Not putting up with it to begin with. People seem to refuse to make the distinction between healthy, normal perfectly natural "masculinity" and the toxic kind. They would rather hide behind "it doesn't exist" because they want to pass off thier shitty, entitled, overbearing macho behavior as correct and somehow "masculine." Then if course they will try to divert and bring up the "feminazis," who statistically are more likely to just be annoying and repetitive. As opposed to lashing out at/hurting you for rejecting them. Or the usual calling another guy gay because he wears fucking nail polish lol. It's so fascinating how just a little bit of literal paint can set off these types, who often label themselves "logical" and not "emotional." So instead of being accountable these guys will point at everyone else but themselves. As predicted. So yeah I think challenging it head on has proved the most affective so far, they don't like it when you match thier energy.
Ok she talks about boys-not-men. Maybe the word toxic masculinity may be sexist but you can't complain about sexism and also generalize feminists and talk shit about women. This makes you hypocritical. I personally believe in toxic masculinity/feminity since according to biology men are physically stronger and more agressive due to testeron and so can hurt people with their physical advantage to gain power while women can only mentally hurt people to gain power. So anyone who can't control their instincts needs help. I believe the asker of the question has good intentions but express herself a little bad. So stop attacking her.
Sure, a great way would be to start appreciating the men in your life
Ask yourself, do they sacrifice a lot for my happiness?
Ask yourself do you even come close in reciprocal effort?
Think about your own toxic femininity; have you ever exploited a man's affection for a free lunch or money? Lead him on just because you wanted attention?
Have you made any effort to ease a man's suffering after a long job you're frankly too lazy or privileged to be bothered with?
Have you ever looked at male suicide statistics and thought about if you've ever pushed a man closer to that abyss with your behavior?
A great way to eliminate toxic masculinity is to treat men like human beings.
Well for starters teaching young boys that it's ok to cry or be sensitive would be good. Not telling men that being a stay at home dad with a working wife is a bad thing. Not implying that male homosexuals are weaker. There's a lot of stuff that men are just expected to do and it probably hurts a lot of young boys growing up knowing that they don't fit into the typical "masculine" criteria.
A lot of guys don't understand that toxic masculinity doesn't just refer to masculinity in general and they start getting extremely defensive about it.
Socially condemning toxic masculinity is the way to go, as in all harmful and abusive behavior excused as “being manly”.
Women need to not accept toxic masculine behavior and call attention to it. Let’s be honest, most toxically masculinity behavior is targeted towards women (as in catcalling).
Lastly, the “toxic femininity” in society has increased as toxic masculinity as decreased. This is a zero sum game. Toxic femininity needs to be as heavily socially condemned, even legally condemned if necessary (such as “trap baby” pregnancies, false sexual harassment claims, etc.).
Trapping men doesn’t exist. That’s all the guy’s fault. Unless she lies about being on birth control or something. Second off false sexual harassment claims or whatever aren’t feminine. There’s no such thing as toxic femininity. And in reality, those types of claims have 100% decreased.
? That’s not my fault you’re such an ignorant fool to think that. You people are the ones that nut to get the girl pregnant, the fact that y’all even try to say that y’all were trapped 😂😂 hilarious.
The best way to combat toxic masculinity is through women. Women must: 1) recognize TM (this requires picking up on subtle social cues) 2) ridicule the person for making the TM comment
there's also an important distinction between "locker room talk" and "toxic masculinity".
Toxic masculinity is when men make comments that are CONSCIOUSLY INTENDED to degrade other people.
This is different from, say, joking about being gay in a lighthearted manner (which might be offensive to some, but isn't toxic or intended with malice)
The way to fix this is to get to the root of the culture problem. People will always have different ideas from each other. We need to go back to talking things out, debating, and respectfully disagreeing but understanding our opponents' views. The cancel culture is toxic. I am all for letting people have any views so long as it does not violate another person's liberty. So no violence basically.
