Killing is the absolute forbidden rule in life that no one should cross because we all have been blessed with life; and that includes taking your own life
@schittywok are you in the mood for killing anyone 😄 Just my own view on life lol, not based on religion, law or anything, had enough suicidal thoughts to think it over
No. I couldn't kill anyone unless they tried to kill me. Or they are a threat to family. People can off themselves. They can and they do. For whatever reasons. It's not up to you. To be uppities is a different thing. It isn't nice when they blow their head off with a shot gun. PTSD for anyone who comes across it. Should they think it over a bit? How to do it, and not cause anguish. Perhaps.
Suicide equal with being coward. No matter how hard is life, you must go through it. Choosing the easy way will only let others to carry your burden into their lives, something that they don't deserve it.
I think it's horrible and I hope you don't feel that way. Not really I feel horrible to see some people at such a low point they think that is the only way out.
Not, people got a lot of things they want to go right on their way. If someone wants to take his/her own life it seems they already gave up on everything, like there is no help. So being selfish doesn't mean somebody will commit suicide.
No, not if no one gives a fuck about them I guess, it's still not the right solution but it's not really selfish if there's no one to suffer for that person
So it’s selfish if you end your life after years and years of suffering just because other people will be sad but if no one is around then so what. That seems quite selfish to me tbh. People don’t owe others anything in my opinion and if it’s only selfish to commit suicide because of how other people feel and not about how you must’ve been feeling then it’s like you think more about yourself than the person who was actually struggling so much in life. Someone doesn’t just do that for no reason or because ah yeah they were going through a hard time like everyone else
There's therapy and other ways of helping that's not suicide, suicide is selfish, there's no way around it, you are thinking of yourself and make a decision that will effect others, it's what selfishness is and suicide isn't something that just effect that person that commits suicide, it makes the people that care about that person suffer, some might even view it as cowardly because it's the easy way out, selfishness means that you are thinking of yourself and not thinking of others, which is exactly what someone does when they make the decision to commit suicide, I didn't make the dictionary
Actually therapy doesn’t always work and doesn’t just take deep pain and suffering away. Some peoples pain and suffering is so much deeper than you think. You don’t owe anything to anyone. When you make choices in life so that you can be happy, you don’t think about every other person and how they feel, you’ll do what you feel will truly make you happy.
@themajesticking777 so say a guy has been diagnosed with a severe medical condition, motor neurone , Locked In, even Alzheimer’s. The prognosis is not good and their partner may have to give up their job to provide 24/7 care, even in some cases remortgage house, move to purpose built house.
If that person decides to commit suicide before they become completely dependant on their partner, is it being selfish?
Often there is no choice, this is part of the stigma around things to do with suicide, especially suicide ideation.
Basically what I am saying is, it is not always selfish, each case can be different and a blanket ‘it’s selfish’ is wrong.
Yes some could have been another way out, yes some will be selfish from the point of view of others, some even stupid when you look at them in cold light of day.
I have been part of 6 investigation boards where someone has committed suicide (Military) and shit they are thorough.
@TheMajesticKing777 I love what @Deathraider said, “What do we expect? For them to suffer through their pain for the sake of others?” Because no, therapy doesn’t always help, talking to people doesn’t always help. While you think you could get over some things in life and be fine, there are others who cannot.
I hope you know that you’re actually the selfish one. You’re thinking about yourself and how you’d feel if someone close to you passed away, you’re not thinking about them and how they must’ve been feeling… just you and how you feel.
You are talking about feelings, I'm talking about someone's well being, if you think someone's feelings out do someone's health then I don't know what to tell you, I know most issues can be solved one way or another, people move on, the brain adjusts to changes so committing suicide is not the right solution if it's not for situations chris mentioned where suicide is the best answer, which are limited
Personally to me it's a selfish choice when it comes to your family, if you can accept my opinion then I don't understand why you would ask the question, so you want me to lie to you and tell you what you wanna hear cause I don't see the point of this discussion
No you’re selfish because you’re thinking about yourself and not that person. Of course I’d never want anyone to make that choice but it’s also not my choice to make now is it? I’d be selfish if I said to them, “don’t do this, I’ll suffer so much”…. And you don’t see how that’s not selfish? You want them to live a life of suffering and pain, you want to prolong that just so you don’t feel sad
Because they feel sad, so fuck medications and therapy and family support and friends support and their partner, their best solution is to kill themselves? Really?
