Can somebody explain to me why a guy who decapitated his girlfriend should not be executed?

[Stoner710]

I’m pro limited death penalty, for people who commit the most heinous of crimes. We are taking for example a guy who raped his 2 year old daughter and crushed her skull against a truck or a guy who got a ride from 2 youth pastor and when he got to his destination shot them in the back of the head. Or in this case a guy who was arrested previously and released for trying to burn down his apartment and now he’s going to jail for decapitating his girlfriend can somebody explain to me why my tax dollars she goes to giving this guy food and water for the next 40 to 50 years however long the guy lives.

[SupremeWarlord]

I defend punishments to be compensatory, so if you do any damage, your punishment should be to undo the damage and pay some interest for the time the damage lasted.

In your case the killed someone, so there's no way he can undo that, but he still could be indebted to that person's family in some way, and pay that debt, it can be monetary.

That's because when you kill him, that's it, it's the end for him but no one else gains much with that, and that certainly prevents him from doing anything bad in the future, but I have trouble with this type of "Let's prevent" logic.

And I agree, incarcerating him doesn't do much good, he basically becomes a freeloader living off taxpayers, he may be bored on the prison, but that's it, the person he killed doesn't come back, and their family gain nothing, actually they're paying for him to live through taxes, doesn't sound fair. Executing him sounds better than incarcerating him.

But another reason that the death penalty is controversial is because there will always be a chance of executing innocent people, there's no such a thing as 100% guilty without any shred of doubt. Eventually, you will execute innocent people. That doesn't happen with incarceration, and doesn't happen with my debt solution.

[NaultD]

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. . . For when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you"

Showing a measured merry on any criminal person is not for the criminal sake but for all of our souls. I don't harbor any ill will for anyone that seeks personal vengeance on a murder victim but as a society convicting a criminal murderer we have to rise above such actions. Let them boil in there own filth for the rest of there life.

It's no mercy to the murderer but for ourselves not to swim in their own filth with them. To degraded our society to the level of a single monster. We are better than them individually and together to create a better future for everyone, while they bare witness from a jail cell. Thats justice.

To the executed murderer they look at that state appointed warden in the face and finds solidarity eye to eye opponent and lost fair and square as an equal.

[JuliaStyles]

Simple, the bleeding hearts don't think they deserve the same kind of treatment they gave those they murdered. I think the Bible had it right. An eye for an eye. As it is now it is a slap on the wrist for murdering someone in cold blood. Even if they get life they can get out. If they get the death penalty that is the same as life without parole as they will probably never be executed. The fact is people don't seem to be held accountable now days unless you are the police. People are too busy following the police around to get videos of them doing wrong that they don't see all the defecates doing their crimes of lust, rape, murder, and rioting.

[Stoner710]

I agree, however lust isn’t a crime if it was ever man would be in prison I understand as a former Christian myself I understand it’s one of the 7 deadly sin in catholicism but it’s not a crime

[JuliaStyles]

It's the results from lust that are the crimes, such as rape.

[juliaanita]

It's hard for me to even read your paragraph and not think about what kind of monsters there are out there-and how they should be punished-so I somewhat agree you.
But if you are worried about the tax dollars alone-I believe that it has been proven that it's less expensive to keep someone in prison for life, than to execute someone.

[Stoner710]

Tax dollars are the least of my concern it’s more of an added on point.

I don’t see how it’s more expensive to execute somebody. It’s a quick bullet to the back of the head or a quick axe to the neck even though we don’t execute people by beheading anymore. I think my state still does the occasional hanging. Either way I’d be willing to pay for people like the guys mentioned to be executed. It seems like a just punishment to me in cases like these.

[Stoner710]

I was wrong we don’t have the death penalty in my state

[juliaanita]

Do some research-it looks to me that it is more expensive. The judicial system doesn't work with "a quick bullet the back of the head" thank goodness. I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment, just your your perception of how justice in the United States is carried out.

[Stoner710]

It seems like your right, Its due to the trial itself the initial pulling of the trigger or switch or injection it’s self isn’t that expensive. For example a bullet cost about 3$ Plus In death penalty cases one automatically get an appeal trial, Like I’m kanas it cost an average of 1.2 million for a death penalty trail vs 740,000 for normal.

Of course the bullet to the back of the head would be done after due process is all said and done,

[juliaanita]

If due process is done, I may not disagree.

[Stoner710]

Oh yea I’m not talking nazi style shot them in the head without a jury of your peers everyone should yet due process due process is finished yes get rid of them. (Of course appeals will be done before the execution but really they shouldn’t be sitting there for years they should maybe have a week)

[Lazi-boi]

There are a couple of reasons I'm against it

1. The certainty of proof. This is having proof even beyond reasonable doubt, having blatent proof than someone has done the crime since once you kill an innocent person there's no taking it back

2. If the death penalty is allowed, it puts its implementation in the hands of the state. Sure, a child rapist and murderer might deserve to die, but now the door is open to things like "domestic terrorism" and there's no coming back after that

In an ideal world, we would have 100% proof of a crime, and the death penalty would only apply to the most irredeemable ones. We don't live in an ideal world but, so I'd rather pay for 100 guilty people to rot in jail to save 1 innocent person

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure we both live in the same state, and I know a guy who decapitated his girlfriend. I was working in a prison work release, and he was about due to release. I asked him what his plans were, and the told me his plan was to go back to prison. I asked him why, and he said it's just the way he is.

