In society today, what are feminine traits that are valued?

[michellebe2504]

These days, with feminism and all, it seems like only traditionally masculine traits are being valued. in my opinion feminism today is ironically a pretty masculine movement, because the message is conveyed that women can be strong, independent, confident etc. too, further pushing and hyping masculine qualities not feminine. So what are traits that I, as a woman can embrace, that are particularly feminine? In the 21th century you are advised to be structured, straightforward and make enough money, but again, those are all traditionally masculine traits. What are women particularly good for/ at other than making babies? I get that people of each gender have both masculine and feminine personality traits to them, but I‘m still convinced that most women are more connected to their feminine traits/ duties and likewise with men and masculine traits.

[VIVANT]

Concepts evolve over time. Traditional concepts written by men.. conveniently have “strength” as a male trait. Passivity as female. Lack of aggression dies not regal passivity. That outlook is very damaging. It leads to war.

Aggression is one quality. There are many kinds of force and being powerful does not mean one must be brash.

And, you pointed out, we are all a mix. It does not serve any purpose to acknowledge we are a mix , then insist on branding people.

There are many non aggressive behaviors that are valued and powerful. Confidence can be quiet dignity.

Independence can involve strength of character not being easily mislead

Strength can come in the form of unwavering conviction

I don’t think women and men face different traits. We may manifest same traits in different ways

Confidence strength humility nurturing wisdom fairness reason compassion toleration ambition patience empathy honesty discernment faith steadiness flexibility

These are all important and needed different it at different times, and they can be expressed in very different ways

Traditionally -understood -to -be -feminine traits -are valued every bit as much now, as in the past, by the right people.. they are just acknowledged openly as not belonging to any specific gender

[NoEstrogen]

Well said.

[MzAsh]

- Self interest
- Abundance mentality
- Strict sexual and relationship strategy
- High standards
- Solid boundaries
- You are the prize

[Djaay]

That's a how to stay singles check list.

[MzAsh]

You wish pal

[Djaay]

Wish what?

[DudeDiligence]

@Djaay Gotta agree with you, her list sounds like a great birth control method.

[MzAsh]

I’m very not single sooo...

[Djaay]

Dont flatter yourself , I'm very happily married myself. Although that wasn't my point.

[MzAsh]

Well thanks for your opinion.

[DudeDiligence]

There are exceptions to every rule, but the rule still holds true.

What you provided sounds like the list of someone who has been hurt in the past and is trying desperately not to get hurt again. And that's understandable, but it has absolutely nothing to do with femininity, and in fact women who are as strident as you seem to be are a big turn off to most men.

[DudeDiligence]

By the way, strident is the polar opposite of femininity.

[MzAsh]

Filtering out most men is exactly what that is designed to do. No woman needs to appease most men. She just needs one.

[DudeDiligence]

If your demeanor attracts a few men who will tolerate that sort of "femininity", and you are happy with that sort of man, then more power to you.

But the men most truly feminine women are after... strong, self assured, capable men who have a spine and know their value as a man... you will repel the vast majority of those men like a freshly waxed car repels water.

[MzAsh]

I agree to disagree.

[Djaay]

@DudeDiligence. She says this is a great way to weed through the garden of men...
Wait till she gets wind of our list for women.

[DudeDiligence]

@Djaay What is sad is that femininity is so incredibly powerful, and yet she has no clue how to harness that power or even what it looks like. Opportunity lost.

But it's common to see that sort of thing among women who have been hurt and are deeply scarred by it. They are so afraid to be vulnerable that they become hardened and cold and they lose everything that makes them women. It's sad, really.

[MzAsh]

We see how deathly afraid men are to be vulnerable and to be associated with anything feminine. And you wonder why women have abandoned it.

[MzAsh]

You SAY femininity is powerful but you behave as it is weak. We see you.

[DudeDiligence]

You're so wrong. Like every normal, masculine heterosexual man, I am irresistibly drawn to femininity. It has more power over me than anything. Real femininity turns men into putty and makes them want to treat you like gold and make you happy. Your brand of femininity turns men away.

[DudeDiligence]

Look, there are shitty people out there, both men and women, who will treat people like crap. If one of them hurts you and you allow that experience to define you, you have lost. Big time.

[Djaay]

I love and admire a strong woman , as long as her strength is through kindness. But it is mens falt for allowing our women world wide to become as displacent as they are today.

[MzAsh]

It turns low value men or “normal” men away, as intended.

My list mostly deals in vetting men properly. Never once did I say or insinuate anything about never being vulnerable. That was just assumed by you for some unexplained reason. I find joy in being vulnerable with my man because I know I can trust him. He’s not like most men. He’s not normal, and that’s exactly the point.

