Should the unvaccinated school teacher who took her mask off and infected 26 students with COVID have gotten the free COVID vaccine or worn a mask?

[BlacklightShade]

"An unvaccinated elementary schoolteacher infected with the highly contagious Delta variant spread the virus to half of the students in a classroom, seeding an outbreak that eventually infected 26 people, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

How the Delta Variant Infiltrated an Elementary School Classroom

The teacher did not follow safety guidelines, researchers found.

The teacher had COVID symptoms and went to school anyway.

The students were too young for vaccination because they were all under twelve.

Every student in the first row tested positive.

80 percent of the second row tested positive.

Some infected students went on to infect at least eight siblings and parents.

Researchers found the teacher was indeed the cause of the outbreak.

"State health researchers sequenced specimens of the virus from many of the positive cases and found that all had been infected with the Delta variant. Samples from at least 10 students in two grades were genetically indistinguishable. The results suggested that the cases in both grades came from the same outbreak."

Yes

No (because freedom)

I dunno

[FreshOutaIdeas]

Aw bless, all these retards thinking they're on the good guys team saying the teacher should've been vaxxed and/or charged and what not... Tell me, since all of you bed wetting freaks have obviously been hiding indoors the last 18 fucking months, have you even seen one iota of evidence that even points to the 'Rona even fucking existing?

You morons don't even know what is in the vaccines nor have you been warned of any looming contraindications, and yet you want to persecute others who have been set up in bullshit news articles for not getting jabbed by something which legally speaking, in not even a registered Vax yet, given that it is still in clinical fucking trials till 2025 if I'm not mistaken?

I tell you something, if all you fools ain't dropped dead in the next 5-10 years, you'll all be fucking strung up with the rest of the looney tunes cabal when truth comes to light...

I honestly didn't think (((they))) could top the lies they spun about WWII... This is an even bigger folly than that!

Gullible goyim giving the Talmud people Oy Vey vibes never ceases to make my ring piece cringe nice and tight ☠️☠️☠️☠️

[BlacklightShade]

Go lick a hospital bed.

[FreshOutaIdeas]

Hows that Graphene Oxide for you?

[Johnsmith23895]

My cousin has corona you fucking cunt

[Ryfyle]

The AI knows whats up.

[MarkusCopeland]

Don't be mean to this guy. He suffers from an extreme spinal problem that causes immense amounts of pain. Having your head buried up your arse tends to do that though.

[TheorionMage]

IDEALLY we certify those with close contact to our allegedly 'precious' children to exercise 'sound' judgement. KNOWING the potential for airborne infection in such CLOSE confines, HOW IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, can our Society ALLOW this teacher to retain their teaching certification? IF ANY of those children ineligible to yet BE vaccinated, should DIE (and, THAT is possible) are 'we' prepared to haul that Teacher's ass up on CRIMINAL FELONY charges of 'Negligent Homicide'? Not like they didn't KNOW that 'worst case scenario' exists any less than carelessly waving a loaded firearm in that classroom. At the minimum, this teacher 'wounded' those infected kids!

Should that school's Administration ALSO be charged as "Accessories Before the Act" as conspiratorially knowingly CONDONING that Teacher's choices?

I know of NO signed 'hold harmless' documents! THAT Techer needs 'de-certified' and lose their license... they "rolled the dice" borne of their STUPIDITY... would you be as condescending had this been 26 cases of pedophilia?

Being non-consensually intimately touched by a parentally- endorsed authority figure, is NO LESS 'infectious' that TOLD, ... been REQUIRED to be in intimate presence of this Teacher for ALL day, five days weekly~ >:(

[JustAnj]

Why is there kids in school and why aren't they teaching outdoors? It's not that hard to set up. A lot of schools have outdoor areas. 🤷

If it's this serious maybe kids should stay home and learn. My kids will be doing this, they don't understand to keep a mask on. I don't see why it's so hard. Society has been through some tough stuff. We aren't that weak.

