Why do SJW soy eating leftists deny Adolf Hitler being a Vegan & a socialist?

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nightdrot · Accepted Answer

In brief, while I can't speak to the veganism - other than perhaps its' trendiness - the mistake about socialism is more understandable. Not less wrong for that, but given the rather unhappy relationship between Germany and the USSR beginning in 1941 - it being forgotten that they were briefly allies - and the way the Nazis treated the communists in Germany, it is not too surprising.

In summary, who said this? "I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow." The year was 1930 and it was a rising German politician named Adolf Hitler.

In fact, Hitler was not a socialist, in the strict sense. He was, however, a National Socialist. The modifier matters but the theories were related.

Socialists of the Marxist sort believed that the division of the classes was the driving force in History - with a capital "H." The difference was that National Socialists argued that the competition between the races - not classes - was the fundamental engine of History.

They were both socialist, but differed on what they saw as the central motive force of history. In fact, "Mein Kempf," Hitler's seminal work, is replete with attacks on what he and other socialists called the "rich decadent Anglo-Saxon capitalists." There was no love of capitalism in Hitler's worldview.

That Hitler got support from business interests is less a matter of his ideology than the belief among certain sectors of Germany's upper class that the Socialists were an immediate threat. It was less a question of ideas and more a question of practicalities as they were seen at the time.

Moreover, the business class was, while not socialist, not conservative either. They were classical liberals and thus there was an intellectual pedigree that, at a very fundamental level, linked the business community to the National Socialists, and indeed in a different way even to the socialists. All were coming out of the 18th century Enlightenment.

As an aside, the strongest opposition to both the Socialists and the National Socialists came, in Germany, from the aristocracy, particularly the Junkers. It was no coincidence that the man who came closest to killing Hitler was a count. (von Stauffenberg.)

It was also why, when he survived, Hitler set about destroying the aristocracy. Essentially, when the assassination plot failed, the aristocracy was finally and irrevocably shattered and its hold, particularly on the officer corps, would never be restored. (It is also why Karl Doenitz, and not a German general, would succeed Hitler upon his suicide.)

(On a lighter not, it was von Rundstedt who would refer to Hitler derisively as "the corporal" with all the sneering disdain he could muster. It was only Hitler's belief that he needed von Rundstedt's talents that prevented him from moving against the Field Marshall.)

The point being that the capitalist vs socialist dichotomy that many are fond of drawing is too simple and misses much intellectual history. It also ignores the fact that what added so much bitterness and ferocity to the National Socialist/Socialist divide was that each was seeking, by their lights, to define truth for the whole of socialism - while fishing for essentially the same voters.

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errorgoodnameunfound · Accepted Answer

I don't know many of them who'd outright deny that, but for sure he's often not looked at in that light, but should be. It is true that he was a liberal arts failure with more recognizable proof being his poems and especially his paintings. Not sure if he was vegan, but I have heard he was obsessed with animal welfare much like PETA is today which, I will leave a video below how I feel about them, as they are literally some of the biggest backwards idiots in existence.

What I wish more the OP would have pointed out instead of the cliche "he was a socialist" stuff is that he was actually, like many kids of today, raised/spoiled by women growing up, his mother and sisters. His mother married an abusive brute who died early on and had no father/true male figure which seems to have resulted in much less discipline. Therefore, him throwing a fit about art school rejection makes sense, as he was a spoiled brat who never developed any real skills outside of art, yet demanded that it translate to success. And yes, this does in fact parallel many libs of today. But furthermore, the OP should perhaps add a statement too about his family dynamic at the time as it could easily be used to argue a conservative family take and such.

No offence to the OP, but this is why people so desperate to "own the libs" fail just as hard as they often do in vice versa. Even when the more "right wing" people have decent points, they recycle the same lame pandering shit instead of actually coming up with less mentioned, but better points and don't gain any new people, but instead just preach to a shrinking choir.

And yes, this was meant to be a centrist libertarian bash of both sides. It's desperately needed. Here's the PETA vid I promised and yes, the "protect the animals" asshats include Hitler, but he took Foamy's advice long ago fortunately. (his advice is more for eco warriors, but same/similar shit as vegans anyways) Many are yet to do so.

