Do you think LGBTQ education should be mandatory in American schools?

[Suraj1711]

It should be mandatory.

It should be an optional subject.

It shouldn't be mandatory.

[Mia-Wallace]

No idea about public schools.

I'll home school my kid with a bunch of other kids.

I'm more concerened about teaching my kid *not* to see the naked human body and physical affection in just sexual or romantic terms. I'm more concerned to desexualize the human body for him and opening his mind to the world beyond what Hollywood or this or that collective with a flag are offering us.

LGBTQ is about

1. Romance
2. Sex
3. Identity as far as it's concerned with romance and sex (there are far more complex aspects to our psychology and identity and it makes no difference at all if we're a man or woman or who we fuck when we're thinking about them (morality, existence, purpose, etc.). Trans identity is really just about who to romance and who to have sex with and how you see yourself in those specific situations. (There's no reason for me to become a man if I want to debate the simulation hypothesis or human existence - the only area/situation where that's relevant is sex and romance)

I don't think my child needs to narrow his view of life and his body down to labels that are about romance and sex so early in his life.

Instead, I like him to stay out of those boxes (and thinking in those boxes) and learn to swim and play naked/half naked with other kids, see naked bodies, and become less sensitive and more comfortable in his own skin. I want him to be able to socialize and express himself clearly. To touch other people, the opposite and the same sex, without thinking "ohh yeah hot" or "I'm in love", or don't if there are boundaries. I want him to be anything but shy about expressing his need for physical affection without mixing it with erotic stuff or romance.

Not all physical affection is romantic or erotic, and kids should learn to be physical when they must. They should be able to touch each other without being scared of other people thinking they have either erotic or romantic intentions or both. Physical affection is far beyond those two intentions.

And I don't want him to avoid acting this or that way just to fit in the current socially acceptable "straight" behaviour or "gay" behaviour (including their fashion/art and all the crap they sell promoted by LGBTQ).

I want him to be independent. I want him to be his own person.

In time, he'll feel horny and fall in love without me even knowing. And when that time comes, with his independence, confidence, and how normal human physical/emotional interaction is for him, he will be far less likely to fall for infatuations or beg for sex and more likely to find an authentic relationship, a deep emotional connection, with the same or the opposite sex or both. There won't be a problem with either and I'm going to make him sure of that.

A kid knowing all +100 genders written in some colorful book won't be any less awkward in love or crap in his/her choices if he grows up in an overy sexualized and abusive environment without proper role models, socializing, and play time (there are exceptions, but not all kids are that strong).

Do I want my boy to just feel good about fucking other boys, or do I want him to be able to form a *good* relationship, regardless of his lover's gender? Yeah, the latter.

Joining/supporting LGBTQ? That'll be his decision.

[Minxxie]

It can always be done in an age-appropriate way and i think people freak out about "the gay agenda" being pushed onto innocent kids while heterosexuality is being pushed onto toddlers and babies right in front of their eyes. I think it's all wrong.

There are baby clothes that say stuff like "I love boobies!" and "no boys allowed until daddy says so!" yet nobody bats an eye! If lesbians were putting "I love boobies!" onesies on little girls people would RIOT. I don't think it's okay when anyone does it! We don't need to ever sexualize children.

I'm Canadian but I had this type of education growing up and I appreciate it! It helped me remain empathetic and kind because I knew what being transgender meant when someone came out to me in high school. My friends didn't freak out when my lesbian aunties came to pick me up from school, they knew that adults can fall in love with adults of the same gender or a different gender. Kids are a lot more intelligent than most people give them credit for, they can conceptualize the meaning of love without ever having to learn about any form of sex.

So for toddlers, all they had to say was "Some people have a mommy and a daddy, and some people have two mommies or two daddies. All that matters is that a family loves each other." kids aren't TrAuMATiZED by learning about different kinds of families, they taught us about step-parents and adoption and blended families as well and we were just like "SWEET! So that's why Summer has two daddies? And Anthony has step-parents who pick him up from school sometimes? nice, pass the legos please!"

Then in high school kids can learn more technical stuff so that EVERY teen knows how to have safe sex even if it isn't strictly hetero penetrative sex. It's information everyone needs to know especially with porn normalizing things like anal which some young straight couples might want to try and not know how to do it safely and without pain. Abstinence-only "education" doesn't work which is why out of all the high schools in my big city my school had the lowest rates of teen pregnancy and STDS. Our school had someone from the city's sexual health center who was QUALIFIED come and teach about all forms of sex and about consent.

