The answer of course is no, but I'm not surprised half of women said yes. Despite what so many women seem to believe, this is really a very clear cut, black and white issue. You either want equality or you don't.
Most feminists are not interested in equality at all, and most women are very put off when a guy expects them to pay their share on a date, or when the guy accepts when they offer to pay. It's a turnoff for them.
So essentially, women are turned off by equality.
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Unreasonable, unless it is the first one
Mho?
No. As a feminist you should know that gender roles and societal expectations in terms of gender is 100% bullshit. There's no rhyme or reason in upholding those standards as a feminist, when the core of feminism is about eradicating such pointless and discriminatory standards.
Well I disagree with that too, although I usually agree with BellePepper. This time I don't. Because claiming that the guy "owes" the girl money because she spent x amount of it on makeup, nails, hair, clothes etc, is basically saying that she's only doing these things for him. Which I wholeheartedly disagree with. There are some women who do these things to attract men for sure, but maaaaany women do these things for themselves because they enjoy it. Like me. So it's very un-feminist to essentially say that women put on makeup and "pamper" themselves just for men, and that that's why men apparently owe us money.
Second off, men also spend money on clothes, haircuts, jewelry, shaving products etc. Although they might not spend as much money on these things as women, they still do it. Yet none of them are claiming that women owe them money for it.
Third, it's completely optional for a woman to spend that much money on beauty products and services. I do my nails at home with stuff I've bought over the past few years, costs next to nothing. I dye, style, and sometimes even cut my own hair. Also very cheap. I do splurge on makeup but that's my own choice, nobody is forcing me to do it, hence I don't feel like I'm entitled to having people treat me differently just because I bought something myself.
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Generally, I think that is likely. The same feminists would argue that "77 cents equal a dollar" (which is, technically, incorrect by arithmetic's standards), hence, under their preconceived notion that men earn more primarily because of their gender, they would most likely assert that men are more capable of shouldering the bill.
The statement above seems very hypocritical, as it doesn't resemble equality at all. That is asserting privilege and entitlement at the expense of someone else's personal funds.
its silly,
1 box of Cement is 50 Kg
when the worker carry 3 boxes it means 150 Kg by 1 round to roof number 4 or 7 then go back again to carry 150 Kg
of course he would not take same salary as you sweety,
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men who removes walls to build another walls they would not take few money as you take
if you want same money as them go work with them
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many jobs are taken for girls
many men can't find a job cuz everywhere they go they prefer girls to flirt the customers or cuz the manger is a player or his eyes like to see girls around him
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@Osama_cy Yea i agree. Who does the work should be given the money. By that logic you should be paid on a per unit basis, like sweatshop workers? Yes men might be more productive; can carry more stuff, but what if a woman carried the same stuff, but used more energy and effort. Because men are naturally generally a larger stronger build they aren't gonna work as hard - so should the woman be paid more. It's all very confusing.
well, I have never seen a owner of bussniss is giving a didfferent salary in the same Job for women less than men.
what are you saying are lies.
on the other hand I support men who pay bills or other stuff for their girls
its their responspilty and its not our fault if they are dating a gold digger
man should pay
man should be smart
I respect Feminist, but sometimes few kids look at the case in fanatical stupid way
I think this is too much of a fully loaded question in fact it's a powder keg, to simply answer it in a Yes or No manner. The quote whoever it is from ONLY pertains to that individual not all girls/ladies/women. I am sure there are degrees to Feminism like all things from the extreme side to the more practical & logical. Its a broad spectrum where different experiences can happen to different people over particular events in their life time. I dated a strong believing feminist for close to 2yrs & while it was very fun, intense & intriguing conversations there were definitely times where it seemed like to me that this was one of those issues where she is going to stand her ground, while I admired her for that, I just wanted to know the why NOT wanting to change her stance on the matter. Now when it came to going out & dating, we seemed to share the bill most of the times unless I fully stated that I wanted to pay the bill in full, fully knowing that she could & she did want to but it was a romantic gesture on my part. I would just tell her that she can treat the next time, & she usually did. Dating should be a flow of giving & taking with what you feel is enough & understanding that the other person's idea of giving & taking is not going to be the same as yours. The man/woman should WANT to find out about what the other is comfortable with & communicate that in a reasonable manner. While this may sound all to the good in writing it does ultimately depend on the person you are dating or wanting to date. This is just my 2cents.