You are putting yourself too much on the perspective of the person suffering and being in pain and not thinking of any other perspective and point of view of how serious the situation is.
Hang on a second, not once did I say that. Maybe read properly. Even people who have gotten help, have gotten therapy and have spoken with family, they still see suicide as the only way out and at that point you literally cannot stop them because they will do it. Is it incredibly sad? Yes! So fucking sad but you know what? That’s their choice and some people just can’t find the peace they want and need and that’s their way out. You have absolutely no idea what’s going on in a persons head unless they themselves have told you every single thing but I suppose for people like you, their feelings don’t matter because they’re still selfish for wanting to do that right?
All that stuff can mean Jack shit when their head is all over. Therapy, family support, friends, etc. If a person isn’t happy, if a person is depressed, I’d a person is suffering deep within, sometimes all that does fuck all.
People like me? I don't know what category you are putting me on but I'm going to stop trying to reason with you, I doubt you'd be thinking the same if someone you cared about was thinking of suicide, you'd be trying everything to stop them, I'm guessing from what you say, that would make you selfish, you are confusing me, gree to disagree
I just lost a friend/family to suicide. Years of therapy, her family at her beck and call for support, great friends, etc. In her own words, she felt it was better this was, she was sick of feeling crazy, feeling depressed, feeling sick and that wasn’t her, she don’t have peace on this earth. So mate, for many, all that stuff can mean nothing if the person themselves truly just doesn’t want to be here, if they think that’s the best option for them. Of course you fucking wish they chose otherwise but She suffered a lot and I’d be selfish to say she had to keep dealing with that for the rest of her fucking life so I didn’t feel sad. Reading her journals and how it was full of positivity, her trying to be positive through the hell of a storm she was going through, she tried really hard to be okay. End of the day that’s not being selfish. That’s her making a choice to make her happy, she needed her peace
I hope you never have to deal with someone suffering as much as she did and making that choice. I hope you never get so low in life that you want to leave that way too.
I don’t think it’s selfish. Is it the easier way out? Yes but it’s not selfish bc I truly believe people only commit suicide when they truly can’t take whatever they’re going through anymore.
More stupid , since that person will go straight to Hell and be there forever and whatever the problem was , it will be 1000 x worse in hell. So , he or she is getting rid of one problem and just adding more problems.
Hmm well maybe.. it's considered a sin though. In my opinion being orphan doesn't stop you from becoming someone and reaching goals.. it really depends on the personality and character of the person...
Ah fair enough if you’re religious but don’t forget that sin is sin and everyone sins daily. No sin is better or worse than the other. A person who has committed suicide can still be forgiven. So judging a person for sinning differently from you isn’t right in my opinion.
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Killing is the absolute forbidden rule in life that no one should cross because we all have been blessed with life; and that includes taking your own life
That's a crock of shit.
@schittywok are you in the mood for killing anyone 😄
Just my own view on life lol, not based on religion, law or anything, had enough suicidal thoughts to think it over
No. I couldn't kill anyone unless they tried to kill me. Or they are a threat to family. People can off themselves. They can and they do. For whatever reasons. It's not up to you. To be uppities is a different thing. It isn't nice when they blow their head off with a shot gun. PTSD for anyone who comes across it. Should they think it over a bit? How to do it, and not cause anguish. Perhaps.
Suicide equal with being coward. No matter how hard is life, you must go through it. Choosing the easy way will only let others to carry your burden into their lives, something that they don't deserve it.
I think it's horrible and I hope you don't feel that way. Not really I feel horrible to see some people at such a low point they think that is the only way out.
I do not blame people
cause this place is not the most fun
but the human race was bought with a price by the most high
no one should kill themselves
I think it's selfish to judge other people's suffering.
Suicide is one of those things that can be spun to be a number of different interpretations depending on ones narrative.
Not, people got a lot of things they want to go right on their way. If someone wants to take his/her own life it seems they already gave up on everything, like there is no help. So being selfish doesn't mean somebody will commit suicide.
