Your general point is true. The difference is that beauty matters more for women's relational and personal success in life. Sure, attractiveness helps a guy. But being unattractive does not hinder him as much.
I don't think that's true. Attractiveness is good for both sexes for success. If what you say is true, women are less capable than men and need to rely on their sex appeal to gain status.
Well, the media is not very kind to fat men, always showing them as bumbling cowardly or evil. In general people are less comfortable in their own skin.
I'm pretty sure it's worse for women though, because so much of their precived social value is related to looks for reproductive reasons.
I honestly feel like it's pretty equal on both sides. If this was 5 years ago then I would say that women have it harder but now I've noticed that men have really high expectations to when it comes to appearances
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Oh please! This is just so much crap! Some people are hotter than others--it's just a fact. Just like some people are smarter, more talented, richer, anything. Everyone has a choice--do the best you can with the hand you're dealt or while like a little bitch.
It's harmful because both men and women think the average is longer than has been measured (6" or more), so some men fear getting dumped for being below average (under 6").
Women are more concerned about their own image. Either way its not as bad as it seems because regular exercise is one of the greater determining factors of your mental health.
Men, easily. They always put these steroid junkies with photo shop on the magazines while they literally put a whale on the female cover of a magazine recently.
men obviously. cause the female idal body is easily achievable by just not eating like a landwhale. the mens idal body is impossible to achieve without at least 3 days of hard workout a week and micronutrient level diet plan.
"easily achieve" only a tiiiiny percentage of woman go and get plastic surgery, which is very expensive and not easily achievable. Most woman also work very hard for their body, not all woman go out and get plastic surgery/body enhancements.
Well to get booty injection doesn’t really cost that much, I checked. They also change their lips, I see it often. If they are poor they go to uncertified plastic surgeon that will do them how they want for a cheap price, later on they get infections and what else.
I wish everyone was the way they were born.
But yeah some women work out too, but you have to work really hard to achieve anything.
Physically: men because steroids and heavy weights Psychologically: women because men ARE attracted to physiology most. But it's also because girls take the body image stuff way too seriously.
Women expect their men to be larger and more massive, hence men kill themselves to get "big muscles". Guys are more likely to feel they are not "big enough. That research you used is skewed. Listen to what Men say.
I'm sorry but I would rather focus on actual research over anecdotal evidence. However, feel free to show me research that backs up your claims. I think this topic is very interesting and I'm opening to hearing everyone's thoughts and reading about research other people find.
It's common sense? Have you seen the "ideal male body"? Conan the Barbarian? You do realize that looking at some numbers and assuming what they mean, doesn't mean that YOU are an expert on the subject or know what are talking about at all. I can mention the percentage of Carbon in the atmosphere and say how we're all carbon based organisms. That doesn't mean one should conclude that the atmosphere is ONLY carbon when they quote me!
But anyway here, I guess this somehow makes my opinion valid.
Physically it seems harder for men, but psychologically it seems harder for women. Men need to do serious training, but some women try to loose weight in unhealthy ways to do it faster.
For men its much harder, im 6days a week in gym and i can't achieve my goal, but yet there are a lot girls who just hit gym for fun few times a week and still great.
Stop comparing yourselves to the men on the magazines, of course you're not going to look like them. Just like the woman's magazines - those photos are airbrushed and photoshopped, those are professional models who are on VERY strict diets and work out reigns.
Also woman do put a lot of effort into looking good too, which includes working out, don't stereotype 🙃
@Lauren-green yeah I know I can't look like the guys on the magazines, not without steroids. But women don't seem to know that. They say just workout, be muscular. But I was always very skinny with a narrow torso. I can never come close to that standard.
On the other hand girls only really have to dress well and not be fat and they will almost always be attractive. Working out is an option, not a must like it is with men. Most never know what it really takes to build muscle for years to even have a chance.
Lastly, men are attracted to about 60% of women (most of the rest don't take care of themselves). But women rate 80% of guys to be below average. So it's much harder to be attractive as a man. Yet it's women who constantly complain about beauty standards
Well men don't seem to understand that woman can't look like the models in magazines either! Or look like pornstars 😒
I think woman have a lot more expected of them to just "dress well and not be fat", I mean you wouldn't understand because you're not a woman but we feel a lot of pressure for things we can't naturally change. Guys expect certain shapes and sizes of our boobs, ass, lips, hips, legs, face etc. The only thing we can naturally control is our weight. I understand the same could be said to men, but due to the fashion and makeup industry woman are expected to have all these things perfect, with perfectly smooth skin and no hair everywhere apart from on our heads! The woman's fashion and makeup industry is a 550 billion industry, mens is only 100 and that's due to a large percentage of gay men as well!
