Topfreedom Age Restrictions?

[theharlequin]

If topfreedom campaigns like #freethenipple are about desexualizing and normalizing female toplessness, should underaged girls be included, or should female toplessness be restricted to adult women?

In other words, should a 12 year old girl walk down the streets of your local neighborhood topless? Why or why not?

Keep in mind, if topfreedom is NOT about adult/sexual behavior or expression, there is no reason why children should not be included.

Underaged girls should be included without restrictions

It should only be allowed for adult women

Other (Opinion Below)

[runetune]

I don't support the idea in general because anyone walking around topless is sort of eww, though I do live in Britain so it's just there's rarely a good excuse to go around topless.
I don't think little girls should be campaigned for because focusing on the issue is sort of weird, but because young girls haven't developed most people never saw them sexually so it's sort of weird but not looked down upon to let a 0-8 year old girl be in an appropriate place like a beach or swimming pool with nipples showing anyway

[theharlequin]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on it.

I agree that pre-pubescent girls aren’t usually an issue. But for girls who have started developing, topfreedom advocates promote it as if it were more of a natural right to nakedness rather than a display of sexuality. They basically present the argument that developed women should be seen by the public just as pre-pubescent girls are seen - naturally rather than sexually. Many of their arguments appeal to this freedom of natural rights.

But if it is simply an issue of natural rights rather than a display of sexuality, the age of the girl in question should not matter.

Yet every time I ask this question to topfreedom advocates (idk if that includes you or not from your answer), they say that age in fact does matter, but they cannot give a reason based upon their own claims. That’s why I keep asking it.

[Amy_xyx]

I guess the point is to make it ok for boobs to be shown, so if a girl has boobs she should be allowed to be part of it!

[BornFree]

I find it sexist to make a woman to cover up

[theharlequin]

So you think that underaged girls should be included in top freedom?

[BornFree]

Their personal choice is up to them

[theharlequin]

I see. Well I appreciate your consistency with the claims.

[BornFree]

I hate to forbidden someone from making their own personal choice

[theharlequin]

I agree, but we all live in societies that restrict our choices in some way or another.

Personally, I don’t think any girl or woman should be in danger of imprisonment, fines, or a criminal record for going topless. But I also think women (or men) should have the common sense and decency to not expose themselves to other people. And I know that most won’t. But there are always that few who will and who will ruin it for everyone if laws don’t prohibit it.

[N192K001]

Who would find an infant girl's bare chest sexy?

[theharlequin]

How is a 12 year old an infant?

[N192K001]

She isn't.

I should have been clearer with the Addition: "There should be no age restriction. After all, who would find an infant girl's bare chest sexy?"

I thought that the 1st part would be obvious. Apparently not. Sorry for being unclear.

[N192K001]

Revision: "There should be no age restriction. After all, who would find an infant girl's bare chest sexy? As in, who would yell 'Immodest!' at a 2 year-old in diapers?"

[theharlequin]

I see. What about a 12 year old girl’s chest?

[N192K001]

Interesting thought-conundrum you put me into.

On principle, I should technically allow for it, since how someone else dresses should be none of my business (unless I'm the one paying for the clothes to be worn). Likewise, there seem to be no problems on the matter with indigenous peoples who were socialized accordingly. Apparently, even 1st-world societies (like in Europe) can apparently have a more lenient position on toplessness while staying civilized. And quite frankly, I'm tired with sexed-up society's mass-sexualization of stuff. A corrective mass-desensitization might be needed to re-balance society.

Yet, my socialization makes me hesitate to support this principled position definitively.

Personally, this isn't a major issue to me (hence my attempts to formulate a position on the spot, rather than already having a pre-determined, well thought-out posiiton). Also, we've already legalized adult toplessness in a vast majority of the U. S.

But, almost no one seems to be use it. If age restrictions were removed as well, I doubt it would make any difference either.

[djmzes]

Simple

[theharlequin]

I disagree. Facing threatening situations and answering difficult questions is a mark of maturity.

