I recently came across this article about people harassing Brie Larson for her role in Captain Marvel. People were saying that she looks too "wooden" and should smile more. In response, Brie photoshopped smiles onto male superhero faces to demonstrate how stupid it looks for superheroes to smile.
Basically, the article claims that it's "sexist" to tell women to smile and even goes as far as to say it is a "very common form of harassment that objectifies women." So I'm wondering, do you agree or disagree that telling women to smile objectifies them and is offensive? What do you think?
Yes, telling women to smile is just another form of objectification
No, it isn't that deep
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Is telling girls to smile a form of objectification?
2) A friend of mine is a pretty depressing person. But I am attached to him emotionally, we are school buddies, I can't let him go like that. I used to tell him to smile. Not anymore, because I gave up hope. But whatever. I told him to smile because I hoped he would feel more welcome, or be more part of society. Smiling at people when you don't feel like it, to me, is not about me. I don't want to smile all the time. But when I make eye contact with a person on the subway, or on the street, or in a bar - even if I don't want to, I force a smile on my ugly face in the hopes that I might make their day a bit better. You don't always have to smile because you feel good - but to make OTHERS feel welcome. And maybe they'll reciprocate your gesture.
So my advice to Miss Larson is to get over herself, and stop thinking this is about her. When I say I want her to emote, and in this particular case, smile in a movie, I say it because I expect this from her as an actor. I pay a lot of money to see your stupid movie - the least you can do is make me feel like I am not supposed to root for a fucking droid.
Thank you for your understanding, Bree. Now go back to Tumblr, and post about how you are oppressed.
WITF has this world come to? 50% of the population is running around looking for excuses to "correct" or reproach the other 50% so they can feel some smugness as they believe they occupy the moral high ground. How does any of this nonsense make us a better civilization? How does any of this nonsense help us thrive as a species?
This is just simple and unadulterated happy horse shit!
Trying to correct what can be better is how society's improve, being complacent slows down progress which is obviously inevitable. So why not try to make things better materialistically and morally i don't get it
@SoccerKing88 You are operating with the woefully inadequate assumption that your morality "must be" better so it should be imposed on others. Additionally, that mentality is hypocritical because these same people who want to improve the world by extinguishing "unacceptable thoughts" will say that they want to increase diversity and tolerance for others.
I have always been told to smile by guys alone and it's always when I'm in the middle of doing nothing like walking down the street, at the butchers, sitting on a bench---do you know how creepy that would be to just be walking around randomly just smiling at nothing?!? Why at 3pm in the middle of the day through no interaction with anyone would I need to smile, and why would I be just smiling at a stranger I'd never met before who randomly approached me---and told me to smile? That's weird. I don't tend to entertain this request, but I don't find it objectifying if it's a one time ask----but it is the insistent ones that ask 2, 3, 4 times, like come on, smile for me, or let me see that pretty smile, that do fall into that objectification category, because I'm not there to entertain some stranger's wishes. That's right up there with do a turn for me, or dance for me---do we ask that of strangers?
No. Why do people have to look at it as telling "girls" to smile? Why not people? As if guys never get told to smile. I always say it to my guy friends when they're feeling down, or when I'm mocking them to annoy them even more, I do the same thing to my friends who are girls and they all do the same to me.
It's just a fun thing to say.
I'm liberal, but political correctness is going mad.
I'm center left... also agree political correctness is going mad. Plus I try not to smile in all pics and I ALWAYS get asked to smile. I don't think it has anything at all to do with gender.
