If the supreme court overturns Roe vs Wade how will it affect the upcoming midterm elections in November?

[whirled_up_girl]

So I think most of us have seen the news about the leaked document that the supreme court will overturn Roe vs Wade. There are plenty of questions on here regarding this. With this poll I'm not interested in discussing everyone's stance, there are other questions and polls for that. However, I am interested to know how everyone thinks this will affect voting at the polls, particularly at the state and federal levels during the midterm elections in November.

It will help the democrats

It will help the republicans

It will help third party candidates

I don't know

Other

Updates

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I wanted to add a quick update that this question is assuming this will be the final ruling, as of now this is not the final ruling by the supreme court.

[BCA6010]

It'll give the Democrats a boost in the short term, but it's not going to eclipse the multitude of other issues that more directly affect a much larger demographic of people, even less so once people come to realize that it isn't actually going to change much. Additionally, pretty much everyone who is a single issue voter on abortion legality are already partisan voters anyway. By the time we actually make it to the midterms, we will probably have half a dozen more "historic moments" each instantly forgotten as soon as the next makes headlines.

[AviatorTom]

I don't know who, if any, it will help. It will become a major topic of discussion and debate, for voters to have yet another thing to differentiate the candidates.

[AviatorTom]

Thanks for the mho

[OlderAndWiser]

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks now about the effect. Wait until November 8 around 11:30 pm and the news will be quite consistent across the country.

[whirled_up_girl]

I was just curious what the opinions were on GAG.

[OlderAndWiser]

It appears to me that the left is doing everything they can to make sure that they lose in November. Remember that the swing voters are not those at the extremes but are those in the middle. It is doubtful that centrists are going to vote Democrat just to try to create an opportunity to pass a court packing plan. It will become obvious that the overturn of Roe v. Wade does NOT mean that abortions will be illegal; it will mean that each state is free to make whatever laws they wish restricting abortion. States like California, Oregon, Washington, and New York will continue to make abortion available, while states such as Alabama and Mississippi will probably outlaw abortions.

[whirled_up_girl]

@OlderAndWiser True, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't affect anythng at the federal level, at this point it would only affect voting at the state level but probably not in the obvious red or blue states, and who knows about the purple states I guess maybe that will depend in the swing voters.

[OlderAndWiser]

I expect Democrats to respond my resurrecting a court packing plan, for which they would need control of both houses of Congress.

[HighValue]

In my opinion, the democrats intentionally (and illegally) leaked that information so it would dominate the news programs. They wanted to distract people from Biden leaving all of those weapons and vehicles, along with American citizens in Afghanistan and abandoning them, the high fuel and food prices, the lockdowns, trying to force vaccines while exempting themselves, the problems that Biden helped cause with Russia and Ukraine, his son's corruption, the violent riots that were encouraged by democrats, election fraud (it was proven in some places but nothing can get overturned because the electors votes were not changed, only the people's votes were fraudulent), very high inflation harming the majority of Americans, among plenty of other bad results from the democrats being in control. Such as Biden being racist and sexist by not considering ANYONE for a Supreme Court nomination unless they were Black and a woman. Proven racism and sexism by his own words. CRT being taught in schools getting other students to hate White kids, hate America, and promoting the transgender agenda. (Anyone that claims that stuff isn't being taught is lying. there are numerous videos of teachers being proud of teaching that content, plus I have worked in schools for 12 years now and have seen first hand some of the bad stuff the schools do.)

So the intentional leak is working how they planned to be on the news and distract from all of those things I just mentioned. However, it won't change everybody's mind because people still pay high prices for fuel and food every day. No amount of lies from the democrats can hide that.

[MuddyMole]

I'd expect it to have a mainly polarizing effect, helping both parties to strengthen support in the states they already control. Overall, public opinion is pretty strongly against the decision, so in the purple states it will probably help the Dems a little too, provided it's still a major talking point by then - at the moment, it feels like there's a fresh catastrophe unfolding every week, and November is still a long way off (if US troops were sent Ukraine for example, that might be a bigger issue for a lot of voters).

[Cuminginside]

If the purple states were helping Florida would not have passed that law

[goaded]

The final decision wasn't expected until June or July anyway. Overturning 50 years of settled law will still be a big deal, if it happens, and the fact that it could have will be if it doesn't.

There's a summer of genuine (not like Benghazi) public hearings on Jan 6th coming up in June. Since we already know that Trump lost, organised a hoard of lawmakers to lie for him to steal the election, set off the riot, and many Republicans lied their asses off about the whole thing, it could be most enlightening to people who don't normally follow the facts.

US troops won't go into Ukraine.

[Cuminginside]

Because the draft was released or leaked out they may have to change their mind possibly. Remember the protests of the summer 2020 I'm sure those will be protests all over the place and they may have to bus transport people 2 States where abortion is legal just like old days.

[whirled_up_girl]

That's a good point, this leak should not be locking any of them into a final ruling yet, it was dated back in February afterall when they hadn't heard all arguments yet.