Overall she should have gonna home if she had symptoms and wore a mask indoors if she didn't. It's not that hard. It's just a mask. I haven't gotten once or my kids. My distant family has, luckily no deaths and my mom is immune. All I did was keep a mask on and went to important necessary places other than a few family trips to theme parks and zoo. 🤷

My husband works as a mail man and he also has not gotten it people surrounding us refuse to wear a mask (unless it's mandatory) but he does. No clue.

[kespethdude]

That'll work fine... until winter.

[Flower7]

Yes, she should have kept her mask on, especially since she knew she was having symptoms. That classroom map is very interesting. I like how it tells the seating of the students in relation to whether they caught the illness or not. That's very scientific.

[hahahmm]

Kids almost always get super mild cases of covid so a better question is if all these little filthy kids should be allowed to give the common cold, flu and the other 100 annoying diseases that they give to adults.

We now also know that Israel which gave most of its population the vaccine is now getting destroyed by a new covid varriant... because the vaccine doesn't actually do what we were told it would. There's going to be a new variant every 2-3 months and the vaccine shots people got before won't help.

[molonski2]

Well , I would have hoped that someone in her situation would have been vaccinated , that would just make sense , now even after vaccination she could have passed it , but it would make sense to take that precaution for a school teacher.
Had symptoms? Yes , but must have been very mild Id assume , but with symptoms , surely youd think " I may be contagious " and utilise a mask , at least while in class , although that could be difficult.
If I were a school teacher , I would certainly do as above.

[molonski2]

The really frightening thing , is some fool gave this a thumbs down... THAT LOGIC IS FRIGHTENING , how could you? In this circumstance?
Common sense , just is not so common.. idiots.

[front2back]

If she had Covid symptoms anyway a mask wouldn't have helped much. If you're constantly coughing or sneezing with viral droplets spraying everywhere, given enough time through dispersion they'll make their way around an enclosed space, albeit much slower than no-mask. That is why the first rule of any disease is if you feel sick, DON'T go around others.
Otherwise the vaccine very likely would have helped since while the vaccinated are seeming to get infected almost as easily as the unvaccinated with the new strains they usually do not exhibit symptoms and thus less would have been exposed.
And before I get lit up yes I was vaccinated with the J&J back in March.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Coivd viruses are about one micron.

The smallest holes in the medical type masks are 80 microns.

The holes in cloth masks are much larger.

Water droplets are what carry the virus. Droplets over 80 microns are to heavy to travel very far or hang in the air from regular breathing.

You can test this yourself by breathing on a cold morning. If you can see your breath through the mask... You are seeing the water droplets that spread covid.

I don't think the masks make much difference. I think they are there to hide Kamalas face so you can't see her grinning like a psycopath.

[doopayo]

Should’ve done both, she’s a god damn teacher. Students are some of the most vulnerable since their immune system isn’t fully developed yet so for her to just not vaccinate is putting her students in danger. Absolutely disgusting

[menina]

Yes she should have been vaccinated or at least kept her mask on.
Also if she knew she had symptoms she should have gotten a test and stayed isolated. What she did was irresponsible and selfish. She put a lot of people in danger, not only her students.

[Bobme]

Fake News
What they leave out is that sure the students probably tested positive. But , so what, they didn't suffer any symptoms.
They keep saying how much worse this is. BUT, THE HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE NOT GOING UP. PERIOD.
If they were really worried about this so called pandemic they would stop people from coming across the southern border. And they certainly wouldn't be relocating them all over the country. Well let me correct that. Relocate to SWING STATES. To hopefully change republican states to crazy democrap , democrat.
All this nonsense, including masks which don't work for covid is about controlling people to through in more ways to steal the votes come election day. Wait and see. They will want more mail in, and drive up voting with no ID.🧁

[ChefPapiChulo]

Troll

[Smoke-n-Growls]

And she ought to be fired, fined, and jailed for her impact.

There's evidence.

