Many European countries are more strict against abortion than the US, and most pro-life supporters are women. Thoughts on these facts?

[Anonymous]

Countries like Switzerland, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, etc.

Are all a lot stricter against abortion than the US

Was watching Bill Maher on HBO and he mentioned these facts he didn’t know regarding the topic. I was wondering if others knew about these and how they felt.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Not only are those facts, here's a few others, along with a few predictions (if the leaked Supreme Court draft does turn out to be their actual decision):

1.) African Americans make up about 12.5% of the total population of the United States, yet 51% of aborted fetuses in the United States are African American.

2.) Over 90% of the fetuses aborted in the Asian American community are female. I believe that's because of the old tradition of wanting the eldest child to be male.

I'm morally pro-life and legally pro-choice, and I believe people should know these things, regardless on where they stand on this issue.

As for my predictions, just as more conservative states like Texas (but none nearly as populated as Texas) will probably look to strictly limit or completely eliminate abortions, the more liberal states in the country will be just as extreme in the opposite direction, eliminating restrictions on late-term abortions. I also believe that the number of "safe" abortions that take place in the United States will really not change, because other than Texas, the states with the largest populations are more liberal and are already the states where the vast majority of abortions already take place.

So basically, if this does wind up being the Supreme Court's final decision, the decision itself, along with the current (and continuing) corresponding uproar on the left, will be mostly symbolic (other than Texas and a few other sparsely populated states).

[NYCQuestions1976]

Thanks for Most Superb. 👍

[ChrisMaster69]

A couple of the countries you mention are predominantly Catholic, this has an historical input because of the Catholic view on birth control.

You can add Ireland to that list.

with Ireland and Italy all contraception was banned until 1970s - 1980s. The UK and Finland are technically more restrictive, however that’s down it needing Two doctors approval.

There is a world of difference between the countries you mention and say Texas.

European countries are moving forward, the US is moving backwards.

With a lot of European countries it was left to medical and legal to sort it out and not religious politicians pushing their own religious agenda….

the link below shows what the reality is, which sort of points out you are wrong…

https://reproductiverights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/European-abortion-law-a-comparative-review.pdf

[MrCommodore]

The map is inaccurate, Ireland passed a referendum on unrestricted abortion in first 12 weeks and on health/special circumstances after this 12 week point back in 2018

[ChrisMaster69]

@MrCommodore yeah I know but that’s about it, hence the link as well.

The main point is it’s not stricter in Europe

[DonkeyDan]

@chrismaster69
Correct it's not more strict in Europe, as usual an American believing whatever they watch on TV with their head up their asses!

[Razp_Sorbet]

I've found a lot of people don't understand what pro choice is. I've heard a lot of women say they are prolife because " I would never get an abortion but I don't care what other people do"

That is pro choice.

I'm pro choice but I would probably never get an abortion unless my or the fetuses life was in danger. I want people to have access to safe healthcare. Making abortions illegal only makes safe abortions illegal.

But then again there are women who just don't like the idea of it. Think its murder like every other Tom Dick or Larry on that side. Possibly influenced by religion (somehow even though there is nothing in religious texts against purposeful abortions)

[marish01]

Do you think abortion is murder?

[bamesjond0069]

Well liberals insisted on involving pro life people in their abortions so this is what you get. Maybe if planned parenthood wasn't federally funded and states were allowed to be very restrictive if they wanted then it wouldn't have been such a push to overturn r v w. But y'all insisted we pay for it so therefore we want our say.

[IveGotNoName]

The US has a considerable amount more teen pregnancy than European countries. Kids get well educated about contraception here, which is not something I can say for the US, especially not states like Texas, Utah, etc.

Therefore, a bigger percentage of teen pregnancy in Europe happens, because the person is stupid and reckless, of course that would make people more strict about abortion because "it's their own fault".

Having said that, I live in Europe and there is very easy access to abortion in my country.

[ODC2112]

In southern Europe there is no any training to contraception in schools. Anyway, there teen pregnancy in Northern Europe (with exception of Danmark) are the double compared to Southern and Western Europe, but Lower compare do Eastern Europe.

