Arthur Martunovich who can be described as a “white knight/male feminist”, entered a Chinese restaurant in Brooklyn and killed three Asian men with a hammer just because he watched a movie where Asian men mistreat women. He was charged with a “hate crime” and he may get life in prison but where was the initial outrage?Arthur Martunovich, a disgusting degenerate
For people who believe in races, Asian men are placed in the hierarchy just next to white men. They still get slightly more respect than white guys, but not much or often. They are denied into colleges because of their work and are often left out of job advancements. Despite all of this they still make the most in the US as far as annual household incomes for a group. This was a horrible act, but the "news" treats people based on race and under that system Asians get slighted. I don't believe in races but clearly see culture. Asian cultures tend to value work and succeed because of it but success creates enemies especially in the media.
Just because he claims to be a feminist, it doesn't actually mean he is one. His actions have nothing to do with feminism, and if anything it sounds way more likely that he used feminism just to justify this very obvious hate crime. I can also claim to be an MRA, go into a restaurant and kill women. Doesn't mean I'm actually an MRA.
Of course most male feminists aren’t as bad as he is. But that doesn’t mean make feminists are morally pure either. While most male feminists aren’t evil, they still exhibit sycophancy toward the proto totalitarian groupthink known as 4th wave feminism.
@AllThatSweetJazz your actions very much reflect whether you are a feminist or not, more than your words do. Killing three random people because you just watched a movie has absolutely nothing to do with feminism.
Feminism doesn't explicitly state a position on the matter. Moreover, it's often stated that everyone gets to define what feminism means to them. If he felt he was motivated by feminism, then that's for him to define. Each individual can denounce the behaviour, but that doesn't change his perspective. If he felt feminism motivated him then all we can say is that he's a psycho feminist, it's that straightforward.
@AllThatSweetJazz... except that feminism does have a stance on the matter. This was clearly a very racist move by him, if he thinks that 3 random Asian men represent whatever scripted injustice he saw in a movie. Feminism is anti-racism and anti-hate crime, and feminists constantly discuss these matters and fight against them. Everyone *doesn't* get to define what feminism means to them. Sure, there are different branches within the movement, but at its very core there are some matters that are quite clear-cut, with anti-racism being one of them since it's a basic matter of equality. You simply cannot be a feminist if you're ok with randomly killing Asians because of some shit you saw on tv. It goes against the very core of what feminism is about. Just like you can't call yourself a Christian if you, in the same breath, deny the existence of God and Jesus.
There’s no doctrine to point to which says what feminism says on the matter. There’s nothing to explicitly state this isn’t compatible with at least some interpretations of feminism.
Intersectional feminists take a state against racism, but that’s also only their interpretation of racism. Plenty of feminists don’t have a problem with violence against white people specifically because their position on racism makes them feel it’s okay. So saying you’re against racism and hate crimes means nothing coming from a feminist since so many basically use that as an excuse to be overtly racist.
There are people who call themselves “atheistic Christians” they basically follow the Bible’s teachings about morals and they go to church, but don’t believe in the metaphysical claims of the Bible. Furthermore there is actually doctrines that try to claim who is and isn’t Christian and that’s also why you get all these different sects of people who think they are the “real” interpretation. But feminism has no doctrine and no pope to standardize the ideology.
Additionally, feminism is primarily focuses around women. Just like Christianity is focused around Jesus. Yet a Christian can shoot up people in the name of god and we still call them Christian, especially if they say “it’s God’s will” or something like that. Well this guy did it in the name of women and no one has any authority to claim he didn’t believe what he did was in the best interests of women regardless of how insane *you* think it is.
You could argue he wasn’t a intersectional feminist or whatever else, but that’s about it.
Cool beans. We’re in a thread talking the relevance of an ideological *label* of a shooter, what I find pathetic is trying defend whatever label you’re personally invested in. Why can’t shooting people just be the real problem here?
@AllThatSweetJazz "Why can’t shooting people just be the real problem here?" because that's clearly not the angle the asker was going for, and I don't care for making a thing like this about feminism when it has nothing to do with feminism. Hence me critiquing that. Also, here you go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_theory <- a good start of delving into what feminism is about and what feminists focus on/believe in. We might not have a pope-like figure to "standardize the ideology" but that doesn't mean the movement itself is completely chaotic with no sense of direction and no clear beliefs.
@AllThatSweetJazz also, after doing some research myself, I can't find any evidence of this guy ever calling himself a feminist. He just said that he was outraged by the mistreatment of Asian women in some movie. That on its own does not say anything about having feminist beliefs/considering himself a feminist.
A person doesn’t have to call themselves a feminist to be a feminist. Their attitudes are enough to dictate whether or not they are feminists.
Much like how a Neo Nazi doesn’t have to call himself or herself a Neo Nazi to be a Neo nazi, their attitudes dictate that. Don Black doesn’t call himself a Neo Nazi but his attitudes make him a Neo Nazi.
@lumos I have no idea if he really said it. It’s not essential to my position. If he didn’t say it then whatever, it just means he didn’t say it and we’re all arguing about nonsense like I said.