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in some cases probably. in other cases not necessarily. i've been told to smile on numerous occasions well i don't there was any sexist notion behind it
i don't think we can say concretely what is the intent of the comment or suggestion is in all cases
The discussion is nonsense. So here is a great poem somehow related
Charles Bukowski a smile to remember
we had the goldfish and they went around and around in the bowl on the table near the purple drapes across our front picture window and my mother, poor fish, always smiling, wanting to appear happy, she always told me, "be happy, Henry," and she was right: it's better to be happy if you can be but my father beat her two or three times a week while raging through his 6 foot two frame because he couldn't defeat what was attacking him.
my mother, poor fish, poor goldfish, poor nothing fish, wanting to be happy, being beaten two or three times a week and telling me to be happy: "Henry, smile! why don't you smile?
and then, she always did to show me how, and it was the saddest smile I ever saw upon the earth, like hell and hell and hell and hell, and nothing else
one day all the goldfish died, all five of them, they floated on top of the water, on their sides, the eye on each top side still open, and when my father got home he threw them to the cat there on the kitchen floor and we watched as my mother smiled
*Brie photoshopped smiles onto male superhero faces to demonstrate how stupid it looks for superheroes to smile. * BITCH PLEASE !
first of all, the people who are harassing that captain marvel character that she should smile more, are stupid, because the story line of that movie is supposed to make her look serious, second, whoever thinks that superhero's smiling is stupid, is plain RETARDED !
No, I think it's obviously not objectification and I think to believe that it is you need to be lacking in certain social/cognitive faculties.
It's meant to be a cute request. It's interesting how so many guys come up with the same idea on their own. When I first started making an effort with girls I thought it was cute. I felt that if a girl asked me to smile, me immediate reflex would be to try and not do but thinking about trying not to do it would make me laugh or smile anyway. That's what I thought would happen if I asked a girl to smile, it's how I saw myself responding and I would have liked it but apparently it just doesn't fly with girls. Although I've never asked a girl to smile like that because shortly after thinking it up I heard about girls complaining about being asked to smile.
Fine, I guess girls don't share the reaction guys think they would have, whatever. But to think it's objectification is ridiculous. At least for me, it would have been the opposite; I hoped you'd appreciate the same things as me. If there's any objectification going on it's in the assumption that men are objectifying women by asking them to smile.
media.giphy.com/media/tZiLOffTNGoak/giphy.gif I don't know about it being objectification but I hate it when guys tell a random girl to smile or say "you should smile more". It's so f***ing corny and cringe af. If you think someone should smile then make them smile by paying them a complement. It's easy to make a girl smile if you're a f***ing clown.
Or just mind your god damn business, maybe their dad died, you never know.
These leftist should stop policing these things for once and should stop taking offense where no offense is given. If you tell a girl to smile for that is ADVICE to help the girl in her life. Smiling is attractive, will make people approach you friendlier, will make you seem like a nice friendly person and increases your chances in the dating field. If you don't do it often and it makes you seem cold its a perfectly valid thing to recommend someone to cheer up and smile more often. The person is free to do it or reject the advice, but thats what it is just advice. Its not objectification, its not a requirement, and it shouldn't be condemned or policed. Its just someone pointing out an improvement that can be made if the person desires to accept it.
Only crybabies object to otherwise perfectly kind interjections like that. I sometimes wish more men cared enough to fight back. If women were constantly berated and deconstructed for their own behaviors that they think are perfectly "nice," they might actually stop and think before they bitch about stoopid shit. Example: giving a guy a bogus number or giving him your number but never accepting or returning his calls is NOT a nice way to reject him. Be woman enough to say, "Sorry I'm not interested," and walk away. Just imagine if you faced jail time for that "perfectly nice" behavior. Then think twice or even three times before you levy some ridiculous accusations.
@MikeAndMolly I didn't say either one was JUSTIFIED, but to punish and vilify only ONE and let the other one run absolutely fucking rampant to the point that everybody thinks the fabric of society is being weakened, you know, I'm just saying that's bad.
So it's not two wrongs making a right, it's, "don't ask me to stop my wrong until you stop yours."
