This word gets tossed around so much and to be honest I don't really care if someone is one, why are these false rhetorics of me following these new woke ideals being pushed on me. I don't see a difference between a racist and someone who oppresses and alienates someone who is one. Could someone please explain if we stand for the freedom of what we want to be then why are we being hypocrites and oppressing people that choose to be racist. I'm not American so these things are beyond my understanding and I find them strange used as a way to belittle and talk down someone when they pose a valid argument. The overuse of this word has lost its original meaning.
I agree with you that the over-use of the word racist means that only those who actually care about all those = sign stickers and all that crap actually care about the label now. In other words people who are being racist through the whole "uplifting" idea. Everyone else just starts forming a hard heart and harboring hatred that will outpace fear at some point.
Like anything else, you get accused and tossed the consequences of something long enough by someone, eventually you say screw it, they are the enemy, I'll become so much worse than what they can imagine. In my case that means gathering people together, teaching basic fire-team tactics, and being ready to respond with overwhelming force to even the slightest of perceived threats. Threaten the livelihood of me or mine, we'll simply eliminate that threat.
Civilian world, pistol is the most likely weapon you're going to use or have used against you with at least 2 people trying to assault. Kill at least one of your enemies early, quickly, and ruthlessly. You want everyone else's hand's shaking so that even from 3 or 4 yards away their aim is off a foot or two with each jerk of the trigger. There's only shame in getting shot if you still have bullets left. Also for some reason people are way more terrified when you kill someone with a knife rather than a gun. Spend those rounds freely.
Anyway, you do raise an interesting point in another way. In many places white people have never been challenged to have an identity, to question whether to have pride in ourselves and what our ancestors have accomplished, or kowtow to a minority whose greatest accomplishment since the civil rights movement has been the highest incarceration, HIV, abortion, and murder rate. Although it is old white liberals who are ruining our countries with these shutdowns and moves towards communism and oligarchs right now.
Honestly it makes me jealous of China. For everything they may do, anything that threatens their nation or identity is eliminated so swiftly, you wonder sometimes if it was done through time travel lol
It's far more broad than simply racism though as the woke movement also encompasses radical feminism, trans, and most important equity vs. equality. Being a coward vs. standing up for yourself. The labels wouldn't mean anything if people weren't such cowards to fear the purchasing power of a percent of a percent of the population. Look at how that went for trying to pressure chick-fil-a out of business when they simply had balls and said to back off, this is our belief and how we do business. It'll come about when there is a "white community" as there is currently a "black community" Difference is our numbers are overwhelming.
I'd imagine trying to unify that image would lead to warfare in Europe again. I'd say it's worse in the end to be a coward than to be racist. Rather that's a true belief, or the result of ultra-sensitive modern labels.
Racists are offered the freedom to exist and to hold whatever views they like, as long as they don't act upon those views in ways which contravene the law. We can dislike and discourage their existence but we don't interfere in it until such time as they impose their views or their will on others.
There is indeed an element of like behaviour in oppressing those who oppress, just as there is like behaviour in executing those who murder. Society has deemed it necessary to protect the interests of the many over the selfish interests of the few. The law aims to keep society stable and fair, as much as is possible. The practising of race based discrimination is incompatible with that. Divisions along racial or religious lines which are allowed to go unchecked only ever lead to conflict, to violence.
There is no realistic scenario where racial mixing can be undone in the west and hence it is vital that people can coexist. If basic human decency is not enough to ensure that then at the very least those who are decent need to shun and shame those who are not. They cannot be normalised or they will spread their hatred like a cancer.
"The self interests of few" is falsely phrased if you destroy the native majority then there would be few but there is still a strong majority and it's our duty to maintain that majority. They are a minority on the things you share your opinions on because we get silenced but there are more sites and organisations that don't censor.
Those with racist feelings and the intent to do anything about them are still a minority. Prejudice in itself may be more widespread but most make no conscious decision or effort to oppress others. Indeed, in America and most western countries the left represents at least half of the country and racism doesn't tend to be high on their list of priorities.
Freedom to believe in what you want is fine, but it does not give you freedom from consequences. If you are in the minority of people who choose to hate other races, just expect to draw the ire of those same other races.
It's not about woke ideals. It's that people just saw it was a really sh*tty way to treat others for something they have 0 control over which is the color of their skin.
Keep your ideals, treasure them if you must, but realize it does put you in a position of adversary to most and it comes with the consequences you feel you are experiencing now and very likely worse were you to escalate.
