Do you think that Johnny Deep trial set a precedent that men are also victims of abuse?

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and possible in the future more men will come forward accusing women, when they believe they been difamated and abused by their partners, girlfriend, wives, etc

I mean in general women and men could be either vicitm of abuse and agression (as abuse and agression is genderless) but women most of the time are the winners, men not so much and they are in the minority. Some men do not sue women probably because they dont want to be seen as weak? so they keep quiet, even if it actually happens. But women just because we are women, we always are the winners in cases of sexual abuse, violence against us, agression, child cases etc. But jurors, or judges always give the reason to the women most of the time and this is worldwide.

There are even feminists advocating for equity and otehr women related topics, like the ME Too movement who im sure the movement was aimed indirectly to men, even if women who followed that movementt says otherwise that it is not against to men. . Odd because I never saw men following the ME TOO movement only women. You dotn see men doing marches or movements against women, Have you? I haven't?

Also it happens in some rape cases where women shouts for attention they were raped and as police investigate the case, they could found out the women accusing the person who asexual abuse them or raped them, never did anything, so they lied for what reason they lied? I mean a rape could truly happen sure and a woman can be a vicitim, im not saying it can't happen Im just saying that I had read cases where the women lies about being a victim only to discredit men and women are more easily convincing then men.. Even some laws are tougher against men than on women.

My opinion is that violence of any kind (emotional, physical, verbally) is genderless and it can happen to men or women and people should understand there are evil, lying

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manipulative women out there who wants to damage men and their reputation and they will do anything to get away with it as well cause women could be more convincing than men.

Are men and women that different when it comes to violence and the way we sue?

A hypothetical situation. "A man and a woman committ the same exact crime, in different times and dates and in different locations, both were vicitims of lets say domestic violence in their past. Who the jury is going to believe more?

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The woman only because we are women and many crimes are committed for the fact we are women as men are in a position of power over us and many crimes are committed as men are in a power position and women are the victims. I mean in this trial most people and fans were against Amber (against a woman), and in favor of a man.

KirbyFan246 · Accepted Answer

This entire complex of living life treating others poorly without severe repercussions to their actions is the norm for women in this modern day, due to no fault-divorces favoring the woman, a woman centric culture, and the internet with endless validation and fortifying of false truths on social media of how woman can do no wrong, and they are always the victim, even when they are the perpetrator.

You see this most very clearly in the Family Courts. They don't even have juries, so what you have is a corporation of lawyers and judges who know each other and make sure only certain dealings are held up so they make more money off of good men who aimed to be good father. They assert and legally approve of the narrative that being Women are always the victim and they win custody of the children in the Court cases without question most of the time (9 times out of 10), and due to the fact that they win without question, women see this as an opportunity to make money and walk away from being temporarily dissatisfied with their husbands. They are the ones filing the divorce 85% of the time, and it is no surprise that so many marriages end in divorce, because women want more and more and more, and nothing's ever enough when you're allowed to take a spouse to court just to make money off of them.

All of this is a biproduct of the contract that is marriage, which is a legal issue, just as the cases of sexual assault, as well as the countersuing of defamation guys can do in response are. Marriages are set up to where women have the opportunities to sabotage their marriages if they feel in any way dissatisfied with their relationships, and so many of them do now, a marriage's success is like a coin flip, either it's terrible, or it's tolerable. So many women are jumping ship on their marriage, not willing to settle, and that it's not surprising that men are raising their voices and showing that they won't put up with women who aren't loyal and act on their feelings alone, and a court system that doesn't care about them when they sign the contract to be married, as well as when they are openly accused of sexual assault (with their reputation being tarnished even if they did nothing wrong).

Johnny Depp's success in his defamation case countersuing Miss Heard is a huge step in the right direction for court cases and for men. It is resounding the truth that you are still innocent until proven guilty, and men still have a voice and power of their own, even if it is attempted to be cancelled and cut down by 3rd parties, or by the woman that accuses them falsely of sexual assault or other charges.

Men are victims of abuse, and divorce much more than women are, and nobody talks about that, which is why there's such a huge divorce rate. And most women act as if this is not real, and double down on delusion, insisting that men should just "Man Up."

