
Do you agree with Jason Haddad that women should only get strict evidence-based abortions less than 20 weeks into their pregnancy?

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People and especially women can't seem to accept a simple science lesson they were taught as kids:
It. takes. two. to. make. a. baby.
This whole idea of women having the ONLY say in the matter is bullshit. We did not decide who gets pregnant and who doesn't it has always been women. It does not mean they should be entitled to anything the father which is an indispensable component of the pregnacy isn't entitled to.
Like what the actual fuck? This has always been unfair and needs to be stopped. It's not even about life or choice it's about fairness of outcome.
A woman can keep a baby and force the father into child support even if he didn't want said baby.
Or she can abort the baby and deny the father his own child even if he wanted to be a father.
I say make it fair: no father gets forced into child support and can only apply for it willingly. And it takes 2 consenting parents to have an abortion.
Women may not like losing so much power but it is the only way this is fair.
I want to be pro choice… but people make bad choices. Even one woman using abortion as contraception is too much. It’s murder in my eyes. At what point do we take accountability?
Fact is skipping the bullshit that is religion… sex should be control by women and hidden behind the gates of commitment! It makes better men. Men that women want to be with. And if a woman’s not what men want then they won’t commit for sex… it makes women be what men want… this fuckfest we got going on is breaking dating and society. I supported abortion in the 90s as “safe, legal, and rare”. But we got people bragging about it. That’s like when the nazis bragged about what they did to the Jews! The Jews were less then human so they killed them!!! To some it was funny to others it broke them. Abortions no different.
Sometimes you have to choose between lives. It’s supposed to be a hard decision not a side errand between picking up your dog from the groomers and grabbing McDonald’s. Women were given an opportunity to keep abortion and they fucking ran with it. You can argue killing someone under the right circumstances is just so why isn’t murder legal? Bad people did bad things and now everyone that kills must prove the death was necessary… why not abortion as well?
Give me a break. This guy is a pissant wannabe out looking for money. For starters, he can't seem to figure out what he is (maybe I'm Republican, but maybe I'm Libertarian). And golly gee, from his latest updates looks like the idea of running for mayor is out of reach until maybe later, so maybe run for state legislature. He's all over the map. Does anyone really think a guy running on a scrambled platform in famously liberal Southern California is going to make it? I understand he's pretty good fodder for bashing and non-Americans love to use things like this to bash the United States, but for fuck's sake nobody - Americans included - takes this guy seriously. Since he's managed to raise a whopping $40 over the past 17 or so days out of $100,000 I'd say he's not worth the time it took me to write this post.
What do mean when you say “evidence based” abortion? Evidence based on what? Your opinion? What if a woman’s doctor says she need an abortion for health reason, but somebody else comes along and says it’s not necessary? Who decides if her life is worthy of saving, or worth the risk to her health and life?
Obviously, we can’t allow the woman to make the choice for herself. Pro-Life people don’t like it when women get to do that?
So who? Who is better than I to make choices for my life?
The Mayor? 🤣😂
Have women only now heard of the concept of laws?
@Frauensindobjekte
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He’s in for a disappointment because he doesn’t have the authority on this matter, no matter how badly he wishes he did.
The reality is that people with the ability to exert power can do whatever they'd like.
You're not following: I'm saying that a governing authority can force you do to do whatever you want, period, regardless of whether or not they should have that authority or not. That's reality.
I don't know what that's supposed to mean.
MzAsh… if you were raped and locked up for a year… could you abort? That’s what Spartans saying. Power is power and even if he’s not supposed to be able to do it he can… and it’s possible he won’t be disciplined until after you’ve had the baby leaving you without choices.
So without a doctor unable to flee and unable to move you can abort?
How tf you gone manage that.
Abortion for the most part outlawed in poland, so yea it's the authorities who decide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland
Wait - don't you mean the woman cannot afford to KEEP the baby? How can you not afford to give it up for adoption? Anyway, no I don't agree with him. What I agree with is "men should stay out of women's uteruses".
