Simplest way is to just let people do what they want. Masculinity only becomes toxic when it's forced on someone. Being muscular and gym rat isn't bad but if someone is shamed for not being that way, then it's a problem.
So the simplest thing, let men do what they want. You wanna grow a beard and gain a ton of muscle? Do it. You want to put on makeup and wear flashy clothes. Do it. You wanna go hiking and have beers on a hill top. Enjoy. You wanna simply sit at a cafe and read? I suggest a hazelnut late with any Agatha Christie novel.
Basically just let people do what they want (as long as it's not hurting anybody else) without judging them.
Read it properly, it clearly says, as long as you're not hurting anybody else, you're free to do what you want. I'm talking about things like let men cry, let boys play with dolls. Basically let people do what gives them happiness as long as they're not hurting anyone. I'm addressing the people who shame a guy for wearing makeup, him doing that isn't hurting anybody and it gives him happiness. Shaming him for that is toxic masculinity. I never said rape or murder somebody cause it's what you want. People who do that are sick. There's no justification for that stuff. Congrats on jumping to stupid conclusions.
Letting them do things that are toxic is not a solution. What’s the point of saying something so stupid as letting them do what they want without hurting anyone, if doing what they want without hurting anyone wouldn’t make toxic masculinity in the first place. You’re basically saying it’s ok for peeping toms to peep cause they aren’t hurting anyone 🤣. Like I said, you typed a bunch of crap.
Isn't a peeping tom causing hinderance to somebody? By hurt, I don't mean just physical harm, it can be any kind of harm or immoral action. Please use some logic. I already mentioned what kind activities I'm talking about. Take for example, a guy likes having nail polish on, but he's shamed for that, that's toxic masculinity. He's been restrained and not allowed to express himself in a comfortable manner. He's not causing problems for anybody else by wearing nail polish, so he should be allowed to do so. Now take the example of a guy feels that he must be tough and act like a bully to be a man, he's gonna end up physically or mentally hurt someone, he might be doing it out of his own wish but he's causing problems for others with this attitude. Furthermore, even if the action doesn't cause harm to others, if the guy feel coerced into cause he has to do it to be accepted as a man, it's toxic masculinity. A man could choose not to drink, but if he's forced by peers to drink in order to prove his manliness, that's toxic.
So the point of my answer was, give men a safe environment to express themselves. As long their actions don't affect anybody else negatively, they should be allowed to do it without judgement.
Before you comment another action like rape or peeping toms, think. If the action causes harm to others, it doesn't fall under my category of expressiveness. If it doesn't affect anybody else, then it can be expressed.
Toxic masculinity stems from the fact that men are forced to follow a certain norm that restricts their actions. This causes them to develop toxic traits. A boy who's never allowed to cry or show emotion, grows up to have a toxic attitude of not expressing feelings and often ending being aggressive.
If the boy was taught at a young the healthy way to express himself and was allowed to be himself, he'd not develop any toxicity, and would learn how to be genuinely good.
Why are all the men triggered lmaooo, like she isn’t referring to every single man she’s not referring to men in general she’s referring to boys. Like when she talks about toxic Masculinity she isn’t talking about men as a whole just some boys so please stop assuming that’s it’s all men cuz ur wrong!
There isn't just toxic masculinity. There is a means to undermine what the sexes are, what marriage is, the role of men and women in society. That's what's led to this stage in America.
If you see in America, women are hardly ever devoted to their men. Divorce laws unfairly favor them as well. Let me ask you a personal question: at 19, what toxic masculinity traits to you see around you?
Because there's a paradox here -- men are expected to lead, men are expected to pursue women, men are expected to excel women, and yet expecting those is "toxic masculinity". 😶
But you didn't even get to my point - ask a girl what sort of guy she wants - and when such a man actually exists, you'll dislike him for being a wimp and a loser.
I'm not here to start a flame war with you either, which is why I asked your opinion on it - asking again - what toxic masculinity traits do you see around you? If you could choose the traits in your man, what would it include or exclude?
America has all the freedoms for a woman, the same way as a man, it has work place representation for women, maternity leave, divorce laws favor women. And all of that has been a development over decades, which is great. So I'm curious to know what toxic masculinity you see around you.
