Calling someone a "nigger" is not a crime, while calling someone "he" or "she" is. thoughts?

[genericname85]

PC authoritarian left extremists have established LAWS in some American states that make it illegal to intentionally refer to people as a gender or use a pronoun against their choosing.

yet calling someone a "nigger" is perfectly legal outside of conducting hate speech.

how america? explain this shit to me! i'm lost xD

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of course assuming you call them "he" or "she" against their chosen pronoun. not just like that.

[RolandCuthbert]

It is just a lie. They are simply afforded the same protections you would expect. By the way, if you call someone an n-word in the workplace, you are gone.

"All people, including employees, tenants, customers, and participants in programs, have the right to use their preferred name regardless of whether they have identification in that name or have obtained a court-ordered name change, except in very limited circumstances where certain federal, state, or local laws require otherwise (e. g., for purposes of employment eligibility verification with the federal government). Asking someone their preferred gender pronoun and preferred name is not a violation of the NYCHRL.

Examples of Violations a. Intentional or repeated refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.” after she has made clear which pronouns and title she uses."

[genericname85]

yes that's what i'm speaking about. but where is the law that says you're gonna be punished if you use the N-word?

[RolandCuthbert]

Either you are being purposefully obtuse or you are totally ignorant of what the law says. If I am in a workplace and someone calls me the n-word and calls me the n-word repeatedly and intentionally, I can sue the workplace for not creating a harassment free work environment.

The same thing goes for misgendering someone repeatedly and intentionally. That is harassment and the guidance given by the NYC DA's office was that the same protections apply to transgenders.

You are claiming transgenders are given special protections. That is not the case.

[genericname85]

well this law never says anything about the n-word. i never said "Asking someone their preferred gender pronoun and preferred name is not a violation of the NYCHRL." you implied that.

[RolandCuthbert]

It was worded that way because businesses thought they did not have to protect transgenders. Jacques says you are not American. That statement shows that you are not. Everyone in the U. S. knows that discrimination legislation covers race, sex, religion, the disabled, etc. Those protections were not granted automatically to the gay community.

So special "guidance" has been written into legislation at every level (federal, state, and local) to include lesbians, gays, and transgendered. It simply says. . ."you have to include these groups also".

[genericname85]

ok i think we're not quite on the same page yet as to what exactly we're talking about.

you see this law doesn't even talk about race and how racial slurs are legally punished but to my knowledge there's no such law.

my point is that it should not be your right to force others to use the pronouns you wish for, cause i think that you should not be able to choose your gender as you please and then make others use the shit you just made up.

i'm arguing from Jordan Petersons point of view that this is a highly problematic impediment of freedom of speech and degeneration of language in general.

i do understand the point you're making. that this is about harrassment free work environment but picking and choosing your pronouns and then getting offended for people not using them as you wanted them to is just "in my opinion" (and the opinion of mister Peterson) not a thing that should be condoned by law.

[RolandCuthbert]

So you are just going to continue to be obtuse. You posted the link and came to the conclusion that discrimination laws have nothing to with racism or sexism because they do not include specific slurs. So are you trying to get someone fired or a company sued? Are you deliberately trying to mislead folks by telling they can say racial slurs or make sexist jokes in the work environment without any consequences? How far down does this rabbit hole go?

"The New York City Human Rights Law (“NYCHRL”) prohibits discrimination in employment, public accommodations, and housing. It also prohibits discriminatory harassment and bias-based profiling by law enforcement."

[genericname85]

no you're continuing to ignore my point i'm just saying that the law tries to enforce bullshit. namely the bullshit that anybody can choose their gender and pronoun and then can demand to be called that. people don't even need to pick a human pronoun. they can even choose to be refered to as "birdkin" with the pronoun it and if you think this is such bullshit, i'm not gonna call you it, then you're offending the law.

the law is very specific about the gender thing and very vague about the racial slurs as those just falls under general harrasment. clearly showing that this bullshit gender thing is more important to the law.

