Not putting up with it to begin with. People seem to refuse to make the distinction between healthy, normal perfectly natural "masculinity" and the toxic kind. They would rather hide behind "it doesn't exist" because they want to pass off thier shitty, entitled, overbearing macho behavior as correct and somehow "masculine." Then if course they will try to divert and bring up the "feminazis," who statistically are more likely to just be annoying and repetitive. As opposed to lashing out at/hurting you for rejecting them. Or the usual calling another guy gay because he wears fucking nail polish lol. It's so fascinating how just a little bit of literal paint can set off these types, who often label themselves "logical" and not "emotional." So instead of being accountable these guys will point at everyone else but themselves. As predicted. So yeah I think challenging it head on has proved the most affective so far, they don't like it when you match thier energy.
Ok she talks about boys-not-men. Maybe the word toxic masculinity may be sexist but you can't complain about sexism and also generalize feminists and talk shit about women. This makes you hypocritical. I personally believe in toxic masculinity/feminity since according to biology men are physically stronger and more agressive due to testeron and so can hurt people with their physical advantage to gain power while women can only mentally hurt people to gain power. So anyone who can't control their instincts needs help. I believe the asker of the question has good intentions but express herself a little bad. So stop attacking her.
Sure, a great way would be to start appreciating the men in your life
Ask yourself, do they sacrifice a lot for my happiness?
Ask yourself do you even come close in reciprocal effort?
Think about your own toxic femininity; have you ever exploited a man's affection for a free lunch or money? Lead him on just because you wanted attention?
Have you made any effort to ease a man's suffering after a long job you're frankly too lazy or privileged to be bothered with?
Have you ever looked at male suicide statistics and thought about if you've ever pushed a man closer to that abyss with your behavior?
A great way to eliminate toxic masculinity is to treat men like human beings.
Well for starters teaching young boys that it's ok to cry or be sensitive would be good. Not telling men that being a stay at home dad with a working wife is a bad thing. Not implying that male homosexuals are weaker. There's a lot of stuff that men are just expected to do and it probably hurts a lot of young boys growing up knowing that they don't fit into the typical "masculine" criteria.
A lot of guys don't understand that toxic masculinity doesn't just refer to masculinity in general and they start getting extremely defensive about it.
Socially condemning toxic masculinity is the way to go, as in all harmful and abusive behavior excused as “being manly”.
Women need to not accept toxic masculine behavior and call attention to it. Let’s be honest, most toxically masculinity behavior is targeted towards women (as in catcalling).
Lastly, the “toxic femininity” in society has increased as toxic masculinity as decreased. This is a zero sum game. Toxic femininity needs to be as heavily socially condemned, even legally condemned if necessary (such as “trap baby” pregnancies, false sexual harassment claims, etc.).
Trapping men doesn’t exist. That’s all the guy’s fault. Unless she lies about being on birth control or something. Second off false sexual harassment claims or whatever aren’t feminine. There’s no such thing as toxic femininity. And in reality, those types of claims have 100% decreased.
? That’s not my fault you’re such an ignorant fool to think that. You people are the ones that nut to get the girl pregnant, the fact that y’all even try to say that y’all were trapped 😂😂 hilarious.
The best way to combat toxic masculinity is through women. Women must: 1) recognize TM (this requires picking up on subtle social cues) 2) ridicule the person for making the TM comment
there's also an important distinction between "locker room talk" and "toxic masculinity".
Toxic masculinity is when men make comments that are CONSCIOUSLY INTENDED to degrade other people.
This is different from, say, joking about being gay in a lighthearted manner (which might be offensive to some, but isn't toxic or intended with malice)
The way to fix this is to get to the root of the culture problem. People will always have different ideas from each other. We need to go back to talking things out, debating, and respectfully disagreeing but understanding our opponents' views. The cancel culture is toxic. I am all for letting people have any views so long as it does not violate another person's liberty. So no violence basically.
Hi I'm like becky like I hate Chad and tyrone for having toxic masculinity so all like dudes have toxic masculinity. Men who are ugly to me and are just totally normal are also toxic EW. What I should say is I'm not happy so someone needs to fix it for me please and thank you losers. Ha ha ha. You choose the company of people to interact with. I've had bad interactions guess what I used my two legs and butt cheeks GTFO and went somewhere else. You will never guess that oh gasp there are other people who weren't terrible. Huh I live in the world and that's the world I can assure you. Oh wait maybe if the individual does not repeat cyclic behavior different results will occur. I ate fatty foods now I'm overweight and can't climb stairs someone make it so I can eat fat and levitate or your a bad person like omg.
We should definitely have an explicit, concrete definition for it. You can't fight what you can't identify.
