Is Roe vs. Wade unjust and unfair to men? (Page 2)
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You lost me when you felt the need to explain that Supreme Court rulings have legal ramifications.
just laying all out there is all
Men should be able to sign their rights away to the child if they wish. Right now a man is required to pay child support even if the mother doesn't want or need it.
... and in many cases even if the child is not his a man could still be liable for child support in many states. Hard to beleive but true.
believe*
@Texaskid1 Yeah I know, it is insane.
There are a lot of guys who feel they dodged a bullet on child support for a kid that got aborted. I dont see them as disadvantaged by it.
yeah but i just find it unfair a man has to pay for a private medical matter of the women yet gets no rights to that private matter you know like you dont even the right to know if the unborn baby is ok or to see a scan or know medical infomation about the pregnancy or be at the birth yet you are forced to pay even with out auto rights like the mother hell you dont even get a legal say in the name unless the women lets you
Actually. As a father, you do have rights. You are allowed to know if the baby is okay and you do have a right to see a scan and know any medical info about your baby.
Also. They don’t pay until the baby is born. They’re not paying while the woman is pregnant. Another note, once the baby is born, the father and mother must either make a custody agreement or they have a mediator give them a custody agreement that works for both. If both parents have the child for an equal amount of time (like the mom has the child one week and the dad has it the next) then NO ONE pays child support. ALSO, there’s a lot of single dads out there now in this modern age, so women also pay child support by the way. And I’d also like to point out that child support isn’t overly expensive. My father paid my mother $100 a month for TWO kids. That’s $50 a month per kid. A little over $10 a week, which is definitely not enough to support a child. Not even half a child’s expenses.
You’re obviously ignorant on the laws and how child support works.
Also. On your first sentence. The man doesn’t pay for the medical expenses. It falls on the patient. Which is the woman. Ignorance.
@Angie221994 no as you first point is bs as the man can only know ot be at them things with the mothers consent so no father dont have them rights plus yeah the father is made pay for pregnancy and birth expenses as Under Georgia law, each parent has a duty to provide for the maintenance, protection, and education of the child (OCGA § 19-7-2) - and yes, if and when you file a Petition for Paternity and Child Support, you can request reimbursement for certain costs in addition to child support from the biological father so why is that if he does not have too and another only the father is made to make a custody agreement as the mother get custody upon birth unlike the father who has to pay out his ass to go to court to get the same rights that where handed to the mother for free upon birth so tell me again how it is fair
Men should be able to sign their rights away, they can never get them back though.
yeah i agree all i want is fairness
I said no but I mean only kind of. The woman does bear the burnt but I agree about child support laws.
Women should have 100% say over and abortion. That can't be debated. I just think court ordered child support shouldn't be a thing.
i agree women should get 100% say in abortion but not at the cost of the mans freedom to choose
A man doesn't have to carry it around as a parasite for 9 months. No comparison.
so why should he pay for that parasite she choose to carry around with her
Then that would only make you a fully grown parasite.
@ThisAndThat but i do not use another persons body to live do i lol so how can i be a parasite and you fail to see is only the women had the choice then only she should pay for that choice not push it onto the man who never consented to it
This comment is for Zagor --> Then that would only make you a fully grown parasite.
@ThisAndThat No, I've moved past that life stage long ago.
Abortion should not be allowed and men should not be required to pay child support for children they did not father.
Roe vs Wade had nothing to do with child support payments.
kind of dose as by giving women a choice in having the baby or not you have to also give men a choice in if they want to support a child or not as roe vs wade said that a pregnancy is a private matter of the womens so why should a man pay for the private matter of the women or what that private matter makes
You're still conflating abortion with child support. If the fetus is aborted there's no child to support. According to your argument that's a good thing because the man doesn't have to pay.
and you still do not see that abortion is a way for women to get out of being forced into caring for a baby they did not consent to so i ask why is consent to sex consent to parenthood for men only
To be fair that's a completely different question.
no really as you say men consent to sex so he must have consent to being a parent and before abortion it was the same with the women but now that there is abotion that consent to parenthood was taken away in the womens case and change to consent to sex is not consent to parenthood but only in the womens case
That's not unfair to men though, it just reflects the fact that women get pregnant and men don't.
but then why make is basically a crime for men to have sex then as you fine them for having sex in the form of child support for a choice they did not make so lets say two people consent to sex why dose that only obilge only one person to be parenthood but not the both so again why should a man pay for a private medical matter of the women as in not other case would be allow this so why here say a women fed a man tons of food which then gave him say heart problems would we make the women pay for his medical treatment when they both consent to eat the food yet only he had he problem not him and i know you will pick my words apart but you must see my point on some level
hello fake female... try to be less transparent you flat out fail at deception
or try to be more fair to men and not make them pay for a choice women make
I think if a guy wants an abortion, but the females refuses then he shouldn't have to pay child support.
fully agree
Your body your choice, that's right so don't get pregnant in the first place
then her body her choice her responsibility
this was the law of the land until 2000-ish when she was asked to change her mind.
no matter what you do with your body, you have no right to tell others what they should and shouldn't do with their body. it's THEIR BODY, NOT YOURS
There are two bodies involved and only one gets a choice.