I’m very much adequately informed on feminism. I’ve been following this stuff for years. I’m going to gamble that I can describe feminism better than you could. There are core elements to feminism, but not murdering people isn’t actually included in that. It’s just a thing most people in general tend to be on board with. It’s not their feminist ideology that informs their sense of immorality regarding murder.
Except that this was very clearly a racist hate crime, which goes AGAINST feminist beliefs. I think this could even be classified as a sexist act, considering that he felt like he needed to go out of his way to kill random men "in the name of protecting women", when women do not want nor need this type of "protection". Nothing about his attitudes points towards him being a feminist, so your neo nazi argument doesn't really hold any water. You just slapped the feminist label onto him for your own agenda.
@AllThatSweetJazz I'm saying that feminism has quite a strong stance on racist hate crimes. I don't know why you brought specifically murder into this.
“which goes AGAINST feminist beliefs” Except feminism is not fundamentally against racism. It’s the wider cultural values outside of feminism that overwhelmingly inform people’s feelings about racism. There’s a distinction between feminism being explicitly against racism and feminists being typically against racism – and that’s before considering the problem of the feminists’ redefining of racism which I brought up earlier.
“I think this could even be classified as a sexist act” It can, but so can a lot of feminism, so calling it sexist doesn’t really distinguish it.
“when women do not want nor need this type of "protection"” I mean… you don’t speak for all women and neither does feminism. But also, that’s not really important since what women want doesn’t necessarily inform feminism.
“Nothing about his attitudes points towards him being a feminist” Well, not your flavor of feminist perhaps. But you can only denounce him, you can’t excommunicate him.
I'm guessing you're asking because of the George Floyd protests with that in mind these are two extremely different circumstances one hand is a bunch of cops who killed a man on camera in broad daylight who wasn't posing a threat for a minor infraction which has been happening for a long time over and over, again and again the outrage at a certain point was negligible a very long time ago the other is one idiot who's actions have nothing to do with the state of or the American government in general if there was outrage where would anyone direct it what would be the agenda the legal processes were already in motion unlike in Floyd's incident if you're an American help them resolve this sh. z stop looking for reasons not to as a foreigner this is the first time I've watched your news and thought these f. ckers aren't retarded if you help with this and succeed this win will put America in a path towards actually being number one your politics, politicians and justice system have been f. cking you for ages this might make them think twice
@adfsdf1996 I didn't know anything about this until now but apparently the guys who killed Arbery weren't facing any charges two months after the incident had passed and that s when the police made an arrest after the video of his shooting went viral and again people protesting that the police department arrest Arberys shooter as they were convinced they weren't arresting the shooter and his son because he was a former law enforcement officer so there was an agenda and a direction
More excuses to justify the marginalization of Asian Americans.
Remember that incident where the two black men were arrested at Starbucks? Remember all the outrage on social media? Compare that to the little outrage shown to the United airlines incident.
There was outrage over the United Airlines incident it appeared on news stations in my country where as the Starbucks one wasn't I had to see that online but in my opinion there was nothing wrong with calling the cops to escort them off the premises I'd have done the same, they were loitering, even if the cops were called for racist reasons there was nothing wrong with what happened
He sustained the injuries whilst fighting back which he had every right to do the marshal responded with brute force which apparently was neither wrong nor right in the terms of his employment as he's now suing United for not setting guidelines as to how he was meant to respond (I don't know how that works) he got fired but I think the only person that can press charges against him is the guy that dragged out which he didn't so I don't know
Let me tell you a personal experience of mine. I used to be an intern as a Journalist at The Sun Malaysia. Once, the CEO had organised a trip to New York. We had a chance to visit the New York Times HQ. The vibe there was very unwelcoming. Its like all the journalists over there are like "penuh dengan dirinya sendiri" meaning too full of themselves. All of the whiteboards were filled Alt right and trump. I didn't think too much about it cause I wasn't very versed in American politics during my trip. Once they had us cooperate with the journalists and our topic was racism. So, I went to find in the police reports, social media anything worthy for a story and happend to find a incident which involves two armed robbers gunning down a black woman with her son. The shooter was black and the driver was white. I decided this was good reading material so I done additional research and eventually showed to my buddy. The next part will probably shock you. I eventually showed it to her and without hesitation she asked me where the prepators white. I told her they were black and looked towards me and said that i was not experienced enough and told me I never faced real racism. I just brushed it off and probably thought she was in a bad mood. I was able to glance a sneak peek at her article she was working on. It was about a teen that allegedly was jogging on the street when cops came and gunned him down. I decided to do research my way and found out he wasn't jogging but had a history of gang shootings and started running away and pulled out with gun while the cops tried to talk to him. That's my experience. There's a reason a lot of south Asians dislike Americans.