[DarkWinterNights]

It will likely boost turnout of single issue voters on the Left, but most states that are going to ban or limit abortion are solid red anyway. They may make a spectacle of busing people into blue cities to “shout their abortion” but optically I don’t think that has a very positive impact. I know a lot of people who claim to be “pro-choice” that have a really hard time getting behind abortion up until birth. With everything else falling apart, and a recession looming I just don’t see this changing the outcome significantly.

[goaded]

Over 100 million women just saw that their rights could be taken away by five liars nominated by Republican presidents. I don't see how that could help the Republicans. I'm sure the Democrats will find some way to screw it up, though.

[goaded]

Your comment to @Cuminginside was interesting: " That's a good point, this leak should not be locking any of them into a final ruling yet, it was dated back in February afterall when they hadn't heard all arguments yet. "

It rather blows apart the likely excuse that the arguments were so good they changed their minds about whether Roe was settled law (as they all more or less lied in their confirmation hearings).

[whirled_up_girl]

@ goaded I just can't help wondering if there is some motive to lock them into the decision by leaking this, or I guess one could argue its motive was to reverse the decision by seeing the fallout, for a leak like this it seems there was some kind of motive. I mean I wonder if documents like this of majority opinion have been drafted ahead of time in other cases where Roe vs. Wade has been on the chopping blocks and if those drafts would have made it seem that it would be overturned when it actually went the other way. Is this the first leak of a majority opinion draft months before final arguments and a final ruling? I don't know the answer to that, lol, it just seems suspicious. So who knows, but yeah, if I had to guess I think most of the justices knew how they would vote on this before their confirmation hearings.

[goaded]

It has been suggested, and Clarence Thomas' wife's name, Ginni, has been put forward as a possible leaker. She also encouraged the insurrection, and her husband shows no sign of recusing himself from cases involving it. Basically, they have no concept of honour.

[goaded]

Oh. Not before the arguments (although they're still obviously liars) "The case was heard on December 1, 2021. Court observers said, based on their analysis of the questioning, that the six conservative members of the court were likely to find in favor of upholding Mississippi's law, although Chief Justice John Roberts appeared to support a solution that upheld the fundamentals of Roe and Casey, while giving states the right to set restrictions on abortions up to as early as 15 weeks. The other conservative Justices appeared to be set to overturn Roe and Casey, based on these observations.[15][16][17] The final decision is expected by late June or early July 2022.[18] "
en.wikipedia.org/.../Dobbs_v._Jackson_Women's_Health_Organization

[whirled_up_girl]

@goaded Oh I see, but don't they don't they write all kinds of memos and have their court clerks look for all kinds of legal documents that support their stance? If Ginny Thomas leaked this, what would the motive be?

[goaded]

I think her motivation would be that the justices would look weak if they changed their vote (maybe they already had since that version of the memo).

[Agagagagaga]

@goaded I love how you blame Republicans for a decision from a bipartisan group of people who also included women.

But this is typical Leftist bullshit. Don’t like the result? Bitch about SCOTUS, but of course they are all as wise and just as King Solomon when they rule your way.

It’s just sour grapes. Blame the Republicans if you want. You blame them for everything else. You respect legal decisions when they go your way and then when they don’t you attack the very nature and idea of the court. You’re nothing but hypocrites. Power hungry hypocrites who want to get one over how ever you can—Constitution and checks and balances be damned.

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga What "bipartisan group"? SCOTUS?

It's clearly a extremely partisan decision since it was made by the only five members nominated by Republican presidents and also the only five members who had over 40 votes against their nominations in the history of the court. Because it was clear they were going to do this, their promises under oath not to be damned.

[goaded]

Correction, the only five members who had over 40 votes against their nominations in the history of the court and who were all nominated by Republican presidents. Roberts, at least, appears to have stood by his word to respect existing law.

Roe was decided by 5 Republican nominated justices and two Democratic nominated ones, and they were all confirmed by large bipartisan votes, because they were genuinely respectable candidates.

[Agagagagaga]

@goaded Pretty sure there are some Liberal judges on the court much as you’d like to believe otherwise. I know this clashes with your skewed world view of how the Republicans are the cause of all the pain and suffering in the world. Try to have an open mind. I believe in you.

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga Why are you pretending I don't understand exactly what's happened?

There are exactly 5 SCOTUS justices that have had over 40 votes against their confirmation since 1776. They are the 5 that voted that Roe should be overturned. They're also on record as saying under oath that they would respect existing SC decisions, somehow without mentioning "until we've got the votes". Roberts made the same promise, but he seems to be a man of his word.

Do you understand the concept of an oath? Or honour?

[Agagagagaga]

@goaded Do you understand the concept of SCOTUS?

You act as if they are some hopelessly biased people incapable of ever reaching a sound decision.

You realize you’re whining about the same people that legalized gay marriage, right?

Just admit you’re biased and believe SCOTUS is illegitimate. It’d be more honest of you.

