Which do you think damaged society? Was it feminism and women? Or was it MGTOW and men? Then explain how how you came to that conclusion?

[Anonymous]

Feminism vs MGTOW. Which do you think is the true offender to cause the damage and why do you believe that?

Feminism damaged it

MGTOW damaged it

[MCheetah]

True answer: It was corporate greed and lobbyists corrupting politicians and destroying society every decade by electing worse and worse people in the government that hate us and want to see us all suffer and fight each other, while getting rich doing it. This permeates almost every bit of our society now in the 2020s; from Conservatives vs Liberals, Republicans vs Democrats, the Religious vs Atheists, Non-whites vs Whites, Democracy-lovers vs Communists & Marxists, and even Men vs Women. Asking this question is like only focusing on one symptom, and not the actual virus/disease.

Feminism/social justice is just a by-product of the perpetuated war against each other the Elitists have spun using mainstream media like CNN as pure propaganda. In a meritocracy full of intelligent, hard-working people with a sense of community, feminism would've been laughed out the door, and banned from ever coming back. Both men and women would've shunned it.

And while I don't follow MGTOW (or any strawman arguments assuming it's incels or red-pill culture or anything), it's not the group that hate all women or anything. It dismisses women/relationships with women as trivial and as it says, has men "going their own way." I think only a misinformed person or a disingenuous one would try to lump in MGTOW with incels, whoever that may be.

And, as another user put it, MGTOW isn't even 20 years old, as a concept. Feminism, and all of its hatred-of-men and turning 16 year olds into soy boys and betas, has been around, as the concept of "feminism," since 1848. Back then, it was only about upper middle class, powerful white women in society whining to get what they want under the guise of "giving women rights," and it's still about that today. Millicent Fawcett and Susan B. Anthony never gave a sh*t about any women but themselves. Hell, they didn't even think of negroes as "men", which is why they felt it was acceptable to try to use black men like Frederick Douglass as pawns in their scam, as well. Their motto was "sit down and shut up, women have the voice now" (paraphrased and modernized). They were the ones to invent playing the "black card" and using the "pussy pass."

All of this is exactly what the radical left is still doing today, only they've added LGBT people to use as political props, as well. "Vote for us, or you hate women, minorities, and gays!" This is what they LITERALLY still do, in the 2020s! This crap has been going on for 173 years now, and soy boys and insecure bitchy women out there seriously think MGTOW is the problem? Or hell, even incels? Incels have no power in society, and aren't being propped up by every social media company, Hollywood studio, and woke corporation in the world right now.

... Which brings me back to who the true bad guys are. Feminists are just insecure, talentless, low-IQ dimwits looking for a winning lotto ticket to whine and complain their way to the top. They have no power on their own and never get anything done, like, AT ALL. Only those truly in power give them want they want. MGTOW men are quitting jumping through the hoops of society and excusing themselves from even playing at all, which is pretty much exactly what those in power want; no opposition or pushback. And incels have no power; not even a fraction of the power even the biggest scammers in feminism, like Anita Sarkeesian or Jess Philips of The UK parliament, have.

Those truly in power are the ones giving these idiots a platform to begin with. All the Gates', Schwabs, Soros', Clintons, Epsteins, Zuckerbergs, Spielbergs, Weinsteins, and Wojcickis of the world are the ones who have damaged society and continue to do so as we speak about it.

[FatherJack]

You missed out the Capo Dei Capos of the Cartel you listed , the top bosses , the intermarried Rothschild / Rockefeller dynasties. They give the orders.

[Asker]

What would you suggest MGTOW had done or do differently?

[MCheetah]

MGTOW isn't doing anything wrong. They are men who choose to bow out of both relationships and having children. By feminist logic, this should be a massive win for them. Some women just don't like MGTOW because they actively want men to kiss their ass and be subservient to them.

It's like a coworker choosing to quit a job because you don't get along with them and they don't like working there, and you're more mad that they didn't get fired and humiliated on their way out, instead. That's how petty feminists are. I don't ascribe to MGTOW, but they aren't actually hurting anyone or doing anything wrong, unlike feminists making women and men everyday hate themselves and believe in lies and paranoia. How could I hate someone just choosing to live his own life and not deal with women or relationships at all?

If you're asking about incels/red-pillers though, then that is another question entirely.

[Asker]

I can't disagree. However I think most men today are at least to themselves somewhat repilled rather they want to admit it or not. But being redpilled doesn't mean they hate women, some have resentments true, but for most it just means they won't trust them anymore.

[MCheetah]

Yeah. Women made me depressed AF throughout my entire 20s. I'm now 34 and have settled on the idea that I'm likely never going to be good enough for modern women and have spent the last four years learning to be fine with that.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Feminism. You can't blame MGTOW which came thirty years after second wave feminism. Feminism stated that all men are evil (that is its base premise). Feminism stated that all traditional relationships are evil and bad but also demands men be more feminine and ignore basic biological drives for both sexes. Feminism fought for and succeeded in creating sexist laws (NOW gloated about how it helped fight against (and won) equal custody laws). It was feminism, its always been feminism and MGTOW is just a reactionary movement that states its not fair that men have to have all the responsibility while taking all the blame and have none of the benefits (like being treated like human beings). Its not MGTOW talking about aborting their children if they are the "wrong" gender. Its not MGTOW saying that all of one gender are rapists and that their male children are going to grow up to be rapist and oppressors, that is entirely feminists and feminism that has done that.

[myname604]

I no more like MGTOW than feminism but all waves of feminism from first to most recent are and always were a cancer upon society.
This is speaking from the views of four generations of females who despise feminism.
It is a woman's duty to protect the best interests of her men and children.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@myname604 I don't like MGTOW but I do understand it. I don't think its a smart move because by walking away they allow everything to fall apart while if they participate (and aren't simps) they get to negotiate the terms of their relationship i. e. they get to reward women of value while forcing the women of poor quality and value to be the ones who get used up and thrown away resulting in effectively culling the bad population of women out of the "game" so to speak (no different then when women didn't put out right away it was a way to weed out the men of low value, I just don't understand why men don't do the same, seems a lot simpler). So I get it, I just think its defeatist and not a particularly wise decision on their part.

[myname604]

The only bad population of women are feminists who ruin men and women.
What are they culling? They are culling loyal loving women who have enough sense to hate communism and make certain their men are the same.
If a man so much as thinks any Marxism is OK then he should be culled along with any woman who should think the same way.
If you want to cull people why did you attack Germany under the false pretense of culling people... OH that notion never appeared until after they needed to to justify the war. But whatever.

Men going their own way is cowardly, if you must do something so stupid then build a killdozer and make a stand.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@myname604 Well that isn't entirely correct. Women who are feminists but also women who are promiscuous and impulsive and irresponsible, gold diggers and superficial etc.(predominantly feminist but entirely) those are low value women.

That was my point however, MGTOW does not remove these women from the market but rather removes themselves from the market which doesn't resolve the problem. As I said I understand because the system is rigged against them thinks to feminism and simps who refuse to hold bad women accountable, but it is obviously not a system that is of any benefit to anyone, its like having cancer and instead of getting surgery you just ignore it, its stupid.

Don't know why marxism was brought up but yes, marxism is idiotic (also predominantly voted in by women who are biologically predisposed towards it (women consistently vote left and have since gaining the right to vote). Though this issue is also because again, men are willing to let women get away with things they would never let men get away with so this being weak on women and letting them run rough shod over them and everything else is the root of the problem (this is why in myths women where seen as good and bad, when a woman is good she is a benefit to every one, but when she is bad she will destroy civilization (in ancient greece their where towns that had statues of hera and she was their patron goddess. That didn't stop them from tying the statues up as a ritual of containing her when things started getting bad because they knew that women had the power to destroy civilization through hate or over emotional self indulgence etc (no different then acknowleding that a civilized man is productive and good but you allow him to act however he wants and he will become violent and decadent and be a detriment to everyone and generally useless, its just for some reason in this day and age we can acknowledge this about men but never women).).

[Ninjazzed]

Oh the irony.

Nice theory. A dude mansplaining and telling women what their
worth in society is and judging them based on how much they decide to fuck.

This is toxic masculinity to the core.

“Women who are feminists but also women who are promiscuous and impulsive and irresponsible, gold diggers and superficial etc.(predominantly feminist but entirely), those are low value women.”