This is a form of feminism in which the woman believes in its integral ideals but has made a personal choice to abide by many of the gender norms that have existed for years e. g. wearing makeup, shaving, believing in chivalry etc because that is what she feels comfortable with. She's probably quite deep seated in her traditional ways, and although it might work against guys in a lot of respects, it's not EXACTLY hypocrisy unless she doesn't fully have the mindset of being a dedicated caretaker and not a provider, in which case she'd be just as capable to pay in theory. That being said I think it's stupid to expect the guy to pay, but each woman to her own and every woman will always display some behaviour contradictory to feminism even if they claim to be feminists because it's a matter of comfort, practicality or desire to be considered attractive
I don't think that expecting men to pay for dates is a feminist view, but I also don't think that holding non-feminist views means that you aren't a feminist. Being a feminist means that you have to re-evaluate a lot of your views; you question the assumptions you hold about gender, the traditions you were raised with, etc. That's a process that happens over time, and we all have blind spots and biases. So, I would hope that that person would re-evaluate their view that men should pay for dates, since it's clearly a view rooted in traditional gender roles, but I wouldn't say that that person isn't a feminist, because they could very well believe in and fight for gender equality.
Whoever asks and initates the outing pays for the outing. If the girls asks the guy out to dinner, expect to pay for him and vice versa. Easy as that. This is 2018, men and women are equal. Get over it. No more stereotypical expectations, both positive and negative.
And whoever said that is an asshole. Let's take that statement to the equivalent extreme and use a different social expectation on gender roles; I believe in equality of men and women, but I firmly believe women should cook and clean the house in the relationship. This is like saying I believe in equality and want to be treated in the same way as men, except when the inequality is beneficial to me.
Feminist in the USA is synonymous with hypocrite. They claim they want equality, yet they always expect preferential treatment and don't actually do anything for men's rights, especially when it comes to family/kids/birth rights and money.
And they don't actually go to the countries where women actually are treated badly.
From what I have seen, there are more women in the younger generations (ages 25 and under right now) that treat men more fairly (not all, but many more than the women I have encountered from around my age).
No I am not a feminist and I never will be. When I just hear the word "feminism" i instantly think about mean women that hate men and share the opinion that all men are evil and everything a guy says is bad. I fucking hate this people. Same rights for all but what feminist today want has nothing to do with equality. by the way no they can't expect it anymore. It's not fair to just pick out the good parts of being a woman. Fine now that I finally shared my opinion about feminist, feel free to hate me ✌🏼
I don't know. it depends i guess? a lot of women consider it a tradition / a sign that the men care... ? I personally was always educated to pay for my own stuff. But honestly, if a guy is all creepy and expects you to return sexual favours for drinks... that is his problem
its also tradition that women stay at home and look after the kids and do the cooking and cleaning, so should that be expected by men?
@Cocacolamm It's WAY DIFFERENT. because to pay for ONE DATE is not the same as living your ENTIRE LIFE according to something someone else expects. So I feel like the comparison can't hold up.
but what if you are single your whole life and your whole life consists of first dates, does that hold up?
I'm not really a feminist but I always offer, And if he agrees that I should pay i do so but my dad taught me that even though you offer the person who asked the other person out should always pay (unless you got the most expensive menu item which is rude)
I was taught that the guy pays for everything that's called respect
@countryboy3597 If the guy always pays that's not respect that's a meal ticket.
@countryboy3597 How are you respecting a women by paying? You don't respect the fact that she can earn money to pay for her own meal... How would you feel if someone wouldn't let you pay for your meal because you gosh darn it weren't strong enough to?
Feminism is about female supremacy more than equality, hence why there is something called "equalism".
Just like KKK is disgusting for thinking that one race is superior to another, so are feminism disgusting for thinking that one sex is better than the other.
Yes you can. Feminists are known for hypocrisy
Such women aren't feminists, only hypocrites. Real feminists understand that equality applies to everything.