With the internet kids will find out everything anyway, we may as well teach them properly and gradually based on what is appropriate for their age.

[N192K001]

NO, such a waste of the parents' money, as well as the student's time & effort!

Financial-management (inc. tax-filing!), emergency-response, basic survival-skills (incl. self-defense, cookery, swimming, etc.), flat-tire replacement (if in car-culture jurisdiction), foreign-language literacy (even fluency), and other would be far more useful.

Must we be reminded of the U. S.'s ridiculously-low rankings in world academic-achievement?
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/15/u-s-students-internationally-math-science/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/us-students-continue-to-lag-behind-peers-in-east-asia-and-europe-in-reading-math-and-science-exams-show/2019/12/02/e9e3b37c-153d-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html
In the ranking of the world's most educated jurisdictions, the U. S. is nowhere in the top 10.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/30/the-10-most-educated-countries-in-the-world.html

If Americans don't want to be left behind in R&D & the resulting economic-innovations and/or be utterly dependent on us foreign-imports to keep the U. S. economy afloat, U. S. academics will have to focus on what actually matters. What good will it be for American students being stuck memorizing 100+ "genders" while their competitors abroad are memorizing complex equations, studying Calculus for fun (Yes, an Asian preteen friend of mine doing that.), and tinkering with robotics-sets during electives?

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

Which African nation tops the US on that list?

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

or Middle Eastern for that matter

[N192K001]

@hostboy__fastestlaps The 2018 C. N. B. C. article doesn't mention it, but the article's cited ranker, Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (O. E. C. D.)'s latest rankings has South Africa & Israel as both ranking above the U. S.
data.oecd.org/.../adult-education-level.htm
More info can probably also be found in the O. E. C. D.'s academics-focused page for the U. S.:
gpseducation.oecd.org/CountryProfile

[Chazmatazz269]

I suppose so. Maybe public education has changed a great deal over the past three decades, but when i was in skool we had “social studies” which was a kind of historical view of social and societal issues. To whatever extent we were free to compare and contrast our history with contemporary issues, we learned how conditions changed and why. Later, there was another class called “social issues”, a deliberately more contemporary look at social and societal issues. Literally looking at headlines and talking about where we are as a society and how we move forward equitably despite the issues we have. These are two classes in which discussions about emerging identities and ideologies can and should be had. Considering the rapid decay of public education in the US, maybe those classes aren’t as prominent, or maybe not available at all. The key though is DISCUSSION. It’s not a lecture to be administered. There MUST be freedom to engage in open and honest discussion before people will feel comfortable with the result. If any group or groups feel marginalized by censorship, there will always be conflict. Conflict is best resolved mutually.

[OlderAndWiser]

I think it should be forbidden. Schools are intended to teach us about academic matters, not replace parents for teaching values to our children. And I DO NOT trust public schools to handle any of this in a fair and unbiased manner.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

It should be mandatory.

If I had gotten education on LGBTQ subjects when I was in elementary and junior high, I would have had a chance to grow up bisexual and non-binary. I would have known how to describe how I felt, made friends who understood me for me, and been much more at ease in my adult life.

Because I did not have this kind of education, and I was instead subjected to heteronormative society, I didn't realize I was bisexual until I was 27. Gender questioning started at 31.

By allowing children to learn about LGBTQ - just giving them the language and the concepts, doesn't have to be detailed unless the kid asks for more details - it will help them learn about themselves.

This is a world where political strife, war, climate change, food shortage, and economic collapse are guarantees.

If we can save some kids the pain of living in the closet through all that, guaranteed, we'll save a few lives.

Let kids be kids - that means letting some of them be gay. Because that's just how humans are. There is a larger % of the population who is intersex (1.7%) than there are natural red heads (1.3%). Humans are far from the only mammals with homosexuality and gender non-conforming behaviours. Over 5,000 species have been observed with those behaviours.

It's literally science.

Teach children the truth. Let them choose for themselves. We're killing their planet, we owe them this much.

[Guy__]

How about the science of endocrine disrupting chemicals?
A simple search shows this
www.nationalgeographic.com/.../150305-chemicals-endocrine-disruptors-diabetes-toxic-environment-ngfood

If chemicals such as atrazine in food and water, at very low doses made male frogs produce viable eggs...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049

Please read the first two paragraphs. Also this:
"In Exp. 1, we exposed larvae to atrazine at nominal concentrations of 0.01, 0.1, 1.0, 10.0, and 25 parts per billion (ppb)...

