Do you agree with Jason Haddad that women should only get strict evidence-based abortions less than 20 weeks into their pregnancy?

[CertifiedHandsomity]

Video-based semi-picture grabbed from TikTok

Here is Republican mayoral candidate Jason Haddad speaking about abortion. He is, in his own words, "pro-life with the exception of when it comes to evidence that the pregnant woman cannot afford to hand the baby away for adoption AND the cause was assault and must also be planned before the 20-week stage would ever have completed."

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He is running for Mayor of Pasadena, CA.

[Anonymous]

People and especially women can't seem to accept a simple science lesson they were taught as kids:
It. takes. two. to. make. a. baby.

This whole idea of women having the ONLY say in the matter is bullshit. We did not decide who gets pregnant and who doesn't it has always been women. It does not mean they should be entitled to anything the father which is an indispensable component of the pregnacy isn't entitled to.

Like what the actual fuck? This has always been unfair and needs to be stopped. It's not even about life or choice it's about fairness of outcome.

A woman can keep a baby and force the father into child support even if he didn't want said baby.
Or she can abort the baby and deny the father his own child even if he wanted to be a father.

I say make it fair: no father gets forced into child support and can only apply for it willingly. And it takes 2 consenting parents to have an abortion.

Women may not like losing so much power but it is the only way this is fair.

[VanillaSalt]

I want to be pro choice… but people make bad choices. Even one woman using abortion as contraception is too much. It’s murder in my eyes. At what point do we take accountability?


Fact is skipping the bullshit that is religion… sex should be control by women and hidden behind the gates of commitment! It makes better men. Men that women want to be with. And if a woman’s not what men want then they won’t commit for sex… it makes women be what men want… this fuckfest we got going on is breaking dating and society. I supported abortion in the 90s as “safe, legal, and rare”. But we got people bragging about it. That’s like when the nazis bragged about what they did to the Jews! The Jews were less then human so they killed them!!! To some it was funny to others it broke them. Abortions no different.


Sometimes you have to choose between lives. It’s supposed to be a hard decision not a side errand between picking up your dog from the groomers and grabbing McDonald’s. Women were given an opportunity to keep abortion and they fucking ran with it. You can argue killing someone under the right circumstances is just so why isn’t murder legal? Bad people did bad things and now everyone that kills must prove the death was necessary… why not abortion as well?

[SaoirseS]

Give me a break. This guy is a pissant wannabe out looking for money. For starters, he can't seem to figure out what he is (maybe I'm Republican, but maybe I'm Libertarian). And golly gee, from his latest updates looks like the idea of running for mayor is out of reach until maybe later, so maybe run for state legislature. He's all over the map. Does anyone really think a guy running on a scrambled platform in famously liberal Southern California is going to make it? I understand he's pretty good fodder for bashing and non-Americans love to use things like this to bash the United States, but for fuck's sake nobody - Americans included - takes this guy seriously. Since he's managed to raise a whopping $40 over the past 17 or so days out of $100,000 I'd say he's not worth the time it took me to write this post.

[Anonymous]

What do mean when you say “evidence based” abortion? Evidence based on what? Your opinion? What if a woman’s doctor says she need an abortion for health reason, but somebody else comes along and says it’s not necessary? Who decides if her life is worthy of saving, or worth the risk to her health and life?
Obviously, we can’t allow the woman to make the choice for herself. Pro-Life people don’t like it when women get to do that?
So who? Who is better than I to make choices for my life?
The Mayor? 🤣😂

[Frauensindobjekte]

Have women only now heard of the concept of laws?

[Opinion Owner]

@Frauensindobjekte
What now?

[MzAsh]

He’s in for a disappointment because he doesn’t have the authority on this matter, no matter how badly he wishes he did.

[TheSpartan]

The reality is that people with the ability to exert power can do whatever they'd like.

[MzAsh]

Yes, and there’s only one carrier of the fetus who can exert (or choose not to) exert.

[TheSpartan]

You're not following: I'm saying that a governing authority can force you do to do whatever you want, period, regardless of whether or not they should have that authority or not. That's reality.