Mho!
That's not fair. You're biased against me. Look at the time. Both of us replies 7 minutes ago
That's not my fault
Hmm do feminists even date men lol who'd actually date a man hater..
Being a feminist doesn't mean you hate men, that's the tumblr definition. Feminism is about believing in the strength and equality of women, that doesn't require some negative impact on men.
Being flippant and dismissive of all opinions that differ from your own is a sure sign of an intelligent thinker
Just because people like to misuse a word doesn't change it's original meaning, e. g. literally
But I respect that you're continuing to discuss this with me and apologize for the insulting tack I took before
That "modern day feminist" crap just rankles me. It's just misandry under the guise of empowering women. In my eyes it's no different from racism claiming to be patriotism
I will wait for you, but you can't put me on hold forever 🙃
Well fudge that. I'm trying to rewrite okay.
Feminism has never even been about equallity for both males and females, only about equality for women. Right? Now in modren day feminism, the majority of feminism doesn't focus on real oppression of women (like in a lot of middle eastren or African countries). They focus on a "rape cultrue" in the westren world. Like really? And also the wage gap, they make up lies of it being due to sexism, not due to women who choose lower payment jobs. And, campaigns against violent against women. That's the biggest probably I have with feminism, since MEN are more likely to be victims of violent than women. But nooo, nothing for them. They focus only on women.
And plus, what they do to "deal" with those problems is marching with damn vagina suits. So yeah, that's modren day feminism for you and if you support it... well... the heck is wrong with ya.
I disagree with the first sentence, but the rest of it is not untrue. Don't get me wrong, I was raised with a 1950's gender role perspective and I still feel pretty lost as to my purpose in this Brave New World as a man but what can you do? The gender war is happening I guess
Nope! But a good debater should be able to take either side of an argument 🙄
My response To that is I believe the statement stands on its own merit. Nothing in that sentence implies any negative impact towards men's rights.
Yeah there is no negative impact on men's right, HOWEVER if feminists were all for equallity, they'd take down women's privileges. Such as full custody over the child, money she gets after a divorce from the man, keeping the house, whatever lol there are a lot.
A woman who rapes a man and gets pregnant can literally get money from him for the raising the child.
Why would anyone give up an advantage? Fair play is a myth.
If she was the one being asked out on a date, I think it's reasonable.
She specifically mentions first dates, which makes me assume that she's trying to see if the guy has respect, is humble, etc. This also indicates she is willing to split the bill on future dates. She does not say "I expect the guy to pay for me on all dates", which would point out her botched sense of economic equality.
So yes, I think it's reasonable, assuming the guy asked her out.
What about the guy? I've meet plenty of women that have been disrespectful and not humble at all. So I still get stuck with the bill under your idea, how is that fair for me?
I see you get a clear advantage in the dating world, you lose nothing on your first date I'm out $60-100 at any even modest restaurant. It's why women complain the dating world has gone to H... men got tired of paying. If a women has 3 or 4 days a week it's all free... now if a guy has even 1-3 dates he's out potentially 100's of dollars, unless he's "cheap".
feminism is about equal rights right? then technically they should split the bill after all its only fair.(I had so much fun debating this in my head as I know some people who are female that pointed out that now feminism is just women want complete and utter control over everything)
It depends who choose the place. If he took you somewhere you hadn't been before, you ordered something you didn't enjoy you wouldn't want to pay - especially if you hadn't been ecstatic about going on teh date in teh first place. He should pay. However if he asked you on a date, you discussed a place and went somewhere neither had been, halfsies, and if you took him somewhere you should pay. Logic.
This makes no sense to me. Not liking your meal doesn't make someone else obligated to pay for it. I mean, maybe you didn't love it. But THEY didn't even order it or eat it! So why should they pay for it? And why should you go on a date if you don't want to?
To give yourself a chance to get to know them, before you dismiss them? Yea i understand what you are saying; but just say it was their idea to go to an ethnic place, even before you've decided what to have and whether you liked it, you're taking that risk, and therefore compensation is in order. If you take them somewhere ethnic they haven't been, because you like the food and want them to try it you should pay for it, since it was your idea. That's what i think anyway... Does that make more sense?