Because there is no influx of male feminists attempting take the rights from 50% of the population, there is no trend where male feminists are violently killing women, there is not persistent massacres with the same sentiment written on manifesto's by male feminists... but I am going to assume that you are trying to make something out of this incident because it makes you mad that people talk about the precious masculinity and the undeniable slant of violent crimes committed by males who are "anti feminists" or at least incorporate that as part of their identity.
Stop trying to make this a thing... he was a crazy dude and it doesn't disqualify feminism or men identifying as feminists anymore than saying a gay rapist is somehow representative of all gay people... if there were a trend of gay people being rapists, then sure you could look into it but there isn't and that is the same with male feminists being violent, it is not common that those two things go together so there is no reason to make out that those things are somehow relevant to each other on a large scale..
But I forgot detail isn't really on the agenda for the desperate anti feminists it's all about slander and protecting the male ideals
@HartleyB You don’t seem to understand that 4th wave feminists exhibit hypocrisy with blatant Misandry and enforcement of double standards. Just let men be men, they aren’t hurting anyone. It’s none of your business how a man chooses to be.
Hahaha there are so many losers online like you, why I that? Leave the house every now and then and get a life, stop trying to act sophisticated and knowledgeable because you watched a YouTube video or read a social media post 😂.
It is almost at the point that there should be rehab for lonely indoctrinated guys like you
You are doing exactly that! 😂. I see you guys everywhere it's almost cult like behavior it is kind of scary, but mostly sad. My own brother was caught up in the exact same ideological phase that you seem to be in and so many young guys fall into these days and it is influenced so heavily by these YouTube commentators out there that try to make something out of nothing and just stand on top of these anti women movements because they know it attracts guys like yourself who are often lonely and dislike women because they feel as if they owed them something but aren't getting it from women so it turns to hatred and vengeance against women and it is very sad.
I really do hope you can find a nice woman who will snap you out of this little contrarian phase that you are going through, it seems to be just a part of a lot of young men's lives these days and I am grateful my brother has found a girl he loves and realized that all of the online and television mania around certain movements is fake and sensationalist for clicks and to discourage group organizing, I hope you can do the same as you get older as well.
I am sorry for being rude to you earlier I should be more considerate of situations I have not been in and I should know better because when my brother was going through the anti feminist faze and even his little atheist phase that the internet merchants were selling a while ago, it was like he was brainwashed into believing all of that stuff mattered in his life and it was somehow directly affecting him when, it really didn't affect him at all whatsoever.
Ps. I'm not a feminist so I'm not a sycophant of any proto totalitarian groupthink as you call it so not really sure what I am indoctrinated with, I just see guys in your anti feminist movement all over the internet these days
@HartleyB If you’re not a feminist then why are so upset over simple criticism? Don’t try to back peddle. That’s no different than a neo nazi that goes on a racist rant then says “but I’m not a racist”.
The real cult is the modern/4th wave feminist movement which discourages critical thinking and tries so hard to force their own standards onto both men and women. Good thing most people (men and women) realize 4th wave feminism is full of shenanigans.
This is really sad... are you a bot? I am becoming convinced that you're either trying to be a funny troll or you are just a bot
I don't consider myself a feminist because I dont feel as if it has impacted myself as much as it does some women and criticizing your silly little post here where you try to bait girls in and you feel like you're on a big stage with an audience debating with all of these great points because that's what your favorite Youtuber does doesn't make me a feminist
Oh no lacking critical thinking is is not part of the feminist movement it is definitely in the anti feminist cult as you are literally repeating the same points everyone else does verbatim and they aren't even points they are just empty arguing because you get a kick out of it and it makes you feel enlightened and intellectual but from outside your cult everyone just hears rubbish
So if a majority of men and women don't believe in the values of feminist movements then why do you care so much about it? Maybe is it because you have been fed sensationalism by YouTube and social media? Go on, use those big boy critical thinking skills you can do it
Oh and are you lying about your age? I thought usually guys grew out of this anti feminist phase by around 21 or so but maybe you are one of those anomalies who never grow up 😬
You like making faulty assumptions don’t you? No I’m not a bot or a troll. If you can’t have civilized conversation with someone who has opossums political views then don’t start debates. It’s that simple.
Most people don’t consider themselves feminists because they can think critically. And again I ask you, if you’re not a feminist then why are you so upset over simple criticism of feminism?
Oh sorry, you just talk exactly the same as hundreds of thousands of other guys online who think they are some sort of pioneer and philosophy professors. Sorry did you get triggered by me daring to say that your cult is a cult? Can I ask, what year in school did you drop out? I am actually really fascinated by you now, it is like speaking with a cult member who is let out to go play in the park for an hour or something
I answered that... I don't need to label myself anything to understand something what happened to your critical thinking sermon Aristotle? Are you a feminist?
See these "anti" movements are so dumb because they require the pro movement to exist and people strap their identity so strongly to these ideologies and the anti movements always outgrow the pro movement because anti movements are nothing without the pro movement. It's sort of like a virus which dies soon after a suitable host is unavailable...
Too many people are so myopic that they think the outrage is only over a single black man being killed when incidents like the one involving George Floyd are just the spark that lit a fire fueled by decades of police brutality.
