Gender%20Wage%20Gap.pdf
In the aauw condensed version, it says clearly that men and women choose different paths because of various different reasons, norms being one example. and that men tend to work more, and take less time off. It also says that multiple studies show that these factors this still doesn't account up to 100%. It doesn't give any sources to that statement at all though, and while I am almost certain there are multiple studies saying that, I also believe there are multiple studies saying the complete opposite aswell. If not even more.
I've worked in offices that are predominantly women. I've gone to a university with mostly women alumni. You know what everyone says, they don't want to work with women because they always dig through the work, cause drama etc.
It's exactly what I've seen in the work place, the vast majority of women don't up their skills. There is the 10-20% of you that do and I salute you but you know well enough that the majority of women are out for a free ride.
There may be a wage gap, but it isn't enough to go "OMG ITS SO MUCH!!! WHY CAN THIS MAN AFFORD THIS NEW CAR ANDI CAN ONLY AFFORD THE MODEL WITHOUT STICKERS!!! LIFE IS SO HARD FOR ME!" If a girl wants to get a good job all she really has to to is be fairly smart and know how to look "sexy". You may hate that i used that specific word and you may call me a woman hater, but it is a truth many woman take advantage of when applying for a job.
If a lot of women would work as hard as they should, the "wage gap" would diminish entirely.( a lot of women DO actually work hard and for all of you i apollogize)
I disagree. Men have a higher lifetime earning potential? Isn't that sooo general? So how about we only educate men because they're more likely to earn money for the family? See where the logic doesn't work, right?
Let's put it around. Corporations want to make money. If they could get away with paying women 80% of a man, most men would get fired, and companies would only hire women.
@maxkid90 In my life I have met only a handful of women who didn't work hard. I have known and loved women of all walks of life, all levels of job and/or motherhood and/or family caretaker and/or volunteer roles. I'm not going to say there aren't some privileged stuck-up bitches who don't do shit that's the least bit hard or worthwhile. There are. I'm not going to say there aren't women on the fringe who are maybe mentally ill, addicts, or just plain unintelligent who kinda skate by. But that certainly isn't most of us.
Yes, if logic held, they would fire men to pay women less. But sexism isn't logical. And in our recent recession, men did get laid off more than women just exactly so they could pay less and have the maximum number of equally qualified people.
Well, feminism is the bolsevism of our day. It won the war, and now it has to cannibalize itself, or oppress people to stay relevant. Typical with marxist ideologies.
Feminism is now, and has always been a supremacy movement hiding behind a dictionary definition of equality. And yes, I mean even back as far as the suffragetts.
The problem is, dear, that women rarely initiate any approach yet alone ask for a date. So it's a win win for you women, and a lose lose for us men. You know your tricks, and we know your tricks.
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There will never be equality because of stuff like this. I don't really think thats bad tho, as long as all people have the same opportunity to do stuff they want to do
Every feminist I've dated (and that's more than a few) insisted on "going Dutch", i, e,, splitting the bill on the first date. What happened afterwards varied, also in a relationship.
I think it's weird to "expect" guys to pay for a date anyways. I feel like it isn't fair to him, so sometimes I pay, sometimes he pays.
The initiator pays but also gets to choose where to go.
I don't think you can have an expectation of it, but I also don't think that's mutually exclusive with the idea of accepting it if your partner wants to take you out and pay for it.
It’s not about the person doing or paying everything because they’re a feminist, but only if they want to, then they should be able to make that choice without being shamed.
Whoever asks the other person out should pay.
If the guy asks the girl out, he should pay.
If the girl asks the guy, she should pay
If they make plans together they should split the bill or just each pay for their own meal.
Do you and girls your age still expect the guy to approach and ask out though?
@Toad-1 Personally I don't know, me and almost all my friends are gay sooooooo
@Toad-1 My bi friends usually don't expect the guy to tho its just whoever is more confident then
but girls never ask out
@Subflics Several girls I know have
i guess it depends on region
@Subflics Yea thats probably a big part of it
The problem is that women always is waiting for the man to ask them out. They could wait forever, they could be twisting inside their little souls but they won't ask a man out.
You see, we have been studying your behaviour very thoroughly, you little twisted minds.
