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I know there is no injustice.
That's the bottom line. Those that spout this are either deceived, intellectually lazy or have an evil agenda.
They spout it as if employers are hiring a woman for the exact same job as a guy... they have the same education and experience as the guy... they get hired at the same time but employer just CHOOSE to pay the woman X... but the man X plus an additional 7,000 per year... just because he is a man.
The TRUTH is men and women are different. They don't go for all of the same jobs. Men and women naturally gravitate to different fields.
There are ton's of women daycare/childcare workers. I am not aware of any men doing that. There are tons of male doctors and surgeons. There are some women doctors and surgeons but not near as many men. There are a sheet load of female nurses. Mostly men start companies and want to work 70-80 hours a week and devote their lives to work and not balance it with time with family and kids. There are tons of male construction workers, oil rig workers, welders, electricians, pipe fitters, metal fabricators, plumbers, maintenance & repair specialists, HVAC techs, machine operators. I am not aware of hardly any women doing that. Tons of college professors, mathematicians, engineers (electrical, structural, aerospace, computer), computer designers and programmers.
Man are much more inclined to work overtime and put in extra hours to make more money.
Men and women don't pursue the SAME TYPE OF WORK overall therefore the salaries will vary. Men pursue the higher paying fields overall. Not every case but overall the averages work out towards men.
Men pursue jobs working with THINGS and women usually pursue jobs working with PEOPLE.
This is not an injustice... just the natural result of men and woman being different and pursuing different things.
Men take off less for children but rather are more willing to work extra hours to help pay for the wife who works less hours to stay with the kids during the early years and they are usually more blunt and confrontational with going after their employers seeking raises.
I wrote my bosses an email and sought out a meeting with them detailing my work and value and seeking a pay increase. Women are more likely to just accept what the employer gives and trust them to give raises and quietly grumble to themselves if they think they should get more.
NOT EVERY CASE... just overall more on average.
There is NO injustice... there is nothing to see here.
That's the problem with "statistics" they can often be rigged, change the conditions of the experiment and you can paint a different picture.
Women will say they get paid less overall but ignore the fact they don't work the same jobs.
They will say women who say they've been assaulted need to be believed but will ignore how that can be used maliciously against innocent men.
The only real thing about the world is a person's own personal experience and no one is willing to dig into that.
Ask any feminist: "are you being harassed at work for being a woman?" And her answer will be "no but that doesn't mean others aren't"
Guess what, the exception doesn't make the rule if out of 100 women only 5 are being harassed at work it doesn't mean that toxic masculinity still exists it means there are a handful of assholes working with these women.
And this works both ways. The only way this ends is by each side accepting that their own life is the only thing they can speak of without being controlled by someone else's agenda.
Wage gap exist but it is not sexist. It is also men's choice for "wasting" money in women. Nobody force men to give women money. HOWEVER, i think medical worker or people who work at hospital should get a better wage or better work conditions. Majority of the workers on medical field are women. I know people who are pressured or forced to work more hours than they should, otherwise patients may die due to lack of care. This is how sick it is. Many women who has jobs like this just want better working conditions. The hospitals dont hire more people to save money. Now you may say, women who complain about her job at hospital should not work there then. There are already many people who quit because of these shitty work conditions and have mental problems. Then dont complain when someone you love die or get denied treatment due to shortage of workers at medical fields since work conditions are bad and hospitals dont hire many people to save money. Not all feminists are bad and not feminist points are stupid
This i actually agree with, and its the same for all jobs with absurd working conditions. In my industry it's not uncommon for myself or my employees to work 80+hours a week
Yes, we do "have it easy". In my entire life I have never met a female coal miner, or demolitions expert. Being an electrician can be very dangerous too, and I've never met one of those who was female either. There is this thing called hazard pay, which I think those "feminists" need to acquaint themselves with.
The STEM fields are dominated by men, because men tend to be better at maths, and are actually interested in those things.
Yes, I said it. Men are better than women at maths. It's true, that's the reality. Men and women are fundamentally different!
Objective reality exists, men and women are different, there are only two genders. Boys like blue, girls like pink. Boys like cars, girls like dolls. Reality. It's immutable. Deal with it fembots.
I have read that studies show that men and women are equally gifted at math... it is just that men are more interested in going into math fields where less women are interested in that.
Men, overall like to work with THINGS and women like to work with people.
Put some clothes on... you naky, naky!
@Miristheiss Naky, naky, awaiting the snaky! :D
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People still buy into this?
The simplest reason as to why it is not real is that if it were it is also illegal pretty much everywhere and rather easy to prosecute.