Feminists and promiscuous women don’t actually fit into that category.

You are only proving the notion that men only prize a woman’s virginity over her health and well-being.

You can’t judge someone’s character entirely off of casual sex or feminism? The fuck?

You call feminists “low value” women which speaks volumes of your shitty character, that you don’t actually care if women have rights at all.

You just want a woman devoted entirely to you without having any personality other than being overly clingy and attentive to your needs exclusively.

Feminism is fighting for equality, it’s not a belief system rigged to destroy all male-kind.

I guess we should just cast stones at any woman who wants to break from the hive-mind and accomplish more than being a basic housewife, right?

Being a low value woman doesn’t sound so bad.

Those women are the smartest and know to steer clear of problematic men.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Ninjazzed No, your just rabidly sexist and filled with self loathing. toxic masculinity? I'm sorry what happened to "feminism is about equality"? Also "mansplaning"? If I'm "mansplaning" then what are you doing exactly, "womansplaning"? Oh yeah thats right, despite the fact feminism claims to be about equality its not and you know it, thats why you insult and belittle men when they don't do what you want and blame them for quite literally everything that has ever happened that was bad in this world (and blame them for things they have no power over too), but when they point out that your behavior is not appropriate, its sexist, its self destructive and cruel what do you do? Bitch and nag.

Your the problem with this world, not men, not women, you. You hate men, you hate women, but more then that you hate yourself. Thats why your miserable, thats why your so filled with hate and animosity, and thats why you keep claiming to be oppressed despite being the most privileged group in the entire world (provably). You so miserable that your constantly trying to change the world to make your life easier and better and every time you fail you cannot understand why because the one thing you have NEVER tried to change is yourself, the true source of your problem.

Men are not the enemy, women are not the enemy, ideologies that push weakness, victimhood as virtue, and self loathing are the enemy and the problem is your so indoctrinated you will never change (not until that ideology does something so horrible to you that your forced to see it for what it is).

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Ninjazzed As for "prizing her virginity", idiocy. Are you really going to argue that a woman treating herself as if she was disposable, as if all she was good for was physical pleasure is in her best interest? Studies consistently show how destructive this is to women (and men). It increases their probability of divorce, cheating,(none of which are good for her mentally), depression and anxiety and her ability to be happy in a long term relationship (which studies show bring women the most happiness). Some psychologists have even called for considering promiscuity a form of self harm for women as its so detrimental to them and can be shown to be linked to so many emotional problems (poor relationships with their fathers for instance).

Me saying, DON'T fuck every guy you see, including myself, even if they expect you to, is not me claiming that I prize virginity, its me saying its not healthy for you and its not in your best interest. All the men who support you sleeping around are all the men who wish to use you. How is that me not caring about their well being? Studies consistently show promiscuity hurts women and consistently show that stable relationships, traditional relationships, make women (and children) happier and healthier.

You should be more concerned with the fact that over 50% of leftist women (feminist and far left politically) have reported mental disorders. Its a life style and a mindset that breaks you, and how couldn't it? I mean your advocating for treating women like they are one time use with one night stands and "friends with benefits" etc. Your telling women that they are weak and helpless by claiming women are perpetual victims and all men are evil (because that is the premise of feminism as is evident by your own words and insults). This tells women everything is awful and they are to worthless to fix their lives and I don't believe that at all but you do.

The one who doesn't care about women's well being is you and feminists.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Ninjazzed as for your "hive mind" comment, what exactly are you doing? Well, exactly what your told to do. You've not presented an original thought, you have attacked men and belittled them showing your hatred of them despite the fact that they are your father, your brothers, your boyfriends, your husband, and your sons. You've stated we are the enemy but then complain that I'm the one casting stones? I pointed out that feminism hurts women and your response was to attack me and all men in defense of your ideology. So what mattered more, women or your ideological tribe? Well it was clearly the tribe that mattered more to you.

Now here is my question, how do I want women devoted to me, to be brainless (far from it by the way), etc. if traditional relationships call for men to fight to the death to protect women? How is this what men want if traditional relationships call for the man to provide for her every need and ideally every want? Well its not, but you haven't thought that through because you have been indoctrinated into a cult, they do the thinking for you.

As for being a shitty person, incorrect again. I said feminist are low value because they are, at which point have you conducted yourself in a way that suggests you are of high quality? Was it when you insulted me, claimed to know what I think and what I feel (all things that would be quite at home with a cartoon villains beliefs), or when you called men toxic (as that is literally what toxic masculinity means (hence why you will never call anything toxic femininity you will never criticize women or allow some one to make an honest criticism of them (despite the fact that you claim to be equal to men yet claim to be perfect (otherwise my criticisms would at least be herd out instead of shouted down without any attempt at logically debating them))? You've proven indisputablly that feminists are low quality women.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Ninjazzed Also women have always had rights and privileges, more so then men in fact. The only thing that feminism did was remove responsibilites from women. Women could and did own property, they did work, they had their own money, they could choose what they wanted to do with their lives (we have documents dating back to the 1300s with lists of female master blacksmiths for instance). What feminism did was ignore all the burdens men took on to protect women, all the responsibilities that WOMEN forced upon men i. e. all the things feminist claim women couldn't do either men couldn't do either (like voting, men didn't have the right to vote for almost all of history either) or where situational i. e. men took control of their wives properties and money because men where solely responsible for the economic being of women and as such they had to pay the taxes on that property and maintain it not the woman, if a woman incurred a debt the HUSBAND would go to prison for it. But of course you will claim that men having the right to these things was an injustice but then turn around and claim that him being shouldered with that responsibility (arguably unfairly) was perfectly acceptable. When a woman suffers its a mans fault no matter the circumstances and when a man suffers, according to you and feminism its also a mans fault.

Notice how feminism NEVER acknowledges a womans agency? How everything is always some one elses fault, that a woman can never be held accountable for her actions? What is something that has no agency of its own, that is acted upon yet can never act? An object. Feminism literally objectifies women, I don't. Thats the difference between me and a feminist, I respect both women and men, feminist respect neither.

[myname604]

@Ninjazzed You are categorically insane and exactly why women today suffer for what your feminists have done and I am forced to side with the mans argument for which I would have set him strait on a few things before you "womansplained" his ass showing exactly why is is right.

"a woman’s virginity over her health and well-being." As if being a virgin is unhealthy? I can value my virginity because it is a virtue and it is healthy both mentally and physically.
Being a 2 penny street whore is not a virtue nor is being a feminist!

"Feminism is fighting for equality, it’s not a belief system rigged to destroy all male-kind."
Four generations and 140 years of truly strong and devoted loyal women FAR superior to YOU have stated that feminists are nothing but Bolshevik revolutionaries bent on destruction of men and their families to destroy white western culture and you are a prime example of such a low grade disgrace to a true woman!

I want to be a devoted house wife raising 25 children if I can!
But will YOU allow any man to his success?
I have seen the men in my own family being attacked by this feminist agenda.

You are horrid wrenched creatures! I would not doubt you worship demons and other vile creatures of the underworld.

Your hatred of men not only affects men and your "freedoms" take mine away!

You are evil incarnate but good women are rising above you! You have our poor men fighting on all fronts so we must stand and fight YOU!

LONG LIVE THE HONEY BADGERS!
WARRIOR WOMEN FGHTING TO PROTECT OUR MEN!

Up yours you evil bitch!

[Ninjazzed]

You are only spreading the notion that men disregard every aspect of feminism because they deem it as something that doesn’t benefit them.

Patriarchy is not only something affecting women, its a society that holds men as more powerful than women. In such a society, men are “tough, capable, providers” and “protectors” while women are fragile, vulnerable, provided for, and motherly (ie, the main parent).

And since women are seen as property of men in a patriarchal society, sex is something men do and something that happens to women (because women lack autonomy). Every Mens’ Rights issue seems to be the result of these social expectations.

You are contradicting everything in your own statements.

The trouble with divorce is that the children are much more likely to go to the mother because in a patriarchal society, parenting is a woman's role. Also men end up paying ridiculous amounts in alimony because in a patriarchal society men are providers. Men have dug their own holes and suddenly women are to blame?

