Was the lefty-liberal, PC-SJW propaganda in the Disney Star Wars trilogy one of the primary reasons why it failed?

[Physics-Man]

Because they're essentially targeting to please everyone else but the fans? Is the token diversity narrative and 'girl power' laden female lead nonsense to blame?

Looks the same thing that befell the Ghostbusters and Terminator movies...

Yes

No

[something_memorable]

The ghostbusters reboot was bad because the jokes were absolutely stupid. didn't care about anyones gender.

The new terminator was pretty good in my opinion, it had action, terminators, Schwartzanegger, thats all the boxes checked on my list. People were mad because it supposedly shit on the timeline that the geeks and fanboys put together, but its a movie about time travel ffs its not hard to rationalize a narrative change when you can literally alter time! The only thing i wanted more of was Arnold being an interior designer😂 can we please have a romcom spinoff with just him and his family? Thats what the entire movie should have been about

And im not big into star wars. haven't seen them, dont really care. If the force has a vagina its nobody's business but hers.

[ciitruskiwi]

Well the last star wars movie that just came out did very well in its opening weekend so I'm going with no.

[DevilsAdvocator]

Did it? I thought it just had the worst opening weekend of any non-spinoff Star Wars movie ever?

For reminders, 2015's "The Force Awakens" and 2017's "The Last Jedi" brought in $248 million and $220 million for their domestic openings, respectively. And industry estimates show a Sunday of $40.25M for Disney’s Rise of Skywalker, already dropping by 15% from Saturday’s $47.5M due to terrible audience reviews, for an opening weekend of around $177.3M. For perspective, this means that the film had a weekend multiplier of 1.95x its $90 million Friday, which is below the 2x likes of Force Awakens, Rogue One, Last Jedi and Batman v Superman ($166 million/$81 million). And no box office-topping film with a weekend multiplier that low has ever ended up with more than 2.5x as much, in worldwide box office revenues, as they made in their opening weekends- meaning that, barring a miracle, Rise of Skywalker's projected to cap out at no more than $450M. Which would represent less than half the revenue, adjusted for inflation, of Attack of the Clones; making it by far the worst performing main saga Star Wars movie ever. And that, with a (still unrevealed) production budget of well over $300M, excluding a massive marketing budget which was estimated to have been in excess of $100M, Rise of Skywalker needs to gross more than $1.2bn at the box office just to break even- instead, its projected worldwide gross is putting it on track to be a box office flop just as bad as, and potentially even worse than, Solo: A Star Wars Story.

[ciitruskiwi]

Oh of any star wars movie? I didn't hear that. I just heard they had a good opening weekend.

[DevilsAdvocator]

Clearly. Along with the fact that they didn't even bother to try and do a good job of it. TBH, looking at the tripe that Chris Terrio's come up with (the scriptwriter of this latest film, 'Rise of Skywalker', as well as of the Golden Raspberry award-winning 'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice', and 'Justice League'), along with the plot points he comes up with every single bloody time, I wouldn't be surprised if he channeled 'My Immortal' as his personal inspiration, and 'Tara Gilespie' as his role model...

[SkipStop]

Absolutely correct. People want to go see a movie, not a 2-hour political ad about propaganda and misandry. Every "Woke" movie remake with a political agenda will fail. "Get woke, Go broke". I hope all these movies fail.

[Physics-Man]

Right on!

[JimRSmith]

I don't think that it helped, put it that way.

But there were a lot of other reasons, too. I think it was over-reliant on special effects, and didn't really deliver a particularly interesting storyline.

I found all three of those films pretty disappointing, and felt the spin-offs were significantly better.

[Jonny_]

No there's plenty of strong female characters in cinema, the only exception would be if they actually entirely altered a storyline to pander to a view. Star Wars isn't token diversity, it never was... Leia, Lando and Mace Windu for example long predate this modern narrative that any diversity simply has to be token diversity when it isn't. Now, they talked about having a female James Bond or a gay James Bond... if they actually took that character and completely altered it then yes that is ruining something for inclusion of something else. Beyond that anyone who says the new trilogy has ruined the series, they've clearly just ignored the prequel sequel which funnily enough didn't come with the whole it's bad so it has to be SJW's and PC culture. The only newer film which has a blatant flaw is The Last Jedi and it's exclusively a story flaw and not a character flaw. I don't believe PC culture or SJW's to actually be an active issue, yes those people exist but they always have growing up in the 90's there was still plenty of it then. Now it's just something people attatch to their views, there is no secret nor active agenda to force a bunch of garbage upon us. Bad films are simply bad films, they aren't bad because people complained until they made a good movie bad.

[dangerDoge]

I saw the recent Star Wars movie. I thought it was a bad movie (more about that here: Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise Skywalker (2019) did you like? ). However, I didn't think it was super PC/SJW-ish. There was a bit of it here and there in the film, but it certainly wasn't comparable to something like Ghostbusters or the Batwoman TV series. Ghostbusters was just riddled with it. I haven't seen the Terminator movie, so I don't know about that one.

On the topic of overbearing PC culture, I feel like it wasn't really the movie that was the issue, but there are likely people trying to take the Star Wars films to use or abuse for their own independent message.

One of the issues Star Wars suffered from was a general issue of being afraid to kill off / give too crazy of hardships to any characters to the point of being silly. I don't think that was specifically some notion of PC culture-- it was just bad plot design. This is similar with Rey's character in the new trilogy being overly powerful to the point of absurdity. That's not necessarily a matter of PC culture infiltrating-- that's just crummy writing.

I don't like too many PC/SJW messages becoming overbearing in film, but I personally didn't find Rise of Skywalker to be a culprit.

