I think she should do some jail time.
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The prosecutor provides a detailed list of procedural steps that were flat-out ignored or circumvented to get to the point of injection the wrong drug and fatally killing a patient.
I think she should serve time, long enough to say "damn", but short enough where she can come out and if she's resourceful enough, recover and have an actual life.
She should never be able to work in the medical field again.
Another issue I have is... it was also made clear during the trial, that while she's the culprit in that case, the working environment, culture and ethics, allowed for this to occur as well.
It sounds like anyone assigned to that patient could've done this, it just happened to be her on that particular day. So while she's doing time, I think her superiors should be held accountable as well.
I'm sure civil lawsuits are already filed, but she shouldn't be doing time on her own.
I don't absolve her of what she did, even in a bad working environment, even when not going with the flow, could've brought repercussions to her status working there, not saying something is a choice.
But good leadership allows for good accountability and it wasn't present in that hospital, she shouldn't be alone in this.
Just my opinion, thanks for making this post, be safe and good luck.
Her case was public, but this happens more than you realize. People do not realize how hard nurses have it. Nursing in some ways is even more difficult than being a doctors. Doctors have longer training, but most of the time they practice a specific type of medicine and become experts in it while nurses are kinda jack of all trades. Nurses usually have a heavier workload than doctors and no choice in matters dealing with doctors.
If we punished ALL nurses for the mistakes this nurse made, there would be no nurses. Accidents happen and they are horrible, but that is why every medical professional is supposed to have insurance to cover these situations. If the decision and medication is in a nurse's training and scope of practice, then they should be shielded from criminal charges. If they act outside of policy/training/scope of practice and make a mistake, then criminal charges are appropriate. At least she admitted to her mistake. Many medical professionals are too prideful to admit mistakes.
As someone who works in a hospital can i tell you right now how difficult it is being a nurse nowadays, they are swamped with paperwork, they are taken away from paitents because the paperwork Must be done, since covid it's gotten worse, the rats jumped ship. Rats being those that were employed by the health board, went to agencies to get twice the money and do little work that the hospitals have to beg the agencies for these rats to work shifts. I call them rats because they have left Staffing levels to critical. I work on a ward that is considered acute, for 24 paitents there was 3 nurses and 1 hca, we were swamped with admissions and run off our feet dealing with paitents needing care that we could barely give them. Some nurses are working 10 days in a row others 6 or 7 just to keep staff levels to a minimum they could be working both night and day shift in the same week and people wonder why there is mistakes? This nurse shouldn't solely be blamed, higher up the foodchain needs to be held to account but as per its nurses or hcas that gets done for. These *mistakes* will keep happening until they rid health boards of the rot and that starts at the top
I think probation and the guilt of killing a patient should be enough for her. As long as she never worked as a nurse again.
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When you are a patient in the hospital, you are at their mercy to take care of you, NOT KILL YOU! The patient was a victim by a nurse. She should have taken just a minute to double check that the patient was getting the correct medicine. But she didn't. No matter how busy and chaotic a work environment is, you must double check your own work before you proceed.
Since she did kill another human being when she just could have double checked what she was injecting bleach into them she needs to do jail time for her carelessness and lose her nurse's license.
A lot of professions have a huge responsibility, from domestic gas engineers to aircraft engineers, all have peoples lives at stake, everyone is human and definitely not infallible. In a lot of professions it’s known if you make a mistake you can face jail time.
in this case I can’t see what exactly happened, there may be other factors at play which would potentially mean no jail time but struck off, drugs placed on wrong shelf in supply area etc, worked 14 hours, bad hand writing on the hospital notes. Etc.
we have a legal system to protect everyone and to ensure fair treatment.
Well there is concrete proof that it was accident, I'm ok with it. But I don't think she should be working in the medical field after that. Simply because I don't think we need to risk her potentiality using a job in the medical field to kill people. I'd also say the same thing if she was a man. Simply because so many men and women have been caught murdering patenting in the medical field.
There are two different thoughts on this. First, a nurse should already be confirming what they get before using the med. I relate this to a scrub nurse keeping track of the sponges a surgeon uses. The nurse is NOT treating the patient, they are ONLY getting the items the medical provider is wanting. I know we are all human, but the ER is not someplace to be daydreaming and not have your mind on the job. So I am not sure I am OK with no jail time. I say this NOT because I want to cause this person more pain. I want a clear message sent to ALL nurses! Stop checking meds before use at the risk of a murder charge. The next thought is what happened here. Let her by with being careless and having that carelessness cost another's life.