Male rape is marginalized and mocked because sex is something a man does to a woman, so A- men are supposed to want sex so it must not be that bad and B- being "taken" sexually is feminizing because sex is something thats "taken" from women according to patriarchy.

Men get drafted and die in wars because men are supposedly expected to be the protectors and fighters.

Casualty rates say "including X number of women and children" because men are expected to be protectors and fighters and therefor more expected to die in dangerous situations.

It's socially acceptable for women to be somewhat masculine/boyish because thats a step up to a more powerful position. It's socially unacceptable for men to be feminine/girlish because thats a step down and femininity correlates with weakness/patheticness.

YOU are the problem. You are preventing society from being progressive for everyone.

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 Did I strike a nerve for both of you?
You’re a stupid cunt for even advocating against your own rights and a patriarchal power structure.

You deserve everything that’s coming to you.

You wonder why patriarchal ideas end so horribly for both parties. Women get raped yet men are going to rush over to complain about “male rape” when it only accounts for maybe a fraction of female rape.

Why is male rape marginalized? Well, the actual reasons are things like "Men get erections, they must always want it." or "Men are always horny, they don't say no to sex" or "Men are tough, they shouldn't have emotional stress" or "Men live in a patriarchal society, it's impossible to be raped from a position of power".

A woman doesn’t even have to dress provocatively to be raped. The assailant is the problem.

There was an earlier CMV about how rape was ok, that people wouldn't complain if it wasn't for society stigmatizing it.

Men get drafted and die in wars because men are seen as the property of those higher up to use in wars as they wish. A lord can send their soldiers to do freely as they wish. Come, you must have seen media portrayal of those uncaring politicians who throw away the lives of our men as they don't care about them? Men die because the upper class males (and now females) don't care about them much.

It's socially acceptable for women to be boyish because of feminism. It wasn't socially acceptable in the past, and it isn't socially acceptable in many more conservative areas. She might still get called a lesbian here if she does certain sports.

So, to summarize-feminism has actively worked to better the lives of women, but hasn't worked to better the lives of men. The upper classes don't care that much about lower class or middle class males or females, and that causes lots of problems. And the patriarchy thing doesn't really hold up that well-society holds rich socially mobile men as more powerful, not men in general.

[Ninjazzed]

The accusation of man-hating is as old as the patriarchy. Sexism is structured so that a woman’s role is to support the existing status quo and expend their energy serving men and men’s desires.

A woman who resists this in any way—whether it’s active feminist campaigning or simply refusing to perform emotional labor for free—will immediately be accused of hating men. In reality, this “hatred” is simply a woman shifting her priorities in ways that are more just for her and her life. To an anti-feminist man, this is not a move towards equality, but a change in his privilege that feels like something he was entitled to was taken away. Accusing a woman of man-hating is an attempt to reinforce male power and shame women into reassuming their expected roles. These accusations rely on stereotypes about women that are used to maintain inequality and injustice: Women are positioned as inherently irrational people whose ideal role is serving men. Feminism challenges those beliefs at their core, and so it is unsurprising to see these beliefs repeated as an attempt to reinforce them.

[Ninjazzed]

However, if you think a majority of feminists on the Internet hate men, I'd suggest you should take a look at where you are getting your opinion from. There are a lot of very vocal anti-feminist groups on the Internet, and spreading propaganda about feminists goes all the way back to the origins of the suffragists.

I assure you, the vast, vast majority of feminists do not hate men.

You’re no different from the noxious men who go on the defensive whenever gender inequality is brought up. Even when it doesn’t pertain to you.

You’re a joke.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Ninjazzed No, I disregard every aspect of feminism because it is violently and aggressively sexist towards men and women and also is in direct contrast with reality. Its so false that its not just untrue its anti true, it is the polar opposite of what reality is.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

Neither feminism or MGTOW caused any damage to society. Even with the existence of feminism and MGTOW, society still continues on strongly. Instead, feminism has done many positive things for society, such as helped grant women equal rights, the right to vote, more representation in the workforce that further drives the economy, gave female victims of sexual crimes and/or abuse the chance to speak out, and so on. MGTOW, on the other hand, has not accomplished anything throughout history to help further society. Instead, MGTOW is nothing more than a movement of disgruntled men that boycott women or see men "going their own way" because they can't have their own way with women. Men depraving themselves of women, more often than not, does more harm to MGTOW men than society because they're often miserable and spend the majority of their time online complaining about women and feminism instead of choosing better women and/or improving themselves and their value to become more desirable to women.

[myname604]

Why would a strong women need the right to vote? Can she speak with her husband in regards to the vote?
If she was a land owner she had the same rights to vote anyway...
In fact women have always had a greater right to vote than men. With fewer consequences.
Tell me what we got, for REAL?
We have a society that hates men, we have laws used to attack and destroy mens lives, and any woman who disagrees is also destroyed...
What do I gain from this?
Men who are timid and afraid?
My great grandmother despised feminism and said they were gaining rights for women but destroying women and their families, they were intent to destroy men and end freedom.
She was absolutely right!

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@myname604: Because women, whether you consider them "strong" or not, live in society and are affected by it in their own ways. Thus, they have the right to vote for whatever people or policies that could be helpful for them and the society that they live in. As for women speaking to their husbands regarding votes, not all women are married and adult women shouldn't have to consult with anybody for votes. Women never had a "greater right to vote" than men. Before 1920, women couldn't vote at all in America. Disallowing half the population the right to vote only slows down political progress and shuts out many people with issues of their own. Issues women typically face in America are gender pay gaps, domestic abuse, spousal murder, gender bias in the workplace and beyond, reproductive rights regarding abortion, sex trafficking, and so on. If any political candidate or policy comes into existence that could help deal with these issues, women should have every right to vote for them instead of leaving the decision solely in the hands of men that might disagree with such issues.

"We have a society that hates men,"

Why do you think that?

"we have laws used to attack and destroy mens lives," [citation needed]

What laws are those?

"and any woman who disagrees is also destroyed..."

Who are these women?

[myname604]

All voting rights do is expand the votes to weaponize democracy.
Voting should be limited in some way that is affectively giving power to the people without giving power to reckless voters which women are.
If you are a woman you can not deny that women are emotional and disturbed, prone to following a perceived leader such as feminists who will lead to destruction.
Your husband and family is where a woman should vote.
Only your loving husband can be the filter of your emotional feels and then vote accordingly in the best interests of his family.

Feminism and MGTOW are destructive and negotiating with a woman is impossible for the average man. The mans brain can not fathom the superior mind of a woman. He has his place out side and to listen to the woman. But as I said, women need the filter of their husbands to make everything seem more rational and simplistic. The simplicity of the mans mind is needed for this.

Men and women are not equals, just because the woman's mind is far superior to the man, it is in his simplicity he is better for leadership. We all have our places.

Perhaps this is different for different races based in biological differences.
In parts of the Russian federation there are women who do all the work and are the rational minded people while the men are emotional train wrecks, drunk and irresponsible.
I can see matriarch society working for Africans as well, African women are much more rational than African men and in fact it used to be in a long gone time that African women were the dominants to African men when things were more civilized, but the mixing of patriarchal society from Europe and India influenced the African culture and reversed the roles.

Now this role reversal is happening the other way and universally all over the world as if all people were the same which they are not. And look at society now, it is a desaster!

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@myname604: Voting rights don't only "expand votes to weaponize democracy." As I said before, voting rights provide people with the chance to implement solutions regarding the problems they face in society. You can't limit voting rights to avoid "giving power to reckless voters." People can vote for whatever reason they want. Simply because a person votes doesn't mean that what he or she votes for would happen. Not all women are "reckless voters," but even if they were, they have the right to be that. I can deny that women are emotional and disturbed because that's not true for all women, nor is it only exclusive to women. Men can be described the exact same way and they still vote as well. Either way, people that are emotional and disturbed deserve the right to vote. Women that were victims of crimes such as sexual assault and sex trafficking are more likely to be emotional and disturbed compared to other women. If a politician comes along with a solution to fighting sexual assault and sex trafficking, these emotionally disturbed women have every right to vote for that solution. MGTOW and feminism are not destructive of society in any way possible. People don't have to subscribe to feminism or MGTOW if they disagree with it. Society is going to carry on strong with them in existence. The only thing that is truly a "disaster" here is the way you think. All you're doing is making a bunch of dubious claims about minds and whatnot without explaining why you believe them. If you continue to do that, along with go off-topic from voting, then I have no reason to continue talking to you.