Statistics in US show that abortion is high in age range between 20-24, while in European countries it is shifted by 5 years to 25-29 age range. Teen abortion are utterly low.

Abortion in Denmark as in many european countries it can happen after a maximum of 12th week of gestation.

[OlderAndWiser]

I am unaware of European attitudes on this subject but wold have guessed that they were more liberal.

[Bricealan]

The idea that many women are Pro-Life in Europe, seems contradictory for women as a whole, in that usually women want to exercise control of their body and what happens to it. From my reading about Sweden in particular, after reading "The Girl With the Dragon Tatoo" and the rest of the Trilogy by that author, Sweden is very liberal, and if the book has any accuracy, then Sweden, has a high rate of sexual assault and forcible rape, and with that in mind, whether accurate or not, it is difficult for me to accept that women there do not embrace the right to have an abortion.

I don't have any 'statistics' on the above, only in the fiction that I alluded to.

[LiLaLydia]

In almost all European countries abortions are legal. Of course Europe has many different countries with very different culture, laws and religions so there are some which are stricter than others. Some countries with stricter laws would be Poland, Ireland or Malta.

In all of your mentioned countries abortions are completely legal if they happen within a certain period, usually between 3-5 weeks depending on the laws. After that it's usually tied to special conditions.

Here in Germany for example it's also tied to some mandatory counseling and it needs to be done by a doctor and advertisement is very strictly regulated. The laws might be strict but it's legal and accessible for everyone in need.

[Snsl153]

He didn't say it was illegal in Europe, but that "the laws are stricter", meaning that it's not as straightforward to get an abortion as it is in the U. S.

[Agagagagaga]

@lilalydia In France you can only get an abortion up to 14 weeks.

In the USA in some states it is 24-28 weeks. Aborting late trimester babies is legal in America. In France and elsewhere in the world it is not.

Hence European abortion laws allow less leeway for when you can kill the fetus. In America you can kill a 7 month old.

I’m pro-choice. So don’t attack me. This is something that the women on this site don’t seem to understand and they keep picking fights with me over abortion. No idea why.

[Curmudgeon]

And not only THAT, but the Europeans actually legislatively made their decisions about abortion, rather than having tyrants in black robes legislate from the bench, reading a magical "right" into the Constitution that just was not there, and is not there.

That said, if the pro-abortion crowd now goes state by state and lobbies for abortion laws, more power to them. That is what they should have done in the first place (and in a few states like California, to their credit, they did do that).

[Curmudgeon]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/He7xTBuxQRAk/

[youreanidiot2]

Not true. Abortion is legal at various stages of pregnancy in nearly all of western Europe. And all allow abortion to save the mother's life unlike some new laws being passed in red states that would rather see a woman die than end her pregnancy.

It's funny to see conservatives quote liberals like bill maher when it serves there purposes, but call them fake new when it doesn't 😂
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1869009.stm

[Snsl153]

Another person who didn't quite comprehend what he actually wrote. He never said it was illegal in Europe; the claim is that "many European countries are more strict against abortion that the US". Places like Poland, and until fairly recently Ireland.

[youreanidiot2]

@Snsl153 Says the moron who didn't comprehend the point i clearly stated: that nearly all of western Europe allows abortion at various stages of pregnancy and all make exceptions for the life of the mother. Unlike new anti-abortion laws being passed in the US that make no exceptions even for the mother's life. So how the hell are you going to say Europe has stricter laws than that? Get it dummy?

[Snsl153]

I'm the moron? Who is it here who doesn't seem to understand that 'Europe' isn't just 'Western Europe'? Poland, Hungary and Romania, for example, are not in Western Europe. Those countries have stricter abortion laws, and there is someone who is actually from Poland here who left the comment that it's only allowed if the woman's life is in danger or she was raped.