I guess I understand your logic, sort of, but it just doesn’t hold up in the real world. You can’t obligate someone else to pay for your meal purely because you didn’t enjoy it. That’s just not how these things work. You should go into a date expecting to carry your own weight, and if they suggest a restaurant that you’re not open to trying, then you should simply suggest eating somewhere else instead. Your date is not going to comprehend that you think it’s your job to pay if you like the food and their job if you don’t. Unless you announce that to them at the start of the date, this system will not get you very far.
Again I can see the logic you're trying to use, but it just doesn't work that way in real life. If your date suggests a restaurant that you're hesitant about, you have two choices: suggest going somewhere else instead, or embrace the opportunity to try something new and if you don't like the food you just deal with it. You have to take a bit more responsibility for yourself. If you order something from the menu you should be prepared to pay for it.
Plenty of time for that later in life!
I'm sure you will figure it out at as you get older. Especially as you become more financially independent and the idea of paying for a meal that you didn't love will start to feel normal, not unthinkable.
Feminism is a joke. There is always going to be unequality between men and women at any time. Men use women and women use men just as much. It is all about having thick skin. Physical limitations will always be in place for both sexes and one sex may be better than the other in some categories. There are tests on it ALL the time. And who cares about titles like postman or postwoman. Quit being so nitpicky. We survived this long so just chill.
Im sure there’s people like that out there... some people just like to label themselves to be part of a crowd or whatever without even thinking about what means. It’s kind of stupid if you ask me. Isn’t feminism against traditional gender roles? I’m not a feminist but if i think like one for a second, then it wouldn't make much sense if you expect the man to pay but as I said, some people don’t even know what they stand for
Feminist or not! THE ONE WHO ASKS FOR THE DATE PAYS. If the man is the one who is taking the lady out! HE PAYS.
If the lady asks the man out! SHE PAYS.
Of course split is optional (can be talked about it when they meet) it's 2018 and not the 1800's
Well yeah.
Just like how you can be a feminist and be a housewife.
She wants the equal OPPORTUNITY to pay for herself or the whole date, but she doesn't actually want to do it for whatever reason.
Like I want women to be able to join the military if that's what they want, but I myself would never ever join the military.
No. If I invite someone out, I will pay. If he asks me out... I always at least offer to pay for half. Or he pays for this activity and I’ll pay for the other.
I don’t think you can. Equal opportunity should mean equal responsibility as well. There is no logical reason why a modern, selr sufficient woman should expect a man to pay her way.
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No. That's sexist inequality. A man's gender does not mean the woman is owed anything.
Since majority of modern day feminists don't actually want equality (they want superiority over males), most of them most likely want guys to pay first.
Those who call themselves feminists but actually DO want equality (a very rare breed) are usually unaware of the fact that men currently experience more discrimination and unfairness than women.
I mean, society has pushed it on the guys. And feminism at this day in age is really unnecessary. I think if the guy wants to be to be chivalrous then sure he can pay. She was raised on guys paying yet she wants so called "equality". Quite hypocritical if you ask me.
It'd nice of him to he offer, but i would reply that i can't accept it, i pay this time you pay next time or i pay my half at least, as a feminist who believes in equality i think this is how you should act in this case.
No. Those women are feminists only when it's convenient for them.
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I mean, I guess you can, but it's some major bullshit.
@Ayer93 Thanks! :P
Let us defer to Sonya in Fur
https://youtu.be/i1_YsCrokfQWhy is that?
Dating is expensive bro
People have problems if they think things cost money? 🤔
No. You have problems if you think the man automatically owes you something and is obligated to pay for you. Especially the reason you give. Because you wear makeup and dress up so it's his job to pay? Really? Is your time worth more than his or something? Most guys wouldn't even mind paying but that kind of entitled attitude is a huge turn off. If I found out a woman thought like that then I'd just pay for my half at the end of the date and make her pay for hers. If she doesn't have the money then that's her problem.
That's a very strong sense of entitlement, you don't have to do all that to get a date
By the same logic, the woman is in debt by a good few grand if he has a car and she doesn't.