[myname604]

What has been solved since democracy has expanded? Everything has become worse and worse and worse.
America has attacked every sovereign nation on earth and decries to be the virtuous purveyors of righteousness and democracy and yet every nation now suffers like communist gulags.

[Ninjazzed]

You can’t argue with that radcunt @myname604, she’ll dismiss anything in favor towards women and call you a crazy feminist because she thrives off of male approval.

[Ninjazzed]

Debating anything with her is utterly, virtually pointless.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Ninjazzed: I could tell. That's why I had to back out because she was talking crazy. In fact, I have my doubts that that's even a "her."

[myname604]

Because in a feminist world a woman is not allowed to have her own opinion but must comply with the feminist world order.
You should become acquainted with Honey Badgers and learn we do not all comply to your world view!

[Lionman95]

I think both are just symptoms of the real problems. People nowadays are made insecure by certain role models. Feminism in it self has a truth such as MGTOW have their own truth. The problem is that both genders lost the understanding of the other. Feminism has got problems when they stopped to just step in for womens´ right but also stepped in for minorities and also wanna cut off "toxic masculinity" of males.
Especially the last thing created problems because it gives guys the feeling that women are saying they are better in solving guys problems than guys are themselves.
For a guy that creates a feeling of being bemothered and it takes at least from my point of view the fundament I take my self-confidence from.
MGTOW is not the better way because it´s trying to avoid a problem instead of trying to solve it.
In my view both movements are a hidden cry for appreciation and have lost the good path they´ve started.

[Asker]

The MRA's have tried to fix problems since 1970 with almost no success which is how MGTOW got it start as MGTOW's after making the decision that the only thing left to do was walk away. What would you suggest would solve the problem on the behalf of MGTOW?

[Lionman95]

I would say that MGTOW needs a better image. Many people are seeing it as a hate group that´s only on the internet. Feminism can´t solve male identity problems because females and males are behaving differently in many ways.
Walking away is a male way of solving problems which isn´t always helpful, because especially females don´t get the reason why we do that. I´d say we need a kind of "gentleman Codex" again not in context of dating but in context of being male.
It´s time to fight for what we want to be known for, not online but in real life. Especially younger guys need role models they can look up to that are realistic. MGTOW needs to get away from the image of miserable men that don´t get the sex life they think they deserve.
I´m not saying sex is unimportant because it can´t be the only goal guys have in life and relationships

[Feelicks]

A lack of moderation in the feminist movement pushed by Marxist academics who enjoy nothing better than sewing disharmony and weakening the family unit as an institution of social power.

[Asker]

Do you think feminist failed to see they were being used not of their own benefit, but to their own detriment by pushing an ideology that would amount to the collapse of society and ultimately their own failure?

[TommyMountainFigure]

If we are going to get all philosophical then I wouldn't put the breakdown in society down to either of those. I would say the biggest cause, is people's inability to remember the effects of wars.
The same mistakes are made time and time again throughout history.

[Ms_Vanderquack]

Two completely different answers, both just as retarded. That takes a special kind of stupid, doesn't it?

[DocJones]

You didn't even say anything and contributed nothing. Very safe and easy to insult with a wide brush and walk away wiping your hands as if you did something. Cowardly actually

[Ms_Vanderquack]

@DocJones I didn’t contribute anything further because there is nothing further to be said. the question itself is based on blatant stupidity, I simply pointed that out.

[Ninjazzed]

@DocJones Neither did you. Have you yet offered anything of significance? Didn’t think so.

They pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Perpetuating lies and projecting your own insecurities sounds more befitting of you.

Why so triggered?

[nolabels]

Damaged in what way?
The societal damage that I see is due to the attitude of entitlement by those who believe the world should be handed to them.
I believe that if JFK or MLK Jr. were here today, they would be in tears to see the attitude of many of the inhabitants of the world today.
I say, hold your head up, contribute to society in a way which you are able, and things will get better.

[Anonymous]

The fucking problem with feminism is thst is used by people in power for their own purpose. They dont care about feminism rights or so on. They just hide themself behind feminism. I dont understand why retards dont realize it. The media often choose crazy ones who push their idealogy. I notice that feminist organisations in turkey get financially supported by western countries under circumstances that this so called feminist organisation have support terrorit parties.

[Opinion Owner]

Mgtow is just a hate group. Noone in power use them. So these guys seriously hate women while feminism was misused by media by people in power

[Opinion Owner]

Some feminist organisation or clubs thst dont support man hate dont get any support or they even get shut down.

[Asker]

You are wrong about MGTOW being a hate group, it's pure propaganda and simply isn't true. While it is true that some men of MGTOW have serious resentments toward women, it isn't without out cause. Those men are the men that have been seriously wronged by women and the system either been falsely accused of something automatically assumed guilty until prove innocent and lost everything regardless, or lost everything in court to women including any rights to their own children. And if any of that applied to you, wouldn't you have resents too? A good portion of MGTOW's, they never had to go through any of that. They have been redpilled or educated to reality in other words. And through the testimony of other men that have gone through it, they have taken heed said no and walked away to become MGTOW themselves which means they don't hate they just simply won't participate.

[Opinion Owner]

I have no problem with guys who go their own way without hating on women or blaming everything on women.

[Asker]

Right however I don't think they are blaming everything on women, just the things that women are responsible and refuse any responsibility for.

[Opinion Owner]

All women? I dont deny thst there bad women. Women as a whole can't the cause of all men's problem s

[Opinion Owner]

Ohh ok get it.

[Archerer]

Asker: you are wrong about MGTOW.
Also asker: *proceeds to prove you right*

[Asker]

@Archerer You think men warning other men of the potential consequences of getting involved with women and the system setup for women primarily by women that takes advantage of men somehow equals hate? If so you are very narrow minded.

[Archerer]

It quickly devolves into hate... Guess where Alek Minesson got his ideas from (The guy who ran over a bunch of people in a van because he couldn't get laid).

I've had to personally drag a handful of men from the rabbit hole that MGTOW leads so many down...

And Lol to you calling me narrow-minded based on a single piece of information lmao Ok buddy, I already feel the hate brooding in you...

[myname604]

@Archerer I do not like either but MGTOW is at least righteous and justified retaliation against a subversive element funded by Bolshevik interest in society for 200 years.
Feminism is cancer and it is a deliberate cancer.
MGTOW is simply retaliation.

[Opinion Owner]

Again you dont know a shit about it. Feminism is misused ny people in power. The same people misuse traditional/religion decades ago.

[Opinion Owner]

Mgtow hate housewifes too by the way. They respect prostitutes more than housewifes since sex workers pay taxes

[Opinion Owner]

https://youtu.be/rJGdw20pNgQ

[Opinion Owner]

I love cuntservative women profiting from feminism but also hate it. :) would you give up your rights if you hate feminism so much. Again feminism in the media is a joke. They express them shit even if they have valid points and make themself clowns

[Opinion Owner]

@Askee they are also blaming women for their biology since women are physically weaker and so "useless". They cry when they fuck around but also complain about child support

[myname604]

I gained no rights from feminism. I have lost rights and lost great men to your bullshit!
I owe feminists NOTHING, but they owe me for destroying my society, my people, their historical culture!
Feminism is a cancer like no other evil cancer!

[Opinion Owner]

What a bullshit. You dont know a shit about it. You are mistaking the Mainstream feminism with normal feminism. Stfu. So you would be ok if your husband dont pay child support, that your husband can rape you, can control what you can buy or not, no right to divorce...