OMG > Next there going to say is it sexist to brush your teeth before her in the morning. Its sexist to use the bathroom before her. Oh its sexist to Sneeze in her direction. Its sexist to Ask her if she needs cream in her coffee > LETS Get Real people. How hard is it to just wake up go to work do your job have a hi and by conversation with people you see daily , go home take off your clothes go to bed. And the in between stuff gets left out. Why cause don't we already have enough to deal with in our lives our kids need attention our husbands wife's animals all before leaving the house. and you woke 30 mins early to have enough time to leave with out driving fast. Then you get to work people standing at the door of the bathroom that was being used by your kid. Lets just take a step back and enjoy life and not worry so much about what BUGS you
No. It's not a form of objectification. It's a case of entitlement - men feeling like they're entitled to tell people how to act and what to do. You know why women never approach strange men in the streets to tell them they'd look better if they just smile? That's because women, in general, don't have that enormous sense of entitlement that a significant proportion of men have. Another example of a gross sense of self-entitlement would be if a man decided to tell a group of women, whether strangers or acquaintances or friends that he "doesn't like women who wear make-up" when his opinion was never solicited.
"That's because women, in general, don't have that enormous sense of entitlement that a significant proportion of men have." Oh, so it is entitlement when women don't like it. Let me tell you something. The same men who approach her, and sweep her off her leg, the confident guys, are the same ones who tell her to smile. Women expect men to be strong and confident - but god forbid he actually exercise his confidence to make others, or himself, feel better - then we have to break his pride down and call him a disgusting, entitled asshole.
Grow up please. It's not entitlement to kindly ask people to smile because that makes the world a better place.
by the way talk about entitlement - how entitled do you have to be to deny happiness and the feeling of welcomeness from people around you just because you don't want to smile now? I see a kid, a dog, a stressed mother with a baby cart, a tired construction worker at the end of his shift - I smile at them. That's the fucking least you can do.
Specifically telling women to, yes but in fairness I think people do it mostly to both genders and it is not objectification for example in the How Do I Look section you might see what you think?, which pic? etc and a lot people will say relax more maybe smile to give a better pic but it does seem to be for the majority directed at both genders. Lastly I will just say that specifically saying it to women is most likely not intentional objectification but it is a little bit - Think back to when the N word was everyday language, unintentional racism but still racist.
I think she's over thinking it. People simply look better when they smile. I'm guily of this. People often tell me to smile, and my response is "Give me something to smile about, and I'll blind you with my smile." I get that heroes have a lot of responsibility but it doesn't mean that they can't smile. There are plenty of heroes that smile even in the face adversity. No one is saying because she's female that she has to smile. That's just ignorant and small thinking. It's not objective at all. Like I mentioned earlier, people just look better when they smile.
Of course, everyone in 2018 finds everything offensive. 'Smiling' is not a form of objectification towards any woman or any gender preference. Think about it, if a man was told to smile then it would not be objectification but rules have been set differently now in 2018 when 'equality' is more important than 3rd world problems like Starvation, homelessness and war. If a woman is told to smile when she isn't then it's just common decency to smile in a picture because smiling is an appropriate term to look socially acceptable.
I think this is just an America thing. As an European who’s both grown up and traveled around this continent, I’ve never been told to smile. Suddenly, when I went to America couple months ago... On my way my hotel, literally 2 guys told me to smile. Why? I didn’t get offended per say, just incredibly taken back. Why are random strangers telling me to express happiness? And I’m telling you, after a twelve hour flight into a different time zone, no one is happy.
Yes, I get told often that how I should smile more, how I don't smile enough, my friends joke often about how intimidating I seemed to them when they didn't know me well enough just because "I didn't smile enough", I did not even understand till late teens (around 16 or 17) that I was getting to listen to all that for BEING A GIRL & NOT SMILING when a sincere guy friend of mine told me what they all always actually meant & I was shocked, so, since that day I find it objectifying & I really find it foolish to smile for no reason & I still don't "Smile enough",
Soon , men will be accused of sexual harassment or of being sexist if they just look at a woman in passing. Society has a warped way of thinking these days.