First, I'll state that by and large, I think abortions aren't the best choice, but I do think it's a better choice than bringing an unwanted child into the world. Those of you who will scream "put it up for adoption" need to be reminded - only 62% of newborns (in the USA) are adopted within a month of birth. The other 38% spend time in foster homes where the average age of adoption is 7.7 years. Let's not even bring up racial disparities at this point.
Republicans by and large are totally two-faced on this issue. They claim to champion "less government and more individual choice" - EXCEPT when it comes to abortion. On that issue, they know what's best and the only choice they want you to have is THEIR choice. They say "we're protecting the innocent unborn who can't do it themselves" at the same moment they vote "NO" on bills to help single, impoverished or low-income mothers get economic help because of deadbeat dads. Then they turn around and vote "NO" again when a day care bill comes up which would allow the mother to attend school or learn a trade so she could support herself and the child.
And the final insult being "well, you should have thought about all this before you got pregnant", while saying "NO" to free or very low cost contraceptives in middle/high schools. "Well these kids shouldn't be having sex, and it's the parents' job to teach them that". The only positive thing I can say is Haddad's recommendation is a small step in the right direction, but that's it.
I am pro-choice with consequences unless it affects third party. And pregnancy doesn't happen from nothing. It requires two adults to make their CHOICE and affects the
You are free to choose to have sex, with the consequence of potential pregnancy. Was the sex consensual? Yes? Then you both already made your choice. And the consequence for women is potential pregnancy, while for men it is potential 18 years of payment for the child.
Abortions should be reserved only for women who didn't get the opportunity to FREELY CHOOSE to have sex (rape victims) or if it directly endangers the life of the to-be-mother.
Are YOU willing to sign iron-clad court ordered & enforced child support for 18 years?
If YOU say 'no' then why the hell didn't you use a condom,, asshat!
WHO ARE YOU to obligate her to be bound for the next EIGHTEEN YEARS !
EVERY time YOU ejaculate and YOUR spermatozoa don't find an Ovum,
millions of YOUR potential 'kids' are naturally-aborted.
DON'T breed 'em, if YOU aren't there to FEED 'em, 'Stud'~
Female condoms are much stronger, more reliable, and feel better… why didn’t she? What about the pill? The insert? Plan b? Most contraception is on the women’s side.
SHE chose for herself when she stopped for the purpose of a good time… it takes two to make a baby it’s time we have some accountability. Sperm isn’t human.
And 80% of divorce cases that involve children will give the mother privacy or sole custody. Both sides deny the children a parent…
This reminds me of that extremely horrible ruler in Uganda, I think in the 1900s. His name was Idi Amin. I read about him in history.
If this person, who is running for Mayor, trying to make it a law or say in his town, that a woman cannot put their baby up for adoption, succeeds, he'd be considered as a bad mayor because maybe those mothers could not afford to keep and raise their babies. I know mothers intend to try to give their child or children the best childhood that they can have.
No, the reasons for abortion isn't only, I don't want the kid, but also I don't want to ruin my body right now. Pregnancy is a risk and it takes a heavy tool on the female body. Men can have an opinion and a right to voice it, but in the end its her choice alone. And who are all these people that should adopt all unwanted babies. I don't think there is a so high demand for adoption to cover all unwanted babies, if these kind of thing became standard.
I disagree with his view on abortion, and there are no 20-week exceptions from the pro-life side of the aisle; he's trying to meet in the middle on an issue that there really isn't any true middle ground on, so more than likely he's alienating everyone rather than winning people over.
The final say is mother's. Men can have all sorts of opinions for all we care. But whether the baby's coming or not is totally, in the end, her final say. If she doesn't want motherhood, she can get the job done even after few months lol.
It'd be just wiser realise you're pregnant ASAP if you are, for abortion choice alone.
I don't understand how someone can be pro-life with exceptions. It's hypocritical to say the unborn child is important, but then define exceptions where it's not important. IMHO, one must be either for abortion up to viability or totally against it, and I respect each individual who follows that.