Outside of that the wage gap exists but not in the way it is portrayed to.
When accounting for the same work, hours, experience and alike most professions have ablut 1-2% differences. Some outliers exist.
What the typical wage gap does show isn't that men earn more than women for the same work but that men earn more than women.
This in turn can be useful. It can help us as a society tackle questions about it such as:
Do we want to encourage more women to pursue finance and other relatively more high paying areas of expertise?
Do we want to re-examine what pays well and enforce wage laws. For example I would be happy to see nurses and teachers paid better. Groups that are both more women than men.
However as you more or less pointed out it is about what society pays more for and not what genitals we're equipped with. That said some things like how to deal with childbirth from a salary perspective are rather complex. The countries currently managing it better does so mostly by having equal leave for both parents. Even so as women tend to use it more, which is reasonable, it still has a long lasting impact.
there is no "wage gap" in the sense that women get paid less for equal work. there is income inequality between men and women and that is to pretty much exactly 99.4% explained by an extensive set of variables which predict income that are explicitly NOT gender. you can't just look at income by gender, see the difference and jump to the conclusion that "this is unfair".
there'sa bunch of variables like working hours, qualifications, branche differences in average wages, wage negotiation frequency, career interruption in favor of rising a child and the list goes on.
i could hold an entire lecture about that topic because that notion that there's a wage gap based on "unfairness twoards women" is just so wrong and has been disproven with a frequency that anyone still claiming there's a wage gap, to the point, where you pretty much learn that in measures of social inequality, which is a social science 101 class lecture.
anyway. the TL;DR is: feminists claim that therer's male oppression that leads to women earning less and all they have to support that claim is a kindergarden level bivariate statistical interpretation that is just plain and simply not correct by any quantitative standard because there is not even a correlation. the factual truth is: women prefer other things in life than making lots of money. not because they are forced or treated unfairly. but cause they simply want that.
it was never as easy as it is today for women to get in high ranking positions and they do actually perform up to a level in the educational system that would make them more than suitable for those positions. the fact that they're not getting in those positions is that they simply do not want them OR do not want to do what needs to be done to get in those positions. and that has nothing to do with being a man or a woman. that has everything to do with being willing to work 80+ hours a week.
The comment from @purplepoppy is curious. The wage gap is the difference in average earnings for women versus those for men, which is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%. It is NOT a difference in pay for "like for like, same job, same hours", because there is no difference. Studies show that when all those factors (same field and position, education, years of experience, hours worked, women choosing to remove themselves from the workforce to have children, etc.) are controlled for, the difference between earnings for men and women is 1% - 3%, and that difference is typically attributed to the lack of assertiveness in women with regard to asking for a pay raise.
So, what about the actual gender pay gap, where women earn less on average than men? That is due to the difference in life choices between men and women. Women tend to choose easier and less lucrative careers than men. They study and earn degrees for things like social studies at far higher rates than men. A recent study showed that the lowest paid college majors are dominated by females while the highest paid ones are dominated by males. That is their choice.
So why do women choose to earn less than men? Because they can. They know they have a built safety net in the form of a husband who will bear the brunt of the responsibility for earnings. Men, on the other hand, know from an early age that their value as a human being is largely determined by their ability to earn. Women have no such pressure.
There is a whole lot of dishonesty among feminists on this topic. No surprise there.
Or they can do what my company does. They move women to lower positions while they move men to higher paid ones despite experience or qualifications. They are being sued though.
I don’t think you can sum up a wage gap as if prejudice doesn’t exist. To deny it exists is no better than a racist. No learn how to get along with women better. I also know for a fact, lots of businesses where I live will not hire women. A business owner even told me they don’t. You have no logic, no understanding, no heart and cold. That’s why you find issue with women. You’re no better than a klansman or a terrorist. Toxic and very likely a hypocrite.
No the men were simply better. Women have great "qualifications" from the sexist education system but no real skill.
@Hallo626262 no sorry when I say same qualifications I mean that. These women have more experience at the company too. Sorry keep denying nobody has it worse than people who look like you. You’ll be the first to cry though when nobody is there for you though. Guaranteed if you were treated like the women at my company you’d be crying harder than them.
In fact, there’s so much evidence of it, they will likely lose just like they did when they were sued for it before a few years back. Stop being selfish and heartless.
Love how you gloss over the whole more men die at work thing yet call us cold and sexist
I didn’t gloss over being hurt on the job. I never even mentioned being hurt on the job. The guys I’m talking about aren’t in jobs where they’d get hurt anyways. I also didn’t call you sexist. I think you have me confused with another poster. They mentioned being hurt on the job. The jobs I’m talking about though, people don’t get hurt. They are moving women who are just as qualified if not more so to lower paying jobs while they are promoting men who have less experience. They have been caught before and lost. They are losing again too.