There are on average about 15,000-20,000 murders each year in the United States. Approximately 97.5% of the victims are white, black or hispanic. We don't hear about and there are not mass protests about almost all of them regardless of race because:
THEY WERE NOT KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROWD FILMING IT BY POLICE OFFICERS WHOSE SWORN JOB IT IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE, NOT KILL THEM.
THEY WERE NOT KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROWD FILMING IT BY POLICE OFFICERS WHOSE SWORN JOB IT IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE, NOT KILL THEM.
THEY WERE NOT KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROWD FILMING IT BY POLICE OFFICERS WHOSE SWORN JOB IT IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE, NOT KILL THEM.
THEY WERE NOT KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROWD FILMING IT BY POLICE OFFICERS WHOSE SWORN JOB IT IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE, NOT KILL THEM.
THEY WERE NOT KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROWD FILMING IT BY POLICE OFFICERS WHOSE SWORN JOB IT IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE, NOT KILL THEM.
If my first 4 explanations don't make it incredibly clear why there was very little inital outrage because of those killings by Arthur Martunovich, please refer to the fifth.
You're so hopelessly wrapped up in some ridiculously misplaced victimhood, you somehow still don't get the difference between people being murdered by some random pyscho and the outrage specifically because it was being done by police officers sworn to protect and to serve. If you can't understand the difference, I don't know what to tell you. But I haven't completely written you off as a lost cause so let's try this again and this time pay fucking attention.
THEY WERE NOT KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROWD FILMING IT BY POLICE OFFICERS WHOSE SWORN JOB IT IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE, NOT KILL THEM.
“ THEY WERE NOT KILLED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROWD FILMING IT BY POLICE OFFICERS WHOSE SWORN JOB IT IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE, NOT KILL THEM.”
You sure like to nitpick with your weak arguments don’t you. Just shows how misinformed you are. Odd how you ignored the Ahmaud Arbery incident and instead resorted to a strawman fallacy argument just to suit your narrative.
Arthur was ultimately found fit to stand trial and he was charged with a hate crime. But since you are misinformed, you didn’t know that.
"He was just screaming crazy words like, 'I'm killing everybody! This world is hell!' and everything. He was just screaming crazy things,"
Martunovich's mother, Ms Svetlana Chalmers, called her son mentally ill and an old friend of his said he "sounded kind of crazy" when they spoke recently. "He's a crazy person - that's it," Ms Chalmers, 57, told Daily News. "I don't know how he got that way. Nobody knows. Only God knows."
Crazy people are found fit to stand trial every day. They're still crazy unless you think doing what he did is the work of someone who is normal and sane.
If you are in fact Asian yourself, you are really destroying the stereotype of Asians being really smart. Though maybe you're the exception that proves the rule.
“He said, she said” is invalid since you can’t substantiate such arguments. If you’re going to call other people dumb, then look in the mirror first. But congratulations on proving that you do hold some sort of bias against Asians.
You haven’t provided any sort valid arguments to support your nitpicked narrative. All you have been doing is going on a angry rant just because my political views differ from your own. Yet you expect to be viewed as credible? Either learn how to have an intelligent debate without spouting insults or just don’t participate in debates.
I pulled that word for word straight out of the article you posted. You post an article to back up your claim of whatever and then when people quote from it, you accuse them of some "He said she said" bullshit? Man, that's fucked up. The standard to stand trial is not whether someone is crazy in general, it's whether they were aware of what they were doing at the time they did it. The two are not mutually exclusive. Crazy people stand trial every day. If you actually did some research on it instead of making shit up all the time, you might know that.
And now I have a bias against Asians because I said everyone thinks they're very smart? Your arguments are disconnected and weak, your comebacks make no sense, you can't refute anything anyone says so you just make up some insult to throw at them. You constantly need to retreat to false equivalencies and whataboutisms. Dude, you are a complete mess. Maybe it's time for you to talk to a professional. Does your company have an employee assistance program you can utilize to get a referral to a trained professional?
*yawn* Taking a quote out of context is invalid. And then you continue to hurl insults. Yeah just shut up already, it’s obvious you can’t handle a simple debate without getting hotheaded. Typical radical left wing modus operandi. Something is very wrong with you, since you are oblivious to your own fallacious narrative.
Again I say, you haven’t brought up a single valid argument. All you been doing is distorting my points to suit your narrative.
@jakerson181 Furthermore, you decided to nitpick and downplay Arthur Martunovich’s heinous actions by saying “Uh, he wasn’t a police officer and it didn’t happen around other police officers.” What a shitty thing to say. It’s appalling how oblivious you are to the fact that you hold favoritism for certain races all while you marginalize other races. You pretty much affirmed that the reason you left wingers didn’t show much outrage is because you don’t actually care about the Asian-American community. Congratulations on proving my point.
"And then you continue to hurl insults. Yeah just shut up already"
Well thankfully, I have you to look to, to see someone who doesn't have to hurl insults to make his point. LOL. You're ironic and you don't even know it.