@disgustingweebtrash I’d argue that he more than likely uses the car for things other than just dates so it would only count as that evenings gas and wear.
And like I don't know how other people are but I do not ride in a guy’s car on the first or even third date. That’s a good way to end up chopped in little pieces and tossed in a ditch 😰
But then this crosses into another argument. Women always bitch that they wear makeup for themselves and not for men. Is this not just confirming that they do it to appear more attractive to the opposite sex?
If a man forces you to buy makeup then so be it he pays for dinner. But I have never ever heard a man force or pressure women into wearing makeup. In fact I hear the opposite where men say women look ugly with make up
@disgustingweebtrash trust me there are plllleeeeeeenty of guys who have been like “you’d look so nice with makeup” to me or my friends (some of which were wearing makeup...).
And like makeup for a date is veeeeery time and product heavy even when you’re doing a natural look. Like I’ll spend more on makeup for a date than just day to day wear.
@disgustingweebtrash Things like this is why so many men and even women don't like feminism. This is just dumb
@CT_CD don’t be mad that we don’t just want you for your taxi services
A lot would want the guy to be a taxi service but obviously not most, just like I said when guys don't expect the girl to wear makeup costing $200
Take that $200 and go spend it on a gym membership, it's cheaper and healthier than the chemicals you put on your face and in your hair
@disgustingweebtrash to be fair we don’t actually *know* that ;p
@Markfish so since we spend money for the date does that mean you’re the prostitutes?
fuck all if you don't buy it
@disgustingweebtrash make up? I buy nail polish?
What's the point? I'm sure you're a natural beauty Belle
@disgustingweebtrash that is very true but if I was working I would need to present myself in a certain way and unfortunately makeup is one of those requirements
@coachTanthony Still my favorite video
Yeah no doubt.. he explains it right!
lol you got that right
Omg can we stop with all this labeling whoever asks the other person on the date should pay
On the first date if u asked her then yeah. It honestly depends on the girl but if you’re already making money an issue before you even get in a relationship than you will stay single
Okay well if you’re broke then don’t ask people out. You’re making it a gender issue when it’s not. its the same thing if you were going out with a friend. If your friend asks you to get coffee you should either split or they should pay because they invited yiu. Honestly if your panties are up your ass because of this then don’t date geez
It’s not you just want to complain. Money shouldn’t matter at all i expect a guy to pay on a first date but by second or third i can pay for my own things and one more thing don’t blame women blame society and the fact men still get payed more than women are for no reason. My last suggestion is don’t date and good luck
You’re just as annoying as the dude who keeps asking about beta males 🙄
There are reasons why women get paid less, but let's just assume there aren't, that's a topic for another discussion.
If the dude worked for minimum wage and the girl earned 1£ more per hour, should then the girl pay? And again, if it doesn't matter to you you can't say that it should be this or that way. If you say it should be this or that way, you obviously care.
Then your suggestion not to try looking for love, very sensitive, and you finished with an insult, awesome :)
I can't get over the sheer levels of entitlement people have, does no one want to achieve or do anything for themselves anymore? everyone else seems to be to blame for people not achieving or reaching their own goals!
I agree with the notion that whoever asks on a first date should be the one to pay. From subsequent dates then onward, split the bill. Usually the guys asks the girl out but I don't understand how a guy could ask a girl out and then expect her to pay half the bill when she's basically his guest since he asked her. If she asked him, then it's the other way around
why is this still a thing? Just split the bill. Unless its specifically his treat and he asked you out and specified he will pay.
A guy should not be expected to pay for anything. If he chooses to then he can but that is all up towards him. Can’t necessarily “expect” him to pay for a date.
Absolutely NOT in my opinion, if you're a feminist you believe in equal rights there for that isn't fair.
Okay we will pay 50-50 if ever date 😂😂
we have a bit of a problem here, as a feminist (according to them at least ) equality is key, meaning she has to pay what he has to pay.
now we have those claiming that the guy asked her out so why should he pay... well its simple really, women in 90% of the cases will not make a move on a guy, so basically guys are expected to make a move, so you're telling me that you make me approach you and whoever invites has to pay... doesn't seem to make much sense especially when u want equality...