Hi I'm like becky like I hate Chad and tyrone for having toxic masculinity so all like dudes have toxic masculinity. Men who are ugly to me and are just totally normal are also toxic EW. What I should say is I'm not happy so someone needs to fix it for me please and thank you losers. Ha ha ha. You choose the company of people to interact with. I've had bad interactions guess what I used my two legs and butt cheeks GTFO and went somewhere else. You will never guess that oh gasp there are other people who weren't terrible. Huh I live in the world and that's the world I can assure you. Oh wait maybe if the individual does not repeat cyclic behavior different results will occur. I ate fatty foods now I'm overweight and can't climb stairs someone make it so I can eat fat and levitate or your a bad person like omg.
We should definitely have an explicit, concrete definition for it. You can't fight what you can't identify.
So first things first, we need to fix that vague-ass definition of "traditional cultural masculine norms that can be harmful to men, women, and society overall." Because half of the important words there are already vague terms to most Americans, even without being cobbled together like that.
There is no such thing as "toxic masculinity." Men need to be masculine. It is quite natural for men to be strong, powerful, dominant. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. It is also normal for women to be gentle, caring, supportive. After all, men and women are different and complementary, they don't have to be equal in everything.
From how I see it Toxic Masculinity is either 1. Largely a Myth or 2. a Misattributed concept to apply specifically to men (or male traits) which could easily apply to all? or 3. IF it does indeed exist, its clear that society is more interest in tackling certain issues that can be applied to specific groups (Whites, Males, Heterosexuals) while largely ignoring the actions of others?
What would you consider examples of Toxic Masculinity and would you consider Toxic Femininity a thing?
Once the snowflakes that wear tight jeans and drink craft beers are evicted from the US, so masculinity is no longer seen as a threat to their fragile egos. Masculinity is only toxic to the weak.
You just called all women weak. You’re clearly a sexist, and a damn idiot. Not gonna read your crap. Stop being a toxic asshole. Toxic masculinity needs to go.
All feminists don’t think everything significant which makes a man is toxic. It’s just a very ignorant statement, and what makes a soy boy is subjective. What are you talking about?
I feel irritated by the term 'toxic'. Does it actually mean something? Men (or women) aren't the problem in the U. S. - the culture itself is: you can't build a house with only bricks, but no mortar.
You mis-interpret that: what I say is that (in my opinion) the base of things not being right is not the fault of a specific gender, but rather comes from flaws in (your) society's overall setup.
Toxic masculinity literally is a term made by mainstream feminists to use it against men being masculine. It doesn't exist. They just relate it with some stereotypical bs which is there regardless of gender. They really changed the definition of masculinity itself.
Ah some replies got deleted? I guess? Well calling someone dumb can't prove anyone's point, truth is bitter and will stay true. What you're talking about is 'toxic people' in general ig? Cuz apparently you're like 'Many men are toxic' but i never said men can't be toxic. All i said is toxic masculinity isn't true which means masculinity can't be toxic which to further elaborate, a man acting masculine (which a masculine person naturally should do) isn't wrong. What people misunderstand it with is 'A man wearing nail-paint or having feminine traits isn't masculine' and how is that wrong? Those are not masculine traits. With 'women can commit toxic masculinity too' being said, it means that some women also do believe in these stereotypes. Like 'Men don't cry', 'Man up' and stuff like that.
And @Caunsos she herself isn't sure about what she herself meant with 'Toxic masculinity' as you might observe in the above replies. Enjoy your popcorn or whatever 'mature' person.
The fact that you even said the words “mainstream feminists” means I shouldn’t read any of your crap, and I won’t. Toxic masculinity is destroying America and many other countries and it needs to be stopped. That is all.
Head on is the worst way of going about it. Kinda like fat shaming "you're an ugly dumbfuck and that's all you will ever be." Good excuse to dig your heals in and double down.
So more opportunities to make changes for oneself. Maybe even gameify the strategy. This communication approach is E tier because it's a waste of time and resources for anything useful.
Work ethic, responsibility, self determination... freedom to succeed. Freedom to fail. Masculinity is all about taking risks. Driving forward. Creating. Destroying. Changing the world.
