Who do you trust more out of these two choices?

[Juxtapose]

I will say a few things about each choice.

Rogan: he has a wonderful format where he spends 3 hours deeply interviewing people. He seems to have integrity for now but the pressures of his popularity could eventually corrupt him.

CNN: they have done some good work on stories that do not have conflict of interest for them but they are deeply married to the state to the point where I would say CNN is a major propaganda apparatus of the US government.

Personally I trust Rogan, a LOT more but I would like to know your thoughts!

And I swear to God if anybody here blocks me I don't care if it gets my question taken down, I'm going to blast your name in an update for everybody to see.

Joe Rogan

CNN

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I am curious, if you believe Joe Rogan is alt-right, why do you think so?

And good job so far on not blocking each other or blocking me. I am so proud of you guys for valuing free speech this time! If anybody gets blocked on any of my questions, DM me the proof and I will sound off on them.

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Shout-out to incel (those are literally the last five letters in his username) for blocking me. I'm not going to post his full name because I think he's trying to get this question taken down.

He said: "Literally just because you were a little bitch about this.. *blocks*"

[LikeALog]

CNN has a credibility problem and their ratings show it.

Rogan was a Bernie supporter. I guess that make him a bit of a liberal. From what I've seen, he has guests with various opinions. Some agree with the positions pushed by MSM, others disagree with those positions. I seems to me the big issue is people not wanting to hear opposing viewpoints and people that don't understand that opposing viewpoints are just that, viewpoints.

[jahaims]

I've watched every episode of Rogans podcast, so thousands of hours. When he makes a mistake he tries to correct it. CNN gets caught lying and doubles down.

[jahaims]

Not even close to alt right lol

[Juxtapose]

Agreed! I have watched him for hours and have not seen a hint of him really politicizing anything.

[jahaims]

He talks about politics all the time and even gives his opinion.

[Juxtapose]

I mean he doesn't really take a side like CNN does.

[jahaims]

Expressing his belief is taking a side. I think I get what you are saying but you are just articulating it poorly.

[ShadezMcgee]

I will take Rogan over CNN any day of the week. Not because I think he is right or super intelligent, but because I like his simple and practical takes on subjects he discusses. They are his opinions and that is something a lot of people dislike about him. They disagree with his personality and opinions more than anything.

Take the Spotify controversy as of late with artists not having their music wanted on the platform because they don't want it affiliated with a group that supports Rogan by playing him all because of his take on COVID-19, nevermind CNN legitimately slandering what he said and doctoring his social media clips to make him look worse when he caught it. I don't even know who these musicians are personally as I never heard of them and could care less. I personally think they are being a bunch of candyasses over a matter of opinion. The ego involved with it is ridiculous as well.

CNN used to be good and up front decades ago, but now it is very evident that they are politically biased towards the left and what the left views. Let's think about some controversy with them in the past year. One producer charged with CP, Jeff Toobin jerking it live on air, Chris Cuomo getting fired for supporting his brother Andrew Cuomo over sexual harrassment charges he was convicted on, Don Lemon with sexual assault in a bar in New York back in 2018, Kyle Rittenhouse story misinformation, etc.

The difference between these two is one is a mainstream outlet for credible information that should be able to be trusted by the American people while the other is opinion based and a man who is a comedian, entertainer, commentator and fighter. I would much rather have a beer and shoot the shit with Rogan than sit through one minute of Brian Stelter's punchable face.

News networks need major accountability held to them because of the influence they have over people and who go to them for the upfront facts. Not bias or misinformation to shape a narrative or sway people to believe specific things that may be factually incorrect. If caught in a lie, they should lose any credibility, especially if there is blatant evidence to back it.

I will leave a link here to another personal opinion on why this is dangerous shit. Whether people choose to look at it or not I don't care. But if you choose to watch, look at it with an open mind.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/jIYBod0ge3Y

Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/embed/PZojlidqhcM

[Miristheiss]

I've listened to Rogan many times.
Trust?
He has a dialogue and talks with his guests... I hear the conversation in its full context and I understand what their views are. Some I may agree with some not... some I may agree with his interviewee and some with him.

CNN... they've been caught in so many lies and half truths and false agendas... I don't believe anything they say for the most part. I know almost every guess or commentator has their agenda oozing out of everything they say.

I don't "trust" Rogan... he isn't giving news... but I know he is honest and intellectually curious and open minded and listens and has dialogue with others and is eager to learn and ask questions.
CNN just dictates news and labels people and situations and tells us what to think.

