Should men be included in jail time for abortion?

[MzAsh]

Yes

No

[ObscuredBeyond]

If he put a gun to her head and said the baby must die, because he doesn't want to be a dad, then I say give him the chain gang and the pink pants. May the images of his dead child be required viewing, plastered all over his cell, so he is never far from being reminded of what he did. May he be forced at gunpoint to listen to radio casts with themes about scared and abandoned children. Then made to ask if he believes the beyond will abandon him after the switch is flipped. If he never once breaks down, quintuple the voltage when the switch is flipped, and use a dry sponge.

He'll have to reconcile on his own what to do about the demon babies gnawing at his ghost legs for eternity, calling him "dada" between bites.

[t-8900]

If the man was not willing to take care of his own child, if he was insisting on the abortion, yes. But if he opposed the abortion and wanted the child than obviously not as at that point there's more than enough reason to keep the child alive. If either parent is willing to step up that child should be born without question. But I'll take it a step further and say abortion needs to be illegal in all cases except rape and risk of death to the woman. With 13 methods of birth control on the market and common sense there's no reason it should ever get to this point.

[help_me_getaboy]

They are technically an accomplice right? Unless the woman has used a sperm donor or something else to get herself pregnant the man who was a part of making the baby should also get charged I guess 🤷‍♀️ I do think that if it was against the man's will there should be acceptions and stuff. But overall, yes they should also get jail time for being an accessory to the crime, I'm trying to be as objective as possible. Don't forget it takes two to tango. 😅

[cryscrys1]

Wtf girl relax your tits.
At this point male species will suicide worldwide
We are suffocating them so much to the point that I feel bad to have a SON a sonshine because bitches are blocking their shine.
Isn’t it a women body and her choice? Leave it at that it’s HER choice then. If a man won’t her to get an abort soon and she doesn’t won’t too well she can keep it.

[cryscrys1]

Abortion *

[OlderAndWiser]

This question needs a bit of an explanation.

[FR_Ruby]

I believe it's in the context in which we are presuming women are given jail time for abortion.

[FR_Ruby]

@OlderAndWiser Imagine you live in Texas where women can get sued for having an abortion. Should the man get sued too in this context?

[FatherKnowsBest]

@FR_Ruby Yes, if you can find him.

[OlderAndWiser]

@FatherKnowsBest Why should the man be responsible for the actions of the woman? If a man murders someone, does his wife go to jail if she played no role in his actions? If a woman has a DUI, does her boyfriend go to jail if he was not the one who got her drunk and he didn't encourage her to drive?

Sending someone to prison is a punishment for their behavior. Tell me what the guy did that deserves punishment?

[FatherKnowsBest]

I was referring to a guy who leaves a girl high and dry after getting her pregnant. If she were to get an abortion because of this unwanted pregnancy and then got jailed for it, then he was complicit by leaving her with no choice. We leave these decisions up to the women who have no support, then blame them for getting pregnant while the guy goes free.
In Texas now any person who aids and abets a woman with an abortion can get jailed! How crazy is that?

[FR_Ruby]

@OlderAndWiser Why is it okay for the guy to have sex with a woman that didn't want to have his child? Shouldn't he have picked his kid a better mom?
Also @OlderAndWiser Do you think the woman should be sued and go to jail for an abortion?

[FR_Ruby]

btw- I understand that the guy could be innocent, but he can't always be innocent.

[OlderAndWiser]

@FR_Ruby

"I was referring to a guy who leaves a girl high and dry after getting her pregnant. . . . he was complicit by leaving her with no choice." If you get in an argument with your girlfriend at a party and you leave with a friend, then she tries to drive home and gets arrested for DUI, is it your fault because you left her "no choice?" Or did she have a choice of calling Uber/Lyft/etc. or getting a ride with a friend.

In the context of abortion, do you know how many prolife social service agencies will help a girl through pregnancy and to place her child for adoption if she does not want to keep the baby? Saying that she has no choice ignores the reality. I googled "prolife pregnancy help" for my hometown and quickly (within 5 seconds) found

http://www.jacksonvilleforlife.org/
https://whcjax.com/
https://holyfamilyjax.com/respect-life

Of course, there are adoption centers that will also offer assistance to single moms, and we should never forget the resource of the mother's family, and even the father's family. Most paternal grandparents are not as cavalier and callous as their sons have been.

"We leave these decisions up to the women who have no support, then blame them for getting pregnant while the guy goes free." Responsibility for pregnancy rests with both participants, but pregnancy does not automatically force a woman to get an abortion.