Toxicity is causing harm, but exposure to harm, and learning to cope with risk and danger are core to what it means to be masculine. In fact, you could say that masculinity is all about being able to face harm, while staying safe.
Too much of the effort to stop toxic masculinity is about removing masculinity entirely. It thinks it isn't. It thinks it is only protecting men, restraining them for their own good.
Which is a good definition of toxic femininity. Protection, at the cost of freedom.
You guys need to stop pulling toxic femininity out of thin air. There is no such thing. I also disagree with what you said entirely. But I’m not gonna waste my time.
Toxic femininity is when women use their gender to obtain certain privileges. It certainly exists. An example of toxic femininity can be acting weak to get out of a task, which uses women’s physical weakness and their perceived emotional weakness as a tool for manipulation.
Wtf 😂😂😂 manipulation is masculine, not feminine. Being feminine is literal described as weak or soft, you’re just saying anything to appeal to these buttholes.
Simplest way is to just let people do what they want. Masculinity only becomes toxic when it's forced on someone. Being muscular and gym rat isn't bad but if someone is shamed for not being that way, then it's a problem.
So the simplest thing, let men do what they want. You wanna grow a beard and gain a ton of muscle? Do it. You want to put on makeup and wear flashy clothes. Do it. You wanna go hiking and have beers on a hill top. Enjoy. You wanna simply sit at a cafe and read? I suggest a hazelnut late with any Agatha Christie novel.
Basically just let people do what they want (as long as it's not hurting anybody else) without judging them.
Read it properly, it clearly says, as long as you're not hurting anybody else, you're free to do what you want. I'm talking about things like let men cry, let boys play with dolls. Basically let people do what gives them happiness as long as they're not hurting anyone. I'm addressing the people who shame a guy for wearing makeup, him doing that isn't hurting anybody and it gives him happiness. Shaming him for that is toxic masculinity. I never said rape or murder somebody cause it's what you want. People who do that are sick. There's no justification for that stuff. Congrats on jumping to stupid conclusions.
Letting them do things that are toxic is not a solution. What’s the point of saying something so stupid as letting them do what they want without hurting anyone, if doing what they want without hurting anyone wouldn’t make toxic masculinity in the first place. You’re basically saying it’s ok for peeping toms to peep cause they aren’t hurting anyone 🤣. Like I said, you typed a bunch of crap.
Isn't a peeping tom causing hinderance to somebody? By hurt, I don't mean just physical harm, it can be any kind of harm or immoral action. Please use some logic. I already mentioned what kind activities I'm talking about. Take for example, a guy likes having nail polish on, but he's shamed for that, that's toxic masculinity. He's been restrained and not allowed to express himself in a comfortable manner. He's not causing problems for anybody else by wearing nail polish, so he should be allowed to do so. Now take the example of a guy feels that he must be tough and act like a bully to be a man, he's gonna end up physically or mentally hurt someone, he might be doing it out of his own wish but he's causing problems for others with this attitude. Furthermore, even if the action doesn't cause harm to others, if the guy feel coerced into cause he has to do it to be accepted as a man, it's toxic masculinity. A man could choose not to drink, but if he's forced by peers to drink in order to prove his manliness, that's toxic.
So the point of my answer was, give men a safe environment to express themselves. As long their actions don't affect anybody else negatively, they should be allowed to do it without judgement.
Before you comment another action like rape or peeping toms, think. If the action causes harm to others, it doesn't fall under my category of expressiveness. If it doesn't affect anybody else, then it can be expressed.
Toxic masculinity stems from the fact that men are forced to follow a certain norm that restricts their actions. This causes them to develop toxic traits. A boy who's never allowed to cry or show emotion, grows up to have a toxic attitude of not expressing feelings and often ending being aggressive.
If the boy was taught at a young the healthy way to express himself and was allowed to be himself, he'd not develop any toxicity, and would learn how to be genuinely good.
Why are all the men triggered lmaooo, like she isn’t referring to every single man she’s not referring to men in general she’s referring to boys. Like when she talks about toxic Masculinity she isn’t talking about men as a whole just some boys so please stop assuming that’s it’s all men cuz ur wrong!