RoxyFoxx · Accepted Answer

First of all, I don't think "SJW soy eating leftists" exist outside your idiotic mind. Secondly, Adolf Hitler was NOT a socialist (for the record, I consider socialism to be MORE EVIL than Nazism). His only link to socialism was that he called himself a "National Socialist". None of his policies were similar to those of actual socialists like Lenin or Stalin (who, as I've already said, were worse than Hitler). Thirdly, your argument here is basically:
Hitler was a vegan.
Hitler was evil.
Therefore, being vegan=evil.
This is a classic example of an ASSOCIATION FALLACY. Another example which you might understand:
1 is a number.
2 is a number.
Therefore, 1=2.
See that? That's why your argument is so stupid.

Bratsondanielle · Accepted Answer

Lol I have no idea. I know he was German president like 100 years ago and he didn't like Jewish people and when all of Europe were fighting the greatest country in the world 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲had to help the world as usual so we flew there and kicked his little fat butt and saves the world

OlderAndWiser · Answer

I suppose they deny that because they also know that your reputation is based on the company that you keep.

ThisDudeHere · Answer

Add in a weird choice of hair style (moustache) and he has another thing in common with modern SJWs.

Kaneki05 · Answer

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics. Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements. Adolf Hitler and other proponents denied that Nazism was either left-wing or right-wing: instead, they officially portrayed Nazism as a syncretic movement. In Mein Kampf, Hitler directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany, saying:

Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors... But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms.

No one should even argue about this jeez they followed right wing polices but called them self neither. And it's as simple as that.

Exterminatore · Answer

I do not know if Hitler was a vegan or not, what is absolutely historically probable is he was a socialist. That’s what national socialism is. It’s the promotion of socialism within a nation, but separated from being part of the international aspect. Prior to this the socialist/communist agenda was international. The idea was for the workers of the world to unite and usher in the workers paradise globally.

Hitler’s Germany dropped the international component and had national socialism. Meaning Germany would be socialist, but not connected to the grater international movement.

To be technical Hitlers Germany, economically at least appears to be more of a mixture of socialism and capitalism than pure socialism. More like the 3rd position economy, however it was certainly more socialist than anything.

On a side note I find it difficult to determine if the Nazis were left or right wing. On one hand they seem to embrace much fascist doctrine, but not all of it. I do think there is a definite distinction between nazism and fascism. Italy was fascist and they rejected much of Hitler’s ideas, though were eventually forced by Hitler to implement them, in particular the final solution. Nazism and fascism are not one in the same. The Nazis, economically seem to have accepted leftist economic philosophy but socially seemed to be more conservative, albeit demented with their master race theories and the genocide that accompanied that ideology.

Bluemax · Answer

White, capitalist, meat eating hater of soy and socialism checking in here.

Hitler wasn't a failed liberal arts student. You can't be a failed student if you never were an actual student. He didn't even make it that far. He was rejected and never went to college. Also, he would have been a fine arts student.

Hitler wasn't a vegan. He was nominally a vegetarian (and there is a difference). It is questionable how much of a vegetarian he was. Albert Speers, Rudolf Hess, Martin Borman, all wrote at various times that Hitler *did* eat meat (the occasional sausage). He seems to have stopped eating it more and more as the war progressed, such so that some time around '42 he seems to have stopped eating it altogether. His belief in vegetarianism stemmed more from wanting to portray an image of having a modest lifestyle. He wanted Germany to subscribe to a vegetarian diet, but it's unclear just how serious he was about that.

As far as comparing people to Hitler, no matter who is doing (left or right), let's just say I'm not comfortable with it unless it's like Pol Pot or Stalin or Idi Amin. Otherwise, unless you have tens of millions of dead in your wake, and an entire continent laid waste upon your death, then I really don't like these reductio ad Hitlerum arguments.