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga No, that's the whole point, they're not the same people who decided Obergefell, and the new ones really are hopelessly biased and clearly planning to overturn it (it's based on the same right to privacy argument as Roe).

Scalia (98–0), Kennedy (97–0) and Ginsburg (96–3) have been replaced, two in a ridiculously partisan way, by Gorsuch (54–45), Kavanaugh (50–48), and Barrett (52–48). Do you not see the difference? Are you really that dense?

A SCOTUS where the justices were acceptable to a clear bipartisan majority is a better SCOTUS than one that has been packed by hook or by crook. Republicans have destroyed the independence of the court.

In comparison, the SCOTUS that decided Roe was Blackmun (Nixon, 94–0), Burger (Nixon, 74–3), Douglas (FDR, 62–4), Brennan (Eisenhower, Acclamation), Stewart (Eisenhower, 70–17), Marshall (Lyndon B. Johnson, 69–11), and Powell (Nixon, 89–1). With White (JFK, Acclamation), and Rehnquist (Nixon, 68–26) dissenting.

[BCRanger10]

If anything, I could see it helping Republicans, but only slightly. I don't think it will give a strong edge to one side or the other. There are several reasons why I think so. The first is that if what I've heard and personally read is true, support for abortion, choice, whatever they're calling it these days, isn't as high as Democrats think. Second, Roe vs. Wade is a Supreme Court matter, not Congress. Third, even if it were, abortion isn't on the ballot this cycle. The economy is.

[Guy13]

It will not unless a criminal case of murder is filed while simultaneously the abortion clinics and supported Federal, State, and Government offices/Jobs are ended. If this all happens in September-October then it will affect midterm elections.
-And if the Senate is still Democrat, they will say they have the mandate to either stack or eliminate the Supreme Court. At the very least Constitutional Amendments grounded in Emotion will be brought forth.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Won't matter much. The Democrats have done literally everything their collective power to make sure the Republicans win come November.

The Democrats have just become a horrible political party as the Republicans.

Too goofy and immature to lead and it doesn't help at all the economy isn't doing good under Biden's watch.

A two party system just doesn't work. One or the other always.

[ArtemisSilver]

At this point I'm not even sure it's a real democracy so whatever happens the puppet show will continue.

[Still-alive]

if republicans take over in 2024 you might as well kiss our democracy goodbye.

[ArtemisSilver]

Can't break what's already broken. Massive reforms are required, and red/blue partisanship should be abandoned. No more groupthink.

[OmegaSTC]

I don’t think it’ll change anything. People already know how they feel about abortion. There’s no cognitive dissonance to make people change their minds

[WhiteBoyChill]

It won't help anybody because most Americans are still going to be pissed off at the Democrats for all the inflation

[John_Doesnt]

Not many people will be supporting Republicans who take away a woman's right to healthcare.

[Agagagagaga]

Help help! Someone slipped on a carpet and busted a nut inside me! I have a right to kill the baby!

Lol

Bunch of nutters. I’m pro-choice but call it what it is. An unwanted life is being killed. Healthcare lol that’s a good one lol.

[John_Doesnt]

@Agagagagaga rape is not a choice.

[Agagagagaga]

Holy shit raped women won’t be able to have an abortion anywhere? You mean they won’t be able to find some Leftist doctor to suck the fetus out of them? I take it traveling while pregnant will also be outlawed, and should you return home absent your baby bump, I take it you’ll be locked up for life?

No? Then stop it with your over generalizations and simplifications. There are always options. And if your ass just got raped, take the morning after pill. Voila! No baby! And it’s cheaper and safer than an abortion.

So tell me again how this is about healthcare?

[John_Doesnt]

@Agagagagaga you sound like a typical incel who never touched a woman since you were born

[Agagagagaga]

Really? Is that why my friends with benefits texts me about how badly she wants to suck my dick and how she gets wet at work thinking of me.

What else do ya got? Or have you decided to resort to insults since you have nothing worthwhile to say since I’ve addressed your talking points?

[John_Doesnt]

@Agagagagaga your imaginary friend and your mom don't count

[Agagagagaga]

Again, more insults. You realize you’re only making yourself look like a child.

Do you care to continue telling us your uninformed and juvenile view on politics, or would you like to continue speaking about my mom?

Balls in your court. First one to insult the other likes to finger his own asshole and smell it.

Darn. Looks like you already lost. A few times in fact.

Something tells me you’ll be okay though, I gather that you have some experience with anal trauma.

[John_Doesnt]

@Agagagagaga you're the one with insults and making comments about busted nuts. Read your first reply.

[Still-alive]

It definitely helps them but how much is to be determined

[msc545]

I think a lot of women will not be voting for Republicans.

[BillyBalls]

The decision will not change my vote and many millions of other votes.

[wankiam]

both parties are at fault so who knows

[goaded]

How are they both at fault? All the votes to overturn come from Republican nominees who couldn't even get 60 votes in the senate.

[KrakenAttackin]

2000 Mules.

[Debbie14217]

Nope