[iBeowulf]

Let's just give her the death penalty... fuck it! 🤪🤣

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Nah, no need. She'll die of COVID on her own.

Plus, why death penalty? She simply disobeyed her employers policies/her duty to care as a teacher.

That doesn't disqualify her for life. It does disqualify her from teaching.

She can still work retail or something. Or apply for a different job. Being fired isn't the end of things, neither is being imprisoned.

She's a free thinking American, right? Someone's bound to want to hire her. There's a huge labour shortage in the US anyways.

[iBeowulf]

Yeah, you're right, let's just get her fired from a glorified daycare for biological warfare and her resume goes to the firing squad. Good thinking!

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

You know 99.9% survive covid right? 🤣😂🤣😂

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

Also, what is the evidence that this had a serious impact on anyone?

Most kids don't even have symptoms, let alone become seriously ill.

Positive tests aren't evidence that the disease impacted their lives.

[iBeowulf]

It made the news so it's the titanic all over again. This is what happens when we have a Selective Service immune, Affirmative Action enabled, Democrat communist loving, female voting majority for a century. Everything becomes an episode of Gossip Girl.

[NicoletteXO]

Covid is not a risky illness for children. We need to stop the fear mongering. Yes, older people and those with comorbidities need to protect themselves because it's riskier for them. But FFS just let the rest of society get on with their lives. In fact, those kids might be better off because they'll develop natural antibodies.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I have 0 problem if you want to risk yourself. I also have no problem if you want to suck on the tail end of an exhaust pipe either.

Your argument is the same as saying we shouldn't put gets in seat belts because maybe if they do get in an accident they can just come back stronger.

Do you all listen to yourselves at times?

[NicoletteXO]

@Ez-Bri-Z Seems you have difficulty comprehending that someone can have a different perspective to yours. I stand by my perspective.

And please stop with the false equivalencies and over exaggeration.

"Your argument is the same as saying we shouldn't put gets in seat belts because maybe if they do get in an accident they can just come back stronger." Not remotely. This is a patently false statement.

Children who are in car accidents are at significant risk of serious injury or death, and wearing a seat belt does not pose a risk to ones health. However, children who are exposed to Covid are not at significant risk of serious injury or death. In fact, children are much more at risk from influenza. Yet nobody has ever been in utter hysteria over kids catching a flu - yet, suddenly we are up in arms about Covid. Remember we are specifically talking about the risk to children in this situation. So if and when you respond, don't go quoting studies that are irrelevant to children's risk.

Now. Should a teacher who feels unwell stay home? YES. This is a general matter of hygiene which should apply regardless of if she has a cold, a flu, Covid or whatever. The hysteria over Covid in this situation is unwarranted.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Kids and parents over the last year were kept out of school and workplaces for the most part. We now have a more contagious variant and we are seeing stories like this where this is all fully preventable with good hygiene, social distancing, and things like masks and the vaccine helping, but instead in our race to the bottom in brilliant ideas, we have people like yourself saying "no its cool, let them get it."

This isn't a hysteria when you clearly see situations like this with people being lackadaisical in their approach. The seat belt is there to help protect against death just like all the measures we have been trying to take to prevent further spread of the outbreaks. Instead of taking those efforts seriously, we have people whining about not getting vaccines over opinions easily factchecked and others who say "nah, stop freaking out". It has ONLY been as bad as it is because some of us took this more seriously than you are. It could have been a hell of a lot worse and it still very well could be with business rushing to get back to the office.

[NicoletteXO]

@Ez-Bri-Z Cool story honey. Show me some statistics from a reputable source that clearly indicate young children are dying from Covid (any variant) at a higher rate than influenza. If you can't, it's hysteria.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

No it isn't and this goes right back to the seat belt argument again, but here, straight from the cdc.

Flu seasons vary in severity, however every year children are at risk

CDC estimates that from the 2010-2011 season to the 2019-2020 season, flu-related hospitalizations among children younger than 5 years old have ranged from 7,000 to 26,000 in the United States.