Keep twisting what I'm saying cause you got nothing else. I'm trying repeatedly to answer your question why one incident created such public outrage while the other didn't but if I don't agree with you, you try to claim that's me downplaying the seriousness of the other person's actions? Really? That's just plain sad. You get backed into a corner and you just can't handle it. You look sad, you look ridiculous, you insult and make absurd claims about the other person and the meaning of what they said and you look completely unable to discuss issues intellectually, instead using pure emotion. Man, I can't imagine what it must be like to be you. So unwilling to display an ounce of compassion for any other person or group and what they've gone through without feeling like you've got to minimize it by injecting your own grievances. You sound like a wannabe Trump and that's not a compliment. "Yeah, but what about MEEEEEEEEEE". We can all see who the real racist is here. All I can say is I hope you get help.
@jakerson181 Quit projecting, now you are just copying everything I just said to make yourself look more credible. And I’m not the one who opened both of these discussions with petty insults, that was all you. You’ve got issues, you can’t even have a simple discussion with someone who has different views than yourself without hurling insults.
And I don’t need any professional help. Especially from some greedy corrupt left wing shrinks. If anyone needs help it’s you, since you lack the capacity to hold a civilized debate that doesn’t turn into a shouting contest.
Would you like some help in finding a right wing shrink who's not corrupt? Your life doesn't need to be a cautionary tale to others. If it will get you the help you need, I'm willing to try anything.
I'll find you a shrink from whatever political affiliation you identify with. Trust them. They can help you and heaven knows you need the help. You don't have to live like this. You can get better.
@jakerson181 I don’t need any shrink. Like I said, I don’t trust them. You left wingers always like to assume the people you debate with have emotional issues. How immature can you be?
If anyone needs a shrink, it’s you. Last I checked you were the one who started yelling expletives and going on a incoherent rant. Quit projecting your own issues.
And yet again you make yet another faulty assumption. When did I say that I’m a left winger?
With your inability to comprehend words of more than 1 syllable, I can understand why my well though out points would seem like incoherent rants to you. If you need to make up stuff about incoherent rants and me yelling expletives to protect your fragile ego cause you can't hang intellectually, I'm cool with that. You need to find some way to feel OK about yourself. I totally get it.
@jakerson181 If you’re not a left winger then why are you so upset about simple criticism of the left wing?
Here’s a quote from your original comment on the other post.
“ Are you f*cking kidding me? You remember it so well you don't even know it was United not American? When that guy got dragged off the plane, it was all over the news for days. There was outrage all over social media, people saying they'd never fly United again and the CEO of United had to make a public apology. The guy eventually got several million dollars from United. Don't give me this where was the outrage bullsh*t. Today's a good day to take your butwhataboutisms and your false equivalencies and shove 'em where the sun don't shine.”
So I can take anything you've ever said before in any other post and apply it to the current argument as if you just said it as part of this discussion. Are those the rules now? You know who has to do that? Losers.
"Some ignoramus recently commented stupid remarks on one of my posts where he pretty much called me a “nazi” just because I like to listen to traditional German military songs that are apolitical. It’s obvious he didn’t read the post and he is also oblivious to the fact that I’m actually mixed (half East Asian/half Hispanic). So him calling me a “Nazi” is pretty stupid on his part."
"You STFU. What does R9K even mean?"
"Why don’t you look into the Spanish slave ships that brought Asians to the Americas.
It’s disgusting how you people always play the “so and so had it worse” game. Oppression is still oppression."
"There you go again playing pseudo intellectual by calling out fallacies that aren’t even present. You sure like to copy me don’t you.
If anyone is embarrassing themselves it’s you. You’re the one that continues to nitpick to keep an argument going. I’ve cited several sources yet here you are continuing to spout off without addressing my points.:
"Does the Ahmaud Arbery incident sound familiar? Plenty of outrage there.
Looks like critical thinking isn’t your strong point, is it?"
Let's see... yelling expletives... Check!. Going on an incoherent rant... Check! Wow dude, I guess you do the very things you're accusing me of doing. But that doesn't bother me as much as it's becoming clear you use the same meaningless hackneyed insults about a lack of critical thinking and nitpicking and all your other favorite comebacks with EVERYONE, not just me. I didn't get a custom insult job from you, it's just the same thoughtless, uncreative off the rack insults you hand out to everyone who dares to disagree with you. I'm pretty bummed TBH. I thought I was worth some original thought on your part, at least when it comes to insults. But clearly not.
@jakerson181 There you go taking things out of context and referencing things that have nothing to do with our discussion. If you would read the rest, you’d realize that the people I’m replying to, used expletives first or were acting like smart asses.
This discussion we are having here is pretty much a continuation of the discussion we were having on the other post. So that quote of your first comment is relevant. Once again your logic fails.