You are cold and you’re a reckless fool too. What sad is you don’t even realize it. thats why you shouldn’t be trusted to make complex decisions.
Btw- the jobs that someone can get hurt at- yes sometimes they get hurt due to no fault of their own. Usually it’s because they are hung over or just not watching what they are doing though. I saw a guy run into a bunch of equipment with a fork truck and destroy thousands of bucks in material. He was drunk, then turned around and made the same excuse as you. I think in it’s sad you’d even put people like that in the same category as hard working people who just have an accident. Women also got hurt as well. Shame on you for diminishing anyone like cattle.
Well I've been an electrician all my life and I can tell you sometimes wires become dislodged and send thousands of amps across your heart line. Some jobs are just inherently dangerous and men tend to occupy those jobs. For as much as you feminists complain about getting more women into a board room I sure don't see you trying to get more women into Alaskan crab fishing boats.
@captain_voidwalker the wage gap has to do with the differences in pay with men vs women in the SAME JOB, not the amount of men taking dangerous jobs 🤣🤣
Captain please read what I actually said.
@Cheechee4me
Experience doesn't mean as skillful as others.
@Hallo626262 career jobs that pay salary employees pay on qualifications and experience. They honestly don’t give a damn about skills.
There is "wage gap" and the "cleaned up wage gap".
The "gender pay gap" is not really worth paying attention to, as it simply compare the avarage wage of every single male to that of every single female. Regardless of qualification, working hours, profession, ...
The "cleaned up gender pay gap" only compares the wage of groups within the same profession, working hours, ... and this is still about 2-7%.
And the real question is more why a gender pay gap exists and why one gender is more likely to pursue a better paying carrer than the other.
Their is no gap the studies just can't control for everything. Men are more likely to earn more because they want it more. Pretty simply a proven thing. If you know anything about evolutionary biology then it should be obvious.
I learned this several years ago, in my area women still complain they get paid less, but they work less. Many only want to work part time while kids are at school. Somehow they think they should still get a paycheck the same size as someone who works full time.
The second part is, someone will stay home to raise kids for many years, then go back to work full time and expect to be getting the same pay as someone who has been there 20 years and worked their way up.
Just like all that BS with Biden and the women's soccer not being paid the same but when you get into the details they actually get paid more.
No il tell you the exact reason why men make more money than women.
Men make more money than women because if we were to be in a Titanic ship that is sinking, for some fucked up reason the women get to leave with the kids and the men get to stay there and die. If a couple are sleeping and start hearing some fopping sounds downstairs who is going to go downstairs check if there is a possible MURDERER/THIEF in the house?
If there is a hostage situation, who do they negotiate for? "At least let the women and children go". Well fuck what about ME!
That is why the man makes more money than the woman xD. It's our surcharge fee.
Nice lol I like bill burr to 😆
Personally, I don’t care what men or women around me make. I’m only concerned about myself.
That said, if there is even a wage gap, I suppose that could explain it, but an issue looked over here…the least paid college majors/jobs. Early childhood education (preK - grade 5) and social work are crucial areas of need and it’s unfortunate that they fall under the least paid.
I know that’s unrelated to your question, but I don’t really support the idea that men make more than women, and I don’t know if it’s true.
Pretty much. Ultimately it does come down to the job itself and how much time is spent in that job/career because it is, and has been illegal to discriminate wages based on sex (among other things) for decades now. A woman who never takes time off to start a family will make the same as a man in the same job over the same timeframe, all other things being equal.
My parents each occupied similarly-paying careers, but because my mom took time off when she had me and my sister, her income fell behind. Since she also did a lot of contract work in her occupation, her income fluxuated quite a bit and attempting to compare it over time becomes problematic.
Making political weaponry out of the "wage gap" at least in the USA is a pretty straightforward sign of either a complete idiot, or someone with ulterior motives, most often non-competitive government-regulated wages or some bogus reparations scam.