[youreanidiot2]

@Snsl153 abortion in Hungary is legal in the first 12 and 24 weeks in some cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Hungary

abortion in Romania was legal in the first 14 weeks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Romania

abortion in Poland is legal in cases or rape, incest, and for the life of the mother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland

new abortion laws passed in Alabama, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas and Texas outlaw abortion at any stage and for any reason including rape and life of the mother. How are you so stupid you can't understand those laws are more strict than any European laws?
www.theguardian.com/.../no-exception-rape-incest-anti-abortion-laws-republicans-us

[Snsl153]

Wikipedia and 'The Guardian'. Okay. They might actually be right this time, for once.

[Squaresquirrel]

https://reproductiverights.org/european-abortion-law-comparative-overview-0/
Not that strict, and gives enough time to think it through, 18-24 weeks, even later if there's any concern for the mother's health, mental health too.
Except of a few countries, in Europe they let the woman decide on her body/life/choices.

[tiajoka]

Oh my god

[007kingifrit]

your source only compares european countries to eachother, not america. his point was that america has way more relaxed laws on abortion than Europe

yet the left constantly thinks we are "falling behind" in some social contest

[BeautifulMind59]

I read the article. Thank you for the link. That was interesting information. Specially the international human rights laws in this regard.

[PinkMichae]

This whole my body my choice slogan is bull when it comes to pregnancy. Because it's no longer just her body anymore. There's a whole other human body growing with it's own DNA.

Why would anybody want to wait until later when the human life already has a heart beat, a formed tongue and eye lids, has electrical brain activity, and can already feel pain?

And if she knew getting pregnant was going to effect her mentally then she had plenty of options to avoid pregnancy. That's my issue with abortion besides that it snuffs out a human life.

With all the contraceptives out there, including plan B if a condom breaks, it's unnecessary to become pregnant unexpected. People are just having irresponsible sex in most situations that lead to these unwanted pregnancy. It's very selfish.

[Squaresquirrel]

@PinkMichae Thank you for sharing your opinion but honestly? I stopped caring about what Americans say about abortion.
You guys need to chill and stop interfering with other people's business, but I guess it applies to the whole country, to stop interfering with other countries.

[Squaresquirrel]

@007kingifrit Yeah , maybe. But the main thing is, in Europe you are free to do whatever you want, you don't need to worry about being judged/attacked by nutters, you just go to the hospital and get it down when you are approved.

[007kingifrit]

@squaresquirrel in Europe you get raped and murdered by muslims, you get arrested for saying "hate speech" and grooming gangs train your daughters to be prostitutes

yea, so free, enjoy the next muslim terrorist attack

[Squaresquirrel]

@007kingifrit medium.com/.../americas-grooming-gang-epidemic-tens-of-thousands-of-girls-and-children-abused-every-year-27a9b626f992
In the US, 330 million people compared to the 750 million of Europeans, grooming or sex-trafficking is 2-3 times worse, but you enjoy your delusions.

[007kingifrit]

lol that's just journalists trying to make American grooming gangs a thing. we prosecute groomers. you europeans hide them and avoid talking about it so you don't get called racist. your police are afraid of being racist lol

[Snsl153]

Yes, thank you, I'm glad you brought this up. It is true that in most parts of the world, even in the West, the laws are stricter than they are in the U. S. It's also the case that many women are pro-life, but strangely enough we never seem to hear their voices in the mainstream media. Gee, I wonder why.

[bamesjond0069]

Its a more conservative position. Conservatives are more traditional. Many traditional women prefer their men to speak up for them. This goes for all conservative positions really. Ie more women asking for wealthy to pay their fair share vs tax cuts.

[goaded]

Or maybe it's because they have the choice and can choose not to have an abortion, which is accepted by literally everyone. It's only the other choice that people seem to think they know better than the woman.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded in most general polls women as a whole about half are pro life. So if we listen to women on the issue its just as fair to be pro life as pro choice. My girlfriend is pro life, does a random man on the internet speak for her?

[Snsl153]

@bamesjond0069 Yes, good question. Does 'Goaded' here speak for women, even those who are on his side, who are pro-abortion?