Once again, you're unilaterally making up new rules. Someone disagreeing with you is labeled a smart ass. Someone pulling something from another thread isn't fair but you doing it and it's a continuation of the same discussion. Maybe I misunderstood. Was Arthur Martunovich pulled off a United flight, cause I sure thought that discussion was comparing something else. Like I said earlier, twist things, distort things, make up new rules as you go... if any of that makes you feel better about yourself, them I'm cool with it. If you won't get into much needed therapy (maybe because of a bad past experience perhaps), letting you "win" despite your sad attempt to keep up is the least I can do for a fellow GaGer, especially an Influencer like you.
@jakerson181 I ain’t making up new rules. And I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with me, I’ve had plenty of civilized debates with people I don’t agree with. But you from the get-go hurled insults and went on a incoherent rant just because I have different political views than yourself. Yet you expect me to roll out the red carpet for you?
However you need to view yourself to feel better about who and what you are is fine with me. I already told you that. Listen, this is really tiresome and boring, so how about this. You WIN! Man, great argument and i just couldn't refute it. You're just too smart for me.
I think the reason was because he was kind of insane. Peoples reactions weren't aimed at anger toward him but rather shock for the crime itself and sorrow for the families. With the George Floyd situation, the cops were completely right in the mind. Plus, if it had been a cop who was fully sane who attacked three Asians in a restaurant, I'm sure the outrage would be unbelievable. It has nothing to do with people liking blacks more than Asians, or whites more than Asians. Its just who was involved as the perpetrator
In my eyes he should be charged with first-degree murder, a hate crime, and life imprisonment. I condemn his toxic distorted view of feminism but there are many good male feminists out there, so I won't put them all under one banner.
A similar thing happened with the "Charlottesville car attack" in 2017.
The Mayor of Charlottesville, the Virginia Secretary of Public Safety, the Attorney General and the FBI director called the attack an act of domestic terrorism, yet the man who did the car attack only got charged under "hate crime."
I'll share this incident on social media to raise awareness.
I disagree, while most male feminists are nowhere near as bad as this guy. Most male feminists still pander and often act like sycophants that can’t think critically.
@adfsdf1996 Wait a minute, I found a source stating he was charged with three counts of first-degree murder- if that is true, then it means he got 75 years imprisonment, which is basically a life sentence given he's 34, it means he'll get out by the time he's 109... Not to mention, I have just looked up the ruling on hate crime charges in the USA and they can result in life imprisonment or death depending on the state- which exact hate crime charged, was he charged with?
"The hammer-wielding suspect accused of fatally bashing three Asian men at a Brooklyn buffet has been indicted on three counts of first-degree murder — while newly unsealed court documents claim he did it to “prove my love of women.”
That's what the article says. Did he get charged with a hate crime or is it that what the media just called it?
When are those articles from? And I think it's important we know what kind of hate crime he was charged with because in US law a hate crime involving murder can be punishable by life imprisonment or the death penalty.
i have a hard time distinguishing the difference trump's cult and feminists... well, other than the fact that trump's cults is largely a death cult, now. however, both have shown to be irrational and illogical-i've debated with both of then, seen videos of blatant hypocrisy, polls, nonsensical arguments
Notice how 42 unarmed whites were killed by police, 18 of which were killed by a black officer just in 2020, No media coverage, no publicity, no riots
Notice how 31 unarmed blacks were killed by police just in 2020, all over the media, tons of publicity, riot that is burning down the entire city, just like Ferguson, and destroyed just like the Baltimore riots and so on.
The media only report on the weak minded, the weak minded are those that can be manipulated easily, the media have been pushing for a race war for political gain and leverage for years.
They get payed by view... which one would you click on?
“Black officers kill unarmed white man” “White officers kill unarmed black man”
The second one always has people’s attention, not the first one.
Evil will always be among us, it’s tragic that people of all races do these types of acts,
Seung-Hui Cho was behind the Virgina tech shooting. We could sit here all day listing Asian murderers.
Lee Boyd Malvo and John Allen Muhammad we’re behind the D. C sniping killings. Colin Ferguson, Maurice Clemmons, Nathan Dunlap , Christopher Dorner... And we could sit here all day listing other black murderers
Dylan roof, Eric Harris, Dylan klebold, Arthur Martunovich, James Holmes, we could sit here all day listing white murderers
We can keep going, it would take years to list out every person, but every race has committed evil acts against us.
It’s sad that the media only portrays these deaths for political leverage rather than showing the truth of what’s going on. We should care about every race, not just our own race.
1. Media doesn't care to push it. For fairly obvious reasons (media only cares about white/black racial tensions and guns).
2. I think most of the outrage when these racial killings happen are b/c it's from cops. When it's civilians killing civilians, I think most people are just like "ok, that's normal and expected", unless it's a mass shooting. Then people pretend to care.
Protests occur to send a message to oppressors and leaders with actual power to make change. The protests that have occurred stem from injustice where people in law and higher ups are never held accountable for the unjust killings. This guy was quickly put in jail and sentenced to pay for his crime.
You know the saying it's only a crime if you get caught well add to it it's only as big as how many people see it happen. Crimes happen everyday some more hideous than others but society hasn't imploded into total anarchy yet because these crimes simply aren't put on every front page. The case with George Floyd is that everyone and their mother saw it and that's what turned the case of one murder to set a city on fire. Media man they control the flow of everything.
