I'm for universal healthcare that works, like the Swiss system, and against universal healthcare that doesn't work, like the NHS in the UK. Socialism has been proven time and time again that it doesn't work, creating economies that age like milk.
The Swiss system is a good system that works; -fully privatized, -having health insurance is a mandatory legal requirement for everyone by law, -if you can't afford it, the state pays your insurance. Done.
Swiss system is not a universal health care, it is a Bismark Model, that is German model. In Italy before covid-19 heathcare system worked very well, but it was made for cure non infective diseases. Italy had until 1979 a Bismark model, but it had many many problems especially if you don't work for a big company. NHS does not work not because is universal care system because it is bad managed and bad organized. Historically, the NHS has given the taxpayer poor service from at least 1978 onwards. The UK taxpayer is on average satisfied with the service given as he has never tried anything else and thinks he has the best service in the world. An Italian-Swiss friend who worked as a financier in London was afraid of the functioning of English hospitals, where doctors are often poor, as good doctors work in the area. So much so that when he needed he came to be treated in Italy, similar stories came to me from Italian-British friends, all users of Italian healthcare.
@ODC2112 By definition, universal health care is a system that provides quality medical services to all citizens, not turning the poor away because they can't afford it. The Swiss System fits that definition.
I never said the NHS doesn't work because it's universal health care. I said NHS in the UK doesn't work because it's a system of socialism, and socialism has been proven time and time and time again that it doesn't work, creating economies that age like milk. The reason for that is without the vastly multiple different types of competition required to keep an economy competitive, then there is not only no incentive to do a good job, but that economy is actually encouraged to do a bad job, on the basis the less work it does then the more it is rewarded. Why else is every criticism of the NHS's poor performance always followed by "and that's why we need more funding from the tax payer", yet it never seems change that lack of performance, other than actually making it worse. It's at the point now that drive through workers at KFC will show you more care and concern than NHS doctors and nurses do, as was my experience when I went to A&E with a head injury. Yet the UK population will not get rid of it, because they've all been successfully falsely convinced that there's no other forms of universal health care, meaning it's either this or the American system.
For it. Its stupid not to ensure your country's population health.
What reasonable person desires to see their country men and women and children dying of preventable deaths or see them sick both mentally or physically? Only a fool.
Moreover, I favor private insurance as well. Anyone that doesn't desire to be covered by the government's health plans can refuse coverage and have their own private medical insurance.
I'm against is because of socialism and adrenochrome! Bill Gates wants to steal your children and milk them for blood for Oprah. They're gonna use the idea of "universal healthcare" to steal your kids for their immortality Satanic cult.
I sit on the side of you get what you pay for, and disabled people deserve healthcare even if they can't work.
Free health insurance for those who can't afford it I think would be better in the form of a healthcare allowance. Instead of having government health insurance, they can just pay doctors outright. It's basically the same thing but it lacks the issue of doctors not taking your insurance, which is important, because in most cases only crappy doctors take insurance.
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For. It works out cheaper for everyone in the long run, and it's one less thing to ever have to worry about. No one in my country ever goes bankrupt over an unforseen medical issue and no one is tied to a shitty job for the health benefits.
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Against. Coming from the UK the NHS is little more than a pathetic joke. Overtaxed by scammers and immigrants who contribute nothing to the UK society taking advantage of the system. Understaffed because the staff are either overworked or not paid enough to warrant staying with the NHS when they can go to a private home / residence or if doctors start their own clinic for nearly as much or more money.
I'm not against it in theory. But I don't trust politicians to impliment it well. In the U. S. at least our politicians care more about beating the other team and solidifying their own power than doing things right.
We have the worst aspects of both socialized and privatized healthcare here in the states. We should have the best of both. There is no reason why a country as wealthy as ours can’t provide HC for those who can’t afford it. However, we should not have a completely socialized system.
For universal health care. There was a time long ago when firefighters were private. A tome where fire fighters would arrive to burning buildings and protect only the buildings that were insured while letting the uninsured buildings burn. But we accept nowadays that firefighters are a public service and everyone deserves access to this service, even if everyone in society has to pay a little more tax for it. Why is it different for healthcare?
Against, at least until we can get most of the self sabotage epidemics like obesity. I think we should be able to make people a little more responsible for their own health before implementing a system where everyone pays for your bad habits out of their own paycheck.
Because i dont feel like i should have to pay for someone else stupid choice in life. You want to eat and smoke a shit ton and wonder why you need a new heart and lungs? Thanks but my 6 figures a year can pay for my health care and my work covers it too.
@Still-alive I'm happy I don't have to pay for your piece of shit life style. If you choose to treat your body like it's perfectly okay to eat MC D's for 2 years strait and sit on the couch watching TV chain smoking and then call the hospital with chest pains yeah Geee No sorry I'm not paying for your dumb ass to get free health care.
a bunch of idiotic assumptions and sounds like you just generally hate other people so much that you'd deny them access to healthcare like disabled children for instance who desperately need it.