The wage Gap was defined simply by Bill Burr if we are both doing the same thing on the Titanic something goes wrong the first people they let leave are the women and the children while my ass has to stay here sink and die. So yes I get the extra dollar an hour for that sacrifice. If a house is burning I'm getting everyone out of the house wife and children while the back of my shirts on fire I'm burned to a crisp so yes it's worth that extra dollar. One more, if the bank is being robbed who is the first people they negotiate for yes the women in the children. What the hell about me I don't want to be stuck back in the safe. Have the extra dollar live with a pain that I live with. So if you want to hang on to the side of the Titanic with me by all means let's pay the same. 🤣
How it was explained to me by one of my econ professors in college was that years ago researchers found that women make less than men for doing the same job... but what the researchers didn't take into account was education and experience levels. In the second half of the 20th century, due to cultural change, more and more women went to college and entered the workforce. Great. So you have a young woman getting a degree and then getting a job at a company alongside a man who has been at the company for 30 years. Then in the 1960s and 1970s you get researchers who come along and observe that the woman is doing the same job as the man but is paid different -- not factoring in that the woman is a new hire and the man has been there 30 years.
No. The wage gap is supported by scientists and they intentionally eliminates every other variable they can so that they can directly test the difference between an identical man doing identical work to an identical woman with the only difference being gender.
Thats strange because I've seen more than a few scientific studies that say the opposite
Sure men get paid more but here are explanations and it has nothing to do with sexism. Because if it really is ok to pay women less for the same job men did, then companies would've hire only women just to save money
https://youtu.be/5nmX3R0qHUgand of course another reason not really mentioned here is that guys are often expected to be the breadwinners whenever they earn, they are expected to pay for the family and for the child support. So yes men may earn more but they also pay more.
There are quite a few academic papers showing a wage gap even controlling for age, job, education, experience and more factors. Hence, experimental economic papers suggest an existing wage gap is more of an unconscious bias as opposed to the previously mentioned factors
Actually no all the evidence points to no unfair wage gap of course. Not really debateable. Sorry
@Hallo626262
Nope. There is plenty of academic research to show wage outcomes are different despite many factors, including education, job, age, experience, hours and such being controlled for. That is by definition an unfair wage gap.
Not really debatable, sorry!
@tartaarsaus sorry honey their is no real evidence for an unfair wage gap absolutely none. All the evidence points clearly to non of that existing.
@hallo626262 must be nice to be this ignorant
It's called educating oneself about a subject before talking about it. I guess that's ignorant too you.
And I did
Wage gap has been debunked time and time again - Why do we still need to provide information on how much of a myth it is is beyond me - I'm getting my master's in psychology - a girl that went for chemical engineering or medicine is gonna make more money than I do - It was my choice to go there it was her choice to go there - and I'm not gonna lie i knew women would be the high majority in psychology classes so how could I resist?
What women want is always going to be the goods with no responsibility. There is a reason women are famous for saying I'll marry that rich dude cause I know I can extort money via a fake marriage. And then even after getting the money they still be grumpy. Hell look at the irony of the giant Only fans girls XD.
Do you know what the actual reason is?
Having children.
No really. Comparing men to women with no children the wage gap almost doesn't exist. Not only that but in Switzerland they have mandatory parenting leave for both parents. Mandatory. There the wage gap is also almost non existent.
It's about paying like for like, same job, same hours, same pay. Not a little bit extra because you have a penis.
As for dying, try being a little more careful and stop whining about safety regulations.
It's been illegal to pay women less for the same job in the US for 50 years. That wage gap figure was always a lie - it simply compared the average earnings of all men to the average earnings of all women - it made no effort to account for the number of hours worked, the difficulty or danger associated with the job, or anything else.
And it wasn't laziness that had them use that misleading statistics, it was to push a false narrative.
Women have been out graduating men in college for 40 years, but they choose easier, lower earning career choices far more often than men, and STEM fields far less often. Women choose jobs closer to home, take more time off, and are much less likely to work overtime. They also almost completely avoid dangerous jobs such as mining, petroleum, construction trades, truck driving, and ocean crews/shipping.
That's why incomes are different, and none of those factors are reflected in that stat.
Women get the same that's the point.
This is more proof that people can use figures to prove whatever they want. Statistically, there is a wage gap between men and women... though it's not as large when you compare men and women doing the exact same jobs.
Historically, women tend to be in lower-paying jobs than men, which is the main reason why there is a statistical wage gap between men and women.
Yeah men choose higher paying jobs like doctor, scientist, engineer and women choose lower paying jobs like female Doctor, female scientist and female engineer.
@backdoorman don't think anyone is too concerned about the pay gap differences between different jobs. It's within the same job doing the same role with the same experience which is the worrying part.
@backdoorman the wage gap is talking about the differences in salary between men and women IN THE SAME JOB. How is this confusing?