"In Texas now any person who aids and abets a woman with an abortion can get jailed!" Anyone who assists another person in committing a crime - any crime - can be charged with aiding and abetting in the commission of the crime. That has always been the law.

[OlderAndWiser]

@FR_Ruby "Why is it okay for the guy to have sex with a woman that didn't want to have his child? Shouldn't he have picked his kid a better mom?" Obviously, in most cases, the guy did not think that se would lead to pregnancy, or did not stop to contemplate the possibility. Young people always think that the occasional unfortunate consequences of behavior always happen to OTHER people.

"Also @OlderAndWiser Do you think the woman should be sued and go to jail for an abortion?" If having an abortion is illegal, what sanction would you put in place to motivate compliance with the law?

[FR_Ruby]

@OlderAndWiser lol, so it's okay for the guy to go around having sex even if a baby is a completely undesired outcome? But not if a girl messes up? I think the guy should at least be penalized to some similar degree so it's not just the girl who could suffer consequences from irresponsible sex.

"the guy did not think that se would lead to pregnancy" I don't give a fl*ff if the guy didn't imagine he would be the 'victim' of having an accidental baby, that's irresponsible. He could still be sued for negligence in the situation, (leaving a baby with someone that might wanna abort it).

You didn't answer the question by the way, so lemme rephrase: Let's say you live not in Texas, but somewhere else where most abortions are legal: Do you think abortion should be made illegal and that Women should be penalized for having an abortion?

[OlderAndWiser]

@FR_Ruby

"so it's okay for the guy to go around having sex even if a baby is a completely undesired outcome?" No, I never said that whatsoever. The paternity laws of my state make the father responsible for half of the medical expenses of pregnancy and for child support from the moment of birth.

"the guy did not think that se would lead to pregnancy" I never said that excuses his behavior. As for suing him for negligence. . . aside from how horribly this would clog the court system, suppose you sue the guy and you get a paper that says he owes the mother $100,000. Now what? If he has no assets that are subject to levy and execution, then it's just a piece of paper.

"You didn't answer the question by the way, so lemme rephrase: Let's say you live not in Texas, but somewhere else where most abortions are legal: Do you think abortion should be made illegal and that Women should be penalized for having an abortion?" Yes, I am opposed to abortion as a method of birth control for those who those who would kill an unborn child rather than being inconvenienced by an unwanted pregnancy.

[FR_Ruby]

I just think that it's lame for a guy to suddenly worry about "clogging the court system" when it comes to penalizing the father but not the mother. I also think that if you're so worried about the "unborn child" then you should be okay with penalizing the father as well to incentivize him to worry about it. If you're more worried about clogging up the courts that the unborn child having an irresponsible dad then why make abortion illegal? Seems like you barely care about the kid. Maybe we could encourage both the guy and the girl to talk about the possibility before having sex, instead of just leaving the woman to worry about it (assuming we care about the unborn baby ofc). The point of laws is to encourage people to make the right decisions, not to worry about how to punish people.

[OlderAndWiser]

@FR_Ruby Now it seems that you simply want to misrepresent what I have said so that you can demonize me. You have lost my respect and I have no desire to discuss this further with you. I COULD respond to the points that you have made, but you will simply continue to twist my words to mean something that I never said. Goodbye!

[lumberjack95]

We as a society need to take a step back from the focus on abortion and look at the real problem, which in my observation would be the frivolous open sex life with no concept of the repercussions and potential outcome of living a life in such a manner. Now punishment should be equal because it does take two at least to form a pregnancy, but abortion is an escape goat from the consequences from being loose. If people just held off until they were ready to take care for an additional life, a byproduct of two sharing love creating a living embodiment of their love, then abortion wouldn't be considered an issue nor would we be trying to defend or condemn it.

[Bluemax]

I voted no because I don't think *anyone*, men or women, should serve jail time for an abortion.

I am pro choice. However I would also say that most pro choice arguments are poorly thought out. To me, the *only* argument for pro choice is that the mother is sentient but the fetus is not, up to a certain time.

More on that later (or not) but for now I must eat.

[humanearth]

I am not on the left and right side of politics. As a matter fact I hate both sides.

But for me I think no one should go to jail over abortions. It their body their choice.

Why does the goverment have to control someones body. USA is sounding more and more like a symbol of a new communist dictatorship is coming into power.

What happened to the freedom of choice and freewill

If ita not about abortions, its about getting the big shot, wall or no wall or some other bullshit to keep us distracted from whats really going on.