Anyone who thinks that's sexist obviously has a screw missing
" Soon , men will be accused of sexual harassment or of being sexist if they just look at a woman in passing." It's already happening , " society " is warped because those that are REALLY in power are playing " Divide and Rule " , it's deliberate toxic social engineering.
i think it does depend on the setting and how it is said. i would think the stereotypical "you'd be prettier if you smiled" line could be considered kind of sexist, but if it's a more general "you look nice when you smile you should smile more" kind of comment i don't think there really is a problem
It is a form of objectification. It’s another rude and entitled version of saying “in order to attract me, you need to do xyz” you never hear dudes making a fuss about male heroes. But I don’t think sexist is the word necessarily. However, it’s definitely a condescending mindset that in order to take a female superhero seriously, she must have a “feminine” attractiveness that overshadows her tough exterior.
Are you told that by strangers though? It seems guys get told that by family or friends or girls and people they know. Whereas, girls and women more often deal with this or can deal with this from guys on walking down the street or don't know the girl and telling her she should smile. So it seems benign but often what women more often have to deal with, whether cat callled or told to smile, that us guys don't deal with
@brennanhuff yes guys do get told by strangers there's been encounters where my dad and older brother constantly get told to smile by strangers cause they always look so down, even though they could just be chilling. Thing is this is not a woman "problem" and it's not a problem at all. women seriously need to get over themselves.
It really depends on the circumstance. If it's dating advice, then that's good. But if she's busy doing something serious, and someone tells her that she should smile more, it's kind of ridiculous. I read the article that you pointed out, and Larson has a good point. For some reason, seriousness is considered masculine.
It is kinda a form of objectification but lots of things are, but this is super dumb what kinda idiots compalin about a super hero not smileing. This whole thing is daft i am with brie that she shouldn't smile if she don't want to.
And this is definatly harrasment but not sexism. But who ever said that she should smile should get people hating them for been dumb and on the same level as if they were sexist.
What in the fuck? So if a girl tells me I should smile more (which they have many times in my life) that means they're objectifying me? When I tell a girl they should smile more I generally mean that they currently have a somewhat depressing vibe or it's to help them socialize.
Well it is demeaning unless their is a damn good context (i. e. being in a role that requires positive vibes). If someone told me to smile more I would feel like punching them in the face. I smile when I feel happy, and I don't smile when I don't. Telling someone to smile doesn't respect their reasons for not smiling. It turns them into an ornament or a decoration. And yeah, women feel this more accutely than men because they are often ornamentalised.
whatever it is, it's so annoying and done by the most annoying type of men. >.> why would anyone care enough about a stranger's lack of a smile... and then have the audacity to walk up to me with that bull... go step on a lego weird man. Let me walk rbf and all.
I wouldn't usually call it objectification but there is something annoying about it. Why? Why should I smile unless I want to? It's just usually said in a condescending way. Like "you should smile so you look prettier for me!"
No, weirdo. But sometimes, it's not like that at all.
I don't see it as objectification, but I do think it's stupid. I hate it when someone tells me to smile in pictures, especially when they saw only one picture of me. I don't walk around with a smile on my face all day, so I see no point in smiling in every picture, especially if I don't feel like it. Do I have to pretend i'm happy or what? If you take picture of me when I am smiling it's a different thing.
I am like the least PC person ever but I do feel like it's objectifying, like we're supposed to fit into a certain stereotype to be pleasing. I have major resting bitch face & am often told to smile. It's one of the things I hate most. Besides, who just stands around smiling at nothing?
Rolls eyes... everything is the patriarchy nowadays. Photoshopping smiles onto female superheros out of a smiling context is also stupid looking. ... this is just another far reaching idea of oppression that views it through the lense of a one way street. If anyone is 'offended' by being asked to smile, male or female, I hope their single for the rest of their life.
Telling someone to smile in general. Honestly just fuck off. I've had people tell me to smile before and I mean, that's like finding a mine and just stepping on it because you fancy it. They're probably not smiling for a reason and you saying "smile" ain't gonna fucking help is it.
I mean, I would definitely take it as objectifying if a random street guy comes over and tell me to smile and all in an awkward manner. So yes sometimes it can be objectifying. I actually an going through a terrible time now and if a random dude who belongs in the manhole comes to me telling me to smile I'd punch him in the face tbh.
