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So, you have a guy in an amazing amount of pain for 18 months on serious drugs.His wife and family have to watch, listen to his screaming, his tears and agony all that time, carry the PTSD for life.Nope, that’s just unnaturally cruel and without any form of compassion
@ChrisMaster69 Well, if compassion is making life optional and determining its duration not on its intrinsic merit but rather on conditional qualifications, then I guess you have a point.Just don't be surprised at how elastic the definition of compassion becomes and how quickly it elides into convenience. The man you describe deserves all the aid that can be rendered to him. However, if a peculiar notion of compassion that ends the life of those to who aid ought be rendered. Who, in that formulation, is aiding whom?
So if your son, daughter was in that amount of pain, even with heroin, you would simply want to prolong their suffering?It’s a YES or NO answer.
@ChrisMaster69 No, I would get them medical care, psychological assistance and do everything possible to alleviate their suffering.However, I would be hard put to call it compassion to kill him. That seems just a wee bit much - and this again ignoring the larger cultural ramifications under which we make law.
This lad was in a major surgical unit, tumours on all his nerve endings.He was on strongest drugs he could get to alleviate pain but still screamed.I was lucky, I was on morphine and maggots shoved in my leg.Certain illnesses, conditions are completely untreatable and people just watch while the person they loved screams in pain.Me I would want no one to go through it
@ChrisMaster69 You do all that you can and alleviate the pain as best you can. However, because of his illness to treat him as dispensable and to be tossed away hardly shows compassion. His life is forfeit, in that formulation, because of his circumstances. We then console ourselves that it is compassion when all we did, by fiat, is to toss him over the side.
But life is not fair, hard and harsh decision are made.To prolong suffering is feel,
@ChrisMaster69 Again, you have made the value of life not absolute, but contingent on its circumstances. You will set a criteria and you will decide when or if that criteria has been met.Suddenly life is mere instrument and no longer an end in itself.Try this mental experiment. Family and friends will NOT be allowed to decide when a family member is to be euthanized. Rather, the state will establish an administrative criteria and once that standard has been met, the life will be ended.Is that compassion? If yes, then who decided what that criteria will be? If not, why is it suddenly compassion when a family member, for example, makes that decision?Whatever the personal feelings in any case, once the value of life has been rendered contingent and circumstantial, you create a culture that will be on a long slippery slope. Indeed, you can see we are already there to some extent. Freedom is defined as an in itself and not the means to the attainment of virtue. There is a word for that - decadence.
The level of irony, your profile says you work for the US government, a government with a huge track record of bombing people and killing innocents.Ergo you still work for the government, so some lives are worth more than others
I couldn’t help but notice most of what you wrote is stolen off an article on google
www.bbc.co.uk/.../against_1.shtmlThis is what you used
@Sheyhoney most of his long posts are stolen.You simply take a section and Google it.I prefer original arguments than copy n pastes
The second hand embarrassment I feel for him is unreal lmao
@Sheyhoney @ChrisMaster69 To both of you. I am not sure to who your remark was directed, but nothing I offered here was taken from Google. At least so far as I am aware. In fact, I come at this issue from a Burkean perspective and offered that. If you care to point to any specifics, I would be happy to reply.That said, I did not make any references to any specific articles nor quote anything without attribution. (I note that the BBC piece you referenced was simply an amalgam of arguments made by various groups and individuals. Suffice to say, my arguments are not drawn from thin air but are, as I say, drawn from a consistent philosophical position.)To which I would add, quoting John Maynard Keynes, "“Practical men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist." I am not so "practical" as to think that I do not stand on the shoulders of giants.
P. S. Just to be clear, I derive my philosophical positions from the influence of Aristotle, St. Thomas Aquinas, Edmund Burke and G. K. Chesterton among others. You will also find similar positions taken by various Christian churches, not least the Roman Catholic Church. Suffice to say, I hope you will agree that these individuals and institutions did NOT draw their ideas from Google.
P. S. Oh, and if you will indulge me one more time, three books that I might offer for your perusal;1) Statecraft as Soulcraft by George F. Will2) The Suicide of the West by Jonah Goldberg3) The Decadent Society by Ross DouthatThough none of these addresses euthanasia specifically, they have provided me with an intellectual framework with which to examine that and similar questions. I commend them to you.
yes especially beneficiaries of the will,,,
Assisted suicide is not about inconvenience. It’s about the pain and suffering of a sick and dying person and how much suffering they should have to endure. It should be addressed by the person themselves in the form of a living will. If they do not have a living will, or some other legal method for declaring they would want it, then it should not be an option, for the exact reason you said.
If memory serves, I believe technically assisted suicide is not euthanasia. Because I think that euthanasia is deciding to kill those who are elderly or infirm. Then you have people who are kept alive through extraordinary means, and you remove the life support. That's not euthanasia either. And the final category is assisted suicide.And I'm glad we agree about euthanasia.
Voluntary death and accompanied suicide. Basically when someone’s really sick and they wanna die
Pulling the plug in death bed no then itll be stuck in my conciousness