This problem can be fixed, an alternative to the contract of marriage that sets up these awful conditions, different standards both men and women can work up to, that can provide for children in families and stability for the partners and children, legally and emotionally. One such solution would be co-parenting relationships without marriage contracts.

DaveJord · Accepted Answer

Sadly I thing it does set a precedent. I say that because defies logic that men are incapable of being victimized by women. But seemingly for decades there's been this environment in which a women only has to say the word harassments or abuse and all of the sudden men are immediately on the defensive.

So for me I am going through a very traumatic divorce and toxic marriage. I never put my hands on my wife. 22 years and not a single incident of domestic violence or physical abuse. But the mental and emotional abuse and manipulation was extreme. But being a man I never saw myself as a victim and I refused to accept that I could be a victim or was a victim.

My ex wife was on of the most passive aggressive and toxic people I ever met. She constantly emasculated me, insulted me and degraded me. But for the betterment of the marriage I dismissed a lot of the behaviors because I am a very confident and emotionally mature individual, and assumed that I was immune for her abuse. Boy was I wrong.

So when divorce time came, she files saying there was no domestic violence in the marriage. When I contested for 50% custody of my child, she files a rape charge against me 5 months after the fact of supposed innocent took place and files protective order against me with zero evidence. The Rape charges were thrown out immediately and protective order was denied. But sure as heck there she was on Face Book talking about how women are victims and the systems fails them. She brainwashes my kids against I loose custody and get zero visitation.

Then just last week she commit felony perjury against me by lying on her finical disclosures by saying for the last 14 months she was unemployed. I have been paying $1,100 a month in spousal support for the last 14 months totaling over $15,000 dollars. When I finally prove that in fact she was employed the entire time and had submitted serval court filing claiming to be unemployed. Now I have to decide if I want to press felony charges against her, as well as a civil case for punitive damages caused by the mental and emotion trauma she has put me through.

At first I though no, lets just settle this mater and be done with it. She still refused to settle. Then Jonny Depp comes along and wins. That really made me take notice of the fact that I am truly a victim. I sat there watching Amber Heard crying and taking no responsibility for her actions. It so reminded me of my ex-wife, and then hearing her coming out later talking about women victims and this sets women back.

For the last week or so I have been confronting a lot of repressed emotions over 20 years of marriage. Because Jonny Depp gave me some scenes of hope that men do not have to tolerate this type of abuse. That people do not have the right to take your strengths and use it against you... in essence taking your own power away from you.

CrazyGirl2 · Accepted Answer

Oh sweet GOD I really hope so!
While I don’t think that this is an end to #MeToo, it IS an end the the asinine #BelieveAllWomen bullshit! I believe that I was in 10th grade when that exploded in the public zeitgeist, and all I could think was how many times I had lied in my life? Obviously not about sexual abuse, but we on the left really despised Kavanaugh, and it really only took one crazy woman to lie and it almost ended his candidacy! I hated the fact that I was forced to defend Kavanaugh because of Blasey-Ford! We KNOW for sure, that around 10% of sexual harassment, abuse, and rape claims are false, yet we still push this crazy #BelieveAllWomen crap! Why not just be honest and say #BelieveAbout90%OfWomen? If we KNEW that 10% of executed inmates were absolutely innocent, we would end the death penalty immediately! Yet we allow this myth that women don’t make up false abuse claims, when we KNOW they do for financial benefits, political benefits, personal benefits, but most of all, FEAR! Young women living at home, or wives who cheated on their husbands and get pregnant lie all the time and claim rape! So even as a RAPE SURVIVOR MYSELF, I absolutely stand with and support ALL men who were falsely accused! Emmet Till was falsely accused! We should NEVER forget that! We ALL disrespect the memories of countless southern black men who were lynched over false accusations from white women, when we say that NO women EVER lie about sexual abuse or rape, especially when their perjury convictions dispute that!

Smoke-n-Growls · Accepted Answer

I mean, no. This also wasn't a trial about the abuse Heard levelled - just the defamation.

I'm sure there's other legal precedent, but Depp did make it more obvious to many that men can be victims of domestic abuse as well. Which is an established fact, but one many people are too happy to gloss over.

globetrotter22 · Answer

Most people aren’t rich and famous like these two. However this case finally provided a crystal clear example of how #metoo was weaponized and abused to harm lots of innocent and “semi” innocent men.