@snowboarder720 No, the gender pay gap is defined as the the difference in average pay of all working women compared to all working men. I can see why you are confused though. But just do a little Googling and educate yourself. You can start here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap
@backdoorman www.epi.org/.../
Here's a good read for you
Thanks for the link, but I am unable to read it as I do not have a subscription. But I am familiar with the EPI and know it is a left-biased organization so I know what kind of rhetoric I can expect from them.
But regardless, my initial response to you was just to point out that the the gender pay gap is largely explained by the differences in career and life choices men and women make. That is a well accepted fact, and yet we see relatively little emphasis on encouraging girls to take more lucrative career paths.
@backdoorman if you read the article (you don't need a subscription to read it) it explains that the differences in wage gaps are still there no matter how you work it out. There's wages gaps in high end jobs (even greater gaps) and in low end jobs.
I was able to access the article initially and start reading it but was then locked out with a message I needed a subscription.
But again, it's beside the point of my response. By far, the biggest factor in the gender wage gap is career choice, and yet that is given little attention by feminist and leftist organizations when it should be a major focus. Again, that was my point and I stand by it.
@backdoorman I'll help you out. "Can women close the wage gap by getting more education? It appears not. Women are paid less than similarly educated men at every level of education. And the wage gap tends to rise with education level. This, again, in part likely reflects labor market policies that foster more-equal outcomes for workers in the lower tier of the wage distribution. It also may be affected by certain challenges that disproportionately affect women’s ability to secure jobs at the top of the wage distribution, such as earnings penalties for time out of the workforce, excessive work hours, domestic gender roles, and pay and promotion discrimination."
"As a thought experiment, imagine all women are picked out of their jobs and dropped into jobs to mirror how men are distributed throughout the occupational labor market. For example, if 1.22 percent of men are currently software developers, suppose 1.22 percent of women (instead of today’s 0.33 percent of women) became software developers.13 What would this occupational reassignment of women do to the wage gap? Claudia Goldin imagines this scenario in a 2014 paper (Goldin 2014). After controlling for differences in education and preferences for full-time work, she finds that only 32 percent of the gender pay gap for college graduates would be closed by redistributing women and men across occupations. On the other hand, as much as 68 percent of the gender pay gap by occupation for college graduates is due to the within-occupation gap (Goldin 2014).14 This means if you left women in their current occupations and just closed the gaps between women and their male counterparts within occupations (e. g., if male and female civil engineers, and male and female teachers, made the same per hour), that would close a whopping 68 percent of the gap."
Thanks, but I put more stock in unbiased facts than leftist thought experiments.
"What’s causing that gender pay gap? In our study, we found the largest single factor that explains the 24.1 percent adjusted gender pay gap in the U. S. is occupation and industry sorting of men and women into different jobs that pay differently throughout the economy"
www.glassdoor.com/.../...-Gap2FCollege-Major-1.pdf
@backdoorman the reasoning for the argument of gender pay gap is when men are paid more than women IN THE SAME JOB.
@backdoorman
Teaching jobs there’s a gender pay gap too.
www.wipsociology.org/.../
@backdoorman there’s a gender pay gap in any career you can think of. The only reason why you use sources written by biased losers is because it supports your shit argument that women somehow have it better and playing the victim.
That is disingenuous. Your fallacy is that you believe the workforce is equally dispersed as:
50% male doctors and 50% female doctors
50% male engineers/scientists and 50% female engineers/scientists.
There are a sheet load more male doctors and surgeons. There are female doctors but not near as many as men and a SHEEEEEEET load of female nurses. Doctors make more than nurses!
There are a sheeet load more scientists and engineers that are men. You act as if the numbers are the same.
How many female pipe fitters, oil rig workers, machine operators, electricians, repair/maintenance techs, HVAC techs, construction workers, welders, plumbers? Hardly any.
How many male daycare workers? Hardly any.
Men and women don't pursue the same fields and if they do often the numbers are not the same. Men flock to engineering. Some women go into that but not a lot.
Be truthful and stop being flippant.
@Miristheiss just because there's more men in the field doesn't mean the women who are in the field who have the same degree and experience should be paid less
That doesn't make any sense.
They are not.
@Miristheiss study after study says they are. No matter how you calculate it women in the same field earn less. The gap increases when it's a higher up job.
I don't know where you are basing this off of.
If everything is the same. The same TYPE of doctor... working at the SAME clinic/hospital... with the SAME education and credentials and the SAME number of hours (not taking a lighter load to spend more time at home but both man and woman working the same shifts and hours) the pay is the same.
Not one working as a surgeon in California working 60 hours a week compared to someone working 35 hours a week at a free clinic in Indiana.
When you compare apples to apples women aren't being paid less.
@Miristheiss yet it's not.
