@wankiam If you read your history books you'd realise that Germany declared war on the United States and before that they declared war on their former ally the Soviet union.
Imports were done through vladivostock too and Japanese Imperial Navy couldnt do anything to risk war with the USSR to counter it. The non aggression pact between the USSR and Japan saved Japan early on in the war
Not popular and the supply chain still delivered lots of munitions, artillety and guns for the USSR and even then had to send their soldiers to the meat grinder "Not one step back"
@disgustingweebtrash well again we see things differently so no surprise there... i do feel none of it actually has any thing to do with the original askers question though... i mean do you think the eu is some how a modern dictatorship or meerly a huge trading block that threatens america?
It is threatening individual sovereignty of nations. A European Union is not going to be as easy as a United States of America. Partly because the USA has been a union of states since its conception. If any member state in Europe has too much power it threatens the balance however if it was united it could threaten the US but because of ideological, linguist and economic difference it could not last.
@disgustingweebtrash see i dont buy that sovereignty argument because i think the uk has benefited massively from some decissions made outside the uk like workers rights, food standards, health and safety and such but i still feel pride when lewis wins a grandprix or our scientists discover something new etc. i personally feel less favourably about britain sinse the brexit vote but i know we dont agree on that so dont feel the need to argue the point. we have been there before and neither of us are going to change our minds
Those rights and standards can be instated under the correct government here ourselves, brexit will happen and we have to buckle our belts and do the best to persuade others to follow suit
@disgustingweebtrash yeah... what bothers me is the likes of boris and rees mog dont give a shit about the little people and will use it to run roughshod over us all but gladly i won't be around for that
@wankiam America was uninvolved in the war in Europe until after pearl harbour. War aid was sent to the soviet union via the Arctic Convoys, the Persian Corridor, and the Pacific Route. Some 3,964,000 tons of goods were shipped by the Arctic route; 7% was lost, while 93% arrived safely. This constituted some 23% of the total aid to the USSR during the war. The Persian Corridor was the longest route, and was not fully operational until mid-1942. Thereafter it saw the passage of 4,160,000 tons of goods, 27% of the total. The Pacific Route opened in August 1941, but was affected by the start of hostilities between Japan and the US; after December 1941, only Soviet ships could be used, and, as Japan and the USSR observed a strict neutrality towards each other, only non-military goods could be transported. Nevertheless, some 8,244,000 tons of goods went by this route, 50% of the total.
@wankiam In total, the U. S. deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386 of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);11,400 aircraft (4,719 of which were Bell P-39 Airacobras) and 1.75 million tons of food. Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94% coming from the US. For comparison, a total of 22 million tons landed in Europe to supply American forces from January 1942 to May 1945. It has been estimated that American deliveries to the USSR through the Persian Corridor alone were sufficient, by US Army standards, to maintain sixty combat divisions in the line.
@wankiam The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the High-octane aviation fuel, 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic production. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars.
@wankiam In June 1941, within weeks of the German invasion of the USSR, the first British aid convoy set off along the dangerous Arctic sea route to Murmansk, arriving in September. It carried 40 Hawker Hurricanes along with 550 mechanics and pilots of No. 151 Wing to provide immediate air defence of the port and to train Soviet pilots. The convoy was the first of many convoys to Murmansk and Archangelsk in what became known as the Arctic convoys, the returning ships carried the gold that the USSR was using to pay the US. By the end of 1941, early shipments of Matilda, Valentine and Tetrarch tanks represented only 6.5% of total Soviet tank production but over 25% of medium and heavy tanks produced for the Red Army. The British tanks first saw action with the 138 Independent Tank Battalion in the Volga Reservoir on 20 November 1941. Lend-Lease tanks constituted 30 to 40 percent of heavy and medium tank strength before Moscow at the beginning of December 1941.
@wankiam Significant numbers of British Churchill, Matilda and Valentine tanks were shipped to the USSR. Between June 1941 and May 1945, Britain delivered to the USSR: 3,000+ Hurricanes 4,000+ other aircraft 27 naval vessels 5,218 tanks (including 1,380 Valentines from Canada) 5,000+ anti-tank guns 4,020 ambulances and trucks 323 machinery trucks (mobile vehicle workshops equipped with generators and all the welding and power tools required to perform heavy servicing) 1,212 Universal Carriers and Loyd Carriers (with another 1,348 from Canada ) 1,721 motorcycles £1.15bn worth of aircraft engines 1,474 radar sets 4,338 radio sets 600 naval radar and sonar sets Hundreds of naval guns 15 million pairs of boots In total 4 million tonnes of war material including food and medical supplies were delivered. The munitions totaled £308m (not including naval munitions supplied), the food and raw materials totaled £120m in 1946 index.
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More like the successor state to the Soviet Union
EUSSR is more accurate
We should declare war on Germany
last time we did russia won but i doubt your history books show that
@wankiam If you read your history books you'd realise that Germany declared war on the United States and before that they declared war on their former ally the Soviet union.
yeah forced to do so by endless American provocation
If you knew any actual history you would know the union of soviet shit republics would have lost to germany without the lend lease act
@disgustingweebtrash i do know about that and the fact that the supply chain was broken by the germans but russia still was first in berlin
Supply chain from the pacific was broken by Germany? LUL
@disgustingweebtrash it didn't go west and the chain was broken above finland and norway
Imports were done through vladivostock too and Japanese Imperial Navy couldnt do anything to risk war with the USSR to counter it. The non aggression pact between the USSR and Japan saved Japan early on in the war
@disgustingweebtrash it wasn't a popular route though because of the land distance between vladivostok and the western front
Not popular and the supply chain still delivered lots of munitions, artillety and guns for the USSR and even then had to send their soldiers to the meat grinder "Not one step back"
@disgustingweebtrash well again we see things differently so no surprise there... i do feel none of it actually has any thing to do with the original askers question though... i mean do you think the eu is some how a modern dictatorship or meerly a huge trading block that threatens america?
