What I really don't understand about pro-lifers, is that they have such dedicated and profound interest in what is taking place inside a woman's womb, and profess such sacred interest in it. But once it's born, they let it suffer and have a miserable life. It's like they want to force a birth, so it can suffer. I see no humanity is that, I see no Christianity in that. I see no morality in that.
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Because they don't use logic any more than the lunatics that think men can become women. They're nuts af.
Abortion MIGHT be murder but there is no scientific or biblical evidence that abortion is the same as murder. What there is obvious evidence of is that people in this world are starving because rich people in rich countries refuse to send them foreign aid. Before you tell me abortion is murder - I will ask you - how many starving kids in Africa did you kill by not sending them foreign aid?
Because they do not accept the view that a fetus is not equal to a grown human being yet think that animals are inferior to humans therefore can be killed with no remorse.
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I find fault with your argument. It's a false equivalence, like saying there is no difference between a human and non-human animal.
[For reference, I'm just going to refer to non-human animals as just 'animals' for brevity. Also, I'm referring to 'murder' to mean 'an intentional killing of a life.' I'm not applying the legal view of it.]
1.) Be it a speciest mentality or for justifications of personhood, I believe human lives are fundamentally greater than that of an animal. If you're looking for a more clear distinction apart from personhood, there is the difference in consciousness. A human being can look at him/herself in retrospection or reflection. You can also find evidence for the lack of this in animals through peoples' attempts to teach animals a human-isque form of language. It points to animals living only in the present. If you want to debate this specific point, I'm sure I can dig up my old class notes, but for now I'll move on. In the classic thought experiment: 'my pet and stranger are drowning in the river but I can only save one,' I'd save the stranger. It's a morally wrong decision otherwise. I love my dogs, and of course, I'd be sad, but that's a separate issue.2.) The argument for pro life vs choice is different than the argument for whether killing an animal is wrong. The argument for abortion is whether or not it is wrong to kill a human life while the life is still in the womb. You took the word 'murder' and generalized it past the original arguments' contexts. The argument for the morality behind killing an animal is a more general view of whether it's wrong to take a life and also whether that life is equivalent to that of a human. Now, if someone is simply saying 'human murder is morally ok,' I acknowledge I don't really have a readymade response to that, but I don't think we'll see eye to eye on the subject anyway.
3.) Furthermore, I do consider it wrong to kill or injure or abuse an animal if there is no justification for it. While I do not place an animal equal or above that of a human, I still think there is significant value in a life. Hence, something like dog fighting is morally wrong. It's not hypocritical to place different values for clearly distinctly different things (i.e. an animal without personhood/consciousness and a human with personhood/consciousness).
Now, I'll address the argument I see in the horizon, "But hey, you said, "It's not hypocritical to place different values for clearly distinctly different things." Why can't you apply that argument to a fetus and attribute a different value of life for that?" To that, I'd say that there is no clear distinct difference to be had here. If we say killing a baby is wrong, what makes killing a baby a day before being due 'ok'? Or, if that's wrong, what separates that from a when it is 'ok'? The only time that it makes sense to decide when something gains personhood / a morally significant life equivalent to that of a human is at conception.Because killing animals is not the same as killing your child? How is that not understood? The real question is how can pro-abortion people be anti-death penalty, I mean there is a contradiction if I have ever heard of one, a murderes life is precious and cannot be ended but a unborn child is a parasite (despite being created by the person claiming they are a parasite) and needs to be slaughtered? You people are so hypocritical and you cannot even come up with a rational argument if your life depended on it.
Everyone is hypocritical in some capacity. The problem is if it is blatant or not. I don’t think they blatantly mean to be! Pro lifers also tend to encourage war! Which (since most are conservative or republican) is contrary to there belief as well! But it’s pointless to point that out to them when they always think they are absolutely right!
Pro-Lifers are very often Christian, and the Christian Bible basically proposes
that humans are not an equal part of nature, but rather superior to all other organisms, and in fact, their god has supposedly created all those other organisms simply to either sustain humans, or second-handedly sustain that which gives humans sustenance. So to kill an animal, to them, is doing what god intended, whereas humans are some special organism that that shouldn’t be done to.The intent of this inanity is what's important. Is this the ravings of an insane vegan? Genuine infantile inability to tell the difference between a creature capable of putting things in space versus a goose? Or are you just a plant put here by the global adenochrome racket to silence / identify opposition, so you know whom to report to the UN if someone even crazier than Northam wins the White House?
We’re talking about human life or not talking about deer Life we need meet do you survive we eat what we kill you don’t eat your fetus And yet you’ve killed your fetus Look who’s the hypocrite now I was taught never to kill something unless you plan to eat it I don’t plan on eating a fetus so I don’t plan on killing it
I’m against abortion, and eating baby animals, but I’ll kill for food.
They’re my main source of energy, which in return, gives them a reason to live until they grow to their full capacity so I can kill, skin and preserve until my next feeding time.I'm pro choice, but even I have to disagree with your logic.
Pro life is about humans, not animals. For a pro lifer, killing an animal isn't likely to register the same as their perceived murder of a "human".Humans are carnivores, it's simply in our nature to kill other animals. Abortion is unethical because you're killing a human.
And if you don't make the distinction then if you can kill a baby I can kill you with the same logic? Both are human.Killing an animal is not murder. Murder is when you kill a human. People have been killing animals for food since the beginning of time. Do you think that pro-abortion types do not enjoy fried chicken or a nice steak?
No idea but the blue Anon has another amazing point 👌
Read the bible. God gave man mastery of over all beasts. But with power comes responsibility. Personally to me that means it's ok to kill animals to consume, or for protection ( if one is about to attack you). But not for sport!
I mean I don't know.. I am against killing any animal... I fully embrace veganism so that from my part, any animal will not be killed... killing anyone is not good...
You also should ask them why they think abortion is murder while they love killing their kids by faith healing
If a chicken for you is equal to a human, I have bad news for you 😅 People kill animals for getting food. Animals kill each other for this purpose too. But abortion is just killing foetus for for the kill sake.
I assume from your question that you are equating animals and human beings? It seems quite a stretch to look at both in the same manner.
I dont believe in abortion but i also dont hunt. I do eat meat tho and will continue to do so
Because it’s generally established that human life is more valuable than an animal’s. And the vast majority of animals are killed to feed us. You know, the way it has to be.
This is a strawman of the views of prolifers. Pro lifers only exist to stop abortion from happening. Hunting and not being vegan is irrelevant.
I place human life over wild animal life. People are worth more than wild animals, crazy thought, right?
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