I do not agree. This woman's body can have an abortion at any time. She can have an abortion on a baby she doesn't want as she wants. Now take your hand off the female body. People who are cut off as lions when it comes to circumcision still continue to produce theories when it comes to abortion. ✋🏻
Lol that's insane. I wonder why only American women cry about that. Abortion is not even a topic in Europe since everyone knows that aborting is completely unethical after a couple of weeks. Ridiculous.
Abortion should ONLY be available in cases of danger to the mothers life or validated incest/rape cases.
Not as a means of birth control for stupid choices, poor decisions, drunken mistakes, regret, etc.
Women should be held responsible for their choices BEFORE conception.
It's scary how Americans see their religion as a selling point at elections
@purplepoppy it is crazy how their society is heavily based on religion.
@ChrisMaster69 Every long-lasting organized society in human history has been based on religion. It's a fundamental organizing point for human existence.
@TheSpartan yeah just some are more fuckwits than others.
The US does not have to worry about long lasting though
@ChrisMaster69 I'm not sure what the first statement is supposed to mean, but I can sort of agree with the latter statement insofar as there's not a single Western country aside from Israel (a religiously-based state) is going to last in the long-term demographically.
@TheSpartan you mean like Greece, Rome etc 😂
Fuckwits the usual religious fuckwits that look to a book to tell them right from wrong.
Great around 2 AD, not when we live in a modern world.
@ChrisMaster69 I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say, but both the Italian states and Byzantium were extremely powerful well until the end of the Middle Ages (the latter, ofc, steadily falling from prominence after the High Middle Ages).
@TheSpartan whatever.
@ChrisMaster69 I have literally no idea what you're trying to say.
@TheSpartan. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Read this joker’s GoFundMe, especially his “platform” (which does not include abortion or religion, as the former came out in a tweet) and his updates. He’s pandering but getting no traction. He’s raised $40 out of a target $100K. Note the GFM has been inactive for over a week.
www.gofundme.com/.../JasonForOffice2022
@TheSpartan. As a matter of course I avoid religious discussion or debate. It goes nowhere. I live smack in the heart of conservative country, but contrary to how the media and social media portrays us, it leaves me shaking my head.
@TheSpartan. How so?
Religion does not have to be about some invisible man in the sky. I don’t believe in god but I do read the Bible. When you think about it… isn’t it really just a set of ideals with which foundation is built upon? Every single line in the Bible can be interpreted as a valuable lesson…
For instance… let he whom had not sinned cast the first stone… a lesson on hypocrisy.
The commandments… we couldn’t thrive in a society that allowed men to chase other men’s wives, murder and theft to run rampant.
Religion is just a set of circumstances that gives society the best chance to thrive with small differences between them… for instance who is it most religions can murder, rape, suicide, theft, etc?
@VanillaSalt Yes, very well said.
@SaoirseS I might have been a little uncharitable here, and I apologize for that. I need to work on my attitude sometimes. However, if you're curious about what I mean, you should try listening to or reading An Open Letter to Open-minded Progressives by Mencius Moldbug. It's a rather enlightening read.
No. I am in favor of abortion when the mother's life is at risk (and that includes suicide). That's it. No time tables, no needing to prove rape. If she's at risk, then it's better to save her life than to risk losing both.
My atheist viewpoint is abortion past the point the fetus has a beating heart is too late! You have known for way too long and had long enough time to decide! If I killed, you and that baby dies I would be charged for its death you should be also!
Yet more 6th century thinking from a 3rd world religious dictatorship.
Leave it to medical and legal to decide, religion has fuck all to do with it.
I don’t like abortion. I think it’s a barbaric practice. However, the libertarian in me isn’t comfortable forcing my morality on someone else by force of law…. especially when it doesn’t affect me at all.
You don't feel the disturbance in the Force?
I wish there were more people like you, anon! 😀
Except doesn’t having adverts to abortion decrease the cost of promiscuity?
Having abortion reduces the cost of abortion.
No, and I'm getting so sick of politicians with their heads in the sand thinking they should be allowed to rule other people's bodies!
He is a guy. He probably knows little about women, and even less about pregnancy and abortion. Let him stick to guys' issues!