I fully agree with the larson article. I think if you pay attention to who you say needs to smile more it would almost always be to a woman. I know I used to say that... I had a coworker who didn't smile laughed plenty at jokes etc. but honestly it hit me like a ton of bricks that I would never think that of a female coworker
However people are mad because they simply cast someone 'plain' looking like Brie Larson and not Kim Kardashian or Jessica Alba to play Captain Marvel.
I mean come on. Can't we have average looking superhero for once? I didn't see anyone raising eyebrow Mark Ruffalo to play Hulk. He's also plain looking 🤷
People are mad because she doesn't seem heroic. Before the casting it was revealed people wanted Ronda Rousey. She is attractive but not in the slim Barbie doll.
If captian marvel bombs they will blame the fans for being sexist. Not that it was an awful movie (if it is) and they won't stop. She is the next Iron Man. Stronger than the hulk and more moral than Captian America as we've been told. She will be like the Superman movies basically boring and over powered and everyone will kiss her arse.
Brie Larson? Average looking? So you think THIS woman is average looking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrmWnFAHYE She's hot. It's just that she's a crazy SJW, and her costume sucks balls. Plus she can't act for shit. Plus the trailer sucks too. So the only thing we didn't complain about was her physical beauty.
@Benedek38 I don't like agreeing with you because I feel like you take things too far in the other direction but apart from your comment on the costume I can't disagree.
If you look at the difference between say captain America's costume then it's not a lot different. The problem is that the comic book character is god awful and they seem to be following that for the movie.
@Benedek38 I didn't say she's plain looking. I said I saw a lot of people complaining that she is. I find her to be far from it. I can't comment on her acting skills because I haven't watched any movie by her and the trailer was too short to make any judgement.
@Edanurus I never said it was better. It was objectively worse in design. But you mentioned Captain America. Here's his costume. This is from the set of the first Avengers movie, so this is objectively the worst possible photo - no lighting, no flexing, nothing: www.mensjournal.com/.../avengers4-5.jpg Ask yourself: What character trait does the costume enhance? Answer: Broad shoulders, and build upper body. Typically masculine traits.
@Edanurus Now let's look at Supergirl, an objectively really masculine superhero (very similar to Captain Marvel) in the TV show. www.fastcosplay.com/.../...tume-deluxe-version.jpg Eh, it's too "skimpy", you'll just say I am objectifying her. Oh, but there's EVIL supergirl! i.pinimg.com/.../...7c9cd00bf530be4ac89c28da39.jpg Now this surely isn't objectifying anyone. So, what are the physical traits of the character that the suit enhances? Wide hips, thin waist, shaped thighs, boobs. Accidentally, characteristics of the FEMALE body. Interesting, eh?
@Edanurus 1) Spandex beats fake leather. If you want to use leather - either use real leather, or use latex, or spandex, or something form-fitting - this looks like she's covered in the same material used for cheap Chinese Adidas knock-offs. 2) She has decent thighs... but the costume doesn't help a lot with the waist... And she has enormous shoulder pads. This creates an off balance costume. It is neither feminine, nor masculine - it's confused, somewhere in the middle. 3) MOst importantly, the suit doesn't attempt to really accentuate the beauty of the human body. Now, without wanting to start a conspiracy theory - Brie Larson is a social justice warrior. Feminist, body positivity, male gaze, whole package. Feminists are known for trying to hide the female body from the sight of men and wear deliberately confusing, neutral clothing and hair - short hair, ugly clothes, masculine makeup, etc...
@Edanurus I think the costume looks the way it does because Miss Larson couldn't keep her ideology to herself. Just for the record, this frumpy gender-neutral suit design isn't a single example - in the upcoming Antman sequel, Evangeline Lilly will look like THIS as the Wasp www.google.com/search Same things as with Captain Marvel. And by the way here's a great image showing the difference between the male and the female body on Miss Lilly and her boyfriend (?) I don't care enough to look it up. i.pinimg.com/.../...a76f0439754db9d8275025eccd.jpg The closer the costume gets to the look of that guy, the more confused the audience will be. Just saying.