[DudeDiligence]

You poor thing.

[Alex_988_2]

By Strict sexual relationship, you meant being loyal and being an easy girl?

[thomasjjeffy]

The classic traits are still valuable as always, by men who do. Women can be strong and sure they can accomplish the same goals as men do, but do they really need to, if they have a strong man behind them? I think it is better to leave the bread winning and leading to men and creating the spirit of a real home to women. Both are very important and true gentlemen don't just look down at women but they respect for keeping the family together as it is and that is the key to have everyone their genuine role. Just ask yourself, would you rather choose a good cooker and someone who's good at housekeeping, or rather a leader who ensures financial background and respects your values too?

[Anonymous]

I think it's pretty obvious that things like "self interest" and "you are the prize" are NOT feminine traits that are valued, not now and not ever.

Society today seems to value masculine traits in women more than it does in men, which is crazy. Women who understand and embrace their true femininity are the most valuable women of all.

medium.com/.../true-feminine-power-why-modern-female-empowerment-has-got-it-all-wrong-6a7578d40c3e

christinearylo.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

Thank you for MHO.

@MzAsh

[DudeDiligence]

The feminine traits that are valued today are the very same ones that were valued decades ago. They are just as beautiful, valuable and powerful today as they ever were, and that will never change. Women who harness their femininity have enormous power in this world.

In my opinion, women who try to be powerful using masculine traits lose that feminine power, and also lose their value to, and their power over men.

The female user here who gave you a list of very unfeminine traits does not understand femininity and has no feminine power or beauty. She may believe she does, but I have no doubt that the people around her would all disagree.

[DudeDiligence]

QA - by the way, I agree with what you said in your question.

[masonlandry]

There same feminine traits that are good in men are good in anyone. Compassion, tenderness, nurturing, beauty, etc. There are positive and negative masculine traits and positive and negative feminine traits, and I think that's the case no matter which gender displays them. A well rounded person has a good mix of the positive masculine and positive feminine.

[MzAsh]

Yes, agreed! 🏆

[Babygirl_S]

I agree 🙂

[VIVANT]

Perfectly said

#AGREED

[StephenCF]

Being traditionally feminine (classy dresses instead of hoodies, elegance instead of carelessness, heels/flats instead of sneakers) rather than a slave to the modern feminazi agenda (shaved heads, tattoos, masculine clothes, needless aggression towards moral people, etc) 💁🏼‍♀️👗👠👒💃🏻

[Anonymous]

Cooking and cleaning and taking care of the kids guys don't give a flying fuck about how many degrees a woman has or if she inspires to be a CEO of corporate America. Women have a few simple jobs 1. Cooking 2. Cleaning 3. Raising kids 4. Giving sex to her husband. But "women" today still manage to fuck up the easiest of tasks. They can't cook they don't know how to clean or maintain a home without whining and bitching and complaining about it they can't even raise kids properly without yelling and screaming and swearing at them and beating them nearly to death or the polar opposite they have this "I don't give a shit what my kid does let him go on a rampage" attitude and they can't even stay faithful to their man without "branch swinging" jumping from one guys dick to another and popping 3 to 4 babies out with 3 to 4 different fathers (look at the whores on teen mom 2)

[kanelives]

Jeez, who hurt you so bad?

[Opinion Owner]

@kanelives no one just making some valid points

[kanelives]

Well yes, some women are like that... but im certain most aren't. I would say most have 3-4/4 of those. And if they don't, it's quick to learn.

[Opinion Owner]

@kanelives then you clearly haven't spent enough time on this site to know how "women" think

[kanelives]

Well, I realized this site attracts terrible people. The opinions from both men and women on here do not match the grand majority of people I know. - with some exceptions of course. Then there are a significant amount if trolls so... there's that. To be fair i sometimes feel the same way as you, but i most certainly try to get those thoughts out of my head. Too toxic for me.

[Jltakk]

I find that in today's society, women take whats special about femininity for granted, and instead aim for masculine traits instead. Its incredibly sad that many fail to realize just crucial a good home is and maintaining that is a wonderful and respectful thing.

[NoEstrogen]

That's one of the many paradoxes of the leftards theories of reality. Keep looking, they all eventually circle right around and crawl up their own asses in the end. They're just hoping you're stupid enough not to notice.

[lucas262]

Well how about
dignity? I don't have to show my body to earn attention?

What about chastity? I won't use my body unless im with my husband?

What about integrity? Honesty on all you do word though and deed?

What about femininity?

What about respectability over degeneracy?

Nothing about boob size or ass size, nothing about how you should give it up. Charecter is worth a thousand words and a picture can rarely capture it.