Dargil · Answer

Because they desperately want him to be "right wing". Just like they desperately want to deny responsibility for:
American slavery.
The trail of tears.
The KKK/Nathan Bedford Forrest.
The Confederacy/Civil War.
Jim Crow
George Wallace Orville Faubus Lester Maddox Bull Conner
Activation of the National Guard by Eisenhower.
Assorted 20th century riots
BLM and Antifa
The current orchestrated election fraud.
They are just like badly behaved, lying children but infused with rhetoric to deflect the truth.

John_Galt · Answer

I don’t care about his particular diets... but it is important to point out that the NAZI’s were collectivists, authoritarians and national socialists!
In Europe the “left and right” politically, are “communism and fascism”. In America the political “left and right” are “big government and small government”... NOT “communism and fascism“.
Nazi’s were socialist and authoritarians, that is big government and on the left on the political scale! German nazi’s, Stalin’s Soviet Union, Chairman Mao’s China... all the worst crimes against humanity in history, were all done by BIG GOVERNMENTS!!!

Marriedwith2 · Answer

Hitler was a sad little white "man" who was so pathetic that he decided to get the moronic whites who shared his inferiority complex to commit genocide... I can see why you'd want to defend him.

You remind me of the sad little bigots who pathetically and desperately try to pretend that the Right was always the race friendly group by feebly trying to change history in that adorable right wing way.

Funny that somebody who goes by "WHITE KING" is too cowardly to own up to his obvious prejudices... or fitting

Bananaman177 · Answer

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Ad_Quid_Orator · Answer

1. Because the owner class earned a greater percentage of the GDP when Hitler was in power.

2. OK, I've heard claims that he was vegetarian (although that seems quite disputable and it sounds like if anything he was more of a flexitarian) but this is the first time I've heard people say that he was vegan.

In short, because it's BS. It's like saying North Korea is "democratic" because it's called the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" and that the "Libertarian Party of the USA" is libertarian because it's in their name. In both cases they're a totalitarian system/ideology.

Yaaten · Answer

This is ridiculous. Adolph Hitler was neither a vegan nor a socialist. He was a vegetarian (big difference), and his "socialist" policies for Germany were to curry the favour of the German General Staff, the Army, implemented policies that effectively eliminated independent unions, sent socialists and communists to concentration camps, and in 1941 invaded the USSR. He was against worker's rights and sought (and attained) the support of big companies like Siemens and Krupp.
I am just SO sick and tired of arch-reactionaries such as yourself not understanding the BASIC differences between socialism, communism and fascism. If you're going to invite me to your questions, then at least get the facts straight. That might help you know.

zoeadams3 · Answer

That Hitler was a right winger was a lie from Stalin’s propaganda machine. Hitler, Stalin, and any extreme state control is left wing. The true right is laissez faire libertarian.

pajamasam · Answer

Who fucking cares. This question is a waste of space. I love history as much as anyone but does it really make a difference if he were vegan? And of course he was a socialist its in the nazi parties name the national socialist party.

FocusOfSuspicion · Answer

Well he wasn’t vegan. Gandhi was though, and very well liked at the time. This was a lie spread for publicity, not the actual truth. He tried to ride the coat tails of Gandhi’s popularity.

1truekhaleesi · Answer

There's different kinds of socialism. I can name several dozen meat eaters who were serial killers.

ronaldo75 · Answer

Because SJWs love to hyper-associate and hyper-relativize. They've called milk a form of white supremacy because people on the right support breastfeeding and feeding babies cow milk. They've called the "ok" hand symbol racist because a few Trump supporters used it. AOC said it was "colonized" for people to grow foods in the Bronx that aren't grown for traditional Latin cooking. This is how stupid they've become.

So to them, if HItler was a vegan socalist (which he was and it's been proven many times) then they will have to associate and relate themselves to him.

mich15smith · Answer

prob because he never supported the worker ownership of the means of production or workplace democracy which means he was by definition not a socialist. And to compare the nazi's hatred of the jews to people not liking how people on the right say all lives matter to diminish the black lives matter movment is actually insane.

