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They need to keep it on permanently and have FBI agents do real work for a change and go shut down abortion clinics
I wish more people knew the real reasons why Democrats support Abortion so much. It’s sickening. 🤮
Thanks for the 2 thumbs down uneducated leftists.
Liberals hat big business.
They seem to overlook the fact that the abortion industry is a billion dollar a year business.
There are a bunch of old, white, wealthy doctors who make millions off off women who are incapable of exercising control over their reproductive system.
*hate big business
Damn, California became too crazy and everyone moved to Texas. Now where is everyone supposed to go? I feel bad for the sane former-Californians.
I'm glad I don't live in Texas. It's nice where I am in NY
I don’t like it but we’ll see what the Supreme Court says
Many Constitutional experts say Roe v. Wade was decided incorrectly.
@BillyBalls I disagree and so do many experts but okay
as much as i don't care strongly about abortion it is an undeniable fact roe v wade was decided on completely made up grounds
@007kingifrit I totally disagree
@gwenhwyfar and where in the constitution was the basis for the ruling?
@007kingifrit Ninth Amendment. And others.
@gwenhwyfar So using your logic based on the 9th AND 10th amendment, States would be within the Constitution to outlaw abortion within its boundaries.
such a short vague comment tells me you don't really know what you're talking about. the 9th amendment is not an excuse to just make anything you want into a right
@BillyBalls the Supreme Court has historically favored the Ninth Amendment as well as the due process and equal protection amendments and disfavored the Tenth Amendment
@007kingifrit actually it is
In combination with the Fifth and Fourteenth
What does "due process" have to do with abortion?
@BillyBalls everything
Substantive due process includes the right to privacy and body autonomy
@gwenhwyfar Please enlighten us how
@BillyBalls I just did
Question: why do so many guys even care so much about this issue? You’re not the ones getting the abortion. It’s not your baby. More and more I’m starting to think my friend might be right and only women of childbearing age should get a vote on abortion and birth control issues.
And the actual fathers, of course. But not just some random guys.
Of course this would be in an ideal world. Our current Constitution is not set up this way. But more and more I’m thinking this sounds like a good idea.
And while guys who father a child should have some input, the ultimate choice would definitely be the woman’s cause she’s the one carrying the child for nine months.
Gwen understand something…
Man want baby…
Women does too = both happy
Women don’t = man has no say while his child is killed… and he might not be able to have kids easily
Man don’t want baby…
Women don’t either = both good abort
Women do = man has no say but had to pay child support…
It’s not equal. That’s why men need a say. Also similar issue if your being beaten should I stop and help or at least call the cops? But it’s not My body.
Such a weak argument.
@gwenhwyfar children are the soldiers, workers, and taxpayers of the future. the more abortions you have the less money there is for my retirement. the less soldiers there are for my defences. your actions affect me. you think abortion only affects women because you are small minded and can't see the big picture
@007kingifrit that’s crazy. I disagree with @VanillaSalt but at least he makes sense from a guy’s perspective.
everything i said makes sense. you just can't handle it
Gwen 007 is right. Every abortion is a lost tax payer. Japan is dealing with this issue… so most tax payers are 18+ it takes 18 years to start collecting taxes. 30% of men 29 and younger are virgins… assume these people go 30 years before having a kid. +18 to collect taxes… means a tax base is 48 years before taxes can be collected. In japan’s case most men and women didn’t have kids so they have a lot of older people not working retired and very few young tax payers. The government not going to be able to fund retirement.
That affects us all. And then on top of that the quality of women because every when wants to be ran through because abortions an option. I demand child support be ended if abortion exists. If women can say fuck the children why can’t men?
@VanillaSalt I don’t care about any of that stuff. Women with children need support from the child’s father.
Who cares? Why is it you only care about the women? Abortion is fuck the kids and Duck the men’s opinion. Meanwhile if she wants them it’s still duck the men.
