I know there is no injustice.
That's the bottom line. Those that spout this are either deceived, intellectually lazy or have an evil agenda.
They spout it as if employers are hiring a woman for the exact same job as a guy... they have the same education and experience as the guy... they get hired at the same time but employer just CHOOSE to pay the woman X... but the man X plus an additional 7,000 per year... just because he is a man.
The TRUTH is men and women are different. They don't go for all of the same jobs. Men and women naturally gravitate to different fields.
There are ton's of women daycare/childcare workers. I am not aware of any men doing that. There are tons of male doctors and surgeons. There are some women doctors and surgeons but not near as many men. There are a sheet load of female nurses. Mostly men start companies and want to work 70-80 hours a week and devote their lives to work and not balance it with time with family and kids. There are tons of male construction workers, oil rig workers, welders, electricians, pipe fitters, metal fabricators, plumbers, maintenance & repair specialists, HVAC techs, machine operators. I am not aware of hardly any women doing that. Tons of college professors, mathematicians, engineers (electrical, structural, aerospace, computer), computer designers and programmers.
Man are much more inclined to work overtime and put in extra hours to make more money.
Men and women don't pursue the SAME TYPE OF WORK overall therefore the salaries will vary. Men pursue the higher paying fields overall. Not every case but overall the averages work out towards men.
Men pursue jobs working with THINGS and women usually pursue jobs working with PEOPLE.
This is not an injustice... just the natural result of men and woman being different and pursuing different things.
Men take off less for children but rather are more willing to work extra hours to help pay for the wife who works less hours to stay with the kids during the early years and they are usually more blunt and confrontational with going after their employers seeking raises.
I wrote my bosses an email and sought out a meeting with them detailing my work and value and seeking a pay increase. Women are more likely to just accept what the employer gives and trust them to give raises and quietly grumble to themselves if they think they should get more.
NOT EVERY CASE... just overall more on average.
There is NO injustice... there is nothing to see here.
That's the problem with "statistics" they can often be rigged, change the conditions of the experiment and you can paint a different picture.
Women will say they get paid less overall but ignore the fact they don't work the same jobs.
They will say women who say they've been assaulted need to be believed but will ignore how that can be used maliciously against innocent men.
The only real thing about the world is a person's own personal experience and no one is willing to dig into that.
Ask any feminist: "are you being harassed at work for being a woman?" And her answer will be "no but that doesn't mean others aren't"
Guess what, the exception doesn't make the rule if out of 100 women only 5 are being harassed at work it doesn't mean that toxic masculinity still exists it means there are a handful of assholes working with these women.
And this works both ways. The only way this ends is by each side accepting that their own life is the only thing they can speak of without being controlled by someone else's agenda.
Wage gap exist but it is not sexist. It is also men's choice for "wasting" money in women. Nobody force men to give women money. HOWEVER, i think medical worker or people who work at hospital should get a better wage or better work conditions. Majority of the workers on medical field are women. I know people who are pressured or forced to work more hours than they should, otherwise patients may die due to lack of care. This is how sick it is. Many women who has jobs like this just want better working conditions. The hospitals dont hire more people to save money. Now you may say, women who complain about her job at hospital should not work there then. There are already many people who quit because of these shitty work conditions and have mental problems. Then dont complain when someone you love die or get denied treatment due to shortage of workers at medical fields since work conditions are bad and hospitals dont hire many people to save money. Not all feminists are bad and not feminist points are stupid
Yes, we do "have it easy". In my entire life I have never met a female coal miner, or demolitions expert. Being an electrician can be very dangerous too, and I've never met one of those who was female either. There is this thing called hazard pay, which I think those "feminists" need to acquaint themselves with.
The STEM fields are dominated by men, because men tend to be better at maths, and are actually interested in those things.
Yes, I said it. Men are better than women at maths. It's true, that's the reality. Men and women are fundamentally different!
Objective reality exists, men and women are different, there are only two genders. Boys like blue, girls like pink. Boys like cars, girls like dolls. Reality. It's immutable. Deal with it fembots.
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People still buy into this?
The simplest reason as to why it is not real is that if it were it is also illegal pretty much everywhere and rather easy to prosecute.
Outside of that the wage gap exists but not in the way it is portrayed to.
When accounting for the same work, hours, experience and alike most professions have ablut 1-2% differences. Some outliers exist.
What the typical wage gap does show isn't that men earn more than women for the same work but that men earn more than women.
This in turn can be useful. It can help us as a society tackle questions about it such as:
Do we want to encourage more women to pursue finance and other relatively more high paying areas of expertise?