While relatively rare, some children die from flu each year. From the 2004-2005 season to the 2019-2020 season, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons have ranged from 37 to 199 deaths. (During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, 358 pediatric flu-related deaths were reported to CDC from April 2009 to September 2010.) It is noteworthy that among reported pediatric deaths, about 80% of those children were not fully vaccinated.

Notes from cdc because they have everything in charts and not a handy blurb like above:

We have lost 400 children in the last year to covid and this was with them mostly being at home from both schools/day cares. Now they are getting back out into society, the same as us. Their numbers are going to go up as well. So I'd say that 2 - 10 times more deadly than the flu in a typical year is just a bit more powerful, dont you think?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Children's charts:

data.cdc.gov/.../9bhg-hcku

Flu numbers:

www.cdc.gov/.../children.htm

[NicoletteXO]

@Ez-Bri-Z Well, firstly thank you for this :) . Honestly, I didn't think you would bother.

However, unfortunately these stats don't back up your point.

You conveniently omitted the last part: "CDC has developed statistical models that account for the underreporting of flu-related deaths in children to estimate the actual number of deaths. During 2019-2020, for example, 199 deaths in children were reported to CDC but statistical modeling suggests approximately 434 deaths may have occurred.".

So approx 434 flu deaths in young children.

Then with the link to your stats, note that the 400 Covid deaths are from "children" 1-17 years old. This is a somewhat different demographic to the "young children" sample above. Unfortunately the exact ages of what counts as "young children" is not provided, so we can't do a perfectly accurate comparison. However, I'm going to be super generous and say all children from 1-14 count as young children. Even then, according to the link you've provided, only 188 Covid deaths in total.

So... flu 434, Covid 188. Even on an overly generous reading.

So, these stats actually prove my point.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Np! I love debate and I have 0 problem doing the research which is why I included the links to what I am referring to.

That being said, I'm gonna just say that models aren't accurate. It is just a pretty good guess. We also know that covid numbers were underreported as well.

Now to help your case a bit because I'm more interested in facts than I am in being right. The site actually does mention what they consider young children. They list it as less than 5 years old. Those numbers show at 50 deaths (which in my opinion is still way too much for something that can be prevented with precautions, but I digress here).

I would also point out that says of the flu deaths 80% were not vaxxed. I would also say those numbers also reflect times when we were out in public more often. I am SUPER curious as to what those flu deaths look like during lockdown.

I'm not so eager to see what those covid deaths are going to be now that people are turning to work/school. I just have a bad fear we are going to see the number go up

[bubbles328]

I give up 🤣 as an early years teacher it is so hard to stick to regulations and you just get used to being sick you solider through. You don’t know what consequences she would’ve had if she didn’t go either.
“She should be vaccinated to protect the kids” 😂😂 catching it is the best way for kids to get immunity and she should be vaccinated to protect herself

[HerFollower]

Being a school teacher and being that she would be exposed and exposing to young children, she should have been vaccinated. And with the issue that even those who have been vaccinated can still contract the Delta Variant and infect other people when they don't wear a mask, she definitely should have done both.

But being that she didn't do either, and infected so damn many young children while knowing she was infected or at least symptomatic, she should be fired and prosecuted.

[Ryfyle]

How many kids do you see dropping dead from the common cold?

[HerFollower]

@Ryfyle Not Nearly As Many that are from the COVID-19.

[Ryfyle]

Got some numbers to prove that? Oh that's right, they can straight up make up numbers to support their narrative. How does it feel to gleefully ride Big Pharma Cock?

time.com/.../
www.npr.org/.../the-majority-of-children-who-die-from-covid-19-are-children-of-color
www.who.int/.../coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools

[420Rachel]

She's a dumbass. She shouldn't have even gone to work if she was having symptoms! And then she takes off her mask? The sheer stupidity of this woman. 🙄 My dad is a doctor and he says the Covid ward is FULL of people on ventilators. I asked him if anyone survives and he says they rarely do once they're on the ventilator. If you even THINK you may have Covid, go get tested and stay the fuck home.