@gwenhwyfar if you "need" something that doesn't mean it has to be provided to you. life isn't fair
If you need something from someone to pay your monthly Dodge Charger perhaps you should get the Honda accord instead.
You don’t need something you can’t affod… but I’ll tell you what you want the right I don’t think you have the right so I’ll meet you half way. Give every weekend 1 get out of jail free abortion that comes with mandatory sterilization.
@VanillaSalt Omg 😂😂😂. You guys are crazy. And serious! Thank god our legislature and our courts don’t feel the same way you do. What you want will never be law. The current laws will stay the same and maybe get even stronger with respect to child support (tbh abortion is an open question but I trust the Court to respect the principle of stare decisis).
Texas is pretty hard on abortion I’m hopeful as well. Either way I’m 100% happy. Either you can’t or we’ll persuade you not to.
You know what’s really funny. You and I agree on many of the same things. Women SHOULD have the right to abortion and men SHOULD pay their kids ways regardless and in a perfect world it would be that way… but just as you believe you have the right to abort I believe the father has rights to his child. So who’s right? If we cannot decide then a compromise has to be made and if your not willing to compromise then we get where I’m at… we war for what we believe and somebody just gets screwed.
I’m curious what you think about indirect consequences. Let’s say someone drinks and drives and hits your friend or family member… are you okay with telling people they can’t drink while driving? I am. Do you think free and unrestricted abortion does not negatively effect women and the way they think about the consequence of open and unprotected promiscuity? We have limitations on everything that negatively effects us. Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms has age requirements and even its own branch of government enforcement… meanwhile abortion is women’s right and ANY limitations are unacceptable. Underage girls don’t need parental permission, the 48 or 72 hr wait isn't acceptable, unlimited abortions that you don’t even have to pay for I as a tax payer do. Women tend to be emotional in decision making and only positively when it benefits them but negatively when it’s a challenge to their desires and beliefs.
Also wanna know something. Could you afford to fund $1500 into your unwanted child per month and still pay your bills? Should this in anyway effect the decision as to what you are responsible for in regards to your child?
@VanillaSalt you argue intelligently but I’m tired. Some other time.
Personally I don’t like women who use abortion as bc but that is their right.
@gwenhwyfar Ide very much like an answer to my 2 questions. I’m curious what you think of the examples I provided and reasoning.
The issues we seem to have is YOU think it’s a right for women to abort.
I think it’s killing a baby.
We both agree women have the right to abort under the right circumstances and we both agree killing babies is bad. So then while we’re sitting here agreeing with the bigger picture but disagreeing with the specifics, it’s all okay when your winning. But what happens when your losing? Red wave coming and their the ones that tend to push anti abortion so what happens when abortions illegal? We can either jump around depending on who’s in charge or… let’s compromise. Abortion. With limitations fixes my arguments for the most part while promoting women’s right to their body overall. Rarely are the extremes well received regardless which side of the line they stand. Why can’t we toe the line and get along?
I firmly believe that abortion is the leading reason of promiscuity in women and that controlling it will promote safer sex practices, better home environments, a better dating scene, and better accountability in the long run for men and women. There need to be consequences for our choices both good and bad. If you choose to fuck that hot guy and the condom breaks the consequence is 18 years of hard work to make it right and abortion is your way of avoiding that responsibility. In my eyes are avoidance is killing a child. Ripping them apart slowly literally ripping their arms and legs and head off. If I were to do this to a 12 year old would you feel differently? Well I decided I don’t want him/her anymore so let’s just rip them into pieces and put the parts into liquid filled jars for research.
The fact you probably wouldn’t do this to the 12 yr old means abortion shouldn’t just be labeled as a right but instead a choice and real discussion needs to be made to moderate it in a way that women who need it arnt unable to access it but those that would abuse it are stopped. Hell Ide go a step further and make birth control illegal. Sex belongs in a committed relationship and means something but that’s a different issue.