Women rarely initiate any approach yet alone ask for a date. So it's a win win for you women, and a lose lose for us men. You know your tricks, and we know your tricks.
Whoever asks the other on the date should be the one that pays
How many men out of all your dates have you asked? How many times have you paid? I seriously doubt it's half. I bet less then 20% of women before 40 pay anything for their first dates.
Fair enough I’ve never asked a guy out. However when I have been on dates guys have insisted that they pay for it so I don’t know. I guess it depends.
If they are insisting it's their deal, but are they really twisting your arm? I went out with a few girls that demanded to pay their own way right from the start and they were hot. I love women who set the ton of how they will be treated. If someone told me I couldn't pay I'd be insulted, why wouldn't a women?
Fair enough I know what you mean
Since women expect men to make the first move, that still means that the man is expected to pay.
Not ALL women
You can but it's not fair. I'm a feminist but I pay for the date, we switch, or we split the bill.
But women spend money on make up and getting her hair done so the man should always pay
I don't use makeup, and I just do a ponytail, no money spending ;)
That $3 pack of hair elastics, where you get like 20, and within 2 weeks you only have two left, right?
How is it unfair for a guy to pay, but fair for you to pay?
CT_CD Men also spend money on clothes and haircuts for dates.
@EvilPimp Women spend money on clothes and haircuts too
@mistixs Never said they didn't, I was just telling him that, he made it seem like men only have to pay for the date, and not spend any money and/or time on their appearance .
@EvilPimp I was just joking. Using that BellePepper girls logic. Look at that stupid video she posted. She thinks just because women dress up, get their hair done, wear makeup and things like that then the man somehow owes her something and should pay for the date. what kind of dumb logic is that?
I work out like crazy, spend 10's of thousands on my degree, buy more expensive food so I have a 6 pack year round. We all have expenses, each of us should pay our share on the date.
Men eat more is the only relevant argument a women could make for paying less than 50%
@MlleCake Nah, they are long lasting elastics, more than three months.
@mistixs We both pay, we switch, or we split the bill.
I chose yes, with that said I am not feminist lol.
I think feminist want equality to some extent but not “all the way”
feminists just want the good stuff of "equal rights"
pay for half of the dinner? there's no chance in hell she's gonna do that shit
Feminists do not date " The Enemy " anyway , so this is a non issue. Why would they date the creatures they hate !! ... Bring on the pink downvotes , feminism has been completely hijacked by the misandrists !!
Female: I believe in gender equality
Male: cool then let's split the bill
Female: What! you expect to split the bill, wow you're not a real man
Male: ಠ_ಠ
That's new wave feminism. That's not real feminism. That kind of "feminism" only applies when it benefits the woman. Not equality
if I can expect her to pay if she asks then she can expect me to pay if I ask. It’s not even about gender. It’s basic etiquette.
Yes, you can be. Men still have a higher lifetime earning potential, and often show they value someone by spending money. We don't live in a post sexist society yet. And individuals have their own reasons.
Men have a higher earnings because of life choices - not because of sexism. And actually they have found single women typically earn more than single men.
@Langseax Neither of those things is true.
Saying that doesn't make it any less true in reality.
(I would post links but I'm not a 2 Xper...)
@Langseax I can post you better links, from a variety of well-regarded sources from analysts, sociologists, economists, workplace psychologists.
Sexism is not over. And it's not over in choices people make on what to pay women.
Please do then - I have yet to see good evidence and even the most feminist of economics teachers in my school admit that the "pay gap" is mostly down to life choices and that women earn more before marriage.
There's more people waiting now. I'd also like to see those sources.
https:// www. economist. com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/08/daily-chart
https:// www. google. se/amp/s/www. forbes. com/sites/karinagness/2016/06/30/new-report-men-work-longer-hours-than-women/amp/
Since I can't post links eithrt I've separated between economist and. com for example. Enjoy! ^^
The issue saying that the feminist girl should pay is that for a lot of places this is becoming the opposite because in many places this is the opposite because the business owners are scared of losing customers thinking they are sexist. So because of this more men now are unemployed, but they can't complain because "men have a bad history".
show us these links...
@Langseax Yes, women do tend to earn more before marriage, but that still doesn't necessarily mean they earn more than men.