[Effably]

Personally I lost interest in the new starwars triology after the first movie. I did go with no because while I absolutely believe that they made the mistake of being political first and creating a good movie second, I do not believe that choice was the primary reason that this triology won't ever enjoy the type of cult-following starwars has had before. They could have still made a great movie.

Personally I just disliked how much of a Mary Sue the main character was. I want her to be all badass and beat the bad people up. Master flying. Master the force and all that. But maybe not do it with no experience, no training and no help whatsoever.
Its not wrong that they made the characters who they were, just a shame its such poorly made characters to start with.

[0112358]

Haven’t you heard the good news? She’s just a natural because of who her grandfather was.

[SuperManiac]

I don't know for certain but I can't help but feel that it has a negative impact on the writing. I'm reminded of this question I saw to George R. R. Martin where they tried to ask him about feminism and writing about women, and he responded along the lines that he doesn't think about things like this when he writes female characters... he doesn't write about a "woman", he writes about a "person", and that's how he creates someone very relatable and interesting. And some of these films make me question if they're doing that.

[0112358]

First off all they’re making piles of money.
Beyond that the obvious major flaw is a lack of deciding where the trilogy was going up front, and jerking back and forth between “TFA was enjoyable but too derivative” “muh Luke why did anything change bring back JJA” “RoS is nothing but fan service”.
Whether the Skywalker/Solo/Palpatine descendants are male or female is a pretty minor thing.
Anyway, I’m looking forward to the Rian Johnson trilogy since he actually has ideas of his own, and will watch whether his movie consists 100% of pasty white dudes or 100% black trans enby lesbians, because they’re movies about alien space wizards, space cowboys and space samurai, with hot rod spaceships and weird space cults.

[FakeName123]

Its by no means the only reason, but it definitely is one of the key reasons as Disney is trying to pander to these minorities rather than telling a compelling story. Also shitting on the old cast (especially the way they have treated Luke, but also Han), not having a basic story for the entire trilogy mapped out before any filming was done, lifeless characters with very little talent, a coked up Mary Sue and a daddy-issue Wannabe-Vader, etc.

I remember people here gushing over VII when it was released. I already found it at best underwhelming. VIII then was a complete disaster and the usual "you toxic fans just dont understand this glorious movie"-narrative.

The only good thing about the movies were the costumes and the settings. They nailed that one. But without substance nor soul it's irrelevant.

[October808]

That and bad acting, bad characterization, killing off every last Skywalker, mis-handling original trilogy characters, reusing the Death Star over and over, huge plot holes, not understanding how the force works in universe etc. Having no outline for a trilogy, saying they had no source material after decanonizing 42 years of source material.

It's just really BAD fanfiction. I have seen fanfilms with more imagination and soul than these Disney lab tests.

IMDB is the real limus of how well this movie is being received, it's not Rotten Tomatoes one should believe.

This is the way.

[Valeesm]

I wouldn't say it failed. It just wasn't a blow me out of the water trilogy either...
Ep7 wasn't bad, not overly memorable but Kylo was great. Rey was a bit annoying but her fun energy brought a lot to the movie.

Ep8 was absolutely brutal. I hate how they treated luke, the whole fin story was pointless aside from the scene where we see that both the FO and resistance are buying weapons from the same person. They really missed a few things here

Ep9 was great, not amazing, but a fitting end. Kylo was amazing again, Rey had been training lots so her power made sense, and with the revelation of her bloodline her inate powers also make sense. Only thing I really wanted would be the force ghosts to actually show at the end

[Pipeliner87]

The moment Disney touched star wars was the moment it was doomed to fail. Look at the new all female ghost busters, like WTF... Captain Marvel. Yeah could you not have had the say those remarks about women?

[Soteris]

Yeah sure, lets not talk about the fundamental cinematic failures in every star wars movie since the first 3 or anything. Lets just blame it on something that aligns with my political bias, thats way more convenient for me.

I doubt you understand enough about cinematography to even begin unpack any of these movies and discover their failings.

[Physics-Man]

I took an Honors Cinema class back in Spring 2015 and got an A. But thank you for your response.

[Soteris]

Alright then, give it a shoot.

[DevilsAdvocator]

Well, to be fair, he did say "one of the primary reasons", not "THE primary reason"...

[Soteris]

@DevilsAdvocator Show me how its one of the primary reasons then.

[DevilsAdvocator]

[DevilsAdvocator]

Given that Episode IX completely alienated all 'Saga Lovers', by rendering the original trilogy utterly worthless, and that these comprised more than 70% of its core fanbase (which also happened to be almost 70% male, with only 42% of females voicing any interest in watching sci-fi movies at all), this was almost certainly a primary contributing factor, one which could have easily been predicted.

[Soteris]

@DevilsAdvocator What you just provided proves nothing. Specifically you are just pointing out target demography and conflate that into meaning its PC which is a huge fucking leap in logic.

[SpacedCharr]

I think it was just plain shit writing. And a certain Disney-fication.

[GreatnessBack]

Nah, it's because they're trying to bring complexity to what is essentially a super hero movie is the reason.
However, Po and Finn is the best part.

[XavierSteele]

I didn't watch it. I quit watching a lot of movies as soon as they become politically charged. I don't need a repeat of Hamilton on the big screen

[tartaarsaus]

Meh, I can imagine that most people care more about the lackluster storytelling of the new trilogy than whether some characters were women or poc

[Snakeyes7]

Yes but it’s not the biggest reason in my opinion. I just think they are just too similar to 4-6 I haven’t seen rise of skywalker yet but that’s mainly what I have noticed.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

make them pay in the pocketbook. don't mindlessly support movies that promote this bullshit