[Thatsamazing]

"In society today" bloody hell.
"with feminism and all, it seems like only traditionally masculine traits are being valued" yayyy even dumber. Can you out-dumb in further commentary these first two statements? They're *pretty* dumb but I have faith in you.

[abc3643]

All of them for the most part.

Masculine traits got us to where we are from nomadic scavengers and cave people until the suicidal species we are now, but feminine traits will be the ones critical for our survival going forward.

[Shamalien]

Being empathetic, nurturing, building people up instead of tearing them down, loving, helpful, kind, compassionate, you know, all the shit the modern women isn’t

[DorkVader]

What makes you think strength, independence, or confidence are purely masculine traits? Defining your own femininity is YOUR choice, not to be defined by anyone else. So be whomever you are or think you should be.

[VIVANT]

My favorite dork 🥰🙃🙃👍🏻

#AGREED

[DorkVader]

@VIVANT Awww, thank you!

[michellebe2504]

It is not "seen as" masculine. It is a masculine quality, not as in "manly" quality but taking the concept of Yin and Yang, the Yang aspect is often referred to as masculine. Femininity and masculinity as forces/ qualities exist all over nature like a Yin-Yang concept. It is not directly defined by the human existence, but there are clear logical parallels between what female and masculine creatures (eg humans) are good at and what is traditionally considered feminine and masculine (therefore these terms). There is birth and death, light and darkness, hardness and softness, logical and emotional, the outward and the inward, protecting and providing, arousing and pacifying. These polar opposites you can give names as you want, but the names feminine and masculine have established itself. So as you question "why is strength something masculine?" you are, as I said in my question, only valuing the "masculine" side of the YinYang polarity and that sucks, because we as women should know what is awesome about being feminine and not trying to be 100% masculine. (again I get that each human has both masculine and feminine traits, however we're not all men on this earth)

[DorkVader]

Let's talk about strength. Physiologically speaking, women aren't created to be as strong as men as women's functions are different. I concede that. If we are talking emotional strength, or strength of personality or the ability to stand up for one's self, a woman's strength has always been an admirable trait, as no one wants to protect or constantly care for a weak woman. Let's speak of the Bible. A woman is to be her husband's helpmeet, meaning she is to be his equal partner. She does her part in the relationship to keep the family strong. Even in a scenario where she is to cook, clean and raise the kids, she has to be able to manage the logistics of family life and home care. Don't underestimate a woman's strength or devalue it's worth.

[kanelives]

I would say they are all still valued quite highly amongst men... can you tell me what you think is no longer valued?

[BrotherFrost]

Feminine traits were feminine in the 4th century, they were feminine before that and are feminine now. Facts don't change.

[michellebe2504]

exactly what I think, but not a single woman on the face of the earth seems to understand that (except for me lol)

[BrotherFrost]

They are rare, that's true. But they exist, and some are "secret girly girls". For example, my former girlfriend was just like me: direct, politically uncorrect and against any public display of affection. But in private she was an extra feminine girly girl.

[Pejtu]

I could write fkn 5 A4 pages but it sucks doing it on Phone

[OddBeMe]

Your view that strength and confidence is masculine is the problem. Start seeing it as just people and not male/female.

[DWornock]

The same that is has always been including flirting, a look, a smile, and a sexy walk.

[bamesjond0069]

Feminine traits are desired by masculine men. Don't listen to dumb bitches and cuck betas.

[tara987]

Why is being strong, independent, and confident considered "masculine"?

[VIVANT]

👍🏻👍🏻💜

[michellebe2504]

It is not "seen as" masculine. It is a masculine quality, not as in "manly" quality but taking the concept of Yin and Yang, the Yang aspect is often referred to as masculine. Femininity and masculinity as forces/ qualities exist all over nature like a Yin-Yang concept. It is not directly defined by the human existence, but there are clear logical parallels between what female and masculine creatures (eg humans) are good at and what is traditionally considered feminine and masculine (therefore these terms). There is birth and death, light and darkness, hardness and softness, logical and emotional, the outward and the inward, protecting and providing, arousing and pacifying. These polar opposites you can give names as you want, but the names feminine and masculine have established itself. So as you question "why is strength something masculine?" you are, as I said in my question, only valuing the "masculine" side of the YinYang polarity and that sucks, because we as women should know what is awesome about being feminine and not trying to be 100% masculine. (again I get that each human has both masculine and feminine traits, however we're not all men on this earth)

[JesseJayNeak]

Except that traits like manliness and strength are not valued anymore and considered toxic. Femininity is still valued but not by feminism

[IamAboyXD]

Feminism destroied everything women chased

[MoscowMitch]

Ruthlessness, greed and dishonesty.

[MrCon10t]

Screw society today.

[JimboGB]

Empathy.