You can't look at average pay lets say you make 15 per hour and I make 14 per hour but I do 10 hours of over time every week that would make my monthly salary bigger than yours any study that does not take hours worked overtime worked and other information does not really present a real view of the matter
@jspl90
Yes.
It is a MULTI VARIED ANALYSIS.
There are many components and criteria that would factor into why one persons pay is different than others.
I've read it is around 15 factors that have to be checked.
Anyone who just says John makes X... Jane makes Y... John is man... Jane is woman and that is ALL they check and they say that is definition evidence that it is gender discrimination is willingly dishonest or they are just ignorant of how things work in life and they are just eager to believe instigators and agitators that are always sowing discord into society for political purposes.
Looks like an article that’s written by someone who has no idea what they are talking about. The link you posted is wrote by a nobody and never lists any sources for their claims.
@QA after doing a little background research of the author, Jim Goad, I’ve found that he’s a criminal and a nut job. Interesting how you’d listen to everything this loser says and taking his word for it.
@captain_voidwalker the very first word in your new link says “opinion” I honestly could careless about opinion pieces. Learn how to find a source of facts. Dumbass 😆
I find that men speak up and negotiate and females tend to just accept whatever is given. Social work isn't low paying though if you know what branch to get into I’m sorry but I demand higher pay at interviews like the worst you can do is say no and I just keep looking. One of my past coworkers found out that my salary was higher and we were both straight out of grad school. Speak up!!!
Easy fella, you go around showing facts like that and you'll be called a woman hater.
Yeah we all know why there's a "wage gap" it's cause different jobs pay different, feminist just hate that there photography degree is usless.
I’m sorry you think you have it the worst and that nobody else every sees any prejudice or racism. Maybe that’s why you aren’t fit to wear the pants like men actually used to.
@Cheechee4me what you you want?
It generally does. It's been explained more and more times, but you can't make feminazis think. They are not capable of that. Just as BLM, they only exist to try and get the upper hand on society.
Am I the only one that personally doesn’t give a shit what others around me make? Like I have a goal for myself. I don’t care if a man makes more than me 🤷🏻♀️
I'd also add this source:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704415104576250672504707048
The only wage gap that exists is women being paid more then men for the EXACT SAME WORK when you control for ALL VARIABLES. MEN are the ones that are being discriminated against, and we should all be angry and resentful of this and take any opportunity we get to strike back.
Everywhere I have worked women made same amount as men. Most jobs are those jobs. Answer : Bull Shit. Like voting, they can vote , they just want their vote to count twice. They don't want equal rights , they want more rights.
I did my entire thesis in college explaining why feminism is bullsh*t. This was in 2016, too.
There isn't a wage gap in the US any more... but there was for a long time.
Yes there is. It’s better though. Please see my example. My company is in the middle of a lawsuit over it. Everyone in charge knew it was happening too.
@t-8900 well they keep doing it though. They lost a few years back too. So obviously legal or not it’s still happening. You can’t keep denying that nobody except people who look like you have a hard time. The most you do, the more privilege you have because you don’t have to face the truth. God help all of us.
@Cheechee4me I've got no idea what you are talking about. where I worked women got positions over men to meet quotas. I had been in the company for 7 years and girls got bumped up ahead of me even though I was proven to be the faster and more productive member of the team. And might i add I was also the most request employee in the store and thats a damn FACT! Your mileage may vary but in my area affirmative action is a VERY real thing.
Thats why the last 2 years on the job i half assed it because I was putting in overtime, working all the holidays, unloading the trucks while the girls dicked around on their phones texting and laughing and teasing each other. It was insufferable and I ended up leaving the company with a hefty $8,000 severance pay because they wanted to avoid a lawsuit over a dispute. I even got to keep my health coverage for 2 years after leaving. So yeah they were totally in the wrong and they lost a guy who busted his ass and kept regulars coming back.
Shortly after I left apparently a lot of customers did too since the prices were higher at the store I worked at anyways. I remember when I was on register on Christmas eve one year i had a line of people probably 9 or 10 deep. Other registers were opened but people refused to use them because they wanted to talk to me as I checked them out at the register.
@t-8900 no sorry. I no longer believe you at this point. If you don’t even recall what I’m talking about. I know for a fact some businesses around here will not hire women, they told me they didn’t. I know some won’t hire blacks or Mexicans too. I admit bad things can happen to white men. How dare you become blinded that only men get discriminated against. Shame on you for suggesting blacks are not discriminated against, how dare you suggest that native Americans aren’t. Shame on you for suggesting any group of people do not suffer discrimination and as long as there are people like you, people will continue to be discriminated against in large numbers. You are the downfall of humanity and everyone is paying for it.