@VanillaSalt I disagree totally with your underlying premise. Women should have the right to hook up without consequence if they want to (though they should be careful).
So all the benefit none of the responsibility?
@VanillaSalt yes.
Then perhaps women should pay for it out of their own pockets without the option of tax payer funded abortion. Or is that too far? I have to pay for what I don’t agree with so you can get your rocks off?
And since you killed my child perhaps I, as the father, should be allowed to sue you for my lost child?
I as the male part have to take responsibility if she keeps it in child support but you as the woman don’t have to keep it.
@VanillaSalt exactly
Child support is in the best interests of the child and abortion is about the woman’s bodily autonomy
Then when is the man’s interests a priority?
@VanillaSalt he has the right not to fuck her without a condom
Also you realize the hypocrisy of your comment right? Child support ain’t he best interest while defending abortion lol. And when the man and woman’s interests collide men’s interests are completely ignored.
And if the condom broke? What if she lied about the pill? Which happens a lot.
@VanillaSalt use a condom or cum on her boobs. The Serpico case says he still has to pay child support even if she lied. And that guy was a star!
So what your saying is fuck men in regards to sex, children, finance, and law.
There is no discussion to have here. You are selfish and should be ashamed but I know women like you don’t have shame only pride and ego. You’ll get no sympathy or support from me when republicans finally ban abortion. This just solidifies my beliefs abortion should be regulated heavily at the very least.
@VanillaSalt only some states will ban it. Luckily not mine.
It's a more objective standard than previous standards. Not beneficial for many women most likely to get abortion tho
Finally some good news for a change. No one should ever have been given the "right" to kill their child in the first place.
i dont think anything about it. if you live in a dog shit state like texas you've already fucked yourself over.
They did that to a Missouri law a year ago they are still not at all enforcing to date
It’s hypocritical for the same people that want a smaller government to have that same government interfering in individual choices
Would that include vaccine mandates?
Seems the left wants to pick and choose what areas the government wants to control the individual.
In the case of abortion, an individual always dies.
Democrats aren’t the ones complaining about the government interfering but yeah hat would include vaccine mandate
Yet Democrat yell about government control when it comes to limiting abortion.
You even alluded to it.
Yeah that’s one thing, republicans say fuck the government on everything and I gotta say I agree with that
@BillyBalls Pregnancy isn't contagious
@progboy And?
@BillyBalls And you're not comparing like with like
Yeah the GOP wants smaller government - small enough to fit in your bedroom.
That's fine. I think abortion is immoral but I think that was the wrong way to go about addressing how to stop it.
I think it’s a little dumb
Abortion will become obsolete after a few years, so this doesn't really bother or excite me.
It will? How?
@Silas_314 Artifical Wombs. It'll allow both sides to get what they want.
No dead babies, and no pregnancies. Of course, there's gonna be those people who want to keep the debate around for political reasons. But for people wanting a solution that'll help both sides, then Artificial Wombs are the answer.
The court hasn't even considered the motion yet. Don't get your panties in a bunch.
I’m just wondering what we’ll do with all dead fetuses in back alleys.
When have there been dead fetuses in back alleys?
@BillyBalls illegal abortions genius
@OddNymrod Prove it. Show me the videos
@BillyBalls www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709326/
If anything has a heartbeat it's alive. my opinion
That's simple biology but the left hates science when the facts get in the way.
Rodger that but they hate everything
I entirely agree with it.
Good, smart judiciary decision.
Abortions won't stop, they'll just become unsafe.
So how about not getting pregnant.
Oh wait!!!
Talking sense to a fool is a waste of time.
@BillyBalls how about giving women abortions?
Talking sense to a Christian is a waste of time
I am not a Christian.
So what is your point?
@BillyBalls then you're a filthy muslim
Guess again
@BillyBalls you're a liar, you're either a Christian or a Muslim
@John_Doesn't Seriously?
Does that mean abortions are legal again?
I don't know what to think about it