[Opinion Owner]

One year ago rapists only get 6 month-2 years jail time in my country and in many european countries but thanks to a feminist contract rapists in my country get 2 -10 years

[Opinion Owner]

I enough enough married feminists who are traditional

[Opinion Owner]

By the marriage laws in America are very old and are discriminating against men before you romantisize the past. In my country woman/man can't own a shit of their spouse after divorce theoratically and both men/women get parental leave and both men/women pay alimony. I know women who paid alimony for their husbands

[Opinion Owner]

@myname604 i look at your rant aka spam under other people's opinions. You are either an incel disguised under pink profile or you are mental ill femcel who attack/people for their opinions

[Opinion Owner]

You lost great men because of me bitch or do these great men did not want a bitch like you? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. You are the most cancerous person i see and blame people for your shitty dating life. You are the one who spam/attack people for their opinions and try to silence them and destroy the so called society lol. We should take all oppressed women from middleeastern/asia and send you back if you love patriarchy so much

[Archerer]

@myname604 It sounds to me like you don't know a lot about feminism or MGTOW

[CaptainRonnie]

Neither it was the super rich, always has been and always will be. And they distract us by pitting us against each other, such as feminism vs. MGTOW

[DaisyM23]

Feminism is just about women gaining equal rights to men. If people think it’s ruined society, then they just don’t won't women to be equal and dominant in society and want to return to centuries ago when men controlled every single thing.

[Feelicks]

Competition between men fuels most innovation and progress, in a world that devalues men innovation slows, the birth rate goes sub zero and the society crumbles.

You can't make a society where half the population is lost to despair and hedonism work in the long run, Rome proved this though by a different route.

[Asker]

Do you realize you just exposed feminism for what it actually is about (women being dominant in society)? You need to read what Bible Prophecy has to say about that. 1 Timothy 2:12 - Isaiah 4:1 - Isaiah 13:12 - Isaiah 3 16:26 - Revelation 18. Put each of those in your search engine.

[DaisyM23]

Okay... good for you that you choose to follow an ancient book with no scientific backing? Even so, wasn’t jesus the one who was friends with prostitutes and talked about no judging and equality. Men aren’t devalued, it’s toxic masculinity which harms men and women which is looked down on. And I meant dominant in the sense of ‘not submissive’, as in assertive and dominant in personality. Anyone can be dominant sure as long as they give other people the same chances

[DocJones]

@Feelicks Very well said

[DocJones]

No you meant dominant because that is how your insecurity makes you feel about men. It is your own inability to be who you want to be that causes you to want other women to be as unhappy as you are in order to justify your unhappiness. That about sums up the goal of modern day feminism.

[Asker]

@daisym23 Ancient book says you. And oh yeah there is loads of scientific evidence to back the Bible up. Prophecy fulfilling before the very eyes precisely and exactly as it was written thousands of years ago right before the very eyes. You can not look at those versus and deny it is precise to what is unfolding in real time right before the eyes.

[DaisyM23]

@DocJones dude, i think you’re the insecure one since you don’t want to let women get equality. And i did mean dominant as in assertive, don’t presume to know what I’m saying. And of course I don’t want other women to be unhappy, that’s more you clearly. You see feminism as devaluing men which is where the problem lies because women’s rights have nothing to do with men and you somehow manage to make it all about you

[DaisyM23]

Prophecy fulfilling isn’t science that’s so stupid. The bible isn’t some pagan book predicting the future, it’s literally all about ancient times and god

[DocJones]

I never said all feminists were miserable and looking for company, but I like how you put yourself in that group, or at least assumed I did. I am not trying to deny any women anything.

[DaisyM23]

@DocJones I didn’t put myself in any group, you’re the one who said ‘causes you to want other women to be as unhappy’ blah blah. And I think you are denying women things, you accept it only if it maintains the status quo of patriarchy

[Asker]

Wrong. You're right about the Bible being about God, and Jesus Christ. But you're wrong about the future. Bible Prophecy is literally about the future IE Romans 1:18 - Isaiah 13:12 - Revelations 18 - 2 Thessalonians 2:11 - Revelation 13:18.

[DaisyM23]

I’m not christian so I certainly don’t follow the bible or your ‘prophecies’

[Ninjazzed]

Men and women have both become expendable. This question explains absolutely nothing and it means nothing. It is only unfounded and fear-mongering.

Women don’t have every equal right. We still have men that don’t respect body autonomy for what it is and are still trying to control a woman’s body when it’s really none of their business.

They’re still relentlessly attempting to ban abortion. We can barely have a say so over our own skin.

Most men typically confuse Feminism with misandry.

There’s a difference between unadulterated hatred toward men vs. fighting for equality.

Men's hatred of women leads to systemic discrimination, degradation, and violence.

Women's hatred of men is a result of said discrimination, degradation, and violence, and leads to us being cautious for our own and each other's safety and well-being.

That's the difference.

[myname604]

@Ninjazzed You say men hate women. My great grandmother say feminism was entirely based on a haltered of men and had nothing to do with rights or freedoms and she was in university studying LAW in the late 1800's when feminism was manifesting itself in the universities.
Feminism is misandry and it always will be the intention of feminism to destroy western white society.

[DaisyM23]

@myname604 your great grandma told you this did she? Feminism has been around for years, ever heard of mary wollstonecraft? It only emerged as a proper movement in the late 19th century. And it isn’t about stopping men or eradicating them or whatever you think, it’s about raising women’s rights to an equal footing. It’s nothing to do with white western society you dolt, it’s about the patriarchy. Early feminists didn’t give a shit about race, they only cared about voting because they were white m/class women, it wasn’t until after ww2 when civil rights and feminism officially merged together and again, it was all to do with equality

[Ninjazzed]

You can’t explain anything to that twisted broad.
She thrives off of male validation and approval, and absolutely nothing can deter her attitude on women.

If you try to defend feminist values or beliefs, she’ll shove her patriarchal preferences down your throat.

[Archerer]

Feminism progressed the world in meaningful ways for decades, MGTOW is relatively new, and has a much more dark and sinister side to it (red pill, incels, etc.) And while some militant feminism is certainly cringey, I think the dark side of MGTOW is much more harmful at a psychological and social level

[msc545]

Feminism damaged it to the point that smart men refuse to have children or get married these days. Too dangerous.

[Asker]

I hate to agree but it but it is the the sad reality we now face.

[Ninjazzed]

Women started fending for themselves and putting their careers first, therefore they damaged society? Is that your take? A career won’t cheat on you then wake up the next day and decide it doesn’t want to be married to you anymore.

No offense, but the men of this generation have more misogynistic beliefs than they do sense.

I don’t blame women for not wanting to settle for the bare minimum.

[msc545]

@Ninjazzed That's fine - believe what you like as you grow old alone.

[Ninjazzed]

I’d rather grow old alone then waste my time.

Lemme know when you get rid of that virginity.

[DocJones]

@Ninjazzed Men control you as long as you hold on to that anger. In your head is where they are

[Ninjazzed]

@DocJones Then clearly feminism is staying in these mens’ head rent-free as they form their vocal anti-feminist groups.

Anger? This is what you call stating the obvious?

I’m not the one projecting my hatred onto feminism to the point of creating a specific hate group.

[Snakeyes7]

I don't understand how MGTOW damaged it. Some people who are a part of MGTOW may be bitter about their circumstance but the entire point of the movement is to separate themselves from society. Hence the name Men Going Their Own Way.

[SaoirseS]

Does either exist anywhere besides on the Internet? If it does fortunately (and thankfully) I don’t see it. Seems to me both are mostly unhinged rants by keyboard commandos.

[myname604]

Feminism is systemic misandry that destroys men and their families!
Can we say on the internet outside of doxing that feminism may not exist so long as free speech is supported?

[SaoirseS]

That was about as clear as mud.

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 So you’re ok with men beating and raping you to death? That’s all copacetic with you?

Systemic abuse and discrimination against women is what came to bite men back in the ass.

They could never repay women for what they’ve done in the past.

Noxious, dumb women like you will be the catastrophic downfall of society.

[EternallyCorrect]

Feminism destroyed it. MGTOW is a reaction to feminism.

[Ninjazzed]

That is equivocally untrue.

As feminism is a direct result of misogyny and discrimination at the hands of men.

Feminism and MGTOW aren't even remotely on the same plane. Feminism is fighting for equality while MGTOW is just a bunch of radical dudebro incels blaming women for their financial instability and lack of sex life.

The only difference being that women have been oppressed by men for thousands of years and are still considered second class citizens in many places on the planet, so women actually have a really good fucking reason to be man-loathing feminists.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Ninjazzed

Nah, most of what you think you know about history is inaccurate, and if you think you're oppressed today or that man-loathing is justifiable you're a moron.

[Ninjazzed]

Clearly you haven’t studied a nuance of history. Keep pretend like you know something though. Everything I’ve stated is fact and deep down, you know it.