It’s not selfish but it’s sinful and cowardly and wicked
While it is sinful, we all sin so how can we judge them for sinning differently from us? Sin is sin at the end of the day and everyone can be forgiven
To the outward observer, it definitely looks like it but to the suicidal person, they think they are doing everyone else a favor by offing themselves.
You don't owe your life to anyone. It's yours, to do with as you choose. But remember, once it's gone you don't get another.
Yeap, and nothing wrong with that. The world didn't help ease the pain, so one does what one can to do so.
Of course, your family suffers, there's many more solutions to problems
What about an orphan who has no family and no actual close friends? Would you say it’s still selfish then?
No, not if no one gives a fuck about them I guess, it's still not the right solution but it's not really selfish if there's no one to suffer for that person
So it’s selfish if you end your life after years and years of suffering just because other people will be sad but if no one is around then so what. That seems quite selfish to me tbh. People don’t owe others anything in my opinion and if it’s only selfish to commit suicide because of how other people feel and not about how you must’ve been feeling then it’s like you think more about yourself than the person who was actually struggling so much in life. Someone doesn’t just do that for no reason or because ah yeah they were going through a hard time like everyone else
There's therapy and other ways of helping that's not suicide, suicide is selfish, there's no way around it, you are thinking of yourself and make a decision that will effect others, it's what selfishness is and suicide isn't something that just effect that person that commits suicide, it makes the people that care about that person suffer, some might even view it as cowardly because it's the easy way out, selfishness means that you are thinking of yourself and not thinking of others, which is exactly what someone does when they make the decision to commit suicide, I didn't make the dictionary
Actually therapy doesn’t always work and doesn’t just take deep pain and suffering away. Some peoples pain and suffering is so much deeper than you think. You don’t owe anything to anyone. When you make choices in life so that you can be happy, you don’t think about every other person and how they feel, you’ll do what you feel will truly make you happy.
@themajesticking777 so say a guy has been diagnosed with a severe medical condition, motor neurone , Locked In, even Alzheimer’s. The prognosis is not good and their partner may have to give up their job to provide 24/7 care, even in some cases remortgage house, move to purpose built house.
If that person decides to commit suicide before they become completely dependant on their partner, is it being selfish?
You can’t blame them for how you feel. Have some compassion for people
Another one that a few years back was a real consideration and talked about.
You are in a military vehicle travelling through say ISIS area, your vehicle comes under attack, it’s disabled, ammo is running low.
The choices, surrender to ISIS and face beheading or cooked alive
A 9mm to the head
What would be most compassionate for your family back at home?
You are changing everything, those are serious situations and you would've died anyways, I'm speaking about the people that have a choice
And mental illness is also different, you are thinking of something completely different
If y'all want to disagree then go ahead but suicide is selfish if you have a family right next to you
I am speaking from real life and experience.
Often there is no choice, this is part of the stigma around things to do with suicide, especially suicide ideation.
Basically what I am saying is, it is not always selfish, each case can be different and a blanket ‘it’s selfish’ is wrong.
Yes some could have been another way out, yes some will be selfish from the point of view of others, some even stupid when you look at them in cold light of day.
I have been part of 6 investigation boards where someone has committed suicide (Military) and shit they are thorough.
@TheMajesticKing777 I love what @Deathraider said, “What do we expect? For them to suffer through their pain for the sake of others?” Because no, therapy doesn’t always help, talking to people doesn’t always help. While you think you could get over some things in life and be fine, there are others who cannot.
There's always a choice, my mind won't change, there's no point of wasting your time, both of y'all, sorry 🤷🏽
I hope you know that you’re actually the selfish one. You’re thinking about yourself and how you’d feel if someone close to you passed away, you’re not thinking about them and how they must’ve been feeling… just you and how you feel.
So I'm selfish because I wouldn't want someone else to commit suicide? How does that work?