[TommyMountainFigure]

This has all gotten to be FAR too political now in the US. People should stop linking Democrats with being pro vaccine/ mask and Republicans being anti..

Bottom line here.. Take it or don't take it. This virus will kill millions more before it is through so just take the bloody thing seriously and treat everyone's view with respect whilst keeping as safe as possible.

That's my view anyway.

[Ms_Vanderquack]

Obviously, but it's too late for that. Now she should face criminal charges. The same way someone who intentionally spreads HIV does.

[Ms_Vanderquack]

@FreshOutaIdeas LMAO 🤣 it's always nice with people openly admit just how fucking stupid they are. Takes the guess work out of things.

[Ms_Vanderquack]

@Lost_in_the_Woods Defending someone else’s toxic behavior by saying it’s not as bad as it could have been doesn’t make that person better, it just makes you worse. Please stop posting stupid shit, it doesn’t help anything at all.

[Avicenna]

LOL, the article states this classroom was in very leftist Marin County (voted 82% for Butcher Biden), so it was almost certainly a Democrat who did this.

I think adequate punishment would be for the teacher to have to teach virtually for the entire school year, including taking some colleagues' students if necessary.

[Adam1978]

First of all, focus on getting a good health system in your country so people stay home when they are sick. And there is no vaccination against all diseases so it's just a risk you take living in a society. It's your responsibility to protect your own health. Government should only recommend not enforce behavior.

[007kingifrit]

our health system is superior to any other. quality is the only measure of healthcare not "accessibility" or such nonsense

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

A vaccine isn't free, it's coming from public funds because those who invented it are selling it and it has to be stored in freezers administered by practitioners, so the use of the word free is wrong. Also blaming one teacher is seemingly better than blaming a class of children or the school for poor hygiene. I get that you have an issue with anti-vaxxers but don't drop your own intelligence when it suits you, it makes you come across manipulate.

[BlacklightShade]

Here's what's wrong with you:
- Victim blaming children
- Thinking it's better to save the government money on vaccines then to use one
- Thinking the cost of a vaccine is greater than the cost of hospitalization, medicine, time off work
- Thinking it's ok to spread a deadly disease to children
- Thinking avoiding a mask or a vaccine is proper hygiene
- Thinking coming to school with COVID symptoms is proper hygiene

How much mental gymnastics do you have to live with everyday?

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

😂 now you're making a lot of presumptious comments. The problem I see now is how unreasonable you because you turn on someone who called you out. I'd have to agree with everything thing you say to get on with you, that would drive someone nuts 🤣

[BlacklightShade]

No, to get on with me someone would have to be a decent and mildly intelligent person.

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

oh so you don't get on with the super smart, oh

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

Decent is having a free mind and one isn't manipulated by FREE stuff. When you decided to get that vaccine you are now here trying to convince others like a Mormon lmao

[iBeowulf]

SlushPuppy droppin bombs!

[Anonymous]

Stop responding to appeals to your emotions from your television.

Use your brains for once, perhaps for the first time in your lives.

Your freedoms are being taken from you more and more every day, covid is just the latest tool / weapon being used against you.

[Espresso-Grande]

If she went to work knowing she had covid or even suspected she did, she should be fired.

If I was in power, I'd send her to prison. Covid can just be mild for some people, but in others, it can be their death knell

[plinker]

No. Not only because of freedom but because the vaccine is killing more than the virus. The varient started from the vaccine. About 86% of the people with the varient got the vaccine. This is a virus, name 2 viruses that they've cured. Also, this is covid 20 then, right? I don't believe that story at all.

[mrkdvsn]

YES... well said

[TallAnon]

26 students who likely infected family and others, easily spreading to at least 50 people and perhaps indirectly killed a few. I would call it negligence and would send give him an official warning, mandatory training of safety precautions and a month of unpaid leave.