Just_someone23 · Answer

Adolf was also a wack job. Don't you watch Hogan's Heroes?

prince350 · Answer

There is a study somewhere that once we feel good about a particular thing we do (compared to others) we automatically allow ourselves to do something worse in another area (a moral high ground turned into indulgence).
Quite possible Adolf felt so good about not killing any animals or causing them to die that he found it easy to justify mass slaughter of humans who by and large ate those poor things.

disgustingweebtrash · Answer

I'm not sure why people are so adamant that he was 100% right wing, he was a bit of both left and right really, probably more left since his economic policies put him far on the left, but people forget that there's more to it than just right/left, there's an authoritarian/libertarian scale and of course.. Hitler ranks very high on the authoritarian scale

John_Doesnt · Answer

He wasn't vegan, he advocated vegetarianism. He ate meat occasionally. And he wasn't a socialist either. If he was socialist he would not have been a fascist and he would not have forced a specific religion on people. A requirement of joining the Nazi party, and still is, is that the person has to be Christian. That's not socialist, it's fundamentalist and a theocracy.
You're twisting history to meet your own agenda.

michael1469 · Answer

Schools, police, fire dept, roads, military, garbage pickup, city owned water, sewer, electric companies, welfare and insurance companies... all socialist... yet we call our economy captialism... so whats your point?

Avicenna · Answer

Hitler was also an environmentalist- he would have heartily approved of the corporatism and statism of the Green New Deal. Corporatism was what his regime was all about, just like today's (technocratic) left.

zagor · Answer

He also loved dogs. Would you therefore associate that attribute with his more evil propensities as well?

Smoothing · Answer

Hitler was a communist not a socialist. Ther is a very big difference. Though both socialism and communism are regarded as left wing systems of politics.

glock33sig357 · Answer

What Adolf did was atrocious but the things he did are emulated by SJW's & vegans on a larger scale and within their warped hypocritical minds can't see the similarities between them and him and his thought process.

Astarlessnightsky · Answer

Socialists? Never. Vegeterian, yes.  Even though its not as surprising as it is now, since everyone was eating way less meat back than.

EssenceOfLight · Answer

You have forgot to mention that Adolf was homo or bi-sexual.
Eva Braun was just alibi girlfriend, his big love was Rudolf Speer.
The only thing that differs him from SJWs is that he hated different minority than they do.

cnhinton · Answer

Fascism is right wing on social issues and centrist on economic issues.

They believe in state capitalism.

But nevertheless, pure socialism is idiotic and doesn't work.

It sounds good in theory, but fails in practice.

Anonymous · Answer

You can't call yourself "white king" and then compare SJWs to Hitler. Redpill yourself on Cultural Marxism and WW2 and you'll see why this is cringe-worthy.

genericname85 · Answer

how can you deny that Hitler was a socialist? i mean "NAZI" litterally means "national-SOCIALIST"

i didn't know he was a vegan and i don't know if that's true or not. in either case: i don't think that matters anyway.

Jackblue · Answer

He also encouraged rebellions in the Middle East. The Japanese portrayed themselves as the liberators of all people of color, so the Nation of Islam supported them and did everything to hinder the war effort.

jshm2 · Answer

Because there are plenty of Jews who are left leaning, vegans and socialists.  Doesn't mean they support Hitler too, numb nut.

loveslongnails · Answer

Hitler wasn't a Socialist, he was a Fascist and a satanist. Why do you like to pimp the "left" when the "right" is equally whacked?

ShootShootBangBang · Answer

I hate soy. I love beef and fish. Maybe that’s why I don’t consider myself left or right.

msc545 · Answer

Why does any of this matter, and what does eating soy have to do with anything?

Agape93 · Answer

National socialist, to clarify

Twalli · Answer

He wasn't a socialist. Nazism is one of the most extreme right wing ideologies

Pete671 · Answer

Hitler was vege no vegan,,,  What does SJW mean please?,,,

OddBeMe · Answer

He wasn’t socialist. He admitted to using the name to gain popularity with the working class.

Sevenpointfive · Answer

they'll deny anything to piss us off

Givemore · Answer

Antifa is like the SS Gestapo.

Syrian_survivor · Answer

This question is massively cursed 🤣

Likes2drive · Answer

I have no idea or that he was

ChrisG30 · Answer

So you are a trump supporter.

Anonymous · Answer

Fascists everywhere So sad

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