@Cheechee4me haha I wasn't you were acting like it was only women that get discriminated against. What you believe is irrelevant. Sounds to me like you just want victimhood points and dont care about anyone else.
"Shame on you for suggesting blacks are not discriminated against, how dare you suggest that native Americans aren’t."
i didn't you racist clown. I never said anything about race. We never once talked about race. The context of affirmative action was about gender. Now you're just bouncing around to dodge the subject.
" Shame on you for suggesting any group of people do not suffer discrimination and as long as there are people like you, people will continue to be discriminated against in large numbers."
You're seriously this crazy at 26 jumping from one subject to another? Dear Lord you are really in the hive mind. I grew up in a literal hood lol. I didn't notice white privilege while living a life of poverty in a broken home with drive bys a hookers in the streets. OH YOU dont believe it BECAUSE I'm white. So who's generalizing? I never did but you have tons ya racist nutjob!
@DizzyDesii @FinalFantasyBro I'm apparently a racist now.
t-8900 That is definitely hilarious, because you are definitely cool to be a racist.
@FinalFantasyBro ya man racists risk their lives in the deep inner cities to make sure people are fed. They sign death warrants in case their asses get shot. They risk going into drug infested areas to be father and brother figures to children of other races. Klansmen and Nazis are totally lining up in droves to do that!
True, I always like your way of thinking. I also never understand why some people want to murder others and claim it justice that is more the opposite of justice.
@Cheechee4me wtf are you talking about? You really are a lunatic aren't you? Tell me where I brought up race before your looney rambling about race came up? Everyone here was talking about gender and wages. No one said a damn thing about race but you. You can't quote me, I rest my case.
@t-8900 see exactly you don’t read and you don’t comprehend. Go ahead and rest your case. You weren’t doing anything positive to change things for the better anyways.
@t-8900 whenever someone calls someone a lunatic like that, just shows that person is likely right. Shame on you. Think before you type.
@t-8900 you’re the same is what I said, if you actually would have read what I said. I still mean it too. You’re the exact same as one. You call me a lunatic because you know I’m right.
@Cheechee4me still waiting for an example. You've got nothing. One example will due. If you can't give one you've got no argument. You called me a racist so the burden of proof is on you to prove it. Also claiming that i said that no one but me struggles? I want proof of that one too. Exact quotes and if you can't support the claim (which you can't) you're just a bumbling clown and you know it. Do you dye your armpit hair purple, red, or blue?
@t-8900 I did give you an answer. Now go hang out with victims who point their finger and pretend nobody else gets discriminated against. Oh you bet I have an argument and it’s about time people start listening. Up until I called you out- you made out like men only get discriminated against. Just like slave traders thought they were discriminated against when their noses got rubbed in it. You’re no better if you continue to be blind. What a sick cold time we live in.
@Cheechee4me "I did give you an answer" I didn't ask for an opinion piece I asked for you to quote me. Still waiting by the way.
"Up until I called you out- you made out like men only get discriminated against."
No I didn't I pointed out discrimination happens to everyone. You just internalized it as you did because you have an agenda and your eyes are closed.
"Just like slave traders thought they were discriminated against when their noses got rubbed in it."
My conscience is clean. My family migrated over to the USA in 1952 after beating the sh*t out of nazis and Commies.
"You’re no better if you continue to be blind."
No one turned a blind eye, not once. I gave examples based on lived experience and suddenly you got all defensive as if it was a personal attack, which it wasn't.
^All examples of how to quote people in their own words
My receipts:
This was to a black single mother: How to deal with a single mother as a man ↗
This was my grandfather's lesson to me: My Late Grandfather's Message Towards Racism and Interracial/Interfaith Relationships ↗
This was my childhood: A Look Into My Childhood (Long Read and not for the feint of heart) ↗
please give me a refund for my privilege please. It appears I've never gotten to cash in on it.
@t-8900 for someone with such little privilege you sure aren’t very understanding of anyone else. You don’t even want to know what my childhood was like. I’m sorry you had a hard time. So have I. That made me even more caring to others while it makes others selfish.