Depends on the context and the environment. I remember i was at a club dressed up and everything and I was super pissed because i was waiting for my friends to finally get out so we can leave. I was standing in a corner minding my own buisness and some drunk guy decides he wants to walk into my personal space and tell me i need to smile. I think it’s silly that men think that they can tell a woman what to do with herself. I ignored him and walked away
Having a straight face is kind of my habit lol even though im not in a bad mood.. but i do smile when im talking to someone and is enjoying the company.
Anyway... i dont know why but i like it when a person tells me to smile more. For me, it’s like the person is cheering me up (and it does brighten my mood).. knowing someone wants to see me smile more is quite nice to be honest.
I think its more everyone, men and women, who get told to smile more. I personally hate it when I'm just casually walking by and people say "Smile, it's not that bad"... like wtf, how would you know it's not that bad anyway and yes I can be happy without smiling. It's more of a pet peeve, but some don't think its bad. However I personally never thought of it as sexist
Bro chill. Someone just wants to spread their happiness to you. Don't be a dick head about it. Shit like this is the reason why the world is so hateful nowadays.
@rarelambo I mean I don't get defensive towards them. Instead of telling me to smile directly, why not just smile yourself and say hello, that's what I do, and it always makes them smile. Maybe one of the reasons the world is so hateful nowadays is because some people are casually calling others dick heads.
My face’s default expression is best described as “disgruntled”. Therefore I am frequently told to smile by men and women alike. It’s annoying af, but I don’t feel objectified.
Maybe it’s because I’m male and don’t have experience being objectified myself, but I don’t understand how that passes for objectification and I don’t know how or why a woman would feel differently. If anyone can explain it, I’d be interested to know.
I wouldn't say it's objectification, but how often are men told to smile, be sweet, etc? It plays into the stereotypical gender roles. She was great in the movie whether she smiled or not.
@Edanurus That's what I meant... lol. And That's my point. You are told that. Why? Because of stereotypical gender roles. It's almost like an expectation that men are meant to be constantly scowling because they can't show any emotion. @Lloyd1985 You are and that's great. But you are one man. I've heard many debilitating things told towards men such as "Don't smile/cry/show emotion" as if men are automatons. I know that in certain occupations EVERYONE is told to smile because it is necessary. But otherwise, I hear men being told not to show anything about themselves at all.
Honestly? I think people should do what they want but I find men to be more attractive when they smile. Many women would agree.
@AuroraRoseat But that's untrue, iron Man isn't popular because he's stone faced. It's his charisma. It's not the lack of smiling it's the lack of charisma. I mentioned in another comment how Ronda Rousey was the fan favorite to play her. Because she shows strength and charisma. That's what makes a hero.
The problem with the trailer is she looked like her comic book counterpart and she isn't popular but she's going to be the new leader of the avengers and if she's the same then... she will be hated.
I'm glad you meant trailer but a strong female character with no charisma will just hurt the idea of female superheroes and after Wonder woman I think that captain marvel is going to hurt the cause of female superheroes.
I can't wait to see this movie flop. The Marvel movie department apparently won't learn what comicsgate has been telling Marvel Comics for years now - if you go woke, you go broke.
I don't see it as objectification. I do see it as unwanted harassment. I resent being told to smile. My facial expression is no one's business, but mine. My first reaction is to punch the gobshite in the mouth and tell them to smile. A few have suffered when they got me at a bad moment.
Who cares? See this right here is why I pray something happens and the whole world becomes Mad Max in real life. Then all the special snowflakes and retards will die off and the gene pool will be cleansed. Then we can start over and maybe have a world where questions like this aren’t asked and political correctness doesn’t exist.
Are you fucking serious i couldn't even take that seriously for real the concept is so ducking stupid that i really couldn't take it seriously i feel like more and more dumb women will make up any excuse as to target men these days i can't i swear and i don't mean you by the way i just mean women who complain over everything and then try to blame men for there fucking problems
It's not that deep. Can it be annoying? Most certainly. You don't know what a person is dealing with so it's not your place to tell them to smile. It gets quite annoying having strangers telling you what to do but I do not think that it qualifies as objectification.