Do we want to re-examine what pays well and enforce wage laws. For example I would be happy to see nurses and teachers paid better. Groups that are both more women than men.
However as you more or less pointed out it is about what society pays more for and not what genitals we're equipped with. That said some things like how to deal with childbirth from a salary perspective are rather complex. The countries currently managing it better does so mostly by having equal leave for both parents. Even so as women tend to use it more, which is reasonable, it still has a long lasting impact.
there is no "wage gap" in the sense that women get paid less for equal work. there is income inequality between men and women and that is to pretty much exactly 99.4% explained by an extensive set of variables which predict income that are explicitly NOT gender. you can't just look at income by gender, see the difference and jump to the conclusion that "this is unfair".
there'sa bunch of variables like working hours, qualifications, branche differences in average wages, wage negotiation frequency, career interruption in favor of rising a child and the list goes on.
i could hold an entire lecture about that topic because that notion that there's a wage gap based on "unfairness twoards women" is just so wrong and has been disproven with a frequency that anyone still claiming there's a wage gap, to the point, where you pretty much learn that in measures of social inequality, which is a social science 101 class lecture.
anyway. the TL;DR is: feminists claim that therer's male oppression that leads to women earning less and all they have to support that claim is a kindergarden level bivariate statistical interpretation that is just plain and simply not correct by any quantitative standard because there is not even a correlation. the factual truth is: women prefer other things in life than making lots of money. not because they are forced or treated unfairly. but cause they simply want that.
it was never as easy as it is today for women to get in high ranking positions and they do actually perform up to a level in the educational system that would make them more than suitable for those positions. the fact that they're not getting in those positions is that they simply do not want them OR do not want to do what needs to be done to get in those positions. and that has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. that has everything to do with being willing to work 80+ hours a week.
The comment from @purplepoppy is curious. The wage gap is the difference in average earnings for women versus those for men, which is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%. It is NOT a difference in pay for "like for like, same job, same hours", because there is no difference. Studies show that when all those factors (same field and position, education, years of experience, hours worked, women choosing to remove themselves from the workforce to have children, etc.) are controlled for, the difference between earnings for men and women is 1% - 3%, and that difference is typically attributed to the lack of assertiveness in women with regard to asking for a pay raise.
So, what about the actual gender pay gap, where women earn less on average than men? That is due to the difference in life choices between men and women. Women tend to choose easier and less lucrative careers than men. They study and earn degrees for things like social studies at far higher rates than men. A recent study showed that the lowest paid college majors are dominated by females while the highest paid ones are dominated by males. That is their choice.
So why do women choose to earn less than men? Because they can. They know they have a built safety net in the form of a husband who will bear the brunt of the responsibility for earnings. Men, on the other hand, know from an early age that their value as a human being is largely determined by their ability to earn. Women have no such pressure.
There is a whole lot of dishonesty among feminists on this topic. No surprise there.
Or they can do what my company does. They move women to lower positions while they move men to higher paid ones despite experience or qualifications. They are being sued though.
I don’t think you can sum up a wage gap as if prejudice doesn’t exist. To deny it exists is no better than a racist. No learn how to get along with women better. I also know for a fact, lots of businesses where I live will not hire women. A business owner even told me they don’t. You have no logic, no understanding, no heart and cold. That’s why you find issue with women. You’re no better than a klansman or a terrorist. Toxic and very likely a hypocrite.
I learned this several years ago, in my area women still complain they get paid less, but they work less. Many only want to work part time while kids are at school. Somehow they think they should still get a paycheck the same size as someone who works full time.
The second part is, someone will stay home to raise kids for many years, then go back to work full time and expect to be getting the same pay as someone who has been there 20 years and worked their way up.
Just like all that BS with Biden and the women's soccer not being paid the same but when you get into the details they actually get paid more.
There is "wage gap" and the "cleaned up wage gap".
The "gender pay gap" is not really worth paying attention to, as it simply compare the avarage wage of every single male to that of every single female. Regardless of qualification, working hours, profession, ...
The "cleaned up gender pay gap" only compares the wage of groups within the same profession, working hours, ... and this is still about 2-7%.
And the real question is more why a gender pay gap exists and why one gender is more likely to pursue a better paying carrer than the other.
No il tell you the exact reason why men make more money than women.
Men make more money than women because if we were to be in a Titanic ship that is sinking, for some fucked up reason the women get to leave with the kids and the men get to stay there and die. If a couple are sleeping and start hearing some fopping sounds downstairs who is going to go downstairs check if there is a possible MURDERER/THIEF in the house?