I say “semi” innocent men because in many cases guys sometimes crappy things. However women overreact and do much worse thinking they are “justified victims” and are fighting “patriarchy” by attempting to destroy an entire man’s life. Seriously how many men unjustly lost their jobs, had their reps destroyed, been stigmatized and worst of all falsely accused ever since #metoo incentivized sociopathic lying POS women like Amber Heard?

Just a news flash most men HATED sexual and physically abusive men long before #metoo. However the worst men usually had money and power to get away with it. If Harvey Weinstein wasn’t rich and famous he would of been out away a long time ago. And equating inappropriate behavior such as “catcalling” to outright heinous criminal behavior like sexual assault is completely asinine. But that’s what #metoo quickly devolved into.

I personally blame 1) influential modern feminists and 2) the liberal media for pushing all this bullshit. Most women aren’t stupid and but the worst ones always seem to the most attention and influence. They need to be CALLED out.

Anyway the biggest travesty is #metoo ultimately destroyed its original mission (calling out true rapists and abusers) by enabling all this other bullshit.

bolverk · Answer

It will shake up the victim narrative that has been pushed hard that it is only the women who are the victims of Domestic Violence,
UK Domestic abuse statistics:
Will affect 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men in their lifetime - Same sex relationships women - women the highest % of DV.
Leads to, on average, two women being murdered each week and 30 men per year.
Accounts for 16% of all violent crime (Source: Crime in England and Wales 04/05 report), however it is still the violent crime least likely to be reported to the police.
Has more repeat victims than any other crime (on average there will have been 35 assaults before a victim calls the police).
Is the single most quoted reason for becoming homeless (Shelter, 2002).
In 2010 the Forced Marriage Unit responded to 1735 reports of possible Forced Marriages.
The biggest problem is that the majority of cops have been put through The Duluth Model or Domestic Abuse Intervention Project is a program where they are brainwashed into always assuming that it is the men who are the aggressors in all cases.

D_Bone_Steak · Answer

I think it's changed that standard that females are perfect in any way no matter what because of... vagina. Like you, my opinion is also that violence is genderless.

This Amber Heard chick has just made it clear though. Her female-female relationship before Depp was also abusive with her on the more abusive end of things... she couldn't try to ride the #metoo bus to the bank though against another female. ... and that brings me to what I think is most disturbing out of all of it.

The willingness to play the victim card in the modern West. Jussie Somllett comes to mind when it comes to race. I'm hoping culture will start to spit on a ton of these 'victimhood' narratives. It does no justice for anyone that's an actual victim of anything.

TonyV · Answer

It certainly can't hurt. Should make more guys comforable to come forward, make some people aware that bad things can happen to men as well, and should make people stop blindly believing every accusation, cause now we have a popular example of a liar that everyone will see, sure there were plenty of youtube videos of women lying but they get ignored and swept under the rug, amber turd went after a well known popular man and for lots of people put the fact that this stuff sometimes happens to men on their radar.

So as much as this sucked for johny, I'm glad she did it, it's impossible to ignore now, and we can safely say anyone who denies or disagrees with the outcome is to be avoided.

CallmeTheKnight · Answer

A number of men have always been abused for years before this trial. So No I know it's not.

We do have to stop immediately believing people who make claims with no proof yo back it up. Too many false accusations have happened because of that.

Whenever someone refers to their "perpetrator" as a "person of power", that's normally a red flag that it's mostly BS. That narrative was used to fuel the MeToo movement, but the movement in itself was also bringing out the worst in people when it came to spreading lies for not wanting to look bad.

Johnnyroyyall · Answer

Making honestly there's no true definition of who gets abused more I was quietly secretly in a very abusive physical relationship with my ex she was the abuser I would refuse to hit her back which made her even more angry because she wanted that confrontation

It took three broken bones three knocked out teeth countless bruises and finally what ended it was her attempt to try to poison me... Was almost successful.. looking back on at now 9 years have passed I would have done things differently... I'm just now the last few years been trying to get back into dating but it hurt me deeply emotionally for 7 years

Anonymous · Answer

I'll post the same comment here that I made in another similar question. I see this as a sign of hope that western society is finally ready to begin moving past the default view of gender issues where women are always seen as the victims and men as the perpetrators. I believe this verdict is a direct reflection of the backlash against the "believe all women" bullshit that came out of the MeToo movement, and against modern feminism in general.