Thanks for proving my point, you ignorant Neanderthal.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Ninjazzed

I have, and if you think that what you said is accurate you haven't.

[Ninjazzed]

Google irony.

I’ve cited textbook evidence. You’ve cited bias.
Feminism is a direct result of discrimination/abuse at the hands of men and stems from patriarchal norms. This is fairly unanimous knowledge that you can Google. Or I can even link several sources. You have nothing to support your flopped argument.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Ninjazzed

Textbooks written with feminist bias.

[Ninjazzed]

Because all textbooks are feminist?

You should just save what little credibility you had and save face.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Ninjazzed

Yeah. And when you look at everything with a feminist bias you won't understand what's actually going on. You can keep pretending you've made me look like a fool if you like, a real debate with you would be a waste of time. I'm not gonna reply further.

[Ninjazzed]

Like I said, you can’t rewrite history to suit your bias. Believe what you will until you die alone.

You rely heavily on pseudo-science and fabricated history that no one can actually verify. Just paragraphs of nonsense.

If you’re claiming that men are the oppressed and not the oppressors than your claim is already a lost cause.

[EternallyCorrect]

@Ninjazzed

I won't die alone, and no that's not what I'm saying at all. You don't get it at all. I forgot to mute the thread.

[DocJones]

@Ninjazzed So much anger wow

[Ninjazzed]

@DocJones Anger? Do you even realize what you just said?

Trying to educate you morons is nearly impossible. It’s like arguing with a brick-wall. A heavily deluded one at that.

You realize OP was trying to justify his ignorance? Of course not.

[DocJones]

Don't try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate each other lol

[Shihab91]

MGTOW is a reaction of feminism so feminism is the reason.

If i was living in the west i would consider join MGTOW.
I worked in Sweden for 2 years didn't hit on any girl even 😂

https://youtu. be/rf__87l_wv4

[Ninjazzed]

So then what is feminism a reaction of?

Misogyny and toxic patriarchal traditions?

Misogyny, greed, discrimination, and degradation at the hands of men is at the root and responsible for all of this lunacy.

[Shihab91]

@Ninjazzed first you are 21 you didn't witness that you lived good life , second feminism is about revenge and hate on men. i know there has been mistakes but that doesn't justify what feminism did and all the problems created by this movements especially broken families. men who treated women like shit died long time ago stop using it. 3rd wave 4rth wave... bullshit

[Shihab91]

In another words feminism is bad as much as those men in the past. ... They turned women to toxic partners... Sadly.
There must be a fix 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Shihab91]

I don't want you to think as I'm a guy who hate you because you are a woman or some trying to end feminism so we can abuse women. But society success is top priority. I know when women hear a guy against feminism they feel scared as they think we are trying to repeat the past. But no.

[Ninjazzed]

What does my age have to do with anything?

This is fairly unanimous knowledge.

Wrong, and inexplicably wrong and unfounded.

Patriarchy damages men AND women. Men are responsible for their repercussions.

Men made it so that they’re the “providers” and “protectors” and have made it to where they have to be drafted into war and made to pay child support and alimony. Men did that to themselves.

Men still treat women poorly. This isn’t something that recently disappeared? Why do you think the majority of rape cases are still women?

And what about female-targeted violence?
What about all the double standards?

Nah, there’s legit been a regression in everything. Feminism, sexual liberation, politics, sense. We are all down bad.

When I see women dating men who are openly sexist... lol that shit is embarrassing.

I’m thinking for the future, we have to disregard old ways of doing things and find new ways of doing things.

Sometimes it’s not the best to embrace tradition, we must always be actively searching to improve society for everyone. Not just white men.

[MDollarBill]

The MGTOW (and all the Red-Pill shit) was just the natural reaction to nasty, bitter, mysandrist fourth-wave feminism.

[Asker]

Fourth wave somewhat yes. But feminism from its inception is Marxism. But nothing said it better than fourth wave feminism. Never mind dating and marriage, stay as far far away from females as you can possibly get and that advice applies to all men MGTOW or not.

[Ninjazzed]

Feminism didn’t damage society.

It’s better to be progressive and look for new methods to improve humanity than to be deeply rooted in patriarchy and racism.

If men are referring to “damage”, then yes, it damaged the patriarchy. But don’t correlate it with our society. You’re just mad it doesn’t entirely benefit you.

[Ninjazzed]

MGTOW is purely inceldom blaming women for their lack of sex life.

[myname604]

And yet my great grandmother told me that feminism would destroy society and you are!
I would not blame men if they were to usher in white sharia.
Islam is right about women.

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 Islam is nothing but a giant, oppressive, murderous melting pot itself.

Of course your great grandmother was so stupid and uneducated to make such an unfounded comment.

You got the worst pick of religious dogma there is, right next to Christianity.

Your ignorance is self-evident.

[myname604]

My great grandmother was in law school at the time feminism was taking hold!

Feminism is the worst religious cancer ever to take hold in society!

And further more, all the women in my family were highly educated and all hated feminism!

There are even famous women in my family who were attacked by feminists for the crime of opposing the fully Bolshevik funded feminist movement!

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 I don’t care how famous your family you claim to be is.

Feminism isn’t religion. Your religion is cancer and it’s a shithole.

Conservative women skate by on male approval instead of prioritizing their interests.

We have tools in place to stop harm to society. It's called: the law.

Beyond that people are free to do and think whatever the fuck they want, however wrong they are. Feminism is exercising women’s rights. Limiting this freedom, or even thinking about it, is exactly what is harming society.

With Islam, women are not even remotely educated and aren’t even allowed to drive in modern society by Sharia law. You are a fat liar.

[Ninjazzed]

Except for the Afterlife, it seems to me that Islam is not only useless, but that it is in fact opposed to virtually all values that are prized in a modern, democratic society.

It advocates hatred, lying, extortion and violence regarding non-muslims.
It makes its women second-class, then compounds the absurdity by lying that it "respects" them.
It rejects the separation of church and state.
Its Sharia laws are barbaric, prescribing death, dismemberment, and inhumane treatment for transpassers.
It does not grant freedom of religion, even to the extent of murdering those who leave Islam.
Moreover, in terms of practical results, the bulk of Nobel prizes is awarded to Jews and Christians. It's as if being Muslim is a boat anchor. Is there, in fact, anything that is praiseworthy in Islam in the modern age?

[myname604]

Enforcing "freedom" by acts of "Law" is not freedom, it is the oppression of another group.
Feminism is cancer!
It is destroying or has destroyed the entire fabric of society. Everything isn't a right and democracy is a weapon by giving every idiot the "right" to vote.
Feminism gained nothing for women but the power to lie for a vested interest in enslaving men.

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 Equivocally untrue.

Your religion is responsible for the events of 9/11 and is as toxic as the Nazi propaganda that has predated all of its violent attacks and ideology since that has threatened the existing livelihood of its own country of origination.

You’re so witless and ignorant, you don’t even care about self-preservation. Just ruthlessly killing anyone who opposes Sharia law.

Your religion is the reason that America has been fighting unnecessary wars for the past several decades.

The only thing destroying the entire fabric of society is toxic masculinity and systemic violence at the hands of men. As it has since day 1.

Are you suggesting every able-bodied citizen shouldn’t have the right to vote?

You are exemplifying everything you are preaching against.

You want to strip women of their rights and have them evolve backwards, just to lose all of their progress in gaining the right to vote and gaining a voice, instead of being viewed as a man’s property.

Back to getting raped and hanged for the color of their hair.

It is a fundamental human right to have a voice in democracy because it has always been BY the people, FOR the people.

The only ones that don’t gain anything from feminism are men, they’d rather have a wife in the kitchen coddling them and tending to their every need like a useless man-child.

Feminism was put in place because of idiotic extremists like you.

Enslaved men? You mean like men enslaved and sold women? As they continue to do in modern society in sex trafficking?

The only difference being that women have been oppressed by men for thousands of years and are still considered second class citizens in many places on the planet, so women actually have a really fucking good reason to want to enslave men.

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 Men will spend their whole year dissing feminism and feminists, and on international women's day go, “Why don’t we have men's day?”

Or

“Why no you talk about men's rights?”

The fucking gall.