They won't want equality... go friend a few dozen women on facebook and watch as their marriages collapse after they dump the provider for the douche bag at the guy.
We don't need charts or surveys just use your eyes and look at whats happening. I still laugh when a women says a guy must be 6 feet. Less than 14% of the male population is 6 feet...
@CrashDF yeah a lot of men seem to believe statistics or women, i believe more in actions and results, if a woman says something cool i will consider it but unless it happens the way she says it does iam not convinced enough to actually do it like she wants me to.
women often want something but claim to want something else, it happens a lot and many men ignore this for some reason I don't know.
by the way iam 6'2 and yes women just love to comment on my height, but problem is the hotter she is the more shit tests and walls you have to destroy to get to her, even if you're a cool, laid back and genuine dude...
@CrashDF i like girls so iam willing to date girls its just that i choose to date girls few years younger than me and approach in a laid back, cool manner, if they are responsive and i like them and they aren't giving me a hard time its all good, if they start playing games or testing me when iam literally being honest and real with them then i guess we won't work out.
most girls have had at least a boyfriend by college, i dated few girls so its cool one or two bfs are okay with me, but if she sleeps around, has an attitude, or had a lot of boyfriend, make friends then fuck it i dont need this.
i met a girl recently who was giving me a lot of attention for months when i finally approached she was responsive and messaged back and everything but after two convos (span of 3 days ) she suddenly blocked me, and i wasn't even annoying, creepy or anything just normal everyday stuff... what can we do girls seem to have issues nowadays.
What I've seen in the dating world has blown my mind. Women demand 6 feet tall guys while shaming short guys saying they have small D's like as its a normal thing to say. They've lost total respect for men as well as themselves, they date only the jerks. They constantly tell themselves that because 200 guys email them on dating sites they can be picky and let themselves go. I know this is true because I know a lot of women and I've seen them hit the wall it's brutal.
Some of them I wouldn't recognize anymore since after even a few years they've put on 60-70 pounds and are with men they never would have looked at in a million years back when I knew them. Facebook will show it all to you lol. The vast majority of women are drama and will say w/e makes them look good but when you talk to them 1on1 they will spill it on how awful they are to themselves and others. Men are easy because we grow up and care about others and expect Women to as well.
I have no idea what to tell ya, she could have meet someone else or got scared.
I wish you all the luck, I go to yoga and I've run into a few nice girls. I'll eventually marry one I just use this site to vent what I've seen dating in my 30's. It's a nightmare for men and I completely see why so many have given up on the dating scene.
Best advice is take up an activity that has women in it and wait for a nice one to come along marry her and never look back.
@CrashDF yeah women nowdays feel that the world revolves around them, they are the center and guys are responsible for making that happen, except that guys are working hard and still not getting the results they want and its driving a lot of them mad and crazy, they give but never get anything in return.
iam not giving up on dating but iam not gonna allow a girl to use me, i have interacted with a lot of women and i know that a lot offer nothing worthy , they can cook, clean, aren't willing to have kids or take care of kids, they want men that can do everything for them while they just sit there and rest.
Your completely 100% right, they do think they are the center of the universe.
I knew tons of hots girls and everything you've read or thought is exactly what they were doing and more. Using nice guys cheating on them with everyone.
But I've also seen them hit the wall and they might laugh and say were the bitter ones... wait till they are in their 30's and go from taking a new guy home every other week to absolutely no one wanting them. They pack on 70 pounds and finally realize what an equal world is without their privilege. No pity. For the first time in their lives they'll know the struggle men have since were 16, endless rejection till we stop caring or toughen up.
@CrashDF indeed some do # not all but a lot do end up either fat with no relationship or future or some find out the hard way what being high manitenance and slutty means when they get older and can't get a man.
Like fuck. You get what you ask for, good and bad points. You shouldn't get to pick and choose for what you want, when no one else gets that luxury.
Absolutely not. But i do believe in being a lady, you do not fight a guy who insisted in on paying. Allow him to be a gentleman
Depends. The point of feminism is equality so the question then becomes "should one person be expected to pay for another" and that is all down to context.