[goaded]

Fabulous question! No, I speak for freedom to choose. Whether it's to get abortions, take drugs, wear dresses or silly hats, as long as your choices don't negatively affect other people, you should be allowed to choose.

@bamesjond0069 Should one group of people be able to take away the right of other people to make personal choices? Especially if the people you're taking the right away from make up 50% of the population? 100% have the right to choose not to have an abortion.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded ill go along with you that abortion is no different than any other choice "Should one group of people be able to take away the right of other people to make personal choices?" In general no. This is why r v w must be overturned. I have been forced to subsidize abortion providers, this should be a personal choice except im forced to pay into something i dont believe in. Where is my right to not contribute money to something i dont want? Also i live in a highly conservative area. I literally only know one person who is upset about r v w. Just one person. Most of my social media are posting "hallelujah" lol everyone i meet in person talking about it is happy about it. So whats wrong with an area like mine outlawing something because the majority here dont want it? If you're a freedom absolutist then i assume you're also just as upset about speed limits, zoning restrictions, noise ordinances, literally any laws outside of murder theft and rape? If not why can't an area make laws that reflect their population even if it blocks some sort of freedom. Does every place need to allow any and all drug usage? Do we need to allow heroin addicts to shoot up while their child is at the park swing set because its no different than smoking a cigarette? If areas can have local law norms why can't they in the case of abortion?

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 Thank you, I suppose. Paying taxes always entails money that will be spent on things you don't want, it's not a particularly personal choice. (Other than choosing not to pay and going to jail.) How have you "been forced to subsidize abortion providers", exactly? You certainly haven't through federal taxes.

I'll bet they're all hallelujah, right up until one of their daughters gets knocked up. Then it's all "sudden holiday in California" time.

"why can't an area make laws that reflect their population even if it blocks some sort of freedom"? Because it blocks some sort of freedom, without a corresponding protection of other people's freedom.

Speed limits save lives. Zoning restrictions stop people building factories that pollute the air and occasionally go boom next to schools. Banning drinking or taking drugs near schools is a minor inconvenience for the people who want to do those things, forcing someone to bring a pregnancy to term lasts for two lifetimes. Should you be allowed to vote to allow slavery?

[Snsl153]

@goaded "... as long as your choices don't negatively affect other people..."
Yes, I agree :)

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded "How have you "been forced to subsidize abortion providers", exactly?" Planned parenthood is an abortion provider. They are given federal funding/subsidies via tax money. If i pay into planned parenthood i should have a say in their operations. If they dont like it they should consider being a private organization.

"I'll bet they're all hallelujah, right up until one of their daughters gets knocked up." Its actually pretty common for those silly kids to get married where i live.

"Because it blocks some sort of freedom, without a corresponding protection of other people's freedom." Well back to the argument i was trying to avoid it would be protecting the babies freedom to live. But im sufficiently happy to not talk about this argument for or against since this is all anyone else is talking about.

"Speed limits save lives." However they are arbitrary. Banning cars entirely saves the most. Or making the fastest limit 25 mph saves a ton. Community standards would decide if its 50 60 80 mph what they tolerate. So why would someone outside of the community have a say if my town doesn't authorize speed limits of more than 50 mph?

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded "Zoning restrictions stop people building factories that pollute the air and occasionally go boom next to schools." Im assuming you dont own property if this is your view on zoning. Zoning primarily tells you what kind of residence or commercial activity can go on which land. But isn't my freedom restricted unnecessarily if i own a large single family home and want to convert it to moderate sized duplex ie two units? That offers little influence to others if any and is a big restriction of my freedom. So why dont you call up my town and complain to them?

"Banning drinking or taking drugs near schools is a minor inconvenience for the people who want to do those things," why are you the arbiter for others on what is minor and what is not? This is my whole point. What kind of person can't be satisfied living and let living... they need to interfere on the behalf of other people who aren't even complaining and live 1000 miles away. There is no scenario where this can be called live and let live in politics. And thus to circle back why i say it doesn't exist and why its not a popular position.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 No federal money goes to funding abortions, there's a law against it. Planned Parenthood does a lot of other things.