Men don’t get to decide what is sexist and what isn’t, because they’re the fucking oppressors.

Men have never had to FIGHT for basic human rights. They’ve always had it granted to them.

The patriarchy damages men too. Far more than feminism damages women.

How far does your insanity border on white knighting the oppressors?

You should feel ashamed. You are only making the majority of us look bad.

[myname604]

Your religion of worshiping your supremacist race is what led to 9/11 and you blame another religion for that.
But you keep fantasising!

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 My “supremacist” race also didn’t hijack two planes and purposely crash into the World Trade Center.

YOUR religion did that.

Just admit you’re balls deep in denial and can’t handle being wrong.

[myname604]

Your supremacist race arranged the entire attack, they even celebrated on camera while watching the entire event.

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 Lemme guess, you’re one of those radical conspiracy theorists.

Who did you see celebrating?

Hundreds upon hundreds of families were screaming in anguish for their loved ones.

You’re a piece of shit if you’re trying to blame it on America and not on your fucked up culture.

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 Do you believe the earth is flat too, ignoramus?

[Ninjazzed]

@myname604 ISIS and all those other terrorist organizations plan anarchy and shit like this.

And they share the same belief system as you. The same problematic religion that fuels homicide and mass incarceration.

[Asker]

Women just as men have always had the right to vote. There was a time when women were required to own land in order to vote and same things applied to men. Men had to own land in order to vote too. Your oppression was is and always will be based on a lie. How about a man's right not to be drafted or made to register to be drafted? Men are the ones that have always had limited rights, not women.

[Ninjazzed]

Shut the fuck up.

You’re delusional. Nobody is going to believe your pseudo history.

Women weren’t allowed to vote or own land. Only men could do that. Women had to marry a man that had already owned land.

Women weren't granted the right to vote until 1920. The women's suffrage movement started in the 19th century, with the 1848 Declaration of Sentiments, which stated that all men and women were created equal, serving as a major step.

An organized effort to secure women’s right to vote took hold over the second half of the 19th century, spanning organizations and generations of supporters.

Women had to fight for their rights, on August 18, 1920, the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was ratified, guaranteeing women the right to vote in America.

Men have always had their rights intact, oppression was caused by men like you. Quit spreading bullshit misinformation.

Only men could oppress women for thousands of years, then turn around, put on a dress, and complain that they are the most marginalized group in society.

[Ninjazzed]

Men even oppressed their own kind, starting with white men oppressing colored men.

You don’t know what the hell you’re incoherently rambling about.

[Asker]

And how about you how much history do you know? If women were so oppressed as you say why didn't the queen change the rules when it was her turn? You do realize the US was under a monarchy with queens ruling at one time do you not?

en.wikipedia.org/.../British_colonization_of_the_Americas

Also take a look at the real oppressed was, a hint for you, it wasn't women> www.ancient-origins.net/.../warlike-queens-0012861

And guess who had to go fight and die in those wars started by women? What? Was that women? NO it was as it always has been, MEN.

Now since you brought it up white men doing the oppressing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

[Ninjazzed]

Queens were only elected if there was no male heir, you’re really bad at this.

[Ninjazzed]

Wrong again.

Men have started all the world wars.

Every dictator was MALE. Men are infatuated with war.

Men love domination and free reign.
For all these reasons, men love war.

But these are the easy reasons, the first circle the ones we can talk about without risk of disapproval, without plunging too far into the truth or ourselves.

But there are other, more troubling reasons why men love war. The love of war stems from the union, deep in the core of our being between sex and destruction, beauty and horror, love and death.

War may be the only way in which most men touch the mythic domains in their soul.

It is, for men, at some terrible level, the closest thing to what childbirth is for women: the initiation into the power of life and death.

It is like lifting off the corner of the universe and looking at what's underneath. To see war is to see into the dark heart of things, that no-man's-land between life and death, or even beyond.

Catherine the great compared to Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong-Un?

Like I said, it just seems like you’re extremely biased and love to demonize women. You can’t rewrite history.

[Asker]

You don't know what you're talking about. The monarchy is hereditary with strict rules about who is to succeed to the throne when a monarch dies or abdicates and never the less rather elected selected or whatever, you didn't answer the question. Why didn't the queen change things?

[Ninjazzed]

A society that creates equality amongst women and girls would not allow for gender oppression to happen.

Women would have opportunity for high leadership positions as men without a wage gap.

Violence against women and girls would be dramatically reduced. The media would not portray “rape culture” messaging.

Instead women would be valued and respected. In which, young girls would not internalize the misogynistic language and images they hear and see today.

Dismantling such a large-scale social issue such as gender oppression of women and girls is not just a structural issue, but also a cultural one.

Creating policies and systems is needed, but it will not eliminate gender oppression. There is then a need for a collective impact, where social change would be achieved by transforming our society through a broad cross-sector collaboration.

www.ibiblio.org/.../...20Historical%20Analysis.htm

[Asker]

How many women do you see climbing poles climbing towers doing the dangerous jobs that men do? Men go and do the dangerous jobs that women won't even apply for much less do and they do it because those jobs obviously pay more. Men do those jobs in order to make more to support their families and you call that a wage gap? And if a employer is paying a man more than a woman for the exact same job that has been there for the same amount of time not performing any differently then that employer is breaking the law.

OK now to address the rape and abuse claims. Got any idea where the majority of those statistics come from?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/2xeZcl7clQs/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qSEe--yGkq4/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/WkTq3hQy9Bwi/

[Ninjazzed]

For one, thanks for proving my point. Secondly, men oppressed themselves choosing to man those labor-intensive jobs, like I said.

Those said jobs don’t always equate to the most wage.

College-educated women tend to generate a greater income than typical blue collar workers.

Such as nurses, doctors, lawyers, etc. Literally any woman in those career fields.

Bitchute isn’t even a reliable source lmao only radicals and conspiracy theorists actually give that site the time of day.

Why are you lying so hard? You don’t even have the commitment to actually research this yourself.

[Ninjazzed]

Funny how all they ever say is "feminists are crazy and whining about nothing" when we show concern at the grossly disproportionate male crime problem. Some facts about male crime in America:

Men commit 87% of all murder, despite being only 49% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2017 Database

Males make up 93% of all serial killers, despite being only 49% of the population. Source: Radford University Serial Killer Database

Despite making up less than 49% of the US population, males commit 97 out of 100 rapes. Source: FBI Crime in America 2017 Database

Males commit 85% of all robbery, despite being only 49% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2017 Database

Men kill 6X more than women. Source: FBI Crime in America 2017 Database

Males commit 3 in 4 aggravated assaults, despite being only 49% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2017 Database

Males commit 93% of all sex offenses (except rape and prostitution), despite being only 49% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2017 Database

Males commit 8 in 10 burglaries and arson crimes, despite being only 49% of the population. Source: FBI Crime in America 2017 Database

Men commit 70% of all offenses against the family and children. Source: FBI Crime in America 2017 Database

As of 24 November 2018, men made up 93% of the total prison population, despite being only 49% of the general population. Source: Federal Bureau of Prisons

Of course, merely pointing out these facts makes a person a screeching SJW feminazi snowflake hitler, and we should just pretend there's nothing wrong here! There is no problem with male culture, it's the women who are constantly oppressing the men because of their pussy pass that must be blamed. It's just feminists keeping men down right?

You’re pathetic.

[Ninjazzed]

And you still ignored my question as to why you think there are more female dictators?

[Ninjazzed]

A queen would still need to gain the majority of the government’s approval, first of all.

Do you know anything about politics?

The president just can’t sign a law into effect without it going through different branches of the judicial system.

It needs to be approved.

Usually the president had to propose a bill, then the bill has to be voted on by both houses of Congress: the House of Representatives and the Senate.

If they both vote for the bill to become a law, the bill is sent to the President of the United States.

He or she can choose whether or not to sign the bill. If the President signs the bill, it becomes a law.

Same thing applies to monarchies.

[Asker]

So bitchute isn't even a reliable site, according to you. What that says about you is you are a conman's dream conned by a leftist search engine believing every word of it. That shows you are hived minded having nowhere near leader skills but instead a conformist. You're also calling one of your fellow feminist aka Cassie Jaye a conspiracy theorist as well as the female attorney feature in the second video exposed on video 01:42 while giving a lecture on how to screw over men Cassie Jaye being the last video.