[RolandCuthbert]

Well, if we worked together and everyday you came in I referred to you as a she and called you Sally, what would that be?

And again, you don't understand the "law". The law was written years ago, what you are citing is called "additional guidance". It isn't a law. It simply says, discrimination laws apply to trans gender people.

[hithere9]

genuinely surprised by this guy's intellect.

[madhatters4]

it seems similar to hate speech laws regarding the n-word. it's about intent. if you intentionally misgender someone you can be potentially arrested similar to using the n-word in a manner that qualifies as hate speech

[genericname85]

well hate speech would mean you're speaking in front of an audience. this can be in a personal conversation though.

[madhatters4]

hate speech doesn't necessarily it's in front of more than one person. both can occur in front of one or tons of people it just requires that you can prove it occurred and the person reports it as a crime

[Anonymous]

Leftists tangle themselves up in their own bullshit

[genericname85]

well i don't have any issues with idiots tangling up themselfes in bullshit xD but it's the freaking official law in some place xD that doesn't work.

[Opinion Owner]

https://youtu.be/JKy-1X-dkec

[genericname85]

oh my got this is the fucking best!!! i'm shitting myself with laughter right now xD

[nickyBBB]

Wut

Leftists are so dumb

[genericname85]

i think we non americans won't ever understand xD

[nickyBBB]

Yup 😂

[TooHot2Care]

Buddy, I’m in the center but lean left socially and I think it’s insanity.

[Patrickjv]

Well when transgender people have their surgeries they can legally change their gender if not biologically. So I don't think it would make sense to refer to them by anything other than their legal gender. Protest the surgeries and the this legal procedure if you want.

[genericname85]

dude this is different. it says you're from finland so i don't know if you knew this but for example in new yourk, you are now litterally allowed by law to pick and choose your gender. you don't need surgery. you don't even need to pick a human gender.

so to make an extreme example: you can say "i'm not a man. i feel more like i'm a horse" so you can choose to be refered to as "horsekin" and a pronoun (he/she/it) of your choice and everybody who doesn't use the correct words for you on purpose offends the fucking law xD

[Patrickjv]

Oh well. Sure am glad I don't live there.

[genericname85]

same here xD

[HansHoth]

When whites create a society of their own, there won't be anyone around to call 'nigger', and Marxists will be eradicated, so all these problems will disappear. This whole 'diversity' thing is nothing but a way to create endless conflicts and then tell people it's the best possible society they could ever live in. Because it's diverse. Tell that crap to the Japanese, they will put you in a straight jacket.

[genericname85]

well ask germany where you're a social outcast if you show national pride xD cause only nazis dare to have national pride... and don't dare to say that diverse is bad, you will go straight to prison cause obviously you're a nazi xD

[HansHoth]

Indeed. Meanwhlie, when the Turkish national football team plays against Germany, all the Turks who live in Germany show up on the 'German' side and boo the German team.

[genericname85]

well that's mostly the second generation turkish guys that lack national identity as their family didn't ever assimilate into our culture but can't identify as "true" turkish, cause they personally only know germany and they don't feel like they belong anywhere...

those guys will scoff at germans and how shitty german society is while full on living on our countries wellfare... they're litterally biting hand that feeds them. that's what "diversity" does. assimilation and integration is way more important.

[HansHoth]

I think that the fact that second and third generation immigrants by and large feel like they are something separate, despite, perhaps, not even identifying with the country of origin, shows that immigration is a huge problem. In order to 'integrate' these people, the host society has to abandon its own identity so that the new generations can feel some kind of bond, by listening to MTV, eating at McDonald's and shopping at the same shopping centre. In order to create some kind of idea of shared identity, the host society has to butcher its own identity. But even that won't work in the long run. I think that Muslim immigrants in articular will stick to their Muslim heritage, and assert it.

[genericname85]

the awkward thing with the turkish people was that they were never supposed to stay here. they were here as compensation for the lacking work force caused by the war and they just never left and they continue to live in subcultures to this day instead of integrating.

immigration is not problematic. immigration without any intention and effort to integrate into the society that you're immigrating into, that is a problem.