There is very little said it is a white male look at the school shooting the Vegas shooting most of the controversy was 2nd amendment rights not the fact that people died innocent unarmed people and this leads other mentally disturbed people with the idea if you don't agree with someone or something you have the right to kill or condem
Do you have any idea just how many heinous crimes including murder that there are in a year. There is no way that we can cover all of them. It’s not a liberal agenda shit, it’s that we can’t possibly discuss all murder cases that happen in the country.
People don't exactly react to things they are not familiar with maximum intensity. If it was something where narrative was already established I wouod pressume there would have been more people reacting to it...
@Ad_Quid_Orator Sorry! I thought you were face-on-keyboard-name man! I first came to this site because of the rantings of someone with 1996 at the end of his name, I wonder if it's the same, even more radicalised loser.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Don’t project, you’re the one who can’t seem to recognize actual fallacies.
Your last reply was a strawman because you assumed that I’m oblivious to something I’m not actually oblivious to.
I know blacks suffer a lot of injustices, I ain’t oblivious to that. What I’m saying is why do liberals stay silent when they constantly claim to care about everyone equally. “because certain races suffer more than others” isn’t a valid answer because the bulk of the liberal narrative is “equality for all”. Marginalization is the opposite of caring about equality.
You also ignore the fact that the Air Marshals who roughed up David Anh didn’t even get arrested.
But you are oblivious to them supporting more injustices than the rest of the population. If you want equality for all you will focus more of your efforts on groups who more often face inequality just like if you want all children to have equal access to education, you'll build more schools in places that have less (and in either case, you're not playing favorites or marginalizing). Again, all you're doing is contriving hypocrisy.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Again you’re making more faulty assumptions and contradictions.
Pretty much what you are saying is that I should put the issues of my people aside just because my people aren’t usually targeted in hate crimes? Do you realize how ridiculous and hypocritical that sounds coining out of the mouth of someone who’s ideology claims to “EQUALLY” care about all people?
It would be hypocritical if I said that but alas I did not and you're twisting what I said to fit your fictitious narrative of the morally pretentious leftist. I said more (but not all) efforts to combat inequality should be focused at helping groups that face discrimination more often just like giving more food aid to countries that have more hungry people isn't marginalizing people who are suffering in countries where hunger is less prevalent. I'm not saying that individuals can't or shouldn't focus on hate crimes against certain groups even though others have it harder I'm saying that if one group faces more discrimination than others it's only appropriate there would be a greater outcry against the injustices committed against that group.
Yeah and if you want true equality you'll focus more effort on groups that face more discrimination just like if you want equal access to healthcare you'll build more hospitals in places that have less.
Both apples and oranges are great sources of vitamins, electrolytes and fiber and in both situations you have to direct more resources against the disenfranchised group to reach equality.
In this context they are perfectly comparable and you're only pretending otherwise because they refute your argument and show that you're contriving a double standard.
And with any service, if you want people to have equal access to it, you'll put more resources to increase availability in areas that have less of it. Again, you're case is refuted.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Again you haven’t refuted anything. You are comparing apples and oranges again. A professional service is not the same as a social movement.
Depending on what you're looking at, apples and oranges can be compared and just because they're not exactly the same doesn't mean the principal doesn't apply to both (because it does). Give it up.
Or would it be playing favorites for the activist group to focus their activities in places where pollution has a greater impact on the lives of the individuals living there?
Now you're just using rhetoric in a vain attempt to cover your ass. Yeah those can't be compared because they're different situations? Well police brutality and hate crimes are different crimes but that doesn't stop you from comparing them.
But not the ones that you listed (especially not when comparing getting dragged off a plane to being asphyxiated with a knee to the neck). But either way, activist efforts (whatever they're for) are focused primarily (but not exclusively) where they're needed most and crying "apples and oranges" doesn't make it hypocrisy or selective outrage.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Both things can be considered a hate crime. The only reason why the David Dao incident isn’t called a hate crime is because none of the 4 Air Marshals were arrested and charged with hate crime charges.
They could be considered as such. Just like campaigning against pollution and police brutality are both forms of activism and both would rightfully focus more of their campaigning against places that are more polluted and demographics disproportionately more likely to suffer from police brutality.
Even if it doesn't, it would be expected that an activist group opposing either would focus more efforts on areas or demographics more impacted by them.
Not if the activism is allocated in accordance with where the issue in question is most prominent (but like I had to spoon feed you multiple times, putting more [but not all] emphasis on where an issue is most prominent isn't neglecting other locations). I mean if you had 2 towns, one where 5 people were killed by police brutality and another where 43 people were killed, would you really expect there to be the same amount of protests in each town? Well, if the first town was predominately Asian and the latter was predominately black YOU would.
Yes, because excess police brutality in a nationwide problem but you're so myopic that you think that these are primarily due to the killing of George Floyd and the "SocJus proto-Totalitarian" boogeyman.