Something big is coming, I can feel it in the air and with a the distractions lately.

Its going to be nasty

[libsaretards]

If they do not try to stop it then yes. If he makes no effort to take the child on in the event of its birth then yes he is responsible Men are responsible for a child just like a woman. However, if he has done all he can to try to stop the abortion, then the responsibility falls on the woman. Ultimately, he cannot lay a hand on her so the fault lies more with her than him. I am 100% against abortion. Being anti-abortion is about the safety of an innocent life that cannot speak or fight for itself, NOT ABOUT CONTROLLING WOMEN like the idiot extremist liberals would have you think.

[BeenThereLovedIt]

I'm all about jailing men who try to tell women whether or not they can have an abortion.

[MzAsh]

Now there’s an idea

[BeenThereLovedIt]

What a lot of guys don't consider is when the lunatics come for them.. declaring masturbation illegal, killing viable sperm is a capitol offense, and everyone is now enabled to turn them in for it.

Dystopian future is almost a guarantee in the USA. Many claim it's already here.

And people wonder why nobody wants kids and the suicide rates are so high. Who wants to live in an Orwellian nightmare?

[Dragonpurple]

If you mean, he makes her get an abortion then yeah. If she chooses to get one, being that it is her choice... and its illegal, then why should he?

Putting someone in jail who didn't have a say in the actual crime would be unconstitutional, now if you can tie it to him. That he was in on it and all for it, and helped her do it, paid for it, etc... then yeah he should get it with her.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Abortion shouldn't be considered a crime. Much less worth jail time.

[pjf1958]

Yes, if he is responsible for coercing her into having an abortion, when she clearly wants the child, then it's obvious that his selfish demeanor is just as responsible for the destruction of the child as well as endangering the woman. Our society must begin to hold men accountable for their childish, and selfish behavior.

[Valkyrie123]

A) Assuming abortion is illegal and both the man and woman thought the abortion was for the best
Yes, both should serve jail time
B) Assuming abortion is illegal and only the woman thought the abortion was for the best
No, only the woman should serve jail time. HOWEVER, the man should be expected to provide financial support, or perhaps a certain amount of community service, or any other form of punishment that gets across that just because he doesn't carry the baby doesn't make him responsible

[FatherKnowsBest]

This is an ambiguous question.
Which men are you suggesting go to jail?
What are they being charged with?

I know who should be held liable for an unwanted pregnancy: It's the man who got her pregnant, then left her high and dry.
Be specific about whom you suggest should be incarcerated.

[casenpoint]

How many times have they aborted? What were the circumstances of those abortions? This question is too general. However I will say, as long as there is a foster system, I will not be agains abortion. Has nothing to do with money. Look at foster children statistics with jail, drugs, education etc. look who’s paying for all that… you. Now magnify that by a million

[FoghornLeghorn99]

If he is the doctor performing the abortion.


What pro abortion nuts fall to talk about is abortion is a billionion dollar industry. Old white men are getting rich off off it.

If women would practice what they preach and actually take control of their reproductive system they would not get pregnant... no need forabortion. Problem solved.

[chocolatesprinkIes]

It takes two to make a baby. Birth control isn’t always affective. Rape is a thing. Stop blaming pregnancy on women when men are just as equal to blame.

[chocolatesprinkIes]

Men are the first people to parade around how women need them to get pregnant and how useful y’all are in making a baby but when situations like this rise y’all always back down and blame the women for pregnancy. Lmao bunch of hypocrites.

[casenpoint]

Old white men get rich off abortion? Hmm. Do your research on the foster system and stats involving fostered kids that age out of the system… then tell me if that’s better. People are not only getting rich off of it, they are able to use it for “political” reasons

[FoghornLeghorn99]

First, quit blaming men if a woman is not fully in control of her body.

In cases of rape the women should head straight to the ER to get the plan B pill.

At the ER a rape kit will be taken. Any DNA of the rapist left behind can be use to convict and get the rapist off the streets so he can't rape again.

Keep trying.

I have yet heard a logical argument for abortion on demand.

Abortion on demand is not healthcare. It is birth control

Abortion on demand is not the same as abortion to save the mothers life.

[FoghornLeghorn99]

@casenpoint If a mother initially can afford a kitchen suddenly falls on hard economic times, then what?

Many families faced that situation with Covid. Millions lost their jobs. Should those kids be killed off do to the mothers turn of fortune?

You point is just another piece of pretzel logic.