See I don't hate you unless you belittle and attack me first then I can pose a very serious threat to someone who tries to oppress me. I'm not like an American racist living on stolen land, this is my country and I won't tolerate other people living on my soil. America is the last beacon of freedom left in this world and these wokesters are ruining the place where I want to be in. Americans are supportive and kind. I don't see anything wrong with me wanting to live beside people that look like me and have similar ideals as me. If these ideals weren't shoved down my throat and had let me whatever I want then I probably wouldn't have fealt this way. I'm not alone, we only have 18 students in my class and of those 7 are boys and rest are girls out of those only me and 6 other boys and girls are patriots.
I dont think I have belittled or attacked you in any way. Again, there is nothing wrong with having your beliefs, but just understand there are others who have theirs too and it seems to me that a battle of wills over something as easy as accepting to disagree on things is silly.
You were very civil in your words and to be honest I didn't even realise you are half mexican until you told me. I was saying that with respect to society nowadays, it's not my ideology to embrace what others are but it's the ideology of my adversaries and if they are being hypocrites and literally proving their motives false then I feel like I'm being forced into submission.
Well, to me the fact you now know and we can still be civil means a lot to me. Hopefully we can provide that example to others that common ground can be be found between opposing sides. 😊
That’s not the point. Racism stems from hatred and prejudice and the belief that your race is better than the others, basically eugenics. No ones oppressing racists, it’s just regulations and laws regarding hate crimes or speech to stop the spread of harm. Yes sometimes people are overly sensitive but most of the time it is racism and historic prejudices.
@DaisyM23 You're absolutely right! It's so refreshing to see someone give the correct definition of Racism. It seems to me that people who call other people "Racist" have no idea what the term means.
What's wrong with me liking my history and my people? If foreigners come and try to ruin it by telling me I can't be proud to be myself in my own damn country then I'll be the first one to lynch them.
There’s nothing wrong with liking your country, I like mine. It’s the fact that you hate foreigners and want to bloody lynch them! That’s a very radical idea. You can be patriotic and still like diversity and celebrate it.
being "racist" is wrong, cause there's only one human race right now. Race is a taxonomic term. according to taxonomy, we're all "homo sapiens". We're all in the same Kingdom, same phylum, same class, same order, same suborder, same infraorder, same family, same subfamily, same tribe and same genus , thus claiming we're different races is by our taxonomic definitions just simply not scientifically correct.
of course you can claim that taxonomy is just our decision to sort animals and plants by certain distinguishing factors. but by pretty much all of those factors we're still part of one race. we're the same Chromosomal race, same Geographical race and same physiological race. though there could be a strong enough argument for morphological differences. yet science decided not to differentiate there. we have decided to differentiate by ethnicity, which is purely cultural or geographical. the simple reason is this:
Racism describes a dangerous nonscientific ideology that has not much to do with "biological race". it typically makes the case that humans are devided in different races that can be stratified in a hirachy and it's way to easy to build a case for legitimization of the rulership of the supposed "superior" race in the hirarchy to rule over the "inferior" ones. of course those stratifications are complete normative bullshit and have no descriptive scientifical value.
of course it's not bad to recognize that we are not all the same and that certain ethnicities have morphological features that might be enough to call them a different race biologically. but we have made so much negative experience with dangerous ideologies that missues this, that we decided to avoid that and that's what i close my case for "racism being bad" with.
tl;dr: "Race" is purely discriptive. not normative. "Racism" is highly normative and a very slippery slope to oppression, violence and even war between people of the same population.
Is race and ethnicity different then? Also you sound like a neo-socialist right now, because I get called racist by Americans for hating Syrians, Somalians, Afgans and Turks.
you know this is in my opinion a interesting discussion that i sort of hinted at in my first comment, that i'm myself not entirely sure about.
well first off: i'm not an evolutionary biologist. so i do not really know enough about that. so if we just look at the formal definition of ethnicity, ethnicity is ONLY defined by habitus and culture. so that means if i'm a white dude born and raised in africa and accustomed to their culture, social contexts and habitus, i'm by definition of African ethnicity. so really if you carefully read the descriptions of what "ethnicity" is supposed to mean, i think that the distinction between "ethnicity" and "culture" is sort of fluid and not clear.
so why is it that we know that a person with let's say black skin, thick lips and wide nose has genes that go back to African descent by just looking at them, if it is NOT a race? i think science just avoids the term race for political reasons, not for scientifical reasons. i mean you can take a gene test today and it can tell you exactly about the geographical composition of where your ancestors come from. so how can we make decently accurate predictions by just "looking" at someone and very accurate assessments by testing the genes of someone, if there's no taxonomic differences and we're all the same race?
i would prefer that we do not go the normative direction. normative judgements are useless for me. you're entireled to your emotions about certain people. i have my own opinions. i don't think discussing that is very usefull. do you?
i know that racial mixing will probably long term make black and white go away and create a majority of "brown-ish" people long term. however i do not see the problem with that. but i'm open to hear about your reasoning for that, if you think that is a problem.