If nobody in your area wants a right that's only for people 1000 miles away, why would you make a law restricting it?

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded wordplay. Federal funding funds planned parent hood. I dont know if you're educated or not but if you ever took a finance or accounting class you should realize that money is fungible. Google it if you aren't sure what it means.

Why does it concern you though? Should we march our military on european countries that have strict abortion laws that make them difficult to get? The constitution does not allow for a supreme court ruling to allow abortion. If one wants a law they need to go to congress and if one wants a constitutional right they need to follow that process which is not easy to do... and was not intended to be amended unless an overwhelming majority wanted it... specifically to not have things like abortion in this case added to it.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 Are you saying these things in the hope that my head explodes from exasperation? Pretend your contribution just goes to making pro-life bombs and tanks and liberals' go to Planned Parenthood's counselling and contraceptive services. They certainly get more income that isn't restricted from being used for abortions than they spend on them.

"The constitution does not allow for a supreme court ruling to allow abortion."
The Supreme Court in 1973 disagreed with you, 7-2. Five of the six nominated by Republican presidents and one of the two by Democrats. All nine justices together had fewer votes against their confirmation than any one of the latest Trump nominees.

70% of the country doesn't believe the right should be taken away.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded so then you must also agree if we are to use the court ruling as justification for a court ruling that dredd scot decision was just and the court was correct in affirming the rights of blacks... because they did it so its ok. Just because they originally ruled in row v wade their decision was unable to point to a section of the constitution where the right to an abortion is listed. Its a bad decision since it makes no sense and thus why its on the chopping block. If y'all had made an amendment i wouldn't have much to say about it. Instead it says in summary "its in the constitution however we cannot point to where its in the constitution since its not actually there" and half of america is supposed to accept that?

Not sure where your 70% comes from... if so many support it simply make a law in congress or get an ammendment. I dont see the problem.

[bamesjond0069]

* denying the rights of blacks.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 Dred Scott was a crappy ruling, upholding the property rights of slave owners over the human rights of their slaves, but it was made in an environment where slavery was federally legal. Roe was a good ruling, upholding the private rights of a woman over the state, in an environment where abortion was federally legal.

If you can't see the difference, it's that one upheld the rights of the powerful over the powerless and the other did the opposite.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded So where is the right to an abortion listed in the constitution? The supreme court couldnt answer that but since you're so sure its there maybe you can point it out for me.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 Maybe you should try reading and understanding the Roe decision. I'm sure there are pages out there that can explain it to you. I'm not going to second-guess a 850-vote SCOTUS, unlike the current 562-vote one (which will drop to 528 when Breyer retires).

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded i have read it. They were unable to quote a section where the right to an abortion is listed. In fact they couldnt even agree where it was listed. If its so clearly there, one would just point it out. Since its not there until its pointed out to me, im considering this issue resolved. Either point it out so we can continue discussion, admit its not there, or consider this conversation over. Its either there or its not, the end. Its not both.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 Yeah, you're smarter than a highly regarded, apolitical, supreme court.

"criminalizing abortion in most instances violated a woman’s constitutional right of privacy, which [SCOTUS] found to be implicit in the liberty guarantee of the due process clause of the 14th Amendment."
lhstoday.org/.../

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded i know that but so where in the 14th amendment does it say anything related to abortion? Please quote.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 Take it up with the original SCOTUS, not me.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded i think scotus is taking it up with scotus right now.👍

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 A SCOTUS with a majority made up of liars who don't care about the integrity of the court. You might like it, but it's really screwing up the country.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded how are they liars? The right to an abortion is not listed in the constitution. You still haven't quoted it for me since you claim its there. They can't find it either. So i support them. If it really was there id imagine they would have found it and then not overturn row v wade. If its there id suppose you could just send them a copy and me as well and everyone would believe you. But strangely no pro abortion people are showing people the quote where its stated for some reason.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 "Brett Kavanaugh repeatedly told senators during his 2018 nomination hearing that women’s right to an abortion has been affirmed.