[Pyrofox]

@chocolatesprinkIes Ultimately though its a woman choice to get pregnant. And its her choice whether or not to tell the baby daddy its his.

[chocolatesprinkIes]

And how does a woman get pregnant?

[FoghornLeghorn99]

@Chocolatesprinkles What don't you comprehend?

Unless a woman is raped, she closes to let a male stick in her and get pregnant.

The woman can choose not to get pregnant. Problem solved.
.

[FoghornLeghorn99]

@iBeowulf Exactly!!!

She is a petulant chid!!!

[casenpoint]

@foghornleghorn99

Your logic is a hypothetical and general statement. You say pretzel logic, yet you twist my words to make it sound like a mother should off her kid if she falls on hard times.

[FoghornLeghorn99]

@casenpoint You used the example of a fostering turning 18 and falling out of the safety net.

My example pointed out a faimily/ kids can fall out of the net at anytime after birth.

How about a kid who was born into a stable family and loses his parents in a car accident?

Your pretzel logic can be used to justify anything.

[casenpoint]

@foghornleghorn99

I used statistical, proven data. You use hypotheticals. Again, hypotheticals, are your “pretzel logic” lol.

[casenpoint]

@foghornleghorn99

The fact that you call the foster system a “safety net”, speaks to your intelligence level. Its asinine.

You used an example if a child loses parents in a car wreck… odds are extremely high, that child has family to go to after. Again, all your hypothetical questions is a directly attributed to your “pretzel logic”. The contradictions that you produce with your own statements are almost comical

[Pyrofox]

@casenpoint Thats assuming the extended family is still going to want that child.

[casenpoint]

@Pyrofox

Again, a hypothetical.

[FoghornLeghorn99]

@casenpoint One again you fail to make your point and act like a petulant child and call me asinine.

Try making a cogent argument.

[casenpoint]

@foghornleghorn99

Again, you change the initial argument, call me a child because of your own contradictions. I came with facts proof and knowledge, you came with hypotheticals, feelings and emotions. And obviously, you are worked up

[FoghornLeghorn99]

@casenpoint What facts?

[Floppy2112]

In the hypothetical situation, where a woman, doctor or any other assistent could go to prison for abortion, than it depends on the man's culpability in the act. If he was pursuing the abortion against the wishes of the mate, he is more culpable. If he had no idea she was pregnant and she got an abortion he has no culpability. Like everything else it would be a sliding scale. But, yes, men should be included depending on their level of culpability in the act.

[michol123]

Only if the man is aware of the pregnancy and on board with the abortion. if the man doesn’t want the woman to get the abortion but supports her decision because he loves her then his punishment should be less


That being said this whole law is absolutely idiotic

[iBeowulf]

Men have no say in abortion but you want to punish them for women's actions? Fucking classic woman logic. I hope you're childless and single.

[MzAsh]

What did I even say? Lol

[CharlieWood]

Where are they putting people in jail for abortion? My answer would be yes, if the woman is jailed for making up her own mind and her “man” is pissed too and they have filed a lawsuit for wrongful arrest. If it were a rape situation, then HE should go to jail and SHE should still sue for wrongful arrest. The rest of the world should mind their own business.

[ThatNoUVAtYourEyes]

You mean conceiving when you didn't intend to have a child/raise it?
I have only started cuming inside last year, when i was certain I wanted one. In that context, the punishment for men as well - yeah, I'd support it no troubles. There is zero need to play with _any_ of creation of life so willy nilly/for entertainment or for the kicks
I'd argue doing so for the kicks qualifies you as murderer (let's say of your significant other later in life, for money, as is typical)

[FR_Ruby]

If the woman does not want to have the man's child then that man should not be having sex with that woman.

[FR_Ruby]

& Maybe the men will be encouraged to rethink the law if they're at risk too.

[FR_Ruby]

If a guy Leaves his kid at some woman's house that is at least irresponsible parenting.

[FR_Ruby]

Hey "OlderandWiser", BTW- your answer to the original question: "Should men be included in jail time for abortion?" was "No." but you were more interested in bashing the question by saying "This question needs a bit of an explanation" cuz you were more worried about getting likes than answering the question. I wasn't here to respect you, My whole purpose here from the start was to point out how flawed your logic was. Cya, won't miss talking to ya.

[Kingofkings1992]

Nonsensical question. Men have no decision in the matter, so why would we do jail time? You ask this question making it seem women are doing jail time for abortion, which is not the case. Abortion is a choice, not a crime. Again, a choice that men have very little say in. In summary, this question is pure gibberish through and through.