[HansHoth]

Yeah, but I think experience shows that we just can't integrate them no matter what we do. I guess identity is something that sits deep and is tied to ancestry so much that you can't turn it into something altogether different. I used to support immigration as long as it was accompanied by integration. But now I think it's best to keep different people separate so they can live their lives in natural environment, among their own people. I don't think we should try and change people's identities. Just be who you are, respect others, and build a society with your own people, who will naturally feel that they belong together.

[genericname85]

no you're right. forcing people to change their identity isn't right. but i mean if you don't accept a countries identity, then i think the country should have every right to just throw you out.

[genericname85]

in fact many countries do that... just not germany, cause we try so hard not to be nazis xD

[TooHot2Care]

You guys already did that , and now you’re mad….. deal with it.

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

That makes zero sense but which states are supporting this law because I don’t want to get arrested for murder or assault 😂

[genericname85]

new york for example.

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

Well ironically I’m actually from New York and living here for now, they better not feel brave enough for saying that because it will get super awkward

[genericname85]

XD well don't i condone the use of racial slurs. this is not so much about racial slurs as i think we can all agree that they are insulting and inappropriate... but the freaking law doesn't even reflect that... the law considers "not using the pronoun that the fragile little snowflake chose for themselfes" as worse than calling someone a n**...

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

Only in America does shit contradicts themselves but It’s my country nonetheless 🤣

[genericname85]

xD oh man well if it's not too bad for you, then i guess it's fine. for me as being outside looking inside it's just mind boogeling.

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

It’s a mindfuck but I’m from New York, mindfucks happen daily for us

[genericname85]

tough life xD

[FýrdracaDócincel]

"mindfucks happen daily for us"
Preaching to the choir there dude -_-

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

Yeah we are just used to the shenanigans lol

[genericname85]

@FýrdracaDócincel how is it then that apparently only the dumb and unreasonable get out to protest and have their stupidity put into law? XD stand up for the right thinking people and end the degeneration of your society :P

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Haha!
In all seriousness, we're pretty scattered over here.

I'm sure there's enough of us, but strength in concentration of numbers is something we just don't have. 😅

[genericname85]

@FýrdracaDócincel xD well the idiots of the country seem to have it xD

[disgustingweebtrash]

I don't think either should be a crime, unless you incite violence.

There's very much a huge difference to saying "I hate blacks" and "I want to kill all blacks"

[genericname85]

yeah but there's also a huge difference between calling a n** considering American history and calling someone she when they look like a woman but wanna be refered to as he xD i think the latter is just ridiculous compared to that.

[Bandit74]

That's retarded. I hope it doesn't spread to other states.

[genericname85]

oh it will if you continue to let that "lgbt+" thing happen.

[sc15022]

PC culture is a cancer on Western society. The more we cave into it, the worse it's gonna be for us in the long run

[genericname85]

definitely true.

[BigGuy8]

Show me these laws. I've never been anywhere where calling someone a he or she can get me arrested.

[genericname85]

well you won't go to jail straight away but you will have to expect "penalties up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct." as stated in the
New York City Commission on Human Rights Legal Enforcement Guidance on Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Expression: Local Law No. 3 (2002); N. Y. C. Admin. Code § 8-102(23)
www1.nyc.gov/.../...ender-identity-expression.page

[BigGuy8]

VIOLATIONS OF THE NEW YORK CITY HUMAN RIGHTS LAW'S PROHIBITIONS ON GENDER DISCRIMINATION
Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun
Refusing To Allow Individuals To Utilize Single-Sex Facilities & Programs Consistent w/Their Gender
Sex Stereotyping
Imposing Different Uniforms or Grooming Standards Based on Sex or Gender
Providing Employee Benefits that Discriminate Based on Gender
Considering Gender When Evaluating Requests for Accommodations
Engaging in Discriminatory Harassment
Engaging in Retaliation

[genericname85]

"Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun" that's what i'm speaking of ^^ the remarkable thing is "prefered" pronoun. meaning they can choose. they don't need appropriate sex for the pronoun. in fact they don't even require to choose "human" pronouns.