At all doses tested (except 0.01 ppb), atrazine produced gonadal abnormalities. Up to 20% of the animals (16–20%) had multiple gonads (up to 6 in a single animal) or were hermaphrodites (with multiple testes and ovaries; Fig. 2). These abnormalities were never observed in control animals in the current experiments or in over 10,000 observations of control animals in our laboratory over the last 6 years."

Such as food ingredients still in use decades after getting banned? (A very long list of them), to save my time let me share a paste.
For the example of synthetic red coloring https://textsaver.flap.tv/lists/4ehi

Such as Alkyphynols in soaps not even labeled as an ingredient?
www.sciencedirect.com/.../alkylphenol

Let's just say there is so much that it's painful to speak about, can I leave you excerpts from a scientific book called "estrogeneration"?
https://textsaver.flap.tv/lists/4ehl
https://textsaver.flap.tv/lists/4ehj
https://textsaver.flap.tv/lists/4ehp
https://textsaver.flap.tv/lists/4ehn
https://textsaver.flap.tv/lists/4ehg

[Guy__]

Maybe a short video from another scientist could be more helpful
https://theexcelpractice.com/sperm-count-drop/

Or take fluoride for example, the first study in my search results showed this:
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp655

How many schools are teaching proper diaphragmatic nose breathing (which is the difference between being fit and sick)? Probably very few, even those who banned wifi routers don't. Did you know that in many countries it's illegal to have wifi in school? Let me share a random study from the top of the search results:
www.sciencedirect.com/.../S2305050015000044

Which is more important to you, LGBTQ or Health Hazards education? Could they be interconnected and maybe we need to get educated on both subjects?

[Guy__]

Do you suggest me to make a separate thread for this?

[Guy__]

@KelleyNice I remember you wanted to make a mytake about this. I don't know if you did. But do you think the two topics are related? Which one in your opinion is more important to teach at schools?

[KelleyNice]

@Guy__ MyTake on education titled, "K to 12 Education," was my suggesting that if we are going to publicly finance education, the money should go to the parents. The parents could then use the money to home school, apply it toward paying for private schooling, or it will pay for public school.

[Guy__]

It sounded like you would post about fertility decline...

[Datboi65]

Hell to the no no NO. I'm not gonna go through life, find a significant other, settle down and have kids just so they are corrupted by the educational system to accept something I think is absolutely immoral. Listen, you can be pro-lgbt all you want, but if your lifestyle doesn't allow for you to make children, then DO NOT push you worldview unto children that are the byproduct of heterosexual mating. You made that choice, so I'm good with your lifestyle long as it doesn't affect me. The minute it does, we're gonna have problems.

[Hrumf]

I don’t think it should be. Americans don’t teach heterosexual education to children in schools, so why should LGBTQ education be mandatory?


If a child wants to take a course on this, let there be electives available for children and let them choose to take this class. Or an LGBTQ club where they educate about LGBTQ history.



I would rather sex ed be mandatory once kids reach a certain age. Safe sex knowledge is a huge issue in America. That will at least apply and be helpful for everyone!

[BCA6010]

There is no reason whatsoever why sexuality of any kind should be taught in schools, especially on a mandatory basis. That has nothing to do with preparing kids to become functioning, productive adults in society. In fact, teachers and staff who promote the subject should be treated as pedophile groomers, and sex as a whole should only be discussed within the relevant subject of biology, which is typically not taught at a considerable of detail until about 9th grade (genetics usually comes before that).

[EarthRealm]

LGBTQ education can be Learned at home and in Books 📚 that are Bought online or in Libraries or a simple Internet search.
So no I don’t Think straight men should be forced to listen to LGBTQ it would Increase Hatred that a lot of dudes have for LGBTQ and it would open up more dudes to hating gays and the entire LGBTQ
MORE fights schools shootings would happen because gay men can fly
Which if you know who said that it was said by a ISIS man that hated gays and he Would throw gays off roof tops and say they can fly
So If you want More people to die then yeah maybe you’ll get your wish.

[TenderFantasy]

No it shouldn't be mandatory. What has the world come to? Lol. People never fail to want attention! Not to mention special teatment!

Children don't even know how to wipe their own butts (they are still learning about life in general and how to survive and thrive in it). We don't NEED to shove this weird (ABNORMAL) crap down their already overwhelmed throats/brains!