@Still-alive disabled children because their mothers smoked crack and drank so much their kid comes out fucked up. Let the parents suffer for their stupid choices. I hold people accountable for their actions.
I can see both sides of this coin. As someone who has access to the NHS, the idea behind it is Fantastic but it's made repulsivley bad because of all the people abusing the system. I believe we should be made pay some contribution towards it either to foot the bills for expensive equipment or provide our nurses and doctors with a better wage! Well done our heroes 👏🏻
Sounds nice on the paper, but you must remember it has a huge cost, cost that will be then covered by more taxes. Also, it works only if you make sure no one will abuse it. And many will, trust me. And then, it will attract many, many immigrants who will want to use it without giving anything to it. Which will increase again the taxes you'll need to pay to keep it afloat. So yeah, it's nice. As long as it works.
Just look at the Veterans Administration the vets have to wait years to see a doctor and get services and that is for a few million service people. now think of medical for three hundred million people years to wait. Doctors goin out of practice be cause they are not being payed in a prompt manor the illegals get to be first on line for the govt free free free free
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I'm for universal health care, simply because health care is so important, and so many Americans have very little health care, because they can't afford it.
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I'd want universal healthcare to be a thing eventually, that should be the goal. Buy as of now it just isn't reasonable. I mean, Canada literally has to send their patients to America to get MRIs because they literally don't have enough to meet the demand. Socialized healthcare doesn't financially support the system like privatized Healthcare does (at least as of now).
When 10 people need a band-aid and there are 3 band-aids, 3 people get a band-aid. Then 3 people can say "I live in a country with universal health care, and I got a band-aid within a week."
You should love the German system. The hospitals and insurance companies are private, they're just properly regulated. Nobody here goes bankrupt from health care. No-one.
The point is, it can be done, it just needs a government that's willing to stand up for the people against the industry (which still does very well out of the arrangement tyvm).
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I'm for universal healthcare that works, like the Swiss system, and against universal healthcare that doesn't work, like the NHS in the UK.
Socialism has been proven time and time again that it doesn't work, creating economies that age like milk.
The Swiss system is a good system that works;
-fully privatized,
-having health insurance is a mandatory legal requirement for everyone by law,
-if you can't afford it, the state pays your insurance.
Done.
Swiss system is not a universal health care, it is a Bismark Model, that is German model. In Italy before covid-19 heathcare system worked very well, but it was made for cure non infective diseases. Italy had until 1979 a Bismark model, but it had many many problems especially if you don't work for a big company. NHS does not work not because is universal care system because it is bad managed and bad organized. Historically, the NHS has given the taxpayer poor service from at least 1978 onwards. The UK taxpayer is on average satisfied with the service given as he has never tried anything else and thinks he has the best service in the world.
An Italian-Swiss friend who worked as a financier in London was afraid of the functioning of English hospitals, where doctors are often poor, as good doctors work in the area. So much so that when he needed he came to be treated in Italy, similar stories came to me from Italian-British friends, all users of Italian healthcare.
@ODC2112 By definition, universal health care is a system that provides quality medical services to all citizens, not turning the poor away because they can't afford it. The Swiss System fits that definition.
I never said the NHS doesn't work because it's universal health care. I said NHS in the UK doesn't work because it's a system of socialism, and socialism has been proven time and time and time again that it doesn't work, creating economies that age like milk. The reason for that is without the vastly multiple different types of competition required to keep an economy competitive, then there is not only no incentive to do a good job, but that economy is actually encouraged to do a bad job, on the basis the less work it does then the more it is rewarded.
Why else is every criticism of the NHS's poor performance always followed by "and that's why we need more funding from the tax payer", yet it never seems change that lack of performance, other than actually making it worse.
It's at the point now that drive through workers at KFC will show you more care and concern than NHS doctors and nurses do, as was my experience when I went to A&E with a head injury. Yet the UK population will not get rid of it, because they've all been successfully falsely convinced that there's no other forms of universal health care, meaning it's either this or the American system.
I am for because the right to free healthcare should be a human right. We have the right to live and health is very much intertwined with this.
Pro.
Everyone should have access to medical care. Being healthy is one of the most important things in life.
For it. Its stupid not to ensure your country's population health.
What reasonable person desires to see their country men and women and children dying of preventable deaths or see them sick both mentally or physically? Only a fool.
Moreover, I favor private insurance as well. Anyone that doesn't desire to be covered by the government's health plans can refuse coverage and have their own private medical insurance.
I'm against is because of socialism and adrenochrome! Bill Gates wants to steal your children and milk them for blood for Oprah. They're gonna use the idea of "universal healthcare" to steal your kids for their immortality Satanic cult.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/xcVIMlIaG_cI sit on the side of you get what you pay for, and disabled people deserve healthcare even if they can't work.