[BigGuy8]

You are overreaching on your assessment of this. I understand you like to bash liberals, but you have to be realistic. This does not mean if you walk down the street and call a man Mrs that you will be fined. This is for employers and landlords etc. These same people could be sued if they called someone a "nigger", so you are definitely taking it further than it really goes.

[genericname85]

yes i know that, i was consciously exaggerating on that part. however what i'm getting at is that "choosing your gender" is not a thing. such bullshit shouldn't be able to make ito a law text.
requiring people BY LAW to use the bullshit pronouns that some deranged individual came up with is just absurd. i know you will probably not be fined if you do itin the streets but the fact that this law exists in this litteral explicitness is just shocking.

[BeHappy1985]

Well it has been banned in NYC.

https://youtu.be/pu8giYLHU9g

[genericname85]

it's funny, cause if a black person says it, it's fine xD

[Duke1985]

Is it? I mean calling someone "he" or "she" is a crime? I only know this to be true in certain situations from Canada. (C-16)

[genericname85]

it's a crime for example in the state of new york to knowingly refer to someone as a gender different than their choosing. i hear there are discussions about the establishment of such laws going on since 2016 in Canada as well.

[Duke1985]

It's through. As i said. C16. I think it's wrong

[genericname85]

oh well i don't know about the c16 thing exactly.
i was looking at the New York City Commission on Human Rights Legal Enforcement Guidance on Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Expression: Local Law No. 3 (2002); N. Y. C. Admin. Code § 8-102(23), in which "Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun" is defined as a legal offense punisheable with " civil penalties up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct"

[Duke1985]

Crazy. Check out jordan peterson's ooinions about this. He makes some valid arguments

[genericname85]

:) i know. he actually inspired this question xD

[Duke1985]

Good. He went in fron of the Canadian governement to state his opinions before they yayed the law. It's good. And he doesn't mean anything bad by it.

[genericname85]

yes i actually heard of the c-16 debate and that he spoke in front of the comission but i never learned the outcome of it.

[JesseTheMan]

Calling someone somethign shouldn't be crime. Controlling language and what others say is fucked up and wrong to a liberal like me.

[iamshan]

Well said

[genericname85]

i mean i think calling someone a n** is an insult and should pe punishable considering the American history.

however yeah it must feel horrible to be on the same political side on people that do such bullshit. cause you always have to explain that you disagree with that even though you're liberal xD

[JesseTheMan]

I mean I disagree. Either all insults are illegal or none are, otherwise it would be unfair.

[JesseTheMan]

But yeah, the latter part is so true 😂

[genericname85]

well the difference is that calling someone a n** has an inherent insulting and hurting nature, while calling someone "he or she" has not.

[JesseTheMan]

Yeah I agree. I just think that all restrictions on freedom of speech are bad, I'll gladly criticise both sides equally.

[JesseTheMan]

Well I mean I guess it's often the left who're more eager to limit freedom of speech (depends of the country ofc)

[genericname85]

well it's just a problematic fallacy assume that someone "feeling marginalized" means they're treated unfair in any way. we're all marginalized and we should stop trying to eliminate it completely, cause it's a thing that we have to deal with as it is the price of individualism and freedom of choices...

[TGFH-Satan]

This is why we need a genocide. Get rid of all those dumbasses.

[genericname85]

well i mean not cutting the spendings on education year after year after year in order to have a bigger war budget would certainly prevent your country from evloving into a horde of degenerates... xD genocide doesn't solve the problem. it just pushes the consequences of the problems a little bit into the future.

[TGFH-Satan]

Well if no one is left to cause the problem...

[genericname85]

good luck cutting down a society that spends the biggest part of their income on war and where every single citizen has the right to wear firearms :D so that's not an easy solution.

[TGFH-Satan]

Get the "True American" radicals to arm up and fight for a free America! Some of them have military type equipment.