They told us the little high school kid was a racist and was attacking some Indian guy pounding a drum. They got him threatened and vilified. The actual full video shows he didn't do anything and that the Indian walk across the entire courtyard and walked up to the kid and stood in his face playing the drum.

They had an agenda and only showed what they needed to spin the story how they wanted and told you what was going on and told you what was in the kids heart. They lied. That is one of 100 examples.
I think CNN is evil and corrupt.

[RealMarek]

I believe that Rogan is clearly more trustworthy than CNN. CNN pretends to be a source of news but is actually a propaganda outlet. Rogan does not pretend to be a source of news, or anything really, other than an entertainer who does long-format interviews with a lot of different people (some unconventional). Note that trustworthiness does not mean that someone is always correct. No one person is knowledgeable about all things, but having an army of “fact checkers” and reporters all from the same social strata and background with strong biases is perhaps worse if one wants the truth.

The fact that the elites want to censor unorthodox opinions instead of debate them is a sign of the intellectual fragility and insecurity of the current elites. They have never been so thoroughly hated by wide swaths of the population as they are now. By censoring opinions, whether or not they are incorrect, they actually confer legitimacy to those opinions and make the “acceptable” opinion seem unable to stand the test of argumentation. They also drive their opposition underground, where their opinions, for better or worse, are more apt to fester in an ideological echo chamber.

[AmandaYVR]

No offence, Juxtapose, but this question is ridiculous.

You are pitting one man against an entire organization of journalists.

One man was a pro wrestler, and eat-gross-things reality show, and the other has hundreds of career professionals who spend their entire work life trying to research, investigate, and report, current events.

CNN is imperfect, without question. But I'll take a NEWS ORGANIZATION over any individual person. My god.

And P. S. I don't watch CNN. I wasn't willing to pay money for any news cable shows.
And I have listened to Rogen. I'm very, very, familiar with him.
I don't dislike or distrust Rogen. But he makes mistakes too. He needs improvement on his interview techniques, and he knows just a small portion of the things there are to know out there. I applaud him for his effort, his openmindedness, and his comedy. End of kudos. He is not the prophet that many men believe him to be. That is just lunacy, and speaks more of those minds than Joe's. Joe has just admitted that he is becoming quite uncomfortable with his position, power, and responsibility. I've been waiting for him to say this. Yes, Joe, it is a GREAT RESPONSIBILITY. Now please try not to fuck it up.

[Juxtapose]

Well the thing is, it is an entire news organization that has been compromised. CNN, well I have watched them, and I have watched other people meticulously dissect what they say and reveal how CNN maliciously edits things.

Did you know that CNN edited a clip of Joe Rogan to make him look more sickly?

[Juxtapose]

CNN is essentially a propaganda outlet of the USA government.

[Juxtapose]

They also lied about ivermectin. Ivermectin is listed as an essential medicine and only one of its many purposes is to treat horses and you have to treat them in the correct dose.

Ivermectin can treat covid as in early measure among other things but CNN lied to everybody by saying it is just horse-paste and if you take it you are some lunatic.

[Juxtapose]

*as an early

[DaveJord]

Only network news show i watch is HLN, Head Line News. No pundits or commentaries... just a run down of daily head lines.

CNN, FOX, and rest are pros at astrorurfing. But putting all your trust and faith in a single source is not advisable either.

[AmandaYVR]

There's no proof that Ivermectin kills covid. Yes, the dosing is critical and humans are not horses! But the main issue is that it is a de-wormer. That's a completely different medical issue than a virus.
And Rogan later concluded, "I was an idiot."
This is just another conspiracy theory where people trump up this idea that governments have solutions, but they choose to withhold them, for ulterior motives, such as they want to kill a huge percentage of the population.
It's fear-mongering and it is lunacy.

I agree, most of the U. S. cable news networks deal in some form of propaganda.
CNN's reputation is trashed now. Once they became a 24-hr news network, everything changed. They now had to generate enough copy to keep peoples' eyes on them, and that's ridiculous. People have lives to live, they do not need to sit and watch news all day. It created sensationalism, long-winded analyses with little actual new information, and endless on-air personalities who give more opinion than fact.

I saw some headline about CNN editing Rogan but I don't know the details and I don't really care, honestly. There's editing everywhere. You can't eliminate it. Oh wait... you can if you give a guy millions of bucks and don't have a fixed time period for the podcasts, and just let the interviewee run their mouth for three hours. They're ridiculously too long and he doesn't know how to counter many of the claims and lies the guest says. (Like the asshole doctor who continues to claim that he is THE inventory of mRNAs, which is patently false. And yes, I mean patently. Asshole.) It's not Joe's fault. He's not a reporter, not a doctor, not a journalist. He's doing the best he can. But jesus christ he's not a prophet.