Free health insurance for those who can't afford it I think would be better in the form of a healthcare allowance. Instead of having government health insurance, they can just pay doctors outright. It's basically the same thing but it lacks the issue of doctors not taking your insurance, which is important, because in most cases only crappy doctors take insurance.
For. It works out cheaper for everyone in the long run, and it's one less thing to ever have to worry about. No one in my country ever goes bankrupt over an unforseen medical issue and no one is tied to a shitty job for the health benefits.
Against. Coming from the UK the NHS is little more than a pathetic joke. Overtaxed by scammers and immigrants who contribute nothing to the UK society taking advantage of the system. Understaffed because the staff are either overworked or not paid enough to warrant staying with the NHS when they can go to a private home / residence or if doctors start their own clinic for nearly as much or more money.
I'm not against it in theory. But I don't trust politicians to impliment it well. In the U. S. at least our politicians care more about beating the other team and solidifying their own power than doing things right.
We have the worst aspects of both socialized and privatized healthcare here in the states. We should have the best of both. There is no reason why a country as wealthy as ours can’t provide HC for those who can’t afford it. However, we should not have a completely socialized system.
For universal health care. There was a time long ago when firefighters were private. A tome where fire fighters would arrive to burning buildings and protect only the buildings that were insured while letting the uninsured buildings burn. But we accept nowadays that firefighters are a public service and everyone deserves access to this service, even if everyone in society has to pay a little more tax for it. Why is it different for healthcare?
Against, at least until we can get most of the self sabotage epidemics like obesity. I think we should be able to make people a little more responsible for their own health before implementing a system where everyone pays for your bad habits out of their own paycheck.
Because i dont feel like i should have to pay for someone else stupid choice in life. You want to eat and smoke a shit ton and wonder why you need a new heart and lungs? Thanks but my 6 figures a year can pay for my health care and my work covers it too.
all fearmongering with no facts behind it
@Still-alive I'm happy I don't have to pay for your piece of shit life style. If you choose to treat your body like it's perfectly okay to eat MC D's for 2 years strait and sit on the couch watching TV chain smoking and then call the hospital with chest pains yeah Geee No sorry I'm not paying for your dumb ass to get free health care.
a bunch of idiotic assumptions and sounds like you just generally hate other people so much that you'd deny them access to healthcare like disabled children for instance who desperately need it.
You are doing that anyways by having insurance. Your point makes no sense. Wtf do you think universal healthcare is?
@Still-alive disabled children because their mothers smoked crack and drank so much their kid comes out fucked up. Let the parents suffer for their stupid choices. I hold people accountable for their actions.
Nope you’re just assuming things again. It must suck for you hating humanity so much to say or believe such bullshit
Considering the US healthcare system was put in place during the great depression should say plenty about why it doesn't function
During WWII.
And That's what happens when the government tries to mess with the economy.
I feel like it’s only a controversial topic in America, anywhere else in the modern civilized world knows universal healthcare is better.
I can see both sides of this coin. As someone who has access to the NHS, the idea behind it is Fantastic but it's made repulsivley bad because of all the people abusing the system. I believe we should be made pay some contribution towards it either to foot the bills for expensive equipment or provide our nurses and doctors with a better wage! Well done our heroes 👏🏻
Sounds nice on the paper, but you must remember it has a huge cost, cost that will be then covered by more taxes.
Also, it works only if you make sure no one will abuse it. And many will, trust me.
And then, it will attract many, many immigrants who will want to use it without giving anything to it. Which will increase again the taxes you'll need to pay to keep it afloat.
So yeah, it's nice. As long as it works.
Funny how I've been dislike, when I'm literally living in a country with universal healthcare, and I'm just listing the issues we face because of it.
Just look at the Veterans Administration the vets have to wait years to see a doctor and get services and that is for a few million service people. now think of medical for three hundred million people years to wait. Doctors goin out of practice be cause they are not being payed in a prompt manor the illegals get to be first on line for the govt free free free free
I'm for universal health care, simply because health care is so important, and so many Americans have very little health care, because they can't afford it.
I'd want universal healthcare to be a thing eventually, that should be the goal. Buy as of now it just isn't reasonable. I mean, Canada literally has to send their patients to America to get MRIs because they literally don't have enough to meet the demand. Socialized healthcare doesn't financially support the system like privatized Healthcare does (at least as of now).
I live in a country with universal health care, and I got an MRI within a week, followed up by a nerve specialist a couple of days later.
When 10 people need a band-aid and there are 3 band-aids, 3 people get a band-aid. Then 3 people can say "I live in a country with universal health care, and I got a band-aid within a week."
You should love the German system. The hospitals and insurance companies are private, they're just properly regulated. Nobody here goes bankrupt from health care. No-one.
I'm glad to hear it
The point is, it can be done, it just needs a government that's willing to stand up for the people against the industry (which still does very well out of the arrangement tyvm).
I'm sure. I'm not claiming that there isn't any room for improvement, or anything.