You are talking about feelings, I'm talking about someone's well being, if you think someone's feelings out do someone's health then I don't know what to tell you, I know most issues can be solved one way or another, people move on, the brain adjusts to changes so committing suicide is not the right solution if it's not for situations chris mentioned where suicide is the best answer, which are limited
Personally to me it's a selfish choice when it comes to your family, if you can accept my opinion then I don't understand why you would ask the question, so you want me to lie to you and tell you what you wanna hear cause I don't see the point of this discussion
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No you’re selfish because you’re thinking about yourself and not that person. Of course I’d never want anyone to make that choice but it’s also not my choice to make now is it? I’d be selfish if I said to them, “don’t do this, I’ll suffer so much”…. And you don’t see how that’s not selfish? You want them to live a life of suffering and pain, you want to prolong that just so you don’t feel sad
So your solution instead of help, you believe they are better off dead and that's a better solution to their sufferment?
Because they feel sad, so fuck medications and therapy and family support and friends support and their partner, their best solution is to kill themselves? Really?
You are putting yourself too much on the perspective of the person suffering and being in pain and not thinking of any other perspective and point of view of how serious the situation is.
Hang on a second, not once did I say that. Maybe read properly. Even people who have gotten help, have gotten therapy and have spoken with family, they still see suicide as the only way out and at that point you literally cannot stop them because they will do it. Is it incredibly sad? Yes! So fucking sad but you know what? That’s their choice and some people just can’t find the peace they want and need and that’s their way out. You have absolutely no idea what’s going on in a persons head unless they themselves have told you every single thing but I suppose for people like you, their feelings don’t matter because they’re still selfish for wanting to do that right?
People are often in so much pain they don’t see any other way and that it’s better for everyone.
All that stuff can mean Jack shit when their head is all over. Therapy, family support, friends, etc. If a person isn’t happy, if a person is depressed, I’d a person is suffering deep within, sometimes all that does fuck all.
People like me? I don't know what category you are putting me on but I'm going to stop trying to reason with you, I doubt you'd be thinking the same if someone you cared about was thinking of suicide, you'd be trying everything to stop them, I'm guessing from what you say, that would make you selfish, you are confusing me, gree to disagree
Have you ever had suicidal thoughts yourself?
I just lost a friend/family to suicide. Years of therapy, her family at her beck and call for support, great friends, etc. In her own words, she felt it was better this was, she was sick of feeling crazy, feeling depressed, feeling sick and that wasn’t her, she don’t have peace on this earth.
So mate, for many, all that stuff can mean nothing if the person themselves truly just doesn’t want to be here, if they think that’s the best option for them. Of course you fucking wish they chose otherwise but She suffered a lot and I’d be selfish to say she had to keep dealing with that for the rest of her fucking life so I didn’t feel sad. Reading her journals and how it was full of positivity, her trying to be positive through the hell of a storm she was going through, she tried really hard to be okay. End of the day that’s not being selfish. That’s her making a choice to make her happy, she needed her peace
I hope you never have to deal with someone suffering as much as she did and making that choice. I hope you never get so low in life that you want to leave that way too.
My brother was a trigger away from it what stopped him was his families sufferment, I guess people are just built different
I don’t think it’s selfish. Is it the easier way out? Yes but it’s not selfish bc I truly believe people only commit suicide when they truly can’t take whatever they’re going through anymore.
More stupid , since that person will go straight to Hell and be there forever and whatever the problem was , it will be 1000 x worse in hell. So , he or she is getting rid of one problem and just adding more problems.
For legal reasons I'm going to say it's a selfish bad thing and nobody should do it
It depends. There is no one size fits all to this question.
Ask this: if the suicidal person shared that one thought what might happen? There is your answer.
Only if you have a family that you've created... Kids or a spouse who loves you and made their plans based on you... Other than that it's not
When you commit suicide you make your family suffer. This is very selfish
Let’s say someone was an orphan, no family and no good close friends, would you say it’s still selfish then?
Hmm well maybe.. it's considered a sin though. In my opinion being orphan doesn't stop you from becoming someone and reaching goals.. it really depends on the personality and character of the person...
Ah fair enough if you’re religious but don’t forget that sin is sin and everyone sins daily. No sin is better or worse than the other. A person who has committed suicide can still be forgiven. So judging a person for sinning differently from you isn’t right in my opinion.
no one asks for life
Well I don't know
suicide was made illegal in roman times
as the slaves traded would commit suicide this would mean the person that bought them was out of pocket
People who have suffered so much and have no hope of salvation commit suicide.