“The Supreme Court has recognized the right to an abortion since the 1973 Roe v. Wade case — has affirmed it many times,” he told Lindsey Graham.

Kavanaugh stressed to Dianne Feinstein “the importance of the precedent” under the previous court rulings and a “woman has a constitutional right to obtain an abortion before viability.” He said plainly that Roe was "settled law." "

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded as i said before i won't consider any other discussion until you finish the discussion on if its in the constitution. Quote it or concede the point.

Speaking of liars... and what of someone who says its in the constitution yet its not?

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 I won't consider any other discussion until you admit that Kavanaugh was lying when he said he believed Roe was settled law.

What do you call someone who lies under oath? And a political party that's happy to let them do it with impunity?

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded i mean im waiting from like 5 comments back dude. What is this kindergarten? "Teacher teacher 1 + 1 = 5" "no it equals 2 little johnny" "in the textbook it says 5" "show me what you're looking at little johnny" "no teacher not until you explain to me how 1 + 5 = 10... gotcha... see im smart"

Its not possible to have a conversation if we cannot agree on facts like what words are written on the most important legal document of our country. Something easily verifiable mind you. Maybe your position is you do not care about facts and you dont care if its written in the constitution. Fair enough but to lie and obfuscate and then pretend you're upset someone else may have lied or obfuscated makes you laughable.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 The highest court in the land came to a 7-2 conclusion, and Kavanaugh lied under oath about respecting it.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded the highest court of the land also said slavery and segregation was ok. So if the court coming to a conclusion is enough evidence needed to be morally right then you must also agree with constitutional right to slavery and be mad at those darn judges going back on established decisions. Your claim as no logic to it unless you also support slavery.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 They said it was the law. It was not a moral judgement.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded slavery and segregation were laws, so you must be upset the court has gone back on its settled law on these issues as well. Once ruled not to be changed. Right?

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 The court never went back on it's decisions that slavery was legal. It was legal. Then the law was changed.

"Separate but Equal" was bullshit, but wasn't repealed until Texas proved they were taking the piss by quickly setting up an "equal" black university to avoid one black student attending the state university.

What, apart from the liars being confirmed to SCOTUS changed in the discussion of Roe? Republican states have been trying this crap for decades, and the SCOTUS has always confirmed Roe.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded so courts can go back on decisions if they make more sense? Like if a decision says the constitution allows for something and then new justices search and search and can't find it anywhere in the constitution? You still claim its there right and will quote the section or do you concede the point that its not listed? And changing your mind isn't lying. Nor is accepting a basic understand that its listed in the constitution because thats what they were told and then upon study they couldnt find it so changed their mind. At least some of the justices would support r v w if they could find it. So why dont you save the right to abortion by just pointing it out to everyone. This could all go away if you just did it already.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 If the situation changes, yes. Apart from the make-up of the SCOTUS, what new changes have happened in the abortion debate? Republican states have been trying this crap for decades, and the SCOTUS has always confirmed Roe.

Like "Separate but Equal" was obviously a cover for discrimination, but Texas quickly setting up an "equal" black law school to avoid one black student attending the state law school was taking it too far.

"So why dont you save the right to abortion by just pointing it out to everyone. This could all go away if you just did it already."
No it wouldn't. You'd just be finding other excuses to oppose it. It's not a logical or legal opposition, it's religious.

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded its both logical and legal. Clearly its not a logical ruling if they say its listed in the constitution yet its not listed in the constitution. And its not supposed to be legal. Their job is to interpret laws not make up text and claim it is law if the text basis for a ruling doesn't exist already.

So yes simply quoting it from the constitution would prove its both logical and legal to uphold r v w. Strange you dont quote it and change my mind instantly. I might not like abortion but if its in the constitution id have to push to have an amendment because thats how our government works and it would be improper to overturn the ruling. But since i can't find it just like our justices can't then i support them overturning it.