[TheBigGuy9]

We were told all they wanted was to get married? Despite what we may be told, the lgtbq community is very small. I wonder what the percentage is of people who truly love another vs others where this is their fantasy? Democrat, Andrew Gillum. He’s back in the news now because of wire fraud?


I’ve noticed throughout life that about every time a gay man hit on me, they steered the conversation immediately into something sexual.


This should scare the lgtbq community because of the kid’s ages they want to teach this too. They want to teach them this before they reach puberty. Then when they do go through puberty, they will think this means that because that’s what I was told all day & every day.


Number 6 in the Saul Alinsky playbook.

[monorprise]

Given the collapse of families and sub-replacement level birth rates in every industrialized country on Earth.

You would think a country interested in its own self-preservation would strongly discourage such anti-reproductive life styles.

Either we do it, or the smarter civilization that takes over our land when we are too week and few in number to defend it will to it. Either way it will be done.

[Apulu_Imback]

Wth I would leave my school if they taught this! School is to teach us basics of education. Not such weird things. We don't even know about life. It's already really confusing for us teenagers. This thing would make it worse. Let them know about this thing from internet only. Learning from school will make them confused about themselves as they will take it as something serious.

[Cubus]

Exactly.

You are lucky this trend hasn't reached your country yet.

[Apulu_Imback]

@Cubus Yes thank god I knew this from GaG only.

[Cubus]

Sadly it's coming to my country. We used not to have artificial problems like this

[Apulu_Imback]

@Cubus I don't think this will be added in school.

[Cubus]

Left wings want to add this to school.

[Apulu_Imback]

@Cubus Wait really? I thought it was just rumors right? Parents may go against it.

[Cubus]

Left wingers want it, conservatives don't want it.

[Apulu_Imback]

@Cubus If they are so into this thing then they should add it in senior high school years. It's also Bad idea but yeah what can we do on this. Thank god I stay in conservative part.

[Cubus]

By "conservative part" you mean your family, your school, country or state?

[Apulu_Imback]

@Cubus yeah

[Bratsondanielle]

It should be illegal and anyone who pushes sexual stuff on children should be either jailed for life or simply put down (death sentence). ... and by the way why do they use death sentence so little? It's a lot cheaper than feeding them 40 years

[jshm2]

Don't be daft.

We don't teach "straight education" or "Black education" or "female education" in schools do we?

What people really want is "better education" and these current education models aren't it.

[jjj101010]

Should it be mentioned? Yes
should it be a whole subject? No, there are more important things to teach like financial management so kids learn about debt, credit cards and banking and sensible things they will actually need. Why are kids not taught how to review their energy suppliers and the pros and cons of buying a car in finance vs cash? All more useful, for most of the population, 1 in 10 are gay, however the number that are in debt are far higher. Teach what needs to be taught in a pro rata basis of how much it will be needed

[Lionman95]

I don't think it's a good idea to make it mandatory because kids simply don't have the brain capacity fully developed to comprehend the consequences of that decision.
Like most kids are easily manipulated and do things because it follows a trend and allows them to be seen not because they want it.

[Adam1978]

Since they can't even define themselves how do you expect their to be any subject on the matter. I personally think it's a waste of time and effort. There is no need for special treatment of these people. If you just treat everyone the same. It's fair and easy.

[Smashingdoozy]

Kids learn about families in schools. LGBT families exist, so it's only fair to represent them and not just ignore them when talking about family dynamics. Kids understand a lot more than you think they do.

Like what on earth do you think they're wanting to teach?

[ManHater]

Might as well teach your kids that anything goes.

[Smashingdoozy]

@ManHater I mean... Anything does go. So yes...

[RavVid]

It is a great idea to make little kiddies insecure in their gender isn't?

Lets also not forget that children are often not very nice which is why we have to socialize them and bullying is quite common. LGBTQ education is going to teach more terms that some kids can be bullied with.

[erandal]

As a footnote to basic sexual education it should be covered but I would be worried that they would promote it above other significantly more important subjects. Education in schools is messed up the world over with many basic life skills being missed out completely.

[ShaTTeredMasterpeace]

Of all the important shit that is NOT taught in schools, this isn't one that tops my list. I wish I had learned about finances and taxes and shit that would've helped me in life.

[andreasderjuengere]

I think, it's also acceptable in other country's schools.
As part of 'social science' this topic can be addressed safely. Early middle school looks like a convenient timing to me.
If some parents are being paranoid about manipulation - why not have TWO teachers with opposing views handle the lessons.
Only teaching what ''we'' want to hear - that works in Afghanistan.