It’s immaturity that cannot or will not face them.

[djmzes]

I did answer
Will u let your daughters sister and wife walked topless?

[theharlequin]

I have no say over what my sisters do.

I wouldn’t marry a woman who would consider it.

I would raise my daughter to make the decision herself while realizing the fallacies and falsehoods involved.

And that’s why I presented this question, to point out the inconsistencies in the claims of topfreedom groups.

[djmzes]

U got ur answer...

[theharlequin]

Haha Ok, but you didn’t explain anything relevant

[djmzes]

I did... that up to you or anyone to figure it out

[theharlequin]

No it isn’t. If you have an opinion, it’s your responsibility to communicate it.

Frankly, any opinion I have to ‘figure out’ isn’t worth the effort.

[djmzes]

Up to you...
Cuz.. I just can make anyone realise something... that all...

[Soteris]

I honestly do not care. Its not like we have not done so before in human history so I do not see why it would not work again. Also if people are worried about perverts then the difference between topless or not is not really the problem.

[matchrestore]

The point of #freethenipple is that breasts are not sexual organs, and therefore don't need to be covered. If they aren't sexual organs, why would it matter if someone is of age or not?

[Anonymous]

If topfreedom campaigns like #freethenipple are about desexualizing and normalizing female toplessness, then underaged girls should be included because its the same as boys not wearing t shirts.

[FoghornLeghorn99]

If female toplessness is deemed nonsexual why would a girl of any age be excluded.

If a 12 year girl is still flat as a boy be allowed to go topless, shouldn't a 12 year old with huge breasts be allowed?

[Scarecrow13]

There should be no age restriction because it's not sexual.

[Anonymous]

Why is a 41yo man thinking about topless preteen girls?

[theharlequin]

I’m not. I’m thinking about the inconsistency in the claims of topfreedom groups who say that topfreedom isn’t about sexual expression.

[Hotguygirl]

No minors it not right to have under age girls , when they reach legal age 18 then fine

[SweetEvilKitty]

I would say allow adult women to do it.

[theharlequin]

Why only adult women? If it’s not a sexual expression, why should underaged girls be prohibited?

[SweetEvilKitty]

Its hard to convey why, but here is my thoughts due to the fact breasts are seen as sexual and will always be. Pedophiles would target more girls if they appeared like that. Adult women can decide for themselves though.

[IsenhowerJ]

ONly adult women should.

[theharlequin]

Why?

[IsenhowerJ]

Depending on context it may be seen as child pornography or endorsing the act. A child is still a child.

[theharlequin]

But topfreedom advocates claim that topfreedom isn’t an act of sexual expression.

They also claim that if someone perceives a topless girl/woman in a sexual way, that’s their problem and not the woman’s problem.

So again, I ask why? Why should underaged girls be restricted from topfreedom because of how other people perceive them?

[IsenhowerJ]

TBH, I could care less if a woman does or doesn't wear a bra, it is her choice. I am not forcing her to wear one and neither is society. As for the movement, I think this a more of an adult feminist complaint, so why get children involved in it in the rally?

[theharlequin]

Well this is about toplessness rather than bralessness. I encourage women to go braless for health reasons. Public toplessness is a very different issue.

The reason I like to ask this question is to point out that, despite the feminists’ claims that it isn’t about sexual expression, it in fact IS about sexual expression and just wanting the freedom to flaunt their tits in people’s faces without getting arrested for it. If it were not, it wouldn’t matter if little girls were included.

[IsenhowerJ]

Being topless as a woman is different. It can spread lust in men and will cause distractions among others, both good and bad from men and women. Plus, I do not hear any women complain about wearing a piece over her chest.

[LegateLanius]

#Freethenipple
is garbage. It shouldn't exist.

[theharlequin]

I agree. But for those who support it, this is a very difficult question to answer while remaining both ethically sound and consistent to the claims.

[KristenKT]

I mean I guess there should be no restriction