And I'll take CNN any day over POS Fox. They're the most despicable of all.

@DaveJord Yeah they're fine. Repeats too much, and not enough depth, but at least it's straight news, no filler.

[Juxtapose]

Damn you bought the lies about Dr Robert Malone as well? He is widely accredited with laying the foundation for the mRNA technology and he has nine other patents.

He is smeared by big pharma and it is despicable what they are saying about Dr Robert Malone.

[AmandaYVR]

I watched his interview. He's a slick salesman but I saw through his techniques.

I did my own research after that. Those 9 patents are not relevant. He is LYING. There is ample evidence. People have been snowed by him. He's got a god complex.

It is not big pharma that has "smeared" him. It's people in the industry, peers.

[Juxtapose]

Biden's strategy of vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is a disaster and I can explain why. ↗

Could you please tell me if you think his statements there are unreasonable? I think they summarize how he feels about vaccines and their implementation right now.

[DaveJord]

I think Rogan has a genuine perspective... we can debate if he is the best or worse source for facts and information. If you are the type of person that likes to come to your own conclusions and not just rely on single source for information then you should consider contradicting points of views from people like Rogan. But you have to have an open minded approach.

Unfortunately I think most people, including myself, have had enough time to reach some conclusion on how they feel about COVID. Any attempt to silence or censer someone should not be tolerated. The people pulling their content from Spotify aren't anyone I give to craps about to begin with, and honestly them pulling doesn't really change anything for me. The media is over hyping it and to some degree trying to put pressure on Spotify to censor Rogan... and yeah to some degree they are being successful. Rogan now Spotify has a appointed a content advisory to assist Rogan.

Disclosure: I do not agree with how COVID has been addressed or handled by the government. I think a lot of that has be influenced by how the media reports it. Pharmaceutical has made 100s of million on the vaccine and the US government had provide over 40 Billion is pre-ordering on the vaccine. So you have to consider the economic influences involved and track the money.

[Snakeyes7]

I honestly have no idea why Rogan is getting all this shit for this. To my knowledge the only sin he has committed was that he had a doctor who had patents on the MRNA technology used to make the vaccines and he happened to speak out against the covid measures saying that they were intended to cause mass psychosis or hysteria or whatever he said it was.

Rogan might have entertained his idea but Rogan was not the one who said it and there was no way he would have known that Dr. Malone was going to say what he said.

[Juxtapose]

I watched that entire 3 hour long podcast and nothing either of them said was disagreeable to me. They just kept knocking the ball out of the park with truth bombs again and again.

[Snakeyes7]

What might sound agreeable to you will definitely sound like wrongthink to others.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah true. There are points of view that I will just not come to ever agree with because it is antithetical to my way of life.

[Snakeyes7]

Right but the difference is you don't want them to become social pariahs, you just don't care what they have to say and that's that.

[CrazyGirl2]

AMEN on the Free speech update! Free speech is paramount to a functioning democracy, and I can’t believe so many of my peers believe the 1A should be scrapped! Im swimming in an ocean of idiots! As for Rogan… I’m not really a big fan of Joe Rogan, I like him, I think he is a very intelligent man, extremely accomplished, and i think he has some very interesting guests and interesting interviews. I also like that he is the only person in the media milieu who still has controversial guests, but I am just not in his target demographic, and most of what he has on his show is not really aimed at 19yo girls who only very rarely smoke pot!

[Oigit]

C) Neither. The truth is that Rogan was a lot more trust-able when he was starting out. The bigger he got the more likely he was to be tempted by money and power. Because of that I trust him just as much as I trust any other mainstream media source. I don't trust him at all. You can't deny that every human can be corrupted and how powerful the allure of money and power is. Anyone that says they can't be corrupted is a fool and more then likely to be corrupted. Simply because they are denying a ingrained truth that they have due to being human.

[normalice]

Joe Rogan and CNN are basically the same entity. Both just there to play the role Colmes had on Hannity and Colmes. Made by the right to misrepresent the left and lose (or at least tie/pretend they have a point) arguments to the right. Remember to a scammer a tie is as good as winning since to not just be shut down outright gives them credibility they wouldn't have access to based purely on the merits of whatever they are selling (which, in the case of the right, is handouts to the rich).