@Ad_Quid_Orator How many times do I have to tell you that the primary focus of these protests is the fact that 3 of the police officers involved are not in jail?
You can shout it till your blue but it doesn't change the fact that there is a long standing history of police brutality and that mass movements often have rallying cries.
In what way are Asians being marginalized? I mean they were subjected to a spike in hate crimes due to pandameic paranoia but there was an outcry against that. Yes, hate crimes against Asians occurred before then but they were less likely to suffer from hate crimes than the rest of the US population. That's not to say that hate crimes against Asians don't matter it's just that people who campaign against hate crimes would (rightfully) focus more (but not all) of their efforts in helping demographics more frequently subjected to hate crimes.
On it's own it doesn't but it adds a lot more credence when he cites his sources. But posting a video discussing the public perception of Asian stereotypes doesn't get you any closer to making the case for stereotyping Asians being more acceptable than doing the same to African Americans.
A source being "biased" doesn't make it unreliable by default (and not all of the sources he cited were biased in the first place) but you could post plenty of examples but it doesn't show that stereotyping of Asians is more acceptable than African Americans.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Steve Harvey is not known for making fun of other races.
Again your bias still doesn’t let you see the obvious socially acceptable discrimination against Asians. Do you need another example? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5KF18Cqy53o
@Ad_Quid_Orator Well we can both agree to disagree on who gets stereotyped more often. But agree that stereotypes can affect people of every group in some way.
When q white person does it, they're "mentally ill". When a black person does it, they're "dangerous criminals". When an Asian person does it, they're "terror suspects".
This is literally the first I've heard of this incident. If the media do not report it, most people outside of the immediate area will not hear about it unless the people take it viral.
Yes, and blacks aren't racist. Hence why a friend who is mulatto was told by some fat (eats a whale a day) black woman he wasn't "dark enough" to be black.
@WarAmongUS I’m really not I’m just tired of having to explain the same thing over again. I’ve done way too many arguments and honestly I’m just tired. There’s no point in trying when we won’t see eye to eye. Sooo cool!
True, people need to stop viewing injustices against Floyd George as the sole cause of the outrage but rather a catalyst for a reaction inspired by a long standing history of police brutality.
What happened is terrible. However I think this incident was prob covered on local news what happened with George Floyd and Brianna Taylor made national news and that what cause outraged
Or because Asians are less likely to suffer from hate crimes as the overall populous while black people are more likely to suffer from police brutality?
You're comparing a Insane Delusional man to a trained Public Official paid by our tax dollars hired by the city to protect and serve, so why would a regular crazed citizen with a mental health issue, who we don't pay to protect mix with "critical thinking" your a dumb ass and must've dropped on your head as a baby, weren't you
Your feelings hurt buddy? You upset cause you had to take your head out if the sand to look and see how stupid and delusional you're that your comparison can't be compared to the George Floyd situation? Stop reaching and actually go read a book so you can gain knowledge on what a comparison is or maybe your obcessed with that serial killing 5150, and that's why you keep bringing him up huh? Sounds like you might need help? Are you thinking of physically harming anyone?
No, I didn't miss the point. He was arrested on the spot. Not two months later because he claimed he had a right to kill these men or that they attacked him or some other nonsense. Again, it isn't my job to point out discrimination against Asian-Americans. I don't even know how discrimination against the community even manifests. It is up to Asian-Americans to do that. It is up to them to create organizations and media that highlights and talks about that.
And freaks like you need to shut their mouth when they do.
Dude, this happened over a year ago.
Anyway, an Asian-American man who actually cares about racism against Asian-Americans. I give you Angry Asian Man.
Woman Arrested for Posting Racist Notes on Homes On Friday, a Bay Area woman was arrested for posting racist notes on homes in San Leandro. 52-year-old Nancy Arechiga is accused of taping up messages on trees and the doors of at least five homes in the Heron Bay neighborhood. The full-page hand-written notes begin with the preamble of the U. S. Constitution, then demand that the recipient "go back" to their country of origin. One of the notes ends with a very specific ultimatum: "You have until the day May/23/2020 Saturday 10:30 AM to leave this country. In this country no Asian allowed. My country U. S. A." Arechiga was arrested for distributing threatening messages that "instilled fear and intimidation upon those residents," according to police. Like I said, this is some high effort racism.
Clearly you know nothing about the Asian American community and many Asian American civil rights groups were outraged and formed protests. Yet non no of you left wing folks joined the protests.
I keep replying cause you keep spouting off nonsense by making faulty assumptions.
If anything you exposed yourself as someone who can’t have a civilized conversation without staying on topic or hurling petty insults. Grow up, you’re 48 years old.
Still not done embarrassing yourself with your faulty assumptions?
If you’d read all of my posts you’d realize that I’m perhaps the only person on this website that actually cares about the Japanese-American community because I’m of part Japanese ancestry.
*sighs* *facepalm* I’m not just talking about our discussion, I’m talking about my other posts on this website. One of which I linked a few replies ago.
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