How can you even say I'm selfish? Do you realize the whole issue is you jumping to conclusions. The whole thing was me staying on topic. I read about your lost, about being raped but your comment fixated so much on gender and race. And you have these need apparently to dominate a man too. Likely as a cope to regain some control and I get it! But it's not a healthy mindset. A woman of color raped me. But do I attack minorities over it? Hell no! People are people and idgaf ab race one bit. I'm talking to a woman of color right now! I'm completely infatuated by her! I see her as a peer, not above or below me! You read my story so if anyone would be toxic it should be me. But I don't hate women! I need a woman in my life! I need her so I can be vulnerable! I need her love and I need her touch! Don't assume things about me l. I grew up around a highly mixed community. I lived in a shabby town house. Both my neighbors were black. One was a Muslim family and I he other Christian. I spent time among newly arrived immigrants. One was a Shia family from Tehran. I spent so much time with them helping teach them English, helping them pass their tests and helping them study. They basically adopted me! I get along with pe from every background and most of my friends were Hispanic and black! Jesse, Danny, Nunzio, Alphonso, Ahmad, Javier, Victor, DeAndre, Hector, these were the names of my main group of friends! Don't act like I wasn't slumming it right along side them! Recognize an Ally when you see one and stop attacking everyone with a different perspective and lived experience. The story about my job was 💯 true! My time doing volunteer in Riverside in downtown Wilmington was real! I'm not a liar! So turn it down about 3 notches
And if you'll excuse me I'm talking to a very special lady ATM so g2g bye
@t-8900 sorry didn’t even give you the respect of reading your tirade anymore. I gave you enough respect of listening and actually reading what you said with the assumption you actually stopped and thought before you typed. You didn’t though. So screw you. I mean every word I said. Just because your mistreated doesn’t mean you can just assume everyone besides you has a perfect life. That’s why the world is falling apart. No understand, no compassion for anyone but yourself.
@t-8900 keep telling yourself everyone victimizes you and that nobody else has it any worse. It’s a common things anymore. That’s why our world is crumbling. I me mine. Me and myself and I.
@t-8900 sorry still didn’t read your response. I have a feeling subarugirl is going to get tired of your silliness and selfishness though notifying her at all odd hours of the night. You’re spiraling out for a reason- because I was right. Now work on being a better person.
@t-8900 you proved my point for sticking up for a guy who very clearly is a prime example of who I’m talking about too. Yep nobody has it worse than you. Lol weak minded
@t-8900 hahahahaha I love being proven right. Hahahaha oh god.
@t-8900 hahahaha encore encore!!! Do it again so everyone will know hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@t-8900 @cheechee4me okay you’re both done. If you still want to argue take it to your DMs
Aren’t you working in the home primarily? I believe you said your husband is a doctor. Yeah until you get out into the workforce full time and long enough, you’ll see desparages at times- depends on the company too though.
@Cheechee4me honey I have been working at a car dealership full time for the past 6 years. (Apart from maternity leave) on average, the woman working at the dealership make more than the men. Before that I worked as a lifeguard, since women were more likely to be swim instructors and stick around longer, they made more than their male counter parts.
Like I said- depend on the company- companies are just like people. Some discriminate, some don’t. But to deny discrimination happens is pretty naive and thoughtless. Just saying.
Okay you’ve been at one company. That means you aren’t qualified to make such blanket statements about all companies. Especially considering there are many studies specifically about same job same duty wage disparages. now grow up and stop silencing people are discriminated against by saying it doesn’t happen.
@Cheechee4me I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen, I’m saying that it isn’t the norm, like it was 50 years ago…
Stop trying to convince these White women that they aren't victims, they would never listen...
Seems your source is biased against paying women equally, so...
All the smart feminists that harp on it already know. However, they don't care because they are appealing to women that are too stupid to know and that is most women.
Stop wasting your time trying to convince people to quit victimizing themselves. Their egos won't let them see the truth. Just carry on with your life and let them fall by the wayside
Well yeah, it isn't sexism, and when it is they're usually sued because that's illegal so on the basis on what is legal and isn't, then yes.
With all due respect, this a biased way of seeing the gender wage gap. It's not telling the whole story.
Of course it is you're just am uninformed idiot.
Its all about the votes and the money. Even the ones who know it's dalse going along if they think they can gain something
plus women’s ability to make money has no effect on their ability to get laid, why would they work as hard as us if they don’t have to?
All this has nothing to do with the racist, sexist wage gap.
It's exactly right.
crazy feminist
Wage gap is a myth
Actually it's not.. the equal pay act wasn't passed until 1963. In 2018 and 2019, high-profile gender pay class action lawsuits were filed against a number of companies, including Nike, Disney, Oracle and Google.
@Subarugirl great so women demand special treatment as always and can't accept that men are simply better.
@Hallo626262 no women demand gender equality, equal ease of access to resources and opportunities regardless of gender, including economic participation and decision-making. The genitalia between your legs doesn't make you better or any worse than anyone else.
i- what?/srs
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