I don’t have huge issue with 20 week bans. 99% of abortions are done before then. What I do mind is idiotic thinking that some bureaucrat should decide whether there’s enough evidence a woman should or shouldn’t be allowed an abortion.
I would have to do more research on what he said. People tend to only tell you what they want you to hear and not the whole story. And I know nothing of this guy.
Go to his gofundme and paypal
gofundme. com/f/JasonForOffice2022
paypal. com/pools/c/8GF34AaQZC
No, I don't agree; abortion should be banned in all circumstances *except* for dire threat to the mother's life and limb. In all other cases, it should be punished by public flogging and execution for maximum deterrence.
I may not believe in abortion unless there's a rape, but I don't want this asswipe telling women what to do with their bodies, either. Just like I don't want some government boot licker democrat telling me to take a vaccine that doesn't work 4 times
No, my body, their body their choice.
Consult your partner if you wish or don't.
It's really up to you!
Men do whatever the hell they want with tbeirs
@WonderBell99 Well it obviously affects the baby, lol. Why your rights are more important than those of the baby. However, the vaccine also does not affect anyone. It is obvious that vaccines do not protect against virus transmission, vaccinated people are not safer than unvaccinated ones, as 95% of vaccinated countries have records of new infections every day.
@tar12 - what if the mother is homeless? Would you want the baby to grow up homeless as well?
- what if the mom has psychotic episodes? Would you want the baby to live in a household that could potentially be abusive to the baby?
- a mother must be physically and mentally ready to carry the baby up to term. If abortions are made illegal, many would switch to illegal and unsafe methods.
- Vaccines help in weakening your symptoms. I don’t get it, im not forcing anyone to take the jab, but why are people so against it? Why are they making a big deal out of this?
@WonderBell99 Oh, come on. The child can be given up for adoption. There are many coulpes who cannot have biological children and would be happy to adopt.
As for vaccines, they have not been tested enough, they are obviously not effective enough and it is still unclear whether there will be any side effects in the long run. Vaccination should be a conscious choice of each person, not something done under duress. But some people want to force everyone to do what they think is right. And weird why these are the same people who always repeat "my body is my choice" or "it's none of your business" on other issues.
@tar12 If you believe vaccines are a person’s conscious choice, then why dont you think abortion is the mom’s choice either? If you’re really concerned about the baby’s life, why don’t you adopt it?
Do you even know how shitty the condition of foster care/adoption system is? Do your research. Some women keep the baby when they’re not ready to raise it, and don’t give it up for adoption either. They take out their anger and resentment on the kid and it grows up traumatized. Like why do you care so much about another person’s life? Do you even know their circumstance? You’re not the one who’s gonna carry the child for 9 months.
@WonderBell99 Well, everyone is responsible for their actions. If a woman is in a position to become pregnant without wanting to, she must take responsibility for the baby. This, of course, excludes the case of rape, because then the pregnancy is not her fault. I firmly believe that people in today's society, in addition to their rights, must take care of their responsibilities also. And when they have done something stupid and immoral, to be ready to bear the consequences of their actions, and not always to get away and present themselves as victims.
@tar12 Girl, do you even hear yourself? 🥴
Is this about the baby having a safe, secure childhood or the mother not taking up accountability? Having a baby is a life altering decision. Condoms are only 80% effective. It takes two to tango. Remember that. But ultimately, it’s the mother who has to go through changes in her body.
Having sex is immoral? Bruh what century do you even live in? Sexuality is a part of human nature.
I’m pretty sure it’s not even about the baby at this point. If you TRULY cared about the mother and the baby’s well-being you wouldn’t be saying all this.
@WonderBell99 Oh, obviously we have different views. I'm generally pro-life and I don't want to apologize for that. But not in all cases - for example, in the case of rape, I am strongly in favor of the woman's right to decide. And yes, of course it's not just about the mother and the baby - it's never just about that. It is also about some values, about what message we send to young women. I do not think that people who are strongly pro-abortion send a good message to young women. And I don't think they're doing them a favor.