Because from what I see, women want a man who dominates, who cares, who pursues, who excels them - but they want this only to the exact measure and timing they wish. Now you can't expect a man to be a mind reader.
That's the best you have about toxic masculinity? So if a woman agree that interracial dating and marriage shouldn't be, does she suffer from toxic masculinity too? 😂
You’re laughing trying to make sound smart but you sound dumb. Read your crap that you say for a change. You’re a toxic guy. And toxic masculinity obviously exists which is why it’s on google 🤦♀️. Toxic masculinity needs to go, and it will.
That’s not even how you say it one 😂😂 two feminism never hurts people. Toxic masculinity does. So how the hell is it far more toxic? Cause women don’t want to be treated like property by you type of rude and controlling men? What an asshole.
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. The people that complain about toxic masculinity believe gender is a social construct , which is a direct contradiction. Then again , social sciences isn't real science.
Most "toxic" triats that femisnt label as toxic masculinity are traits women possess which means it has nothing to do with masculinity or gender.
Saying men who deny toxic masculinity are toxic , just proves further that social sciences isn't based on facts , but rather on feelings and emotions of an individual ie an assumption.
I think toxic femininity is a bigger problem and i am not the least bit surprised a woman asked this question. Typical. Your gender is far far far far far from perfect.
Naming yourself after a goddess this does make sense.
So you do admit you do the same crimes. There are female rapists probably one is a teacher right now and pedophiles one might be even working for child services.
Your shit stinks you are not perfect and never will be.
Girls are good at one thing thou making up lies about rape and abuse? Or do you disagree with that future Amber Heard/Mattress Girl.
i was just saying tht just for them to see that if we tell them its ok to think women are weak or fragile (even tough they are not) than they will respect women more. i dont mean it to harm women i mean it in a more broad view of the topic in general...
And obviously to teach them that women are created from softer side of rib of Adam peace be upon him and that women deserve fine treatment. and that men dont get broken often but women do but dont abuse men aswell or just dont abuse anyone in general wether its animal or human.
A person could be whoever they want to be. I don't know what you call being masculine, but men and women both do masculine things. I think certain things are dumb to call masculine.
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Simplest way is to just let people do what they want.
Masculinity only becomes toxic when it's forced on someone. Being muscular and gym rat isn't bad but if someone is shamed for not being that way, then it's a problem.
So the simplest thing, let men do what they want. You wanna grow a beard and gain a ton of muscle? Do it.
You want to put on makeup and wear flashy clothes. Do it.
You wanna go hiking and have beers on a hill top. Enjoy.
You wanna simply sit at a cafe and read? I suggest a hazelnut late with any Agatha Christie novel.
Basically just let people do what they want (as long as it's not hurting anybody else) without judging them.
A dislike for saying just let people do what they like? Interesting.
Yeah, cause you typed of ban I of crap. That’s like saying let men rape women cause it’s what many of them want. Wow, what a bunch of garbage.
Read it properly, it clearly says, as long as you're not hurting anybody else, you're free to do what you want.
I'm talking about things like let men cry, let boys play with dolls. Basically let people do what gives them happiness as long as they're not hurting anyone. I'm addressing the people who shame a guy for wearing makeup, him doing that isn't hurting anybody and it gives him happiness. Shaming him for that is toxic masculinity.
I never said rape or murder somebody cause it's what you want. People who do that are sick. There's no justification for that stuff.
Congrats on jumping to stupid conclusions.
Letting them do things that are toxic is not a solution. What’s the point of saying something so stupid as letting them do what they want without hurting anyone, if doing what they want without hurting anyone wouldn’t make toxic masculinity in the first place. You’re basically saying it’s ok for peeping toms to peep cause they aren’t hurting anyone 🤣. Like I said, you typed a bunch of crap.
Isn't a peeping tom causing hinderance to somebody? By hurt, I don't mean just physical harm, it can be any kind of harm or immoral action.
Please use some logic.
I already mentioned what kind activities I'm talking about.