[MzAsh]

Not when it comes to abortion.

[TheSpartan]

I don't know what that's supposed to mean.

[VanillaSalt]

MzAsh… if you were raped and locked up for a year… could you abort? That’s what Spartans saying. Power is power and even if he’s not supposed to be able to do it he can… and it’s possible he won’t be disciplined until after you’ve had the baby leaving you without choices.

[MzAsh]

Yes you can definitely still abort.

[VanillaSalt]

So without a doctor unable to flee and unable to move you can abort?

[MzAsh]

Yes.

[VanillaSalt]

How tf you gone manage that.

[Berethor]

Abortion for the most part outlawed in poland, so yea it's the authorities who decide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland

[tar12]

No one can stop you from doing something you have decided to do, but they can punish you for it.

[MzAsh]

Only if they catch you.

[MzAsh]

The woman is the ONLY authority here.

[loveslongnails]

Wait - don't you mean the woman cannot afford to KEEP the baby? How can you not afford to give it up for adoption? Anyway, no I don't agree with him. What I agree with is "men should stay out of women's uteruses".

First, I'll state that by and large, I think abortions aren't the best choice, but I do think it's a better choice than bringing an unwanted child into the world. Those of you who will scream "put it up for adoption" need to be reminded - only 62% of newborns (in the USA) are adopted within a month of birth. The other 38% spend time in foster homes where the average age of adoption is 7.7 years. Let's not even bring up racial disparities at this point.

Republicans by and large are totally two-faced on this issue. They claim to champion "less government and more individual choice" - EXCEPT when it comes to abortion. On that issue, they know what's best and the only choice they want you to have is THEIR choice. They say "we're protecting the innocent unborn who can't do it themselves" at the same moment they vote "NO" on bills to help single, impoverished or low-income mothers get economic help because of deadbeat dads. Then they turn around and vote "NO" again when a day care bill comes up which would allow the mother to attend school or learn a trade so she could support herself and the child.

And the final insult being "well, you should have thought about all this before you got pregnant", while saying "NO" to free or very low cost contraceptives in middle/high schools. "Well these kids shouldn't be having sex, and it's the parents' job to teach them that". The only positive thing I can say is Haddad's recommendation is a small step in the right direction, but that's it.

[Mango-man]

I am pro-choice with consequences unless it affects third party. And pregnancy doesn't happen from nothing. It requires two adults to make their CHOICE and affects the

You are free to choose to have sex, with the consequence of potential pregnancy. Was the sex consensual? Yes? Then you both already made your choice. And the consequence for women is potential pregnancy, while for men it is potential 18 years of payment for the child.

Abortions should be reserved only for women who didn't get the opportunity to FREELY CHOOSE to have sex (rape victims) or if it directly endangers the life of the to-be-mother.

[TheorionMage]

Are YOU willing to sign iron-clad court ordered & enforced child support for 18 years?
If YOU say 'no' then why the hell didn't you use a condom,, asshat!
WHO ARE YOU to obligate her to be bound for the next EIGHTEEN YEARS !
EVERY time YOU ejaculate and YOUR spermatozoa don't find an Ovum,
millions of YOUR potential 'kids' are naturally-aborted.

DON'T breed 'em, if YOU aren't there to FEED 'em, 'Stud'~

[VanillaSalt]

Female condoms are much stronger, more reliable, and feel better… why didn’t she? What about the pill? The insert? Plan b? Most contraception is on the women’s side.

SHE chose for herself when she stopped for the purpose of a good time… it takes two to make a baby it’s time we have some accountability. Sperm isn’t human.

And 80% of divorce cases that involve children will give the mother privacy or sole custody. Both sides deny the children a parent…

[Youryeodongsaeng]

This reminds me of that extremely horrible ruler in Uganda, I think in the 1900s. His name was Idi Amin. I read about him in history.

If this person, who is running for Mayor, trying to make it a law or say in his town, that a woman cannot put their baby up for adoption, succeeds, he'd be considered as a bad mayor because maybe those mothers could not afford to keep and raise their babies. I know mothers intend to try to give their child or children the best childhood that they can have.