[Juxtapose]

I don't agree but that is an interesting idea.

[Juxtapose]

But keep in mind that Democrats love the rich too.

[normalice]

Some democrats do, sure. Democrats are a "big tent" party, trying to represent everyone. Yes that included poor people but it also includes rich people. This is why all the demands from the left that democrats "play hard ball," and do what republicans do when they have a narrow advantage, fall on deaf ears.

If the Senate was 50 Bernie Sanders and 50 Joe Manchins we would see some real bipartisan policy right down a sensible middle road. But the fact that enough people have been tricked into letting policy-free republicans win control of half the government purely because of identity politics and culture wars only says that, because that's easier to understand than sensible policy, and thats a sufficient reason for people to reject sensible policy, then people dont deserve sensible policies. So, democrats muscling it through like republicans do kind of defeats the purpose. If ever there is a time Republican voters decide they prefer sensible policy over grievance culture, then they need to vote for it.

[OfDeath]

Joe Rogan all day. I've seen his interviews. He never expressed "alt-right views" or "misinformation", that's a complete lie. What he does is let others talk and does his best to remain impartial which, funnily enough is what journalists are supposed to do!

He gets people from both the left, right and everywhere in between on his show and just has conversations with them. It's just an interesting show, there's nothing harmful to society about it.

I'm pretty surprised about all this backlash he's been getting.

[RolandCuthbert]

Dude, you need to seek professional help.

You claim to have an issue with CNN because they are the product of the "state"?

When the state represents your political beliefs, it isn't the state. So why do you pretend you stand on some principle? You stand on your insane backwards politics. Everything you post is about your politics. And you will try to silence any and everyone who disagree with you politically.

BY USING THE STATE.

You are just playing yourself.

[KostasKouvalis]

Joe Rogan, by a long shot. A lot of his views don't come from him, but from his guests, and he doesn't always agree with them 100% of the time either. If people actually took time to listened to his podcasts, you would see that he isn't telling you how think. He invites guests to present different perspectives and opinions on certain subject matter, and allows viewers to form their own conclusion. Unlike CNN and other mainstream journalists who try to pass off their personal opinions as "fact", and shame anyone who challenges them

[DCooper]

Rogan is pretty far left of center politically, based on his actual views and who ho has supported in the past. I find it amusing to watch his fellow travellers yell 'alt right' at him as soon as he hosts someone who expresses a view they consider wrong-think. It's illustrative of just how mindless the progressive zombie horde really is.

[DCooper]

The key difference between Rogan and everyone on CNN is that Rogan is an honest lefty.

[Citizenkirk]

American News broadcast don't necessarily have the best track record for transparency or complete well-informed News broadcasting. My mom is a newspaper journalist and she will be the first to tell you never to trust only one source of information and to diversify your access to multiple news sources as much as possible and to compare them with each other to see where they are consistent and where they differ from each other.

[bolverk]

Rogan - He never tries to intentionally misinform anyone, and he has a history of apologising if he has said anything that was factually incorrect and keeping the story as straight as he can.

CNN on the other hand has a history of intentionally misinforming their viewers and they never issue any retractions if they have been factually incorrect, before they got so wedded to the Democrats POV they did some good reporting, now not so much.

[adidas0169]

1st off each and every member of cnn should be barred from ever reporting on anything ever again and should be brought up on charges on creating violence and creating more divide amongst the people bc there viewers are mindless liberal left. if they said you need to go kill all conservatives i would bet 1/4 to half of them would listen and try. as far as joe i dont know much about him besides from being a comedian crappy actor and ufc announcer.

[jshm2]

You need to demonstrate intelligence before backing someone you believe is intelligent. You've failed both tests, thus your assertion is moot.

[Juxtapose]

Imagine being so arrogant you think you can judge a complete stranger's mental capacity over a few things they say online.

[Jamie05rhs]

No, I certainly wouldn't trust today's CNN. Because they're all hacks.

But honestly, CNN was even bad 20 years ago.

[joeldalton]

Joe Rogan never tells you what opinions to have. He only tells you his opinion.

[Juxtapose]

Exactly!

[Heartache0405]

I'd rather someone tell me their opinion as opposed to horse shit

[ShadezMcgee]

Exactly this

[D_Bone_Steak]

Rogan for sure... He'll hear you out and just logic... The CNPC types though tell you to not listen to other opinions and don't read the Clinton e-mails for yourself because that's their job to interpret it for you.