Take for example, a guy likes having nail polish on, but he's shamed for that, that's toxic masculinity. He's been restrained and not allowed to express himself in a comfortable manner. He's not causing problems for anybody else by wearing nail polish, so he should be allowed to do so.
Now take the example of a guy feels that he must be tough and act like a bully to be a man, he's gonna end up physically or mentally hurt someone, he might be doing it out of his own wish but he's causing problems for others with this attitude.
Furthermore, even if the action doesn't cause harm to others, if the guy feel coerced into cause he has to do it to be accepted as a man, it's toxic masculinity. A man could choose not to drink, but if he's forced by peers to drink in order to prove his manliness, that's toxic.
So the point of my answer was, give men a safe environment to express themselves. As long their actions don't affect anybody else negatively, they should be allowed to do it without judgement.
Before you comment another action like rape or peeping toms, think. If the action causes harm to others, it doesn't fall under my category of expressiveness. If it doesn't affect anybody else, then it can be expressed.
Toxic masculinity stems from the fact that men are forced to follow a certain norm that restricts their actions. This causes them to develop toxic traits.
A boy who's never allowed to cry or show emotion, grows up to have a toxic attitude of not expressing feelings and often ending being aggressive.
If the boy was taught at a young the healthy way to express himself and was allowed to be himself, he'd not develop any toxicity, and would learn how to be genuinely good.
Why are all the men triggered lmaooo, like she isn’t referring to every single man she’s not referring to men in general she’s referring to boys. Like when she talks about toxic Masculinity she isn’t talking about men as a whole just some boys so please stop assuming that’s it’s all men cuz ur wrong!
There isn't just toxic masculinity. There is a means to undermine what the sexes are, what marriage is, the role of men and women in society. That's what's led to this stage in America.
If you see in America, women are hardly ever devoted to their men. Divorce laws unfairly favor them as well. Let me ask you a personal question: at 19, what toxic masculinity traits to you see around you?
Because there's a paradox here -- men are expected to lead, men are expected to pursue women, men are expected to excel women, and yet expecting those is "toxic masculinity". 😶
Men have always cheated on women more than the opposite, but we aren’t devoted to our partners...😂😂 nice writing a bunch of crap.
Society never condoned cheating.
But you didn't even get to my point - ask a girl what sort of guy she wants - and when such a man actually exists, you'll dislike him for being a wimp and a loser.
I'm not here to start a flame war with you either, which is why I asked your opinion on it - asking again - what toxic masculinity traits do you see around you? If you could choose the traits in your man, what would it include or exclude?
America has all the freedoms for a woman, the same way as a man, it has work place representation for women, maternity leave, divorce laws favor women. And all of that has been a development over decades, which is great. So I'm curious to know what toxic masculinity you see around you.
Because from what I see, women want a man who dominates, who cares, who pursues, who excels them - but they want this only to the exact measure and timing they wish. Now you can't expect a man to be a mind reader.
Get rid of women who think stupid shit. That would be step 1.
But I’ve seen your comments, you are stupid. So what should happen to you?
Nice try.
I regret saying this. Please accept my apologies.
Toxic masculinity doesn't exist. No such thing as Toxic masculinity.
You are 100% toxic, and you 100% have toxic masculinity. Seriously though, I don't know wats wrong with you
Tell me what's toxic about being a masculine man with logic and parrot what you heard or been told to think? Lol
*not parrot
Dude, I’m literally talking to the same guy who thinks that people shouldn’t date outside their race. You are not logical at all, you’re toxic.
That's the best you have about toxic masculinity? So if a woman agree that interracial dating and marriage shouldn't be, does she suffer from toxic masculinity too? 😂
You’re laughing trying to make sound smart but you sound dumb. Read your crap that you say for a change. You’re a toxic guy. And toxic masculinity obviously exists which is why it’s on google 🤦♀️. Toxic masculinity needs to go, and it will.
This dude needs help
Toxic masculinity exists, because too much of ANYTHING is bad.
But toxic masculinity is rare.
I have a better idea. Get rid of toxic feminism. Feminism is FAR more toxic that what they purport to be fighting against.
That’s not even how you say it one 😂😂 two feminism never hurts people. Toxic masculinity does. So how the hell is it far more toxic? Cause women don’t want to be treated like property by you type of rude and controlling men? What an asshole.