There's thousands of highly educated doctors lawyers scientist and other professionals sharing in those conspiracy theories on bitchute that are much smarter than whoever wrote that article calling them conspiracy theorist and they're all coming to the same conclusions both men and women world wide. You got to wonder why they would waste their time and doing videos for free, unless there is truth in what they're saying, that is.

[Ninjazzed]

You’re an idiot. It’s a waste of time going to great lengths to having a debate with you.

“What that says about you is you are a conman's dream conned by a leftist search engine believing every word of it.”

So in your opinion, you deem Google as a “leftist” search engine and not the very platform that you think so highly of? You just described yourself in that statement alone. Are you sure you aren’t secretly into self-humiliation?

Launched in 2017 as an alternative to YouTube, BitChute joins an ecosystem of alternative, low content moderation platforms, including Gab, Voat, Minds, and 4chan.

It’s relatively easy to argue that only a handful of channels receive any engagement, and almost all of those channels contain conspiracies or hate speech. This high rate of hate speech on the platform as a whole, much of which is anti-Semitic, is particularly concerning. It goes beyond what may be considered topical or safe. There are instances where it has been banned from sites due to nefariousness and sketchy behavior on their part.

Nobody believes that steaming crock of hoax shit anymore.

[Asker]

What exactly is the patriarchy?

Is it where men fight and die to protect women with some men even being forced to do it against their will IE during Nam and still forced to register for the draft? I don't think it damaged anything.

How about the fact that men are held accountable for everything while women are rarely held accountable for anything? No I don't think it damaged that.

How about women being believed for everything and men never being believed for anything? No I don't think it damaged that.

How about men losing even their rights to see their children while having their own children used to extort them pay up or else? No I don't think it damaged that.

Did it damage men losing everything they own even after his wife cheats on him with his best friend then divorces him though a no fault divorce? No I don't think it damaged that either.

I think if it damaged anything, it damaged your ability to get married and have any children in the future. But hey after all, that's taking down the patriarchy.

[Ninjazzed]

How is it damaging my ability to get married or have children? I can still do both of those things legally?

Men have become more and more opposed to marriage and commitment also due to a system the patriarchy itself has created, so how is this in my favor?

Is this your alibi?

Wtf are you on about?

Men aren’t held accountable for literally anything?

[Ninjazzed]

There are no longer any ramifications for men.

They don’t take the pill and and can leave with little consequence, and if he sleeps around with a plethora of twats during marriage well then no biggie? But, of course if she does the same then she’s coined a “slut” or “whore” because men are the kings of double standarding.

You mean men who make piss poor decisions and then have buyers remorse could maybe start being accountable for their own dicks and questionable choices?

No, tell the truth. Men value their female counterparts in different ways than they do their fellow men. They don’t respect women. Men think it’s wildly humorous whenever women are raped or feel pain that they have never experienced.

Hence, why they laugh about something that they’re uneducated on.

Nine times out of ten, men only value women as objects instead of individuals, unless a man is involved. And laughing at rape jokes isn’t a suitable coping mechanism, so don’t dare try to tell me that it is because that’s bullshit.

Men rape women fully knowing the consequences and implications that come with it. They know that it’s fully traumatic and damaging to the victim, yet they still laugh about it.

Men are never held accountable.

Men have the choice to not sexualize women or create a pregnancy that results in an innocent child they need to care for. And no.. they don’t get to decide on abortion, but thems the breaks.. because that’s down to body autonomy.

Now, if you create a child regardless, you need to care for it, regardless of how it was conceived. This is the rape culture that men have created and they think it’s joke-worthy. Men have never been oppressed for their reproductive capabilities.

[Asker]

Actually it's you women that have buyers remorse when you go for the top 5 or 10 percent of men date and marry them because they have money or status. And you women ignore they are the ones that sleep around because they have a wide variety of women that line up and try to sleep date or marry them for the very same reasons. And when all the bad happens you blame innocent men for theirs and your actions. The last girl I dated years ago couldn't keep her legs shut the whole time I dated her she was cheating. As for me? I had the change though I never cheated once. I never cheated in any of my relationships. Now I get to hear all the lies you women spew calling all men rapist and cheaters when it's you women that do what you accuse of of doing. And how many guys do I know laugh at rape and pain? Absolutely zero. And if I knew any I wouldn't associate with them at all.

[Ninjazzed]

You men make up the majority of rapists and cheaters. Quit deflecting. Either you are in denial or you are illiterate.

Reddit is full of men who point and make fun of rape victims. Point being, your friends would never admit it to you. What “poor” men?

Do you wanna take a stab at legitimate statistics since you’re going off of bias?

Rape is a crime about power, not sex. And men are raised and conditioned to believe that not only do they have more power than women, but also they have a right to fight for more power.

Because there is a societal idea that women give (or deny) sex and men take it, rather than it being a mutual act.

Not to mention, the majority of men are physically stronger than a large amount of women, so simply, they do it because they can.

Rape is typically about power, and whilst there is no inherent thing that means men desire power over women, socially they are raised to believe that having power over women is good and that feeling "weak" against women is practically a sin. This is called socialisation, and it basically means that misogyny harms men as well as women by raising men to think less of women, for no clearly defined reason, which leads to nonsense like men feeling empowered to rape women.

[Ninjazzed]

Rape is conventionally (and to be clear, people may disagree with this stance) taken to mean "forced penetration by a person's genitals". In many countries, this is legally the case - a woman literally cannot be prosecuted for rape because (most) women do not have genitals that can be used for forcible penetration. Obviously intersex women and trans women exist but since rapes by intersex or trans people are so rare as to be essentially non-existent, we can (at least for now) ignore them as a negligible side fact. Many countries are changing these laws, thankfully, to make rape a crime that can be equally perpetrated by women under the law, by making rape somewhat broader to encompass forced sexual contact with or by someone's genitals OR some other body part or forcibly-used implement.

Men underreport rape even more than women do, because again the misogynistic element means that men are humiliated and shamed for being seen as either "weaker" than a woman, and thus able to be raped, or for being "gay" and thus being raped by a man. It's still absolutely true even accounting for unreported rapes that the vast majority of rapes are perpetrated by men, but it's still important to remember that many men do not feel able to report.

So, it's basically socialisation. Rape is a learnt behaviour, taught by society in how it treats women and how it encourages others to treat women. If you change that socialisation, to remove the elements of our society referred to collectively as "rape culture" - the parts of our culture that justify or normalize rape - then rape will no longer be an issue.

Do what you will with that information, or you can continue to cope.. whatever helps you sleep at night. I’m muting this thread.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Both are toxic garbage. Any ideology that claims broad generalizations about genders to try and claim a superiority is always going to be toxic garbage.

[boggboss]

Are we talking about the movements as a whole the toxic elements and do we also factor the good they have done or only the damage

[Asker]

If you believe there is good in what either has done, or bad, then please explain how and why.

[DocJones]

Feminism has gone too far and has essentially been hijacked by the bitter man hating minority section of feminism. The majority of women don't hate men like the extreme feminists do

[Asker]

The majority not hating men like extreme feminist do that's one aspect of it. But what about the reality of their ability to destroy men through the efforts of feminism?

[DocJones]

Part of being a man is shouldering the burden of responsibilities that come with being a man. In other words, others can only take from us what we fail to protect and preserve. Human nature has a way of weeding out the weak by appealing to our lazy side and if we let our guard down we slowly become soft.

This won't be popular, but men are on the top of the heap, king of the mountain and there will always be men and women who see that as something bad and want to change that. It is our responsibility to not allow anyone to question the valuable roles that men have in the world. It is also our responsibility to value the important roles that women have in the world. If we were meant to be the same there wouldn't be two genders.

There are plenty of women smarter than I am, more creative, work harder and even some that could kick my butt, however that doesn't mean men in general are not designed to be the leaders. It also doesn't mean that somehow women are inferior.

[Asker]

I don't disagree. However it's no longer problems for men and women to settle between themselves. She has full control and dominance through the system over him in every situation and every aspect including the ability to abuse him at will. The state isn't something that cares rather a man is weak or soft. Men are now at the mercy of the state and the courts and lose the majority of the time. What's your thought on that?

[DocJones]

A lot of truth in that