[Adam1978]

No, the reasons for abortion isn't only, I don't want the kid, but also I don't want to ruin my body right now. Pregnancy is a risk and it takes a heavy tool on the female body. Men can have an opinion and a right to voice it, but in the end its her choice alone. And who are all these people that should adopt all unwanted babies. I don't think there is a so high demand for adoption to cover all unwanted babies, if these kind of thing became standard.

[BCA6010]

I disagree with his view on abortion, and there are no 20-week exceptions from the pro-life side of the aisle; he's trying to meet in the middle on an issue that there really isn't any true middle ground on, so more than likely he's alienating everyone rather than winning people over.

[tar12]

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[anon1903]

The final say is mother's. Men can have all sorts of opinions for all we care. But whether the baby's coming or not is totally, in the end, her final say. If she doesn't want motherhood, she can get the job done even after few months lol.

It'd be just wiser realise you're pregnant ASAP if you are, for abortion choice alone.

[AviatorTom]

I don't understand how someone can be pro-life with exceptions. It's hypocritical to say the unborn child is important, but then define exceptions where it's not important. IMHO, one must be either for abortion up to viability or totally against it, and I respect each individual who follows that.

[Anonymous]

I do not agree. This woman's body can have an abortion at any time. She can have an abortion on a baby she doesn't want as she wants. Now take your hand off the female body. People who are cut off as lions when it comes to circumcision still continue to produce theories when it comes to abortion. ✋🏻

[devoygf]

if so then the father can leave if he don't want the baby

[Frauensindobjekte]

Lol that's insane. I wonder why only American women cry about that. Abortion is not even a topic in Europe since everyone knows that aborting is completely unethical after a couple of weeks. Ridiculous.

[devoygf]

it's not insane , same logic

[Frauensindobjekte]

@devoygf ah yes killing a baby isn't insane ok.

[devoygf]

@Frauensindobjekte it's insane

[devoygf]

I thought you were saying the father can't leave if he want

[LogicBomber]

Abortion should ONLY be available in cases of danger to the mothers life or validated incest/rape cases.

Not as a means of birth control for stupid choices, poor decisions, drunken mistakes, regret, etc.

Women should be held responsible for their choices BEFORE conception.

[purplepoppy]

It's scary how Americans see their religion as a selling point at elections

[ChrisMaster69]

@purplepoppy it is crazy how their society is heavily based on religion.

[TheSpartan]

@ChrisMaster69 Every long-lasting organized society in human history has been based on religion. It's a fundamental organizing point for human existence.

[ChrisMaster69]

@TheSpartan yeah just some are more fuckwits than others.

The US does not have to worry about long lasting though

[TheSpartan]

@ChrisMaster69 I'm not sure what the first statement is supposed to mean, but I can sort of agree with the latter statement insofar as there's not a single Western country aside from Israel (a religiously-based state) is going to last in the long-term demographically.

[SaoirseS]

Except this clown isn’t about religion, and the majority of us separate church and state. If you want a laugh, read his platform and updates on his GoFundMe. He’s insignificant.

[ChrisMaster69]

@TheSpartan you mean like Greece, Rome etc 😂

Fuckwits the usual religious fuckwits that look to a book to tell them right from wrong.

Great around 2 AD, not when we live in a modern world.

[TheSpartan]

@SaoirseS the issue of abortion is only tangentially related to Christianity, and it's actually not quite true that there's a separation of church and state. On the contrary, progressivism is the USA's state religion.

[TheSpartan]

@ChrisMaster69 I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say, but both the Italian states and Byzantium were extremely powerful well until the end of the Middle Ages (the latter, ofc, steadily falling from prominence after the High Middle Ages).

[ChrisMaster69]

@TheSpartan whatever.

[TheSpartan]

@ChrisMaster69 I have literally no idea what you're trying to say.