Where are you getting that guys expect certain shapes from? You keep throwing this argument around and I dont see how ite true. I have not yet met any male to be so shallow to expect a woman to have very certain sizes in accordance with the beauty industry's standards.
The majority of men here are also saying women are expected to dress well and not be fat. Yes, they may need some make up too, but I haven't really seen any male here talk about women needing to be any particular size.
The stats about men I took from a poll somewhere on this forum and from my own experiences. Truth is if an average woman came to me for sex I'd be happy to oblige. I might not come running after her or approach her but if she comes to me and doesn't make problems I'd do it. Unlike when an average guy asks to have sex with a woman.
Women put so much attention to their looks because they want to be beautiful and be approached. If they just wanted sex then an average badly dressed woman could easily have it with most men, but that's not true the other way around
But also for men its not impossible to look good, for example my profile pic is taken before summer. I worked out sometimes 21days in a row and literally passed out in gym and that all shit took me to here where im now. But also there is other way to this body, take steroids and workout 10% like i did xd
Men. Because there is only one standard for "hot men", while we're told all the time to accept women for what they are, and the body positivity movement don't even care about men. If you're a men, either you're Chris Hemsworth, or you're shit.
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Your general point is true. The difference is that beauty matters more for women's relational and personal success in life. Sure, attractiveness helps a guy. But being unattractive does not hinder him as much.
I don't think that's true. Attractiveness is good for both sexes for success. If what you say is true, women are less capable than men and need to rely on their sex appeal to gain status.
Hinders his chances of reproducing
Women use makeup to deceive themselves and men into thinking they’re attractive
Well, the media is not very kind to fat men, always showing them as bumbling cowardly or evil. In general people are less comfortable in their own skin.
I'm pretty sure it's worse for women though, because so much of their precived social value is related to looks for reproductive reasons.
I honestly feel like it's pretty equal on both sides. If this was 5 years ago then I would say that women have it harder but now I've noticed that men have really high expectations to when it comes to appearances
Oh please! This is just so much crap! Some people are hotter than others--it's just a fact. Just like some people are smarter, more talented, richer, anything. Everyone has a choice--do the best you can with the hand you're dealt or while like a little bitch.
Loll
your example is irrelevant if not all, most magazine photographs are photoshopped!
sorry, but this is just so petty. what is with people trying to victimize themselves over stupid shit.
I live by a simple rule:
Ignore most people (and by extension, most media).
I can't be "harmed" by a body image I pay no attention to.
I think guys are harmed by porn because they have giant dicks
I thought that's the average
@J2ohhhhh 5.5” is average
It's harmful because both men and women think the average is longer than has been measured (6" or more), so some men fear getting dumped for being below average (under 6").
Rather have a small dick than have fat everywhere but in the ass and titties
i have a giant dick. just thought you'd be happy to hear
@morrowlow Congrats. Hope it sees you well.
Women are more concerned about their own image. Either way its not as bad as it seems because regular exercise is one of the greater determining factors of your mental health.
Men, easily. They always put these steroid junkies with photo shop on the magazines while they literally put a whale on the female cover of a magazine recently.
men obviously. cause the female idal body is easily achievable by just not eating like a landwhale. the mens idal body is impossible to achieve without at least 3 days of hard workout a week and micronutrient level diet plan.
Both... one word to defend my opinion. Guys have heman
I agree. Women can easily achieve “model shape” by plastic surgery while guys have to work hard.
Lol that's not even close to true.
"easily achieve" only a tiiiiny percentage of woman go and get plastic surgery, which is very expensive and not easily achievable. Most woman also work very hard for their body, not all woman go out and get plastic surgery/body enhancements.
Well to get booty injection doesn’t really cost that much, I checked. They also change their lips, I see it often. If they are poor they go to uncertified plastic surgeon that will do them how they want for a cheap price, later on they get infections and what else.
I wish everyone was the way they were born.
But yeah some women work out too, but you have to work really hard to achieve anything.
Physically: men because steroids and heavy weights
Psychologically: women because men ARE attracted to physiology most.
But it's also because girls take the body image stuff way too seriously.
I am beautiful but I was called ugly here by ugly men as well as women so I'd say women have it worse. Even the pretty girls are not spared.
Women expect their men to be larger and more massive, hence men kill themselves to get "big muscles". Guys are more likely to feel they are not "big enough. That research you used is skewed. Listen to what Men say.