Not only that, you are 64 on this website complaining about women. You are losing in life.
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. The people that complain about toxic masculinity believe gender is a social construct , which is a direct contradiction. Then again , social sciences isn't real science.
Yes there is, many men are toxic. Men who deny there is toxic masculinity are 100% toxic.
And your conclusion is based off?
Most "toxic" triats that femisnt label as toxic masculinity are traits women possess which means it has nothing to do with masculinity or gender.
Saying men who deny toxic masculinity are toxic , just proves further that social sciences isn't based on facts , but rather on feelings and emotions of an individual ie an assumption.
Then why call it masculinity if it has nothing to do with masculinity? Simple - the term is sexist.
@Aphrodite801 are you one who wants to feminize men?
It takes compassion, it takes conversation and accepting that you CAN'T change everyone.
A reminder I hear many people say that masculinity has become demonized over the past couple decades or more
You can't. We don't give a shit if you think we're toxic.
But many men say themselves that you type of guys are toxic, obviously they aren’t toxic so don’t we. It’s you type of men.
Yes. Men like me do not care about what those pussies think either.
By not mislabeled things toxic when they're not. That will dramatically cut the number of cases back.
I think toxic femininity is a bigger problem and i am not the least bit surprised a woman asked this question. Typical. Your gender is far far far far far from perfect.
No such thing. And I don’t care if you’re surprised or not wtf
Your name alone says it all
Also, at least our gender doesn’t do the most crimes, you know like rape and pedophilia? Don’t try to compare.
Actually there are more pedo-women than pedo-men.
^Thats a lie, also you’re a weirdo and I don’t like you. So why do you keep commenting on my questions I don’t know.
Naming yourself after a goddess this does make sense.
So you do admit you do the same crimes. There are female rapists probably one is a teacher right now and pedophiles one might be even working for child services.
Your shit stinks you are not perfect and never will be.
Girls are good at one thing thou making up lies about rape and abuse? Or do you disagree with that future Amber Heard/Mattress Girl.
I was jacked off by my pediatricion at 6 years old you bitch
Typical toxic male deflects when he's called to a higher standard.
Wtf are these comments 😂🤣🤣
The point is men do that stuff way Keke than women do... if you’re in denial that’s not my problem
Exactly @what3ever ☺️
Here's a solution to toxic masculinity: Ignoring feminists and bints who use such phrases as 'toxic masculinity.' Have a lovely day now darling.
Don’t like men with toxic masculinity calling me darling, stop hating on strong women 🤡
How insane it is when you see so many examples of male chauvinism in the comments. They be actively pooping in comments instead of understanding.
Stop letting boys get a pass for doing shitty disrespectful things because "boys will be boy"
Hold boys accountable for their actions.
by teaching childern from young esecially males that women are fragile and weak, so dont abuse them. they will listen trust me
Troll, plenty of women are stronger than you’re bitter ass. Take that L
i was just saying tht just for them to see that if we tell them its ok to think women are weak or fragile (even tough they are not) than they will respect women more. i dont mean it to harm women i mean it in a more broad view of the topic in general...
And obviously to teach them that women are created from softer side of rib of Adam peace be upon him and that women deserve fine treatment. and that men dont get broken often but women do but dont abuse men aswell or just dont abuse anyone in general wether its animal or human.
How would that make them respect women more, that makes no sense. And that’s basically how it was back in the day.
Dude what you’re saying is very stupid and false, people abuse weaker and more fragile humans and animals all the time, wow, you are dumb.
Get rid of ideas and labels like masculinity and femininity for starters.
Depends on how you define toxic masculinity, masculinity in itself is a good thing so It really depends on what you mean
... what? Who said a person being masculine wasn’t a good thing?
As important as being feminine
A person could be whoever they want to be. I don't know what you call being masculine, but men and women both do masculine things. I think certain things are dumb to call masculine.
It will probably never go away, you don't change people they die off... so start by teaching the young the right way.
"Toxic Masculinity" is a myth, there are only assholes being assholes, and assholes come in all genders, colors, religions, etc.