If there is a hostage situation, who do they negotiate for? "At least let the women and children go". Well fuck what about ME!
That is why the man makes more money than the woman xD. It's our surcharge fee.
Personally, I don’t care what men or women around me make. I’m only concerned about myself.
That said, if there is even a wage gap, I suppose that could explain it, but an issue looked over here…the least paid college majors/jobs. Early childhood education (preK - grade 5) and social work are crucial areas of need and it’s unfortunate that they fall under the least paid.
I know that’s unrelated to your question, but I don’t really support the idea that men make more than women, and I don’t know if it’s true.
Pretty much. Ultimately it does come down to the job itself and how much time is spent in that job/career because it is, and has been illegal to discriminate wages based on sex (among other things) for decades now. A woman who never takes time off to start a family will make the same as a man in the same job over the same timeframe, all other things being equal.
My parents each occupied similarly-paying careers, but because my mom took time off when she had me and my sister, her income fell behind. Since she also did a lot of contract work in her occupation, her income fluxuated quite a bit and attempting to compare it over time becomes problematic.
Making political weaponry out of the "wage gap" at least in the USA is a pretty straightforward sign of either a complete idiot, or someone with ulterior motives, most often non-competitive government-regulated wages or some bogus reparations scam.
The wage Gap was defined simply by Bill Burr if we are both doing the same thing on the Titanic something goes wrong the first people they let leave are the women and the children while my ass has to stay here sink and die. So yes I get the extra dollar an hour for that sacrifice. If a house is burning I'm getting everyone out of the house wife and children while the back of my shirts on fire I'm burned to a crisp so yes it's worth that extra dollar. One more, if the bank is being robbed who is the first people they negotiate for yes the women in the children. What the hell about me I don't want to be stuck back in the safe. Have the extra dollar live with a pain that I live with. So if you want to hang on to the side of the Titanic with me by all means let's pay the same. 🤣
How it was explained to me by one of my econ professors in college was that years ago researchers found that women make less than men for doing the same job... but what the researchers didn't take into account was education and experience levels. In the second half of the 20th century, due to cultural change, more and more women went to college and entered the workforce. Great. So you have a young woman getting a degree and then getting a job at a company alongside a man who has been at the company for 30 years. Then in the 1960s and 1970s you get researchers who come along and observe that the woman is doing the same job as the man but is paid different -- not factoring in that the woman is a new hire and the man has been there 30 years.
No. The wage gap is supported by scientists and they intentionally eliminates every other variable they can so that they can directly test the difference between an identical man doing identical work to an identical woman with the only difference being gender.
Sure men get paid more but here are explanations and it has nothing to do with sexism. Because if it really is ok to pay women less for the same job men did, then companies would've hire only women just to save money
https://youtu.be/5nmX3R0qHUgand of course another reason not really mentioned here is that guys are often expected to be the breadwinners whenever they earn, they are expected to pay for the family and for the child support. So yes men may earn more but they also pay more.
It's about paying like for like, same job, same hours, same pay. Not a little bit extra because you have a penis.
As for dying, try being a little more careful and stop whining about safety regulations.
Wage gap has been debunked time and time again - Why do we still need to provide information on how much of a myth it is is beyond me - I'm getting my master's in psychology - a girl that went for chemical engineering or medicine is gonna make more money than I do - It was my choice to go there it was her choice to go there - and I'm not gonna lie i knew women would be the high majority in psychology classes so how could I resist?
What women want is always going to be the goods with no responsibility. There is a reason women are famous for saying I'll marry that rich dude cause I know I can extort money via a fake marriage. And then even after getting the money they still be grumpy. Hell look at the irony of the giant Only fans girls XD.
This is more proof that people can use figures to prove whatever they want. Statistically, there is a wage gap between men and women... though it's not as large when you compare men and women doing the exact same jobs.
Historically, women tend to be in lower-paying jobs than men, which is the main reason why there is a statistical wage gap between men and women.
There are quite a few academic papers showing a wage gap even controlling for age, job, education, experience and more factors. Hence, experimental economic papers suggest an existing wage gap is more of an unconscious bias as opposed to the previously mentioned factors
Yeah men choose higher paying jobs like doctor, scientist, engineer and women choose lower paying jobs like female Doctor, female scientist and female engineer.
Do you know what the actual reason is?
Having children.
No really. Comparing men to women with no children the wage gap almost doesn't exist. Not only that but in Switzerland they have mandatory parenting leave for both parents. Mandatory. There the wage gap is also almost non existent.
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