Sure enough, about two months later he murdered his girlfriend. Now we'll be paying for him for the rest of his life.

I'm not sure how many times he's been to prison, but it's at least 3 times that I know of. To me, the only thing worse than a death penalty, is letting these scum back out into the streets. They ALL re offend.

[Stoner710]

That’s interesting, of course I come the same state where Ted Bundy did most of his killings and Gary ridgeway aka the green river killer.

Yea I’m in favor of the death penalty for extreme cases like this, I understand the idea that we don’t want to execute innocent people but in cases where we know who did the horrible movie style killing I’m all for it

[Opinion Owner]

When I got sent to the work release academy, they put us up in a Hampton Inn. We were about 10 miles from Gary's house. Everyday after class I crossed the Green River on my way to the mall. I had a strange feeling every time I crossed that bridge.

Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee let a murderer out of prison who was supposed to get life. A few days later the killer drove to our state and murdered four cops having lunch at a coffee shop in Parkland.

[Stoner710]

That’s weird for Mike Huckabee he’s normally pretty tough on crime. I thought our governor was bad since he let an entire area of seattle get taken over by terrorist and they called it chaz (capitol Hill autonomous zone).

Yea that scary especially with a serial killer on the loose, I was barely born during his crime spree I was 8 when he was caught and had only been living on the west side for a couple years at that point

[Opinion Owner]

I saw the movie about Gary. What strange dude. Well, Huckabee got spanked for that stupid decision, because when he attempted to run for the presidency, he bombed out because of that.
No Republican would vote for a candidate that would grant clemency to a kill, who then went on to kill four more people.

You mentioned a few of our serial killers, but I knew there were more, so I cheated and Googled it.

Robert Lee Yates
Warren Leslie Forrest
The Freeway Phantom (hasn't been caught)
The Tube Sock Murders (not sure what that one is about)

[Stoner710]

Yea there tons of serial killers out there Jeffery Dahmer John Wayne Gacy there was the zodiac killer which is still out there but he was more 1970 I believe. All of these guys shouldn’t be getting the death penalty when caught

[Opinion Owner]

Should or shouldn't?

[Stoner710]

Should

sorry I’m using my phone sometime auto correct is that crap

[Opinion Owner]

I agree, kill em'. But they probably won't, and we'll end up paying $50,000 per year to house them.

[Stoner710]

Exactly, I think we miss understand the idea of cruel and unusual punishment. Even though with people like whom we have been talking about I would love to see them get the bronze bull. Lethal injection works just as well

[ralphphilip83]

I don’t get it either. He might have made some sort of deal with a prosecutor. He might have had mental health issues- I personally think it’s crap but maybe the prosecutor was afraid that if it went to trial the jury would sympathise.
If I were judge and jury I'd have executed the guy.

[Stoner710]

Ted Bundy was found to have mental health issues and yet he wasn’t executed. Even though I’m pretty sure most people would support his execution same with Charles Manson

[Smashingdoozy]

I think people who are not remorseful for their crimes should get the death penalty. i. e Ted Bundy, he committed heanous crimes yes, but it was also evident that no amount of jail time would have effect on how he felt about those crimes.

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

These criminals are smart, they refuse to admit 1st degree rape so they avoid the death penalty. If someone kills another to protect their reputation they should get death but the states disagree and give them life instead. It infuriates and saddens me that there are people who upon seeing a vulnerable situation take advantage. I wouldn't so why do they? Why do these people even think that. Part of me thinks they've been wronged. You know girls if they weren't so picky and actually valued a guy rather than his looks there'd be lots of happy guys who didn't feel they lost out on sex at a young age and less rape murders. I don't like blaming girls but it's a fact that men are rejected often and have to be the way women want them to be e. g. marriage kids to be respected in society. But that hides the fact they are unhappy.

[Deathraider]

Because what social good comes out of that? It feels like he deserves it, and that’s an understandable feeling, but no means any justification. Even if he did those acts, he still does have rights that we can’t violate, and one such right is to live. Rather he should be imprisoned as we try to find ways to rehabilitate him with hopes of reincorporating him back into society.

[loveslongnails]

I can not tell you why, except to cite the rational that "killing someone to prove killing is wrong might not make sense". However, I agree, that it seems like a waste to spend money to keep them alive. Maybe in the grand scheme of things it's better to send their soul back home to be recycled a bit and give them another chance at a real life.

[alice55]

I guess that's a religious or moral things, like we're not god, we have no right in deciding who live or die (or something similar). Personally I'm for death penalty in extreme cases.

[GentlemannJ]

I'm not particularly fond of capital punishment, but there are some people that are too evil, too sadistic, and too psychopathic to remain with the human race and would be better off leaving this mortal coil. Those you mentioned would be among them.