[genericname85]

dude if there's a majority large enough to establish a law like this, then i don't think a minority of sane, educated people fighting against that could actually win xD

[TGFH-Satan]

That's what America was founded on and protected with. The majority of British vs the minority of Americans.

[genericname85]

then how did america win the independence war xD lol. it doesn't make sense to me. wouldn't the British want dependence and therefore win if they were the majority? xD

[TGFH-Satan]

Exactly! America won becuase we knew the land better and we had more support. We had choke points that made it an easy win at some points. The french helped a lot.

[genericname85]

well i think in america the majority is still dumb morons xD... i mean look at your president. do i need more? i don't think that the people you're speaking of are really a "majority" anymore.

[genericname85]

*do i need to say more

[TGFH-Satan]

Fair point... but i still beleive we could win through "spec op" type missions on the leftist.

[genericname85]

haha ok xD good luck then, i guess.

[TGFH-Satan]

Thank you. You shall be lnown as a hero after we win. A nice bronze statue in the middle of the u. s.

[genericname85]

at the very least ^^

[MyAtlantis]

You gotta be kidding! That's so dumb.

[genericname85]

well i exaggerated a little. but it is the law that you are punishable for willfully and intentionally not calling someone by their "chosen" name or pronoun...

[MyAtlantis]

It doesn't make a difference to me. Still sounds dumb. Sick!

[genericname85]

that seems to be the common opinion... i wonder how they still managed to make a law like that xD

[MyAtlantis]

Seems like idiots estabilish the laws and they are majority if they have such a big power :/

[genericname85]

that's what i thought xD

[MyAtlantis]

Unfortunately they are "above" us and we can't help it. This crap spreads everywhere. Even in my country and people think it is so conservative. Young people are brainwashed.

[genericname85]

i mean if even the "reputable" sources spread that shit, then how are kids supposed to be smarter? ^^

[genericname85]

like most people have that inner conviction that this isn't good but they are just morally highroaded and silenced cause they don't know the exact reason why it's wrong.

[MyAtlantis]

Yeah, it is everywhere and kids look up to celebrities and dumb youtubers like Logan Paul. Parents work all the time and don't find time to teach their kids properly. Sad.

[MyAtlantis]

that's what I call brainwashed!

[genericname85]

well plus specifically in america the education budget gets cut year after year to fight another war... it's a downward spiral.

[MyAtlantis]

Yeah... it can only get worse

[Political_dude]

Thank God I'm not American 😅

[genericname85]

xD me neither :D

[Krumpir]

Neither of those are "crime words". If you are offended by those words, you are weak and deserve to be called that.

[genericname85]

you're not correct. using the wrong pronoun is by law a crime in the state of new york and i don't know how many others. using the word n** is not a crime defined by law.

[genericname85]

i mean what you just said is common sense but the law says otherwise xD

[Krumpir]

Well I did not realize you live in a shithole called USA where me calling you "wrong pronoun" ends up with me being guilty by law... LING LIVE CONSERVATIVE COUNTRIES!!

[Krumpir]

Long live*

[genericname85]

haha i don't live there luckily :D but the media i consume are mostly from over there XD

[HaveNoName]

Because it is more politically appropriate to refer to them as "it".

[genericname85]

the thing is that you have to abide by their choosing. if they chose the pronoun it for themselfes, you're now legally bound to refer to them as "it" xD

[Anonymous]

The black race will never be truly equal in everyone’s mine
There will always be hate for the black race regardless...

& I have no explanation as to why America is this way

[genericname85]

well there are countries where it's the other way around xD so it's at least fair i guess? ^^

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Unbe-fucking-lievable.

[LegateLanius]

They're nuts.

[genericname85]

yup. that's what i thought.

[Whyte_Myke]

I try not to associate with them there all idiots

[genericname85]

xD well the law still forces you to do that pronoun bullshit if you live in NY

[Whyte_Myke]

Very sad

[CT_CD]

That's interesting