[goaded]

@bamesjond0069 Not really, and not when you consider that the place of the SCOTUS is to balance the scales of justice in favor of the powerless, because the two political branches of government (Congress and the executive branch) cannot be relied on to do this. That's why 7 justices, 5 Republican, 2 Democratic (although that wasn't much of a distinction at the time because they also understood they should be apolitical in their decisions) decided Roe. Since then, nothing has changed except for the pushing into the court of partisan politicians by a minority party over the objections of nearly half the Senate.

And, once again, religious people are never going to be swayed by actual logic or public opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DoclavNJlU

[bamesjond0069]

@goaded "the place of the SCOTUS is to balance the scales of justice in favor of the powerless" wait... you're talking about another country? Because in America our supreme court has no such responsibility. It certainly does not do that nor is it supposed to.

[MuddyMole]

Contrary to what many Americans seem to believe, not all of Europe is as progressive as Scandinavia.
Some (mainly Eastern-) European countries are still strongly Catholic, and those are the ones with stricter abortion laws (eg. Poland, which is 93% Catholic). It's not something to aspire to.
And yes, women are more likely to be religious than men, so that's no surprise either, considering this is 100% a religious issue.

[BCRanger10]

Not surprising about either of them.

Regarding the latter, I can vouch for that. In the past, when I've prayed outside Planned Parenthood or some other abortion facility, or when I've attended pro-life events of some sort, it's been mostly women present, and there have been plenty of occasions when they've been young women of child-bearing age.

[goaded]

Just looked at Germany's:
"Section 218a of the German criminal code, called Exception to liability for abortion, makes an exception for abortions with counseling in the first trimester, and for medically necessary abortions and abortions due to unlawful sexual acts (such as sexual abuse of a minor or rape) thereafter"

[hi_it_is_me123]

What do you mean? In all of these countries it is legal to abort. Since i live in Europe i can say that in these few years there were so many discussions about abortion and many protests by pro lifers in these countries.

switzerland also has weird questionable laws. Anal rape is only sexual harrassment there for example

[Asker]

So, “legal to abort” can still mean these countries are still stricter on abortion than the US…..

[hi_it_is_me123]

I also can't compare the whole U. S with tiny different european countries with different languages and cultures unlike U. S with same language which makes a big difference. All of these countries have their own media. I only can comment on the media's influence in austria/germany/switzerland but i dont what is going on in Italy, france, spain etc.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Media in germany tend to be left in my experience for example

[hi_it_is_me123]

Their media influence austria or maybe switzerland since we all speak the same language

[hi_it_is_me123]

In my opinion media plays a big role too when it comes to values, mind etc of population's

[hi_it_is_me123]

Since it has a big influence

[hi_it_is_me123]

Poland is also seen very conservative or very right by the media and many people i know in germany, austria etc. It gets critizised a lot. So we have to differe between european countries

[hi_it_is_me123]

Sorry for posting so much. If i am not wrong majority of people in austria and germany are very pro life accorrding to statistics. But the way these countries have msny immigrants with very conservative values/ideas and so we have to consider this too

[hi_it_is_me123]

Omg i am so sorry for posting again but also have to say that Europe also have "third/second world countries" or balkan countries like bulgaria, romania, etc. I dont understand why there even in Europe

[hi_it_is_me123]

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[EyeKnowMeNahYou]

I agree the United States is a different country from all other countries in the world, and these are the certain allotted freedoms. Plus amongst feminist and women rights activists not to mention women possibly or probably outnumbering men sways many of the laws and opinions given

[SaoirseS]

Why would anyone be surprised? Close to half of women worldwide live in countries where access to abortion is either strictly limited or outright illegal. Funny how we pride ourselves in liberty and freedom isn’t it?

[Asker]

Well, the countries mentioned seemed to be role models when it comes to progressiveness.

I’m sure most would think, as did I, that the mentioned countries are predominantly pro-choice.

I was shocked to discover the reverse.

Also, the idea of “pro-life” being “anti-woman” while most pro-lifers are women doesn’t fit the narrative of those with ulterior motives.