@lumos
I'm sorry but I would rather focus on actual research over anecdotal evidence. However, feel free to show me research that backs up your claims. I think this topic is very interesting and I'm opening to hearing everyone's thoughts and reading about research other people find.
I'm open* to hearing
It's common sense? Have you seen the "ideal male body"? Conan the Barbarian? You do realize that looking at some numbers and assuming what they mean, doesn't mean that YOU are an expert on the subject or know what are talking about at all. I can mention the percentage of Carbon in the atmosphere and say how we're all carbon based organisms. That doesn't mean one should conclude that the atmosphere is ONLY carbon when they quote me!
But anyway here, I guess this somehow makes my opinion valid.
www.sbs.com.au/.../comment-we-need-talk-about-male-body-image
*or know what [you] are talking about*
And a better carbon example would be if an alien assumed based on stats and facts about carbon, that carbon is the vital thing we need to inhale.
Physically it seems harder for men, but psychologically it seems harder for women. Men need to do serious training, but some women try to loose weight in unhealthy ways to do it faster.
That is possible, sure.
For men its much harder, im 6days a week in gym and i can't achieve my goal, but yet there are a lot girls who just hit gym for fun few times a week and still great.
5 times a week with very heavy weights, working out since I was 16 and on a strict diet - I look nowhere near the guys on the magazines
Stop comparing yourselves to the men on the magazines, of course you're not going to look like them. Just like the woman's magazines - those photos are airbrushed and photoshopped, those are professional models who are on VERY strict diets and work out reigns.
Also woman do put a lot of effort into looking good too, which includes working out, don't stereotype 🙃
@Lauren-green yeah I know I can't look like the guys on the magazines, not without steroids. But women don't seem to know that. They say just workout, be muscular. But I was always very skinny with a narrow torso. I can never come close to that standard.
On the other hand girls only really have to dress well and not be fat and they will almost always be attractive. Working out is an option, not a must like it is with men. Most never know what it really takes to build muscle for years to even have a chance.
Lastly, men are attracted to about 60% of women (most of the rest don't take care of themselves). But women rate 80% of guys to be below average. So it's much harder to be attractive as a man. Yet it's women who constantly complain about beauty standards
Well men don't seem to understand that woman can't look like the models in magazines either! Or look like pornstars 😒
I think woman have a lot more expected of them to just "dress well and not be fat", I mean you wouldn't understand because you're not a woman but we feel a lot of pressure for things we can't naturally change. Guys expect certain shapes and sizes of our boobs, ass, lips, hips, legs, face etc. The only thing we can naturally control is our weight. I understand the same could be said to men, but due to the fashion and makeup industry woman are expected to have all these things perfect, with perfectly smooth skin and no hair everywhere apart from on our heads! The woman's fashion and makeup industry is a 550 billion industry, mens is only 100 and that's due to a large percentage of gay men as well!
Also where did you find those stats?
Where are you getting that guys expect certain shapes from? You keep throwing this argument around and I dont see how ite true. I have not yet met any male to be so shallow to expect a woman to have very certain sizes in accordance with the beauty industry's standards.
The majority of men here are also saying women are expected to dress well and not be fat. Yes, they may need some make up too, but I haven't really seen any male here talk about women needing to be any particular size.
@Lauren-green www.yourtango.com/.../women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study
The stats about men I took from a poll somewhere on this forum and from my own experiences. Truth is if an average woman came to me for sex I'd be happy to oblige. I might not come running after her or approach her but if she comes to me and doesn't make problems I'd do it. Unlike when an average guy asks to have sex with a woman.
Women put so much attention to their looks because they want to be beautiful and be approached. If they just wanted sex then an average badly dressed woman could easily have it with most men, but that's not true the other way around
But also for men its not impossible to look good, for example my profile pic is taken before summer. I worked out sometimes 21days in a row and literally passed out in gym and that all shit took me to here where im now. But also there is other way to this body, take steroids and workout 10% like i did xd
@gym4ever are you say it is impossible for women to look good? I dont understand what you were trying to say.
I'm not sure if I understand you. So do you use steroids or not?
Also what do you mean with this impossible thing, it's not impossible for women to look good either
i said for women its easy and for men not, and im not on steroids
Men. Because there is only one standard for "hot men", while we're told all the time to accept women for what they are, and the body positivity movement don't even care about men.
If you're a men, either you're Chris Hemsworth, or you're shit.
I would say men. Basically because we get mutilated right out of the womb for the sake of women's sexual preference.