So first things first, we need to fix that vague-ass definition of "traditional cultural masculine norms that can be harmful to men, women, and society overall." Because half of the important words there are already vague terms to most Americans, even without being cobbled together like that.
There is no such thing as "toxic masculinity." Men need to be masculine. It is quite natural for men to be strong, powerful, dominant. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. It is also normal for women to be gentle, caring, supportive. After all, men and women are different and complementary, they don't have to be equal in everything.
From how I see it Toxic Masculinity is either 1. Largely a Myth or 2. a Misattributed concept to apply specifically to men (or male traits) which could easily apply to all? or 3. IF it does indeed exist, its clear that society is more interest in tackling certain issues that can be applied to specific groups (Whites, Males, Heterosexuals) while largely ignoring the actions of others?
What would you consider examples of Toxic Masculinity and would you consider Toxic Femininity a thing?
Once the snowflakes that wear tight jeans and drink craft beers are evicted from the US, so masculinity is no longer seen as a threat to their fragile egos. Masculinity is only toxic to the weak.
You just called all women weak. You’re clearly a sexist, and a damn idiot. Not gonna read your crap. Stop being a toxic asshole. Toxic masculinity needs to go.
All feminists don’t think everything significant which makes a man is toxic. It’s just a very ignorant statement, and what makes a soy boy is subjective. What are you talking about?
I feel irritated by the term 'toxic'. Does it actually mean something? Men (or women) aren't the problem in the U. S. - the culture itself is: you can't build a house with only bricks, but no mortar.
You mis-interpret that: what I say is that (in my opinion) the base of things not being right is not the fault of a specific gender, but rather comes from flaws in (your) society's overall setup.
Toxic masculinity literally is a term made by mainstream feminists to use it against men being masculine. It doesn't exist. They just relate it with some stereotypical bs which is there regardless of gender. They really changed the definition of masculinity itself.
Ah some replies got deleted? I guess? Well calling someone dumb can't prove anyone's point, truth is bitter and will stay true. What you're talking about is 'toxic people' in general ig? Cuz apparently you're like 'Many men are toxic' but i never said men can't be toxic. All i said is toxic masculinity isn't true which means masculinity can't be toxic which to further elaborate, a man acting masculine (which a masculine person naturally should do) isn't wrong. What people misunderstand it with is 'A man wearing nail-paint or having feminine traits isn't masculine' and how is that wrong? Those are not masculine traits. With 'women can commit toxic masculinity too' being said, it means that some women also do believe in these stereotypes. Like 'Men don't cry', 'Man up' and stuff like that.
And @Caunsos she herself isn't sure about what she herself meant with 'Toxic masculinity' as you might observe in the above replies. Enjoy your popcorn or whatever 'mature' person.
The fact that you even said the words “mainstream feminists” means I shouldn’t read any of your crap, and I won’t. Toxic masculinity is destroying America and many other countries and it needs to be stopped. That is all.
Head on is the worst way of going about it. Kinda like fat shaming "you're an ugly dumbfuck and that's all you will ever be." Good excuse to dig your heals in and double down.
So more opportunities to make changes for oneself. Maybe even gameify the strategy. This communication approach is E tier because it's a waste of time and resources for anything useful.
Work ethic, responsibility, self determination... freedom to succeed. Freedom to fail. Masculinity is all about taking risks. Driving forward. Creating. Destroying. Changing the world.
Toxicity is causing harm, but exposure to harm, and learning to cope with risk and danger are core to what it means to be masculine. In fact, you could say that masculinity is all about being able to face harm, while staying safe.
Too much of the effort to stop toxic masculinity is about removing masculinity entirely. It thinks it isn't. It thinks it is only protecting men, restraining them for their own good.
Which is a good definition of toxic femininity. Protection, at the cost of freedom.
You guys need to stop pulling toxic femininity out of thin air. There is no such thing. I also disagree with what you said entirely. But I’m not gonna waste my time.
Toxic femininity is when women use their gender to obtain certain privileges. It certainly exists. An example of toxic femininity can be acting weak to get out of a task, which uses women’s physical weakness and their perceived emotional weakness as a tool for manipulation.
Wtf 😂😂😂 manipulation is masculine, not feminine. Being feminine is literal described as weak or soft, you’re just saying anything to appeal to these buttholes.
Toxic feminism is just as bad. Anything that focuses on an outcome-based course of change - like making sure 50% of engineers are women or 50% of nurses are men - results in a slew of crap engineers and terrible nurses.
Change the societal paradigm to seek equality of opportunity instead and allow those whose passion is engineering to become the best engineers and those who have a passion for nursing become the best nurses irrespective of where their reproductive organs are
What is real is toxic masculinity, and the fact that it needs to leave America has not changed. But still, even trying to claim femininity as being toxic is very stupid.
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