Since the verdict was announced yesterday I have read a lot of articles by, and comments from feminists who view the verdict as a "setback for women everywhere", a clear symptom of the gynocentric nature of modern feminism. Anyone who thinks feminism stands for equality, as it claims, if a fool.

jshm2 · Answer

No. there always have been male and female domestic abuse victims and both have won and lost various cases.

What this case highlights is how THE MEDIA portrays cases of women victims different from male victims.

In other words, half the shit you believe to be true in these cases is more down to you being too misinformed about the facts of these cases in courts.

RolandCuthbert · Answer

The court of public opinion isn't supposed to have an effect on what is actually legal or illegal.

So just because trolls on the internet were rooting against Amber doesn't make her guilty.

We need to look at what the ruling said. It said that both Heard and Depp were guilty. But Amber cost Johnny more money than Johnny cost Amber.

This sets a dangerous precedent. Because the court is saying both were guilty of defamation.

But not many at GaG can see that.

Guy13 · Answer

More Feminists Leftists feminizing men as weak little things that can’t help themselves.
It’s the men’s fault from the love and leave 1960s forward seeking Self fulfillment in ALL things attitude.
—Life and Society without an Absolute Truth where everyone does what is right in their own mind (Moral Relativism) reigns.
🤢🤢🤢

ChooChooHaha · Answer

That's a bullshit question. Abuse happens equally across the board, probably more often to men, because of the massive lack of reporting than women.

Coming forward, sure. Absolutely. But then again, Jerry Sandusky, USAG, The Vatican, Naomi Campbell, and Rick Allen Jones as well.

Кураж · Answer

I think the trial will have a bigger impact on men's rights in general rather than domestic abuse specifically.
Wokeism and toxic feminism of recent years made a lot of men feel like the society and, especially the law, is greatly biased against them these days.

I just find it ironic that most of Amber Heard's supporters and apologists are feminists, the very people who claim to advocate for "equality".

ohshee · Answer

Omg yes. If you e en new what I e been through I am so glad of the out come this and I'm so glad that so many people got to watch it because it happens that was mellow compared to things that happen there are women that will lie cheat please do whatever takes to make that guy pay for whatever it is she feels

Anpu23 · Answer

I hope this changes the bias in the legal system. The Duluth model has been the standard for both law enforcement and the courts for many years and that standard is gender biased. There have been activists who have spoken out about this subject, even the creator of the domestic abuse shelter stated that domestic violence is genderless but she got so much backlash on the subject (death threats etc) that she had to abandon her work.

John_Doesnt · Answer

It was good that he got more money but still shows how corrupt our system is when you find out the jury awarded Amber some money for her counter suit too. She never should have gotten anything, but based off of our screwy technicalities she got $5 which is just stupid.

888theGreat · Answer

I think he is a liar or a weak man. He should check to see if he still balls. Man up and not allow it. Or he could have left her. He has 20 homes. Why didn't he leave her 5 years earlier. You women are so gullible. I think he hit her. I know he grabbed her by hair and pulled it out. But you women hope you are next in his bed. Keep believing that fantasy. He wouldn't look at you twice.

ArrowheadSW · Answer

Oh yeah. Men can also be the victims of abuse. Most definitely. I can be physical abuse, but probably more commonly, emotional abuse or the woman intentionally tarnishing the man's reputation when it isn't called for.

PastorJohn69 · Answer

No. We as a country can't seem to remember past the news a week ago.
America has become retarded.
Individually, there are some impressive and amazing people.
As a whole..(maybe hole in this case) we have become victims of our own demise

jennifer_bloom · Answer

Most people agree men and woman are both sometimes victims of abuse and I don’t believe Johnny Depp is innocent - only that he was determined innocent by a jury who was probably bribed.

Anonymous · Answer

Men tried participating in the " Me Too" movement, but were quickly shut down by the same women simping for Johnny. A lot (not all) of the women are Johnny Depp fans, not fans of advocating for male victims.

I hope that this trial helps men feel comfortable coming forward but I still think male victims are going to continue being overlooked.

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This sets a dangerous precedent. Because the court is saying both were guilty of defamation.

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This sets a dangerous precedent. Because the court is saying both were guilty of defamation.

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