Think of it like conjoined twins but a vital organ is solely in the body of twin A... Their body their choice to break the conjoining connection, twin B has no say and just dies... Pretty twisted.
Nope. They aren't the ones carrying the child.
5 states have abolished abortion.
www.cbsnews.com/.../
Arkansas became the 5th in February.
Women rape men and use his seed to birth the baby. Why can't the man have a say in which woman can birth his seed. His sperm was his body.
Her body her choice.
Yeah but the girl's the one having unsafe sex knowing she can get pregnant, so it's be her fault, and if the baby has passed by 3 weeks already he shouldn't be paying for her mistakes.
her body her choice her responsibility then
Nope.
A body inside a body is not her body but another's body.
What about his body, his choice?
When a woman rapes a man and births his baby on stolen seed, he didn't have a say which woman got his seed or if he even wanted any woman to get it. Shouldn't be have a right then if he is raped?
He should take her to court in that case. But he doesn't decide whether she has an abortion or not. She should be taken to jail.
Yes, and therefore she should use her responsibility, and if she wants to abort, do it before 3 weeks, if the time has passed she should pay her responsibility, aborting afterwards is just running from it.
And the excuse that you don't want the child to grow into the world without a good salary and a stuff (which I totally get btw), doesn't justify taking her/his chance if making his own life.
Nah.
We all have different kinds of pain we put ourselves into, but we all gotta deal with em' one way or another.
If you feel like the baby shouldn't grow with you try adoption, you might just have a chance of giving the child an easier life then he might.
Yeah, no. b
Yeah because his body, his choice no longer applies once his sperm was forced out of his body?
So if a man raped a woman and forced her to give birth by tying her up, then since both are parents, they get equal rights in your scenario?
Nah isn't a good argument if I might add, this is a conversation, not s battle.
In some states, it's illegal to abort after heartbeat detection. 2 or 3 states.
Man you pro lifers really struggle with critical thinking skills.
A battle*
Did you know some women take their aborted fetuses home and barbeque them? I hear they taste good and make you look younger. Might try it at my next abortion.
I respect your opinion, otherwise I wouldn't give any argument what so ever.
I believe you are worth my time as a human being, but if your best answer is nah I might just be overestimating your cause
Kas19 are you a sociopath?
Nah. I just don't feel like arguing. I've had this conversation too many times to keep repeating myself.
No, I'm not a sociopath.
I see what you're saying and totally get you.
But if you're planning on having an argument you might just need to think of better answers than nah, yes, no, and that sociopathic sentence you wrote
A woman’s business is hers, and her
until it forces a man to pay for business
I bet that you are just a pissed off man
nope just a women who thinks it is unfair
You’re a man
no i am not just cuz i see something unfair to men that most women do not dose not mean i am a man so in your logic you are a man hater
You’re are a sad man. Our body OUR choice. Get over it.
your body your choice your responsibility then so no money from the man as why should a man pay for your private medical matter that made a child then and why dont you get over it as all you seem to want to do is make men pay for your choices yet give them no rights so you refuse to admit that it is unfair as you benefit from it but me on the other see that men need equal treatment and rights under the law plus you seem to be very hateful of men as you are ok with forcing them into doing something they do not want to with there body aks work to make surpport payments or go to jail which take there freedom away which you forced them into yet you have a tantrum at men get a equal say in if they want to be a parent or not do you have daddy issus as you seem to hold a great deal of anger towards men and fathers
Not going to argue with you Male you’ll never understand. Our body our choice. Simple.
Okay I'm pro-life but I used to be pro-choice, I can understand the my body my choice argument and I won't try and convince you out of it but I'm going to ask you this is it really just about the body? If it was just about your body then why wouldn't you support the ability of men to sign away their rights? That has nothing to do with your body at all. The reason you don't is it has nothing to do with your body, you're talking about your life which you believe you should have the choice over, well why shouldn't he?
All pro choice people aren’t smart. It’s our body our choice. We are the ones that have to survive for 9 months. Very simple.
I'd also like to say if it was about your body only, what about the body of the baby? What if that baby is a girl isn't it her body her choice?
And your argument makes no sense at all. Like I said. Pro choice people aren’t smart.
*Pro life lmao
Well let me simplify it for you.
You say 'Her body her choice' but that doesn't hold up, the asker here is making the point (I think) that men shouldn't have to pay for a child they didn't want, so should have the ability to sign away their rights. I don't see how your argument of her body her choice combats this at all as his life and money is not your body.
The second part I brought up was the baby has it's own body, therefore it is not your body so it is not your choice, I understand the argument as I used to be pro-choice but this argument is so obviously flawed and just doesn't fit the topic.
Do you understand now because I actually can't make it easier.
There is no simplification. Our body our choice. Simple.
so you still do not get it so i could say his money his choice simple
Not my body
so why should you pay for whay comes out of some else body plus i have nothing against abortion just that men have to pay for a womens choice