[Cubus]

Can you give examples of such countries? :)

[SaoirseS]

I’m surprised you’re surprised.

[Asker]

I’m honestly surprised that you’re surprised that I’m surprised.

[Juxtapose]

Those parts of the world also don't have free speech like the US does, should we follow in their footsteps there as well?

This is the land of the free, women should be free to get rid of parasites in their bodies as they see fit. And no I am not sorry for calling zygotes parasites because that is exactly what they fucking are. They are parasitic organisms that grow into humans

[BeMuse]

Catholics tend to be pretty anti-abortion in general. Much of Europe and especially Latin America are highly Catholic. Moloch worshipers in contrast love sacrificing babies via abortion and then burning them in fire labeled as medical waste.

[BeMuse]

“You shall not give any of your children to devote them by fire to Moloch, and so profane the name of your God” (Leviticus 18:21).

www.livescience.com/...inerated-medical-waste.html

[Guy13]

That’s not going to make the USA 🇺🇸 News. I wish I was capable of assembling all the video of all these different countries on YouTube channel SO that it can go virally and possibly network globally…. Run with it ❓❓❓

[alice55]

I'm surprised to hear France is stricter on abortion rules considering I'm French and never heard any strict stuff about abortion. Which strict things do you talk about?

[Asker]

Well, just because your French doesn’t mean you’re an expert on everything legal/political in France…..

I’m sure there’s millions upon millions of people in France that don’t even know the specifics of their own country’s abortion laws.

[LiLaLydia]

Abortions area legal in France during the first 14 weeks. I'm not sure what your point here is, I think the ongoing discussion is about US states prohibiting it completely, even in extreme cases like rape. Maybe there are some states where it's more liberal then in Europe, great but that is irrelevant because it's still legal and easy to do in your mentioned countries and had nothing to do with US states making it illegal anyway

[alice55]

True but it's for this I asked if you have any example on why French are stricter on this matter, i searched and the only stuff I found was abortion are only authorized up to 12 weeks pregnancy and doctor have the rights to refuse to give a woman abortion for morals matter. But I don't see in how it make us strict considering there's country like Poland who don't allow abortion at all unless the life of the woman is in danger.

[Agagagagaga]

@alice55 I think what the Original Poster may have meant about “stricter” is in reference to the gestational age of the fetus.

In France, as you said, abortions are legal up to 14 weeks.

In the USA, in some states abortions are legal up to 24 weeks, even 28 weeks.

I’m guessing that’s what they meant by “stricter”, but I’m not sure.

[2facedfa1ry]

it's stricter in france because of the vatican & religious lobbies

[alice55]

@Agagagagaga I mean it's up until 12 or 14 weeks I'm not sure cause after the baby is said to be alive not thus cannot be aborted since we consider it as killing. I don't get how we can abort a baby that is already formed 28 weeks is so long. It's like the pregnancy is nearly done, there's lots of baby that can birthed early and they live. It's crazy to abort them so late.

[Agagagagaga]

@alice55 Yes. By that amount of time the fetus is very well developed and likely viable outside of the womb. In several states in America a fetus can be killed up to 7 months. This is one reason why some people have issues with abortion in America. People endlessly debate over what “life” is and when it is inappropriate to terminate it.

I’m pro-choice by the way, so hopefully the Leftists don’t start calling for my blood. You have to be careful with your beliefs in America. Someone may get upset.

[alice55]

@Agagagagaga Abortion laws in America are crazy, maybe they should do like in France cause 7 months is ways too much.

[Chiarac2003]

Yes they are. Certainly don’t take Billions of taxpayer money …. only to funnel it into liberal campaigns.

[blackgaletiger]

The culture and education of many European countries is a lot different than the US. There seems to be more of a traditional aspect to it,

[Asker]

I would’ve thought, since many consider these countries bastions of progressiveness, they would be more aligned with the pro-choice side of the topic of abortion.

[RV2121]

I'm a pro lifer too. Why to kill a baby without its consent and most women don't regret a baby if they were contemplating abortion so that's not an issue.