Toxic feminism is just as bad. Anything that focuses on an outcome-based course of change - like making sure 50% of engineers are women or 50% of nurses are men - results in a slew of crap engineers and terrible nurses.
Change the societal paradigm to seek equality of opportunity instead and allow those whose passion is engineering to become the best engineers and those who have a passion for nursing become the best nurses irrespective of where their reproductive organs are
What is real is toxic masculinity, and the fact that it needs to leave America has not changed. But still, even trying to claim femininity as being toxic is very stupid.
There isn't just toxic masculinity. There is a means to undermine what the sexes are, what marriage is, the role of men and women in society. That's what's led to this stage in America.
If you see in America, women are hardly ever devoted to their men. Divorce laws unfairly favor them as well. Let me ask you a personal question: at 19, what toxic masculinity traits to you see around you?
Because there's a paradox here -- men are expected to lead, men are expected to pursue women, men are expected to excel women, and yet expecting those is "toxic masculinity". 😶
But you didn't even get to my point - ask a girl what sort of guy she wants - and when such a man actually exists, you'll dislike him for being a wimp and a loser.
I'm not here to start a flame war with you either, which is why I asked your opinion on it - asking again - what toxic masculinity traits do you see around you? If you could choose the traits in your man, what would it include or exclude?
America has all the freedoms for a woman, the same way as a man, it has work place representation for women, maternity leave, divorce laws favor women. And all of that has been a development over decades, which is great. So I'm curious to know what toxic masculinity you see around you.
Because from what I see, women want a man who dominates, who cares, who pursues, who excels them - but they want this only to the exact measure and timing they wish. Now you can't expect a man to be a mind reader.
That's the best you have about toxic masculinity? So if a woman agree that interracial dating and marriage shouldn't be, does she suffer from toxic masculinity too? 😂
You’re laughing trying to make sound smart but you sound dumb. Read your crap that you say for a change. You’re a toxic guy. And toxic masculinity obviously exists which is why it’s on google 🤦♀️. Toxic masculinity needs to go, and it will.
That’s not even how you say it one 😂😂 two feminism never hurts people. Toxic masculinity does. So how the hell is it far more toxic? Cause women don’t want to be treated like property by you type of rude and controlling men? What an asshole.
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. The people that complain about toxic masculinity believe gender is a social construct , which is a direct contradiction. Then again , social sciences isn't real science.
Most "toxic" triats that femisnt label as toxic masculinity are traits women possess which means it has nothing to do with masculinity or gender.
Saying men who deny toxic masculinity are toxic , just proves further that social sciences isn't based on facts , but rather on feelings and emotions of an individual ie an assumption.
I think toxic femininity is a bigger problem and i am not the least bit surprised a woman asked this question. Typical. Your gender is far far far far far from perfect.
Naming yourself after a goddess this does make sense.
So you do admit you do the same crimes. There are female rapists probably one is a teacher right now and pedophiles one might be even working for child services.
Your shit stinks you are not perfect and never will be.
Girls are good at one thing thou making up lies about rape and abuse? Or do you disagree with that future Amber Heard/Mattress Girl.
i was just saying tht just for them to see that if we tell them its ok to think women are weak or fragile (even tough they are not) than they will respect women more. i dont mean it to harm women i mean it in a more broad view of the topic in general...
And obviously to teach them that women are created from softer side of rib of Adam peace be upon him and that women deserve fine treatment. and that men dont get broken often but women do but dont abuse men aswell or just dont abuse anyone in general wether its animal or human.
A person could be whoever they want to be. I don't know what you call being masculine, but men and women both do masculine things. I think certain things are dumb to call masculine.
Define "toxic masculinity" and then I'll define "toxic femininity" then we can work on getting rid of both at the same time which is the only way to solve it.
That literally makes no sense, and not only that, there’s no such thing as toxic femininity. You must be one of the guys who display toxic masculinity. Yk to say something so stupid.
And then you’re a red pill guy 🤣🤣 no wonder you said something so stupid. No only is your IQ at 0, but you’re a sexist unattractive clown. Go jerk your fat self off loser.
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