[Andres77]

Generally, with the criteria/examples you cited... they should be publicly executed.
I'd support that.
And soon.
Appeal what?
No, death sentence within 30 days.

[Stoner710]

The appeal is to make sure they have the right guy double check the evidence get a new jury of your peers and if a secondary find you guilty then you might spend a week in jail but sometime during that week the execution Will occur

[Andres77]

As long as they were 100% sure... like they're supposed to be now... I'd support this.

Which suggests that the evidence that has convicted so many innocent people... those procedures need to be overhauled.

Some are overzealous DA's and cops. Once it's found out if any evidence was fabricated the offender needs to pay the same sentence that the falsely convicted did.

And... if you're guilty of sexual assault, harsh as fuck penalties. But if you're falsely accused... once the "victim" comes clean they should pay the same penalty that the falsely accused would have paid. And be on the hook for all his legal defense fees.

[Stoner710]

your never going to get to 100% you can get 99.99% sure your always going to have mistakes due to human error. but its not like the 70s 80s or 90s there video evidence DNA evidence and witnesses. but if 1 out of 10,000 executing seems like its worth it

[ronaldo75]

I want him executed but the problem is when women do the same to their husbands they dont get the death penalty. That's the issue with the death penalty, the fact that it's never given out equally.

[Stoner710]

Of course They get the death penalty the standard applies to them as well

[jamesgoldman]

I can as a oro-death penalty supporter

I support extreme ways to conduct the penalty such as the use of alkali metals

[karaspara]

I cannot and I come from a country without capital punishment

[Stoner710]

Yea capital punishment is normally left up to the states to decide there are 22 states that have 0 Capital punishment there are 25 states that have capital punishment and three states where the governor hast to order it ( California Oregon and Pennsylvania governor‘s orders) normally I’m not for the death penalty except in extreme cases

[karaspara]

I'm usually against it but there are cases here and abroad where i'm just like bring back hanging

[Anonymous]

The only argument I would make against executing him would be he possibly didn't do it. Was there DNA evidence linking him to the crime or Air Tight Evidence that leaves no room for error? Other than that I would have no problem with it.

[msc545]

Really? What if he was legally insane?

[Opinion Owner]

@msc545 Yes, that too.

[Stoner710]

How about actual video footage and many witnesses

[Opinion Owner]

Well duhh, that would help.

[Notfabricated]

I dont believe in being the judge for someone ones future. But he definitely needs some type of evaluation of his mental status.

[OddBeMe]

Can we guarantee that an innocent person won’t get executed?

[Stoner710]

If we leave it to extreme cases like this yes. We shouldn’t over use the death penalty but if you cut your girlfriend’s head off in public we can guarantee this guy is guilty

[OddBeMe]

We can’t leave it to extreme positions. Because all crimes would seem worthy until we discover someone was innocent. Which we have. Numerous times.

[Stoner710]

When you have actual video footage of the decapitation yes it’s justified. Nowadays we investigate to the point when we know who is the murder. This is in the 80s or 90s we have DNA evidence we have purchasing evidence our forensics are so good that we can literally say that the Colorado killer was innocent and that was in the 1880s I believe. This is why we have an appeal process to make sure we’re executing the right person.

[OddBeMe]

If you want to pass an amendment for capital punishment “only to be used with convicts with video evidence that shows absolute guilt”, fine. But if we don’t have “video proof that shows absolute guilt”- no capital punishment.

[Stoner710]

So indicate I’m describing you would support capital punishment

[SupremeWarlord]

Even in cases with video there's no such a thing as absolute proof, the guy on the video can misidentified, or he can be even forced to do that video, things like that happen, there's no way to reliably 100% prevent this. At least as far as I know. You can still agree with death penalty if you're willing to accept some margin of error.

[OddBeMe]

@SupremeWarlord but then you’re personally ok with innocent people being executed,

[SupremeWarlord]

I'm not, I already answered his question, and I believe there's one better solution than death, at least in my opinion.

But I can understand people who defend the death penalty, even when there's that tiny bit of margin of error, simply because it's not possible to get rid of that. It's sad seeing one innocent person being executed, even if it happens once per century, but I'm saying that I UNDERSTAND people who are okay with that without judging them as psychopaths.

[SupremeWarlord]

But often people in favor of death penalty are in denial, they often say that only 100% cases will get the death penalty, but this 100% is simply not real.

[Joker_]

Do you seriously believe execution is a harsher sentence than life in prison?

[Stoner710]

Yes, life in prison you work out you eat you sleep you get toilet wine you get a full life, Execution you don’t get that sure you get a last meal of your choosing beyond that, that is your only luxury

[888theGreat]

life in prison is worse , but we need to get rid of parole

[wllrobey]

Agreed... This guy is ongoing threat in or out of prison.

[White_Boy_506]

The death penalty needs to be used far more liberally these days.

[Anonymous]

Where's a good vigilante when you need one? Need a real life "Dexter" in this Country!!!