No it's actually the laws who decide what you can do. Obviously.
@wonderbell99 your argument is the child will suffer so we should allow the parent to end it? So what if your mother felt right now that whatever you would have accomplished will never excuse the suffering you’ll have to live with and decided to kill you? What if at 7 while you were still reliant on her she decided you weren’t worth the resources?
Nobody supports a woman being FORCED into pregnancy this rape is illegal and most feel very aggressive about it. But was she forced? She knew the risks and was willing to take em and 9 months later there you were. At what point is your suffering vs your future no longer your mothers choice to weigh? When your no longer reliant on her? When you can think for yourself? At heartbeat? At conception? No… it’s at the point she weighed the risks and decided to spread her legs and allow a man inside her. At that point it became a terrible crime to abort that baby. Plan B should be the absolute limit outside rape/incest, which accounts for approximately 1.5% of all abortions together on the highest end by the way, and serious risk of harm to the mothers life. Every life could be a future president, astronaut, genius, or even a simpleton with a sudden brilliant idea for curing cancer… regardless every life, no matter the degree of suffering and hardship, is more valuable then any feelings that any person even a mother has about that life.
@tar12 We are NOT pro-abortionists. We’re pro-choice. We believe that the woman should have the complete authority. I don’t ‘encourage’ abortions. If a woman believes that she is not mentally/emotionally/financially prepared to raise a kid, and out of her own conscious choice, IF she wishes to abort knowing the consequences, then she must have the right to do so. You cannot force someone to carry a baby. That’s ludicrous
@WonderBell99 you act like pregnancy is something that just comes spontaneously without doing anything.
@Frauensindobjekte It takes two to tango. It’s not just the woman’s responsibility.
Besides, I’m not surprised by your reply, your username says a lot about you. 🙄
@WonderBell99 so the woman is the only one who should decide but it's not only her responsibility? Makes sense.
No. No abortion period, unless the life of the mother is in serious danger.
No, I don't agree. It's up to the pregnant woman... not the rest of the world. If this was happening to men, there would be drive through abortion clinics everywhere. You would see ads on TV and the Internet.
You're completely delusional
@devoygf They do that anyway...
@Frauensindobjekte Yeah, you are one of the animals who think women are just incubators with no rights.. even incest and rape... They should just shut up and take it, right? Let's see what you think when it's your daughter, sister, wife or mother...
Lul wtf
I think it’s a person’s right to have an abortion. I don’t think the state has anything to do with this.
Why would a redundant medical procedure be a right? That's insane.
@Frauensindobjekte Well it’s securing one’s right to their own bodies. I don’t think anyone should have to have that burden.
The constitution has never required people to give evidence before exercising their constitutional rights. So no, obviously I don't agree with Jason Hadad.
It’s her body she has the right to do what she wants just like I have the right to walk away and have
I'm in favour of abortion when mother's life is risked or there's a serious threat to her health. Abortion on request is just selfish.
So is private healthcare, what's your point?
Nope, he can go choke on a shit stick.
Is she can't afford the adoption fee, just pay the fee for her, like Obamacare.
Forget anything, this just seems like a bureaucratic hell.
I love how some people seem to think proving shit is free and costs no time as well.
Our body our choice our rules. Stay mad about that. You could never change that.
I am a "man", I do not dictate rules for how women deal with "Women's issues"
I mean its a step in the right direction. Better than all the alternatives id bet.
That's retarded, let woman do what they want with their bodies
It's not only their bodies. No developed country let's women do what they want. That would be unethical. Obviously. Smoking and drinking during pregnancy should be illegal.
why do men decide what should happen to a woman's body
Why do women decide what happens to a men's body?
Contraception and fax mandates
@VanillaSalt
what contraception
its your choice to put a condom on
Nope, ultimately it is a question of state Vs individual authority.
Disagree. I’m extremely pro-choice
No, I believe in pro-choice
it should be decided 100% by the father
No, bodily autonomy is a thing.
How many states have those safe haven laws?
no. It should be murder
Nope.
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