What people get wrong is they think men objectify women but we don't, we admire women, we appreciate them. There's a massive different between objectifying and admiring.
Ok the problem here is that captain marvel is the epitome of pushing a character because of ideology. I was hoping the movies wouldn't go this way but they are doing.
I get what you mean by other superheroes not smiling but the real problem is that she has no emotion in any of the trailer. Bit like with the comic book counterpart if we don't see her as the next Tony Stark it because sexism. In the comics they wanted her to be the next Spiderman.
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Some advice for men:
Don't look anywhere on a woman except for her eyes. Never compliment them. Never pay any special attention to them. Never show interest in their mental or physical well-being. Never buy them drinks or take them on dates to try and win their affection. Don't give them advice on how to deal with problems. Treat them like equals: like men.
You will be much happier, healthier, and richer if you stop being concerned with women in general.
Or you can circumvent Feminist Derangement Syndrome altogether by recruiting from Latin America or East Asia. Then you can say: "I LIKE your boobs!" .. and she will take it as a compliment.
"Don't look anywhere on a woman except for her eyes." How DARE You! Do you just ASSUME you are entitled to harass her with your gaze? "Never compliment them." You misogynist pig! You don't want women to feel good in their bodies! Stop shaming! "Never pay any special attention to them." Women were oppressed for centuries - the problem won't fix itself. If you don't help women, you are a fucking bigot! "Never show interest in their mental or physical well-being." Not helping the oppressed actually makes you an accomplice to their oppression! You sexist pig! "Don't give them advice on how to deal with problems." So you want women to fail! Blatant sexism! "Treat them like equals: like men." Women are not merely men - they are so much more. They are mothers, and housewives, and freaks in the bed, and excellent cooks - SHOW RESPECT YOU MISOGYNIST!
Nothing is ever good enough. Why even bother making an effort for women? Put that effort into yourself and you'll actually have something to be proud of.
I think the problem with the statement is that your "telling" someone something. When did communication ever need to be about instructions and orders, why can't be democratize our minds to allow space for intelligent thought.
And when or who is allowed to tell you something, should men no longer give women advice about anything anymore.
It's like saying a girl's utility lays in being some kind of object to brighten up your day. *There's truth to that. Plus it's the most inanely stupid idiotic advice to life's myriad existential problems. *You must be a hoot at parties.
I don't care how her day is, and I don't want her to brighten up mine. But if she ruins mine with her fucking Resting Bitch Face, I think it is justified to tell her to quit it.
But it can go the same about men who are too serious can be perceived as boring There is nothing wrong or objectificating about people being more cheerful and lively
No. Smiling is a good way to judge character/personality, and it also goes for men as well. I find that if I smile, women are much more open to talking to me too... I though looking at inner beauty was the opposite of superficiality, or have times have changed?
If your doing pictures for them like a wedding day or such I dont think that it a bad thing to do. But if you are just walking up to a woman and say smile that would be odd.
Don't know if I'd call it "objectification," but it IS supremely annoying. TELLING people to be happy never works; it just makes them annoyed and angry.
This is funny, I've always thought it is just because men enjoy looking at a woman's face... enjoy... looking... Yeah, it's objectification, or at least pretty close to it.
I am thinking the same, especially when it comes to taking photos. It's not like I am walking with a smile on my face all day long, so why should I do it in every single picture?
@emmily2396 exactly the same... In my every school photo I jus have a straight face cos I didn't see the need to smile in photos.. I dont think smiles make a person look anymore than they usually do
Because it's a massive overreaction to something that's annoying but not meant in a rude or shitty manner. Being shitty to someone who was only mildly annoying to you is... well, shitty. And stupid. I don't know how to simplify that further.
@Anon-ymous1 and over reaction? I think it's jus the reaction of a take no shit kind of person... but if u wanna be the type of person who is like a door mag and let's people walk all over you and tell you when to smile or brush your teeth... then that is fine by me i guess
Well there's quite a difference between being a door mat and being a polite person. It is possible in this life to make your point without being an asshole.
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