Being a feminist is not about how you choose to pay for something. It's about being able to choose how will you do these things. Just don't create new norms instead of old ones.
There will never be equality because of stuff like this. I don't really think thats bad tho, as long as all people have the same opportunity to do stuff they want to do
Every feminist I've dated (and that's more than a few) insisted on "going Dutch", i, e,, splitting the bill on the first date. What happened afterwards varied, also in a relationship.
I think it's weird to "expect" guys to pay for a date anyways. I feel like it isn't fair to him, so sometimes I pay, sometimes he pays.
The initiator pays but also gets to choose where to go.
I don't think you can have an expectation of it, but I also don't think that's mutually exclusive with the idea of accepting it if your partner wants to take you out and pay for it.
It’s not about the person doing or paying everything because they’re a feminist, but only if they want to, then they should be able to make that choice without being shamed.
Whoever asks the other person out should pay.
If the guy asks the girl out, he should pay.
If the girl asks the guy, she should pay
If they make plans together they should split the bill or just each pay for their own meal.
@Toad-1 Personally I don't know, me and almost all my friends are gay sooooooo
@Toad-1 My bi friends usually don't expect the guy to tho its just whoever is more confident then
@Subflics Several girls I know have
@Subflics Yea thats probably a big part of it
The problem is that women always is waiting for the man to ask them out. They could wait forever, they could be twisting inside their little souls but they won't ask a man out.
You see, we have been studying your behaviour very thoroughly, you little twisted minds.
Women rarely initiate any approach yet alone ask for a date. So it's a win win for you women, and a lose lose for us men. You know your tricks, and we know your tricks.
Whoever asks the other on the date should be the one that pays
If they are insisting it's their deal, but are they really twisting your arm? I went out with a few girls that demanded to pay their own way right from the start and they were hot. I love women who set the ton of how they will be treated. If someone told me I couldn't pay I'd be insulted, why wouldn't a women?
Since women expect men to make the first move, that still means that the man is expected to pay.
You can but it's not fair. I'm a feminist but I pay for the date, we switch, or we split the bill.
I don't use makeup, and I just do a ponytail, no money spending ;)
@EvilPimp I was just joking. Using that BellePepper girls logic. Look at that stupid video she posted. She thinks just because women dress up, get their hair done, wear makeup and things like that then the man somehow owes her something and should pay for the date. what kind of dumb logic is that?
@MlleCake Nah, they are long lasting elastics, more than three months.
@mistixs We both pay, we switch, or we split the bill.
I chose yes, with that said I am not feminist lol.
I think feminist want equality to some extent but not “all the way”
feminists just want the good stuff of "equal rights"
pay for half of the dinner? there's no chance in hell she's gonna do that shit
Feminists do not date " The Enemy " anyway , so this is a non issue. Why would they date the creatures they hate !! ... Bring on the pink downvotes , feminism has been completely hijacked by the misandrists !!
Female: I believe in gender equality
Male: cool then let's split the bill
Female: What! you expect to split the bill, wow you're not a real man
Male: ಠ_ಠ
That's new wave feminism. That's not real feminism. That kind of "feminism" only applies when it benefits the woman. Not equality
if I can expect her to pay if she asks then she can expect me to pay if I ask. It’s not even about gender. It’s basic etiquette.
Yes, you can be. Men still have a higher lifetime earning potential, and often show they value someone by spending money. We don't live in a post sexist society yet. And individuals have their own reasons.
@Langseax Neither of those things is true.
@Langseax I can post you better links, from a variety of well-regarded sources from analysts, sociologists, economists, workplace psychologists.
Sexism is not over. And it's not over in choices people make on what to pay women.
There's more people waiting now. I'd also like to see those sources.
https:// www. economist. com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/08/daily-chart
https:// www. google. se/amp/s/www. forbes. com/sites/karinagness/2016/06/30/new-report-men-work-longer-hours-than-women/amp/
Since I can't post links eithrt I've separated between economist and. com for example. Enjoy! ^^
The issue saying that the feminist girl should pay is that for a lot of places this is becoming the opposite because in many places this is the opposite because the business owners are scared of losing customers thinking they are sexist. So because of this more men now are unemployed, but they can't complain because "men have a bad history".
show us these links...