That would lead to the decline and eventual demise of society. I'm not even ashamed to say but I want to see an ethnically pure nation which is extremely homogeneous. 100% European.
can you show me the connection between racial mixing and the decline and demise of society? from what you argued, those are 2 separate observations. i don't see the correlation.
I'm a modern fascist from a former socialist country, Germany has the most Antifa retards and modern commies even more than America despite being a former fascist inspired national socialist country, at least the half of it.
Absolute power resting in left wing governments, Disarmament of civilians, European cultural suicide, demilitarisation, Declining marriage rates, increasing divorce rates, Declining birth rates, infanticide of European children, social acceptance of mixing, white genocide and oppression also the fact that you cannot be proud of your history and culture in your own damn country.
i agree with you that germany is a very socialist totalitarian country with communist tendencies. i don't like that either. the reason for that is obvious though. we're still trying to somehow make up for our nazi history. that is not to say that i agree with how we do that. just an observation.
I'd rather be a Nazi than a commie. Communism guarantees native genocide, how a primate Georgian like Stalin and dirty Jew like Lenin destroyed the tsar, the white army and the ethnic Russian people and their culture. at least Hitler cared about his People.
well history has proven that we can achieve totalitarian regimes with massive genocides under pretty much every form of social structure and government. it's actually shockingly easy. just create an artificial fear that you want to protect people from and people will be willing to basically violate all the rules (laws) for their "protection"... you see that again with corona. and you also saw that with the war on "terrorism".
either way, i was interested in the connection you see between racial mixing and social decline. can you please explain to me, who those different things are connected? you gave me some measures of social decline. however the way i see it, those declines you mentioned are self inflicted by ideology, not caused by racial mixing.
European society has always restored itself, wherever we went we made things work and made it work beautifully. Germans were known for their work ethic and craftsmanship in everything they built heck even the best rocket in the war was German, the first jet aircraft was German, German engineers built the Apollo that landed on the moon, the work on the tsar bomba and most American and soviet nukes were done by German scientists, German built meant quality and beauty whether it be from the east or west, be it watches, furniture or even guns, heck we only own two pistols and one is a party leader Walther ppk here. Now I view Germany as a dictatorship that ruined Europe. West Germany was a great country but after the reunification and mass migration of Turks, Germany has gotten richer but it's people haven't, Inflation has increased but people's wages haven't. Skilled workers are imported not taught by the government to natives. This is the way nature intended us to be and look like and if we disrupt that balance by bringing in non natives that have never been successful in their society since centuries. (The sultan didn't do a lot for his people*.) Racial mixing is done by irresponsible people generally brought in by shit foreign policy thus not investing in raising their child to be a responsible person and to work for their own good, instead they teach them to cry for free money in the name of accused racism. Europe is for European people remember that. Look at the dirty Morrocans in Germany brought in as refugees and act like gangsters and make songs about commiting crimes and the German Antifa commies dance to them. All these people are entitled shits that want our money for free because we have it they won't work a damn bit for it.
don't you think that our economy was fucked by the fact that we lost the war and not so much by racial mixing?
also our sense of "german quality" made way to "planned obsolescense", which is the modern trend. that trend isn't caused by racial mixing either.
we don't need to speak about criminals. criminals are criminals and they should be pursued. no argument there.
but i still don't see how the racial mixing is at fault for the problems you mentioned. i see other reasons for those problems. i mean the recent refugee politics was massively fucked up. they let in all sorts of criminals, that then commited crimes here and that went mostly unchecked. i think that is a horrible mistake that needs to be corrected. but that is not a case to claim that racial mixing "generally causes the crime rates to go up". i don't see the connection there.