This is an article I read when it was first published. I'm sorry it's behind a pay wall. Will locate others. www.degruyter.com/.../ev.2007.4.4.1190.xml
Here's a report from the recent past. Clearly the gap has narrowed over the years, but I present it as a way for anyone to understand how data is analyzed, and the kinds of factors studied to determine there is a wager gap: faculty.uml.edu/.../...n%20Gender%20Wage%20Gap.pdf
Is more recent: www.aauw.org/.../show_pdf.php
Here's a condensed version if you don't want to read 36 pages: www.aauw.org/.../...eTruthFall2017OnePager-nsa.pdf
U. S. Department of Labor: https://www.dol.gov/wb/media/gender_wage_gap.pdf
www.economist.com/news/international/217299
Read this even if you don't like the title: iwpr.org/.../
www.pewresearch.org/.../
Regarded one of the best reports out there, non-partisan: www.aauw.org/.../
www.forbes.com/.../#18b6fc053326
An article based on work by a Harvard Economist: harvardmagazine.com/.../reassessing-the-gender-wage-gap
When you read all of these, we'll talk about it. You let me know.
In the aauw condensed version, it says clearly that men and women choose different paths because of various different reasons, norms being one example. and that men tend to work more, and take less time off. It also says that multiple studies show that these factors this still doesn't account up to 100%. It doesn't give any sources to that statement at all though, and while I am almost certain there are multiple studies saying that, I also believe there are multiple studies saying the complete opposite aswell. If not even more.
I've worked in offices that are predominantly women. I've gone to a university with mostly women alumni. You know what everyone says, they don't want to work with women because they always dig through the work, cause drama etc.
It's exactly what I've seen in the work place, the vast majority of women don't up their skills. There is the 10-20% of you that do and I salute you but you know well enough that the majority of women are out for a free ride.
@CrashDF And your prejudices are precisely the cause of the wage gap.
@LillKrull Read the full study then. I posted a link to download it. It isn't saying what you think it's saying.
There may be a wage gap, but it isn't enough to go "OMG ITS SO MUCH!!! WHY CAN THIS MAN AFFORD THIS NEW CAR ANDI CAN ONLY AFFORD THE MODEL WITHOUT STICKERS!!! LIFE IS SO HARD FOR ME!" If a girl wants to get a good job all she really has to to is be fairly smart and know how to look "sexy". You may hate that i used that specific word and you may call me a woman hater, but it is a truth many woman take advantage of when applying for a job.
If a lot of women would work as hard as they should, the "wage gap" would diminish entirely.( a lot of women DO actually work hard and for all of you i apollogize)
I disagree. Men have a higher lifetime earning potential? Isn't that sooo general? So how about we only educate men because they're more likely to earn money for the family? See where the logic doesn't work, right?
Let's put it around. Corporations want to make money. If they could get away with paying women 80% of a man, most men would get fired, and companies would only hire women.
@maxkid90 In my life I have met only a handful of women who didn't work hard. I have known and loved women of all walks of life, all levels of job and/or motherhood and/or family caretaker and/or volunteer roles. I'm not going to say there aren't some privileged stuck-up bitches who don't do shit that's the least bit hard or worthwhile. There are. I'm not going to say there aren't women on the fringe who are maybe mentally ill, addicts, or just plain unintelligent who kinda skate by. But that certainly isn't most of us.
Yes, if logic held, they would fire men to pay women less. But sexism isn't logical. And in our recent recession, men did get laid off more than women just exactly so they could pay less and have the maximum number of equally qualified people.
Well, feminism is the bolsevism of our day. It won the war, and now it has to cannibalize itself, or oppress people to stay relevant. Typical with marxist ideologies.
Feminism is now, and has always been a supremacy movement hiding behind a dictionary definition of equality. And yes, I mean even back as far as the suffragetts.
What feminist said that and why does her opinion matter?
I'd say it depends on the particular form of feminism.
Whoever initiated the date and/or chose the place to eat should pay
The problem is, dear, that women rarely initiate any approach yet alone ask for a date. So it's a win win for you women, and a lose lose for us men. You know your tricks, and we know your tricks.
Who ever initiates the date should pay so if a feminist got asked out it's reasonable for them to not pay
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