@Langseax Yes, women do tend to earn more before marriage, but that still doesn't necessarily mean they earn more than men.
This is an article I read when it was first published. I'm sorry it's behind a pay wall. Will locate others. www.degruyter.com/.../ev.2007.4.4.1190.xml
Here's a report from the recent past. Clearly the gap has narrowed over the years, but I present it as a way for anyone to understand how data is analyzed, and the kinds of factors studied to determine there is a wager gap: faculty.uml.edu/.../...n%20Gender%20Wage%20Gap.pdf
Is more recent: www.aauw.org/.../show_pdf.php
Here's a condensed version if you don't want to read 36 pages: www.aauw.org/.../...eTruthFall2017OnePager-nsa.pdf
U. S. Department of Labor: https://www.dol.gov/wb/media/gender_wage_gap.pdf
www.economist.com/news/international/217299
Read this even if you don't like the title: iwpr.org/.../
www.pewresearch.org/.../
Regarded one of the best reports out there, non-partisan: www.aauw.org/.../
www.forbes.com/.../#18b6fc053326
An article based on work by a Harvard Economist: harvardmagazine.com/.../reassessing-the-gender-wage-gap
When you read all of these, we'll talk about it. You let me know.
In the aauw condensed version, it says clearly that men and women choose different paths because of various different reasons, norms being one example. and that men tend to work more, and take less time off. It also says that multiple studies show that these factors this still doesn't account up to 100%. It doesn't give any sources to that statement at all though, and while I am almost certain there are multiple studies saying that, I also believe there are multiple studies saying the complete opposite aswell. If not even more.
I've worked in offices that are predominantly women. I've gone to a university with mostly women alumni. You know what everyone says, they don't want to work with women because they always dig through the work, cause drama etc.
It's exactly what I've seen in the work place, the vast majority of women don't up their skills. There is the 10-20% of you that do and I salute you but you know well enough that the majority of women are out for a free ride.
@CrashDF And your prejudices are precisely the cause of the wage gap.
@LillKrull Read the full study then. I posted a link to download it. It isn't saying what you think it's saying.
There may be a wage gap, but it isn't enough to go "OMG ITS SO MUCH!!! WHY CAN THIS MAN AFFORD THIS NEW CAR ANDI CAN ONLY AFFORD THE MODEL WITHOUT STICKERS!!! LIFE IS SO HARD FOR ME!" If a girl wants to get a good job all she really has to to is be fairly smart and know how to look "sexy". You may hate that i used that specific word and you may call me a woman hater, but it is a truth many woman take advantage of when applying for a job.
I disagree. Men have a higher lifetime earning potential? Isn't that sooo general? So how about we only educate men because they're more likely to earn money for the family? See where the logic doesn't work, right?
@maxkid90 In my life I have met only a handful of women who didn't work hard. I have known and loved women of all walks of life, all levels of job and/or motherhood and/or family caretaker and/or volunteer roles. I'm not going to say there aren't some privileged stuck-up bitches who don't do shit that's the least bit hard or worthwhile. There are. I'm not going to say there aren't women on the fringe who are maybe mentally ill, addicts, or just plain unintelligent who kinda skate by. But that certainly isn't most of us.
Yes, if logic held, they would fire men to pay women less. But sexism isn't logical. And in our recent recession, men did get laid off more than women just exactly so they could pay less and have the maximum number of equally qualified people.
Well, feminism is the bolsevism of our day. It won the war, and now it has to cannibalize itself, or oppress people to stay relevant. Typical with marxist ideologies.
Feminism is now, and has always been a supremacy movement hiding behind a dictionary definition of equality. And yes, I mean even back as far as the suffragetts.
What feminist said that and why does her opinion matter?
I'd say it depends on the particular form of feminism.
Whoever initiated the date and/or chose the place to eat should pay
Who ever initiates the date should pay so if a feminist got asked out it's reasonable for them to not pay
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