I don't think that racial mixing and decline of society happened at the same time and coincidentally, it's the root cause for the destruction of Europe. Have we ever been so ravaged by islamic fundamentalism? No. Have we ever been so damn ugly before? No. Do you thinks it's fair a refugee has 10 children and a home provided by the government and he gets free money while a German has no children, struggling and lives with his parents? That's the root cause of such resentment among the so called neo Nazis. If we even look at Europe from 2000s to 2010s it was way better than now. Less political correctness, you forget why your nation is called Deutschland and the one I lived in called sverige because of its people and their culture and identity. Less Diversity means more stability and safety. Japan became safer in the 1700s until 1860s when they closed their country off from outside interference and reproduced like rabbits to homogenise the population while exterminating brown skinned Okinawans. There's a reason why light skinned people are successful and it's because supremacy is true, we put wheels on a horse, we invented democracy, we invented the telephone, the internet, our contribution to the world is unmatched and we should maintain our pride and our identity at all costs otherwise lose the so called white privilege better termed as white achievement, our ancestors who worked hard for us and we voluntarily destroy their work.
well if you think it's a root cause, then you would have to know why and how. i personally don't think so. i think we fucket up ourselfes with our leftist ideologies.
That's true we need to be pure and have our strong sense of community to succeed like when your nation restored itself after the great depression and all the sanctions laid by the treaty of Versailles. Do you want your neighbourhood to look like a Brazilian slum? Because that's what it will like look like soon. Do you think the modern west (post '91) is good? To me democracy and socialism are the slow and painful demise of a nation and we will reach that soon enough, we are the real minority and a dying one we should consider ourselves an endangered culture and ethnicity. Society will correct itself as it always does but will cause a mass extinction of good individuals, the success of European civilization wasn't a fluke but a fact about our characteristics. We forget the fact that we're animals too, for example you said we are all the same! Neither me nor nature agrees with that, I'll give an example dogs are similar on the inside but a German shepherd is in all ways superior to a dirty mutt or a chihuahua and if they mix the superior German shepherds offspring wouldn't be as good as him and the next generation of them would be even weaker. Ask yourself, can you in the streets and shout I'm German and proud of it, with no negative responses from the divided people? I blame that on racial mixing especially when races like Slavs and Germanics combine, which in my case is the reason for my self hatred. I agree the Holocaust was horrible but why are we turning a blind eye to this silent European genocide that targets it's ethnic people to be replaced by mere refugees acting as puppets for the left wing? Look at the former Soviet nations, most of them are the harborers of the modern right while look at the so called west were the radical left is taking form. Neither the former east and the so called west are doing any good in my opinion. Our biggest threat comes from the Mediterranean riding boats and from Greece walking by land.
If Africans have every profitable natural resource and every single different human ethnicity has existed for a long time then why were the Brits, French, Dutch, Germans, Danes, Belgians, Russians, Turks so capable in conquering and colonising huge landmasses? Why are most technological advancements from our time done by Europeans? Whether it be slav or Germanic or briton/Celtic? Most of the medical procedures used today are from our very own continent. I don't believe it was a coincidence that the decline of European civilization and the mass migration are not related.
Honestly sometimes he word racist is missused. For instance I am white and I don't owe anyone apologies for my ancestors. I am not going to bend on my knees for something I haven't done. And If I find a privilege I am going to use it. Like anyone would. Would you tie your feet to run at the same pace someone on a manual wheelchair goes? I bet you won't. I have my fair share of hardships I had to endure my entire life. I didn't grew up on a rich environment. My great grandfather's both died working on a mine. My grandfather had to work on multiple jobs until he was able to save a bit and build a small business. I was born with a condition that affects my organs and I was not able to do sports at the same pace that others did. I was beaten the crap out due to that for over a decade. I had to save and pay for getting through university and also for my medical treatments. Sure we can all talk about victimhood and privileges and all that stuff. But I am not going to apologize for the small privileges I can get for being born white. I am proud of having been born white just like others are of their race/skin color. This is not racist in any way. If you want privileges earn them I am not going to be the one saying no to mine though. And also not going to be the one discarding you from a job interview for your race or origins. What else do people want?
Talk about overused words? "Woke" ? And racism itself? Please. Racism is a very misused term currently because people don't know what it means. "Racism" is the belief that a particular race is superior (measurably and inherently) to all other races. "Racists" are those demonstrate and harbor prejudice against those races they believe to be inferior. These actions can be anything from mild to extreme.
So yes, you're "free to be a racist" and you're free to believe that your race is superior to all others. What I don't understand is why you think being ostracized or alienated by every other race that is not your own is "oppressing you" or somehow limiting your freedom?
I think of it as someone being my intellectual enemy, and it's always a challenge to love your enemies. I don't dislike someone because they say "I love being a white skinned person, or a brown skinned, or black skinned," or whatever skinned person. The dislike comes in when you add " ... because it means I'm BETTER than you." Hopefully you see the difference.