[SaoirseS]

@TheSpartan. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Read this joker’s GoFundMe, especially his “platform” (which does not include abortion or religion, as the former came out in a tweet) and his updates. He’s pandering but getting no traction. He’s raised $40 out of a target $100K. Note the GFM has been inactive for over a week.

www.gofundme.com/.../JasonForOffice2022

[TheSpartan]

@SaoirseS The guy is obviously a meme, but the main thing I take objection to is this delusion surrounding the role of religion in American society promoted by progs like poppy.

[SaoirseS]

@TheSpartan. As a matter of course I avoid religious discussion or debate. It goes nowhere. I live smack in the heart of conservative country, but contrary to how the media and social media portrays us, it leaves me shaking my head.

[TheSpartan]

@SaoirseS That's a fair policy, but my guess is who you actually think has the power in America is probably topsy turvy.

[SaoirseS]

@TheSpartan. How so?

[tar12]

@ChrisMaster69 In general, religion is the foundation of a successful society. When the influence of religion begins to diminish, society begins to disintegrate, and then the decline of a civilization begins. Today's Western societies, including the US, are a great example of this.

[tar12]

I do not see what the problem is, in the United States most people are Christians, and Christians want to vote for Christians to represent and defend their values and views in government. Isn't that the idea of elections? We choose people to represent us, to do what we would do.

[VanillaSalt]

Religion does not have to be about some invisible man in the sky. I don’t believe in god but I do read the Bible. When you think about it… isn’t it really just a set of ideals with which foundation is built upon? Every single line in the Bible can be interpreted as a valuable lesson…

For instance… let he whom had not sinned cast the first stone… a lesson on hypocrisy.
The commandments… we couldn’t thrive in a society that allowed men to chase other men’s wives, murder and theft to run rampant.

Religion is just a set of circumstances that gives society the best chance to thrive with small differences between them… for instance who is it most religions can murder, rape, suicide, theft, etc?

[tar12]

@VanillaSalt Yes, very well said.

[TheSpartan]

@SaoirseS I might have been a little uncharitable here, and I apologize for that. I need to work on my attitude sometimes. However, if you're curious about what I mean, you should try listening to or reading An Open Letter to Open-minded Progressives by Mencius Moldbug. It's a rather enlightening read.

[TheSpartan]

@tar12 Yeah, I have no problem with it, either. If a Muslim-majority country wants to pass laws reflecting their deepest moral values, then why would I have problems with that?

[Leonharted]

No. I am in favor of abortion when the mother's life is at risk (and that includes suicide). That's it. No time tables, no needing to prove rape. If she's at risk, then it's better to save her life than to risk losing both.

[josephinelcajon]

My atheist viewpoint is abortion past the point the fetus has a beating heart is too late! You have known for way too long and had long enough time to decide! If I killed, you and that baby dies I would be charged for its death you should be also!

[ChrisMaster69]

Yet more 6th century thinking from a 3rd world religious dictatorship.

Leave it to medical and legal to decide, religion has fuck all to do with it.

[Anonymous]

I don’t like abortion. I think it’s a barbaric practice. However, the libertarian in me isn’t comfortable forcing my morality on someone else by force of law…. especially when it doesn’t affect me at all.

[Jamie05rhs]

You don't feel the disturbance in the Force?

[NopeWhatTime]

I wish there were more people like you, anon! 😀

[VanillaSalt]

Except doesn’t having adverts to abortion decrease the cost of promiscuity?

[VanillaSalt]

Having abortion reduces the cost of abortion.

[NopeWhatTime]

No, and I'm getting so sick of politicians with their heads in the sand thinking they should be allowed to rule other people's bodies!

[Jessica405]

He is a guy. He probably knows little about women, and even less about pregnancy and abortion. Let him stick to guys' issues!

[OddBeMe]

I don’t have huge issue with 20 week bans. 99% of abortions are done before then. What I do mind is idiotic thinking that some bureaucrat should decide whether there’s enough evidence a woman should or shouldn’t be allowed an abortion.

[Neilbud]

I would have to do more research on what he said. People tend to only tell you what they want you to hear and not the whole story. And I know nothing of this guy.

[CertifiedHandsomity]

Go to his gofundme and paypal

gofundme. com/f/JasonForOffice2022
paypal. com/pools/c/8GF34AaQZC