This was a world class railroad job of a person under undue stress and strain made a mistake which ended in a death it happens everyday with Doctors a nd Nurses working 24hr to 48 hr with out sleep in the middle a pandemic are pushed and pushed by management to do more with less and are rushed to do it in less time of course something is bound to happen and it did. The family of the deceased asked for no jail time. and did not want vengeance just to make sure it did not happen again. But the powers that be made this women the sacrifice for their GROSS MISMANAGEMENT causing a death she is in jail and they the [hospital ] are not held accountable anything
no jail time. intentional is another matter, but was mistake. I say same for some cop scenarios.
We don't hold engineers to this scrutiny, or CEO's. President wipes out a whole Afghani family... nada, not even a trial.
It's a no even if she killed me. But evaluation as to how to improve, absolutely, or if she's fit for the job.
Mistakes happen. Who would benefit if she serves jail time? If she goes to jail, will it prevent people from making mistakes? If no one benefits and it doesn't prevent people from making mistakes, then jail time serves no useful purpose. However, it does prevent her from being productive and it cost money and resources.
I think she should get jail time, as a nurse she should know what medicines to give and not to give to patients and someone died over an extremely stupid mistake that could have easily been avoided, so I say jail time and never being able to work in the medical field at all
The key word there is "accidently".
She was no serial killer trying to murder patients, and just a stressed nurse who royally fucked up one time too many.
But obviously with this conviction she will have her patient records scrutinised. May well be she's out to harm patients. But until that is investigated she not guilty of that charge.
This is a system failure, not a personal failure. She should not do jail time. I question the conviction. Critical ments in patient care should be done with a checklist under a two person rule. One does it, one verifies it. Possible complications should be anticipated and have their own checklists.
Before an airliner departs two pilots perform a preflight checklist.
When you kill someone, jail time should be involved, not saying it needs to be long though, a year max with probation for five or so after that.
This is a death that can never be undone. If her crime could be undone, then no jail time let her work to undo it.
We take death and killing people entirely too light in the USA. Thus if your going to kill someone make it look like an accident and not intentional and your fine, no jail time.
I feel bad for her as she was working in a high intensity environment, and the stress that’s been put on our nurses in the last couple of years has been enormous. Tbh, they were pushed to their max pre-covid, so I can only imagine where the pandemic left them.
However, manslaughter is still manslaughter. I only hope they find preventative methods to avoid any further mistakes. So that something positive comes out of something negative.
We're human, and as close to perfect as we'd like to be in medicine, mistakes do happen. Fortunately, the vast majority of those do NOT result in a patient's death.
I don't expect her to serve jail time for this, but at the same time she's now out of a job. Specifically for the medical field. If she's an RN, that's a fair number of years of school and money now wasted due to a single "mistake". Her life, going forward, is not going to be an easy one, even without jail time.
"Several mistakes" I think is the key in this case. One thing to happen once, but several times? There could be a lot more to the story also than we know about? And when it comes to medicine and people's lives, you want to take extra precautions to make sure "mistakes" don't happen. I feel for her if it was an honest mistake. It would be a horrible position to be in. But also "technically" in the eyes of the law, committed murder.
It's one of those things where if it were your family or friends were the recipient of neglect, you might have a deferent view.
I guess though it has to be decided on whether or not there was intent!
My Mom had a cancer operation - and died anyway.
The surgeon: I'm sure that he's looking forward to his new dazzling car.
Why would a nurse be treated differently?
We all make mistakes (or don't know what we're doing)
I feel satisfied to NOT see this woman in jail.
If something's wrong here, then the worshipping of drugs.
If it was completely a mistake, but also part of a pattern of neglect and mistakes, then she shouldn't be allowed to continue being a nurse. But I don't think anyone should get jail time for a complete mistake.
probation will be enough. You don't have to destroy every life for every single mistake by punishing them with jail time. Jail makes them even worse. Obviously, this nurse isn't someone evil. So she doesn't deserve to be in a place that would make it even worse. Punishments should be there to correct wrongdoings. Not make them even worse.
Should be charged with murder as simple as simple. In France there's something called "murder without intention of doing it" "accidental murder". Which is what she did.
I have to wonder if the hospital ran the 'two man' rule for nurses who administer drugs, as they do over here In the UK?
The 'two man' rule is where nurses double check each other on drugs they are going to administer to prevent cases like the one above in busy ER's.
As for the question of jail time I cannot say as I do not have all of the information & I'm not on the jury.
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