It is threatening individual sovereignty of nations. A European Union is not going to be as easy as a United States of America. Partly because the USA has been a union of states since its conception. If any member state in Europe has too much power it threatens the balance however if it was united it could threaten the US but because of ideological, linguist and economic difference it could not last.
@disgustingweebtrash see i dont buy that sovereignty argument because i think the uk has benefited massively from some decissions made outside the uk like workers rights, food standards, health and safety and such but i still feel pride when lewis wins a grandprix or our scientists discover something new etc. i personally feel less favourably about britain sinse the brexit vote but i know we dont agree on that so dont feel the need to argue the point. we have been there before and neither of us are going to change our minds
Those rights and standards can be instated under the correct government here ourselves, brexit will happen and we have to buckle our belts and do the best to persuade others to follow suit
@disgustingweebtrash yeah... what bothers me is the likes of boris and rees mog dont give a shit about the little people and will use it to run roughshod over us all but gladly i won't be around for that
I dont like any politicians in Westminster anyway
This turned into a weird discussion, still though Germany should be nuked
@wankiam America was uninvolved in the war in Europe until after pearl harbour.
War aid was sent to the soviet union via the Arctic Convoys, the Persian Corridor, and the Pacific Route.
Some 3,964,000 tons of goods were shipped by the Arctic route; 7% was lost, while 93% arrived safely. This constituted some 23% of the total aid to the USSR during the war.
The Persian Corridor was the longest route, and was not fully operational until mid-1942. Thereafter it saw the passage of 4,160,000 tons of goods, 27% of the total.
The Pacific Route opened in August 1941, but was affected by the start of hostilities between Japan and the US; after December 1941, only Soviet ships could be used, and, as Japan and the USSR observed a strict neutrality towards each other, only non-military goods could be transported. Nevertheless, some 8,244,000 tons of goods went by this route, 50% of the total.
@wankiam In total, the U. S. deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386 of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);11,400 aircraft (4,719 of which were Bell P-39 Airacobras) and 1.75 million tons of food.
Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94% coming from the US. For comparison, a total of 22 million tons landed in Europe to supply American forces from January 1942 to May 1945. It has been estimated that American deliveries to the USSR through the Persian Corridor alone were sufficient, by US Army standards, to maintain sixty combat divisions in the line.
@wankiam The United States delivered to the Soviet Union from October 1, 1941 to May 31, 1945 the following: 427,284 trucks, 13,303 combat vehicles, 35,170 motorcycles, 2,328 ordnance service vehicles, 2,670,371 tons of petroleum products (gasoline and oil) or 57.8 percent of the High-octane aviation fuel, 4,478,116 tons of foodstuffs (canned meats, sugar, flour, salt, etc.), 1,911 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 9,920 flat cars, 1,000 dump cars, 120 tank cars, and 35 heavy machinery cars. Provided ordnance goods (ammunition, artillery shells, mines, assorted explosives) amounted to 53 percent of total domestic production. One item typical of many was a tire plant that was lifted bodily from the Ford Company's River Rouge Plant and transferred to the USSR. The 1947 money value of the supplies and services amounted to about eleven billion dollars.
@wankiam In June 1941, within weeks of the German invasion of the USSR, the first British aid convoy set off along the dangerous Arctic sea route to Murmansk, arriving in September. It carried 40 Hawker Hurricanes along with 550 mechanics and pilots of No. 151 Wing to provide immediate air defence of the port and to train Soviet pilots. The convoy was the first of many convoys to Murmansk and Archangelsk in what became known as the Arctic convoys, the returning ships carried the gold that the USSR was using to pay the US.
By the end of 1941, early shipments of Matilda, Valentine and Tetrarch tanks represented only 6.5% of total Soviet tank production but over 25% of medium and heavy tanks produced for the Red Army. The British tanks first saw action with the 138 Independent Tank Battalion in the Volga Reservoir on 20 November 1941. Lend-Lease tanks constituted 30 to 40 percent of heavy and medium tank strength before Moscow at the beginning of December 1941.
@wankiam Significant numbers of British Churchill, Matilda and Valentine tanks were shipped to the USSR.
Between June 1941 and May 1945, Britain delivered to the USSR:
3,000+ Hurricanes
4,000+ other aircraft
27 naval vessels
5,218 tanks (including 1,380 Valentines from Canada)
5,000+ anti-tank guns
4,020 ambulances and trucks
323 machinery trucks (mobile vehicle workshops equipped with generators and all the welding and power tools required to perform heavy servicing)
1,212 Universal Carriers and Loyd Carriers (with another 1,348 from Canada )
1,721 motorcycles
£1.15bn worth of aircraft engines
1,474 radar sets
4,338 radio sets
600 naval radar and sonar sets
Hundreds of naval guns
15 million pairs of boots
In total 4 million tonnes of war material including food and medical supplies were delivered. The munitions totaled £308m (not including naval munitions supplied), the food and raw materials totaled £120m in 1946 index.
@wankiam Military Supplies Agreement of 27 June 1942, military aid sent from Britain to the Soviet Union during the war was entirely free of charge.
When you put it that way it is kind of eerie
Yes it is and its the one world order
No, you're just a whiner and loser.
How so?
Well it's getting there
Uuuh I have no idea
Imagine letting g*rmans run Europe
Uhhh. they already are?
europoors eternally dumbed
Merkrel is trying to run Europe through the EU and break down national borders.
(((Germans)))
I dunno. :)
LOLZ