Are you retarded? There are white Hispanics descend from Spain and Portugal, Mestizo is a mix of a white man and an indigenous woman. Poor Hispanics are afro.
Nothing really. As long as you don't get out of your way to hurt those who you don't like or deem somewhat inferior to you. Today racism? A lovely woke point card that will get you far for institutions and media are too fearful of backlash to call bullshit even when it's getting spread all over their faces.
If I don't like Muslim refugees that my government brings in and gives them free money and ignores its citizens for grabbing media attention. They totally ruined my country, we have unprecedented crime and rape rates. They don't want jobs just free money. Does doing all that makes me a racist? Or just being my skin color does?
I think some of this stuff is peculiar to America and as non Americans, we just don't understand it. Some of this is perculiar to bring black in America. And some of it is perceived historical abuses that have not been reconciled. Unfortunately, in our connected world, America is exporting this local matter around the world and it makes less sense in other cultures although groups have been quick to monetize it.
I think that most people are racist, even many liberals who virtue signal about it. It's natural to prefer to be around people who are more genetically similar to yourself, and I don't believe that it's only about skin colour but also shared history.
Racism is a word used only really on white people, but most other races of people are much more ethnocentric and have much stronger in-group preferences than most white people, and that's encouraged.
not everyone within that ethnic group will act the same tho, and I'm sure there are many within your ethnic group who do the same. why do you choose to generalise them in such a manner?
The far rigt fake news keeps trying to brainwash people into thinking everything is called racist so they get mulish about racism being called racist. This question just echoes that trollish bullshit.
Not sure what you're trying to say, but it sounds like you are addicted to the far right fake news. I'd recommend getting away from the misinformation and going out to meet people in real life. You'll find the reality of people is both more disappointing and more fascinating compared to the cartoon narrative provided by the far right fake news.
White AND black can be racists. There are more black people that are racists.
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The easiest way to remember and make sense of it is to look at the context instead of the definition. Nothing is racist if you're not white. Everything is racist if you are. So therefore, "racist" means "white", and "antiracist" means "anti-white".
The Arab slave traders, the ottoman sultan, the Mongols, the NAACP, BLM, European union. These are the real racists and genocidal organisations and I believe that the police need to be brutal to criminals like Rodney king to set an example and warn future criminals.
This one actually kinda hurts me to read. As a minority, I have been nothing but kind and supportive of you. To know that you would still look down on me because of my skin color or nationality genuinely hurts.
People say a lot of things about me on here. It's fine. I don't embrace their thoughts of who I am, I just continue to be who I know I am.
I don't call you a racist because I don't feel you are. Hell, I don't even think Nikolai is one. If he was, he wouldn't have taken the time to speak civilly with me on this topic. I think that he is for sure a nationalist and his ideals don't sync with mine, but I am not going to condemn him for it just like I wouldn't do for you.
We aren't always going to agree but if we can coexist equally that is perfectly fine with me.
I was once called racist for having a white girlfriend lmfao i honestly don't care but people like them are the ones who're making this whole end racism thing a joke.
I agree with you that it is way over used. Most perceived racism nowadays is imaginary. At the end of the day, a person can ultimately choose to be whatever they want to be. That being said, they have to live with consequences.
RACISM "the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another."
So you believe your race is superior or inferior to another race?
@Cathy7734 "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."
I would discriminate in order to make the best choices for myself, my family, my business etc. as long as I found data to support such discrimination.
@Cathy7734 I just gave you a definition of racist. Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism towards a race. I will discriminate based on racial statistics. I am racist. I also saw your definition as well. I believe many actions can be classified as racist as it is an umbrella term. I have never had to convince someone that I was racist before. I believe that some races have contributed to society more as well if that counts? I don't believe anything is equal honestly... not individuals or ideologies or races.
We just have different definitions of racism. It sounds like your definition of "Racism" is an umbrella that includes prejudice, discrimination, and/or antagonism directed against a race. I believe that if someone is prejudice, it doesn't mean that person is a racist unless they say they are superior to another race.
@Gray-Wisp I don't believe that makes you a racist. First of all, I believe you. Secondly, you are not saying Whites/Asians are superior to another race, even though someone may say you are eluding to that sentiment.
Racism is thinking one race is inherently above another solely due to their race. You bringing up contributions doesn’t necessarily make you racist. Do you believe that white people should look down on black people because of how we look?
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