The problem seems to be easy access, inexpensive, and illegally sold guns. So objectively, we should make guns as expensive as possible. Then only the best and most dedicated will own them. Not street thugs.
We’ve had military grade weapons in the hands of civilians in this country since it’s foundation.
Since WW 2 we’ve have military surplus rifles in the hands of civilians. Some of them being magazine fed.
To add to all those, since the 60’s we’ve had the SKS, Mini 14, AK-47, and AR-15 in most states.
1940 - 2000 there were barely and mass shooting. The only one that sands out was Charles Whitman in Texas
Over the last 22 years they increase in frequency. These days we have one a week.
It has really been the last 20 years and increasing frequency that this occurred.
It is noted there if a direct link between decreasing values and morals and the increase in mass murder. There is a direct link between woke and liberal ideology and mass shootings.
Just reverse this “post Christian” society as a license to in doctrinaire and foment hated.
Why do you wavy everyone to guns. Do you feel unsafe. You can get a gun of Your own.
That's a very bad idea to make guns as expensive as possible. That would only make the weapon industry more dominating, because only rich and powerful people would be able to buy guns, and this would not prevent illegally sold guns. A good question would be: in who's pockets would end the difference in price? The State? Politicians? Corruption? The industry and intermediaries? Retailers?
The higher the prices, the more interests there will be for all involved people, and still no security will result. I think that if guns can legally be sold, the prices should just be correct: not cheaper, not higher. On the other hand something could be improved in the field of licences and controls.
Let's nevertheless face the fact that criminals don't feel the need to heed laws, and that higher prices would only make illegal business more interesting. Not an easy subject, and no miraculous solution.
I dont think making them exspinsive will help that much, its just money
I think a better one is fource who ever owns a gun to be held to limits and reqrirment on it
such as, wepon e must be kept in a safe, they pass some mental check to see there of a sound mind, and pass talks with fire arms accidents and victems that lost there loved once as of someone mishandleing
Run a refresher of the last every year or two
Run an invetory check fine, as in any stolen or lost wepon e must be reported in X amount of time failing to do so shuld result is a seruise punisment as its life in danger on that
If you make guns pricey your just open a black market to be more applieing and grow there bussniess, as well as not stop the main problems around it
I would say no, as criminals would steal them or get them from non legal sources anyway. I did think about this a couple of years ago and from every viewpoint I could see benefits and drawbacks but not a single viable solution.
The only solution would be to implement similar restrictions to that which we have in Europe (basically banned except for those which have gone through an extensive vetting process) but I can't really see 99.9% of all the firearms in the US being handed in for destruction.
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They’re already trying that. That’s where the whole 80% unfinished phenomenon came from, the extremely high cost of ownership which racially segregates Firearms from the people who need them the most. If according to the left raising the price of some thing is racist and according to that same left most shootings occur in the inner cities, wouldn’t it then make more sense not to be so racist against their base? Great choice in gun for yourself by the way, a 1911 in.45 Auto. Two world wars!!!😆
An excellent choice! I have a Taurus Judge revolver close by.
@MikeInHawaii People at the store talk a lot of crap about those, but what has your experience been?
It shoots.410 shotgun shells. I figure it’s great if someone kicks my door in when I’m barely awake and my accuracy won’t be so good.
@MikeInHawaii oh you gotta pump it…
Criminals get guns in 2 ways, for at least a vast majority of the time:
1) stealing lawfully owned guns
2) what's called a straw purchase.
Straw purchases are essentially buying a gun for someone else who can't legally own a gun. There is little chance you're gonna stop someone capable of completing straw purchases for others, but you'll have a very high chance of preventing Tiffany, single mom of 2, who wants a gun for protection, from buying one. Criminals legitimately do not care about the letter of the law, and will continue breaking them, but Tiffany wouldn't have access to guns for her personal self defense or the defense of her kids.
It would lead to the (almost certain) death of Tiffany, and possibly her children, but the criminal would still have the gun.
Yeah but street thugs get them for like $100 a piece already even though the average gun is $600 for the law-abiding citizens. I know... I'm a street thug and I've also bought legally.
More rules and blockades only affect people that obey the laws. Your average street thug gets them easier than you can get you driver's license.
So your idea is cute, sounds a bit naive, and I think your heart is in the right place, but that kind of thinking doesn't stop criminals at all. It just stops the law-abiding citizen that could've stopped a mass shooting.
@Juxtapose I got this Walther P22 next to me for $100 with no scratched-off serial number... It was owned by a Philipino dude that fled America because of taxes so I got a deal. All the guns I've bought legally cost way more and I had to do that waiting thing and background check. I checked the number online and it's just legit just mine now. I mean to be honest... I don't think I'm going to buy legally ever again.
Bad guys will always find a way to kill somebody with a gun. They're in Indianapolis a crazy went wild and started shooting in a mall. I used to live near by that mall many years ago. It is a blessing that one man took his gun to the mall to shop with his family. This man was educated and how to use a gun and save many lives. I was taught how to use a weapon. You never point a weapon at anybody. In my youth before I could get me a license I had to go through a gun safety course that was offered by NRA. Maybe that's what we need to do before you can purchase a weapon you need to go through a massive training course. Why is it the people hurt people. We need to learn to treat people with respect. You can't make things expensive you can't put rules and and try to fix a problem. Education is the best way to fix some of the problems weapons. There are a lot of mental health issues.
Existing systems disagree.
It's an interesting idea although I don't know how many inexpensive or cheap guns still being sold every time I own gun shop I feel like I've been well you get the idea and if you make them so expensive that the average I can't afford one how do you think the criminals are going to get them yep deal so they'll have a better class of weapon anyway I still think the best idea I've ever gun control would be everybody has to carry one and everybody has to be trained how to use I'm not serious about that either I don't know what the gun control answer is is never going to be on the gets everybody happy if they just enforce the laws they already have probably wouldn't be as big a deal as it is anyway good idea let me know
It would go a long way but in reality the best way would to make ownership without valid clause illegal combined with a mass consification. Harsh penalties for anyone not complying and treat all gun carrying criminals as if they were going equipt to murder
That worked so well in NAZI Germany and Cuba.
@MikeInHawaii nazi gun control is a myth and its embarrassing you believe it.
Is it a myth that over 100 million people in the 20th century were murdered by their own governments? Exactly the reason I don’t want the government to have a monopoly?
@MikeInHawaii pretty sure we could look at all history and blame governments for wars, which is fine. But that doesn't mean we should have unfettered rights to killing machines.
Sometimes Leftists like @OddBeMe just unmask themselves:
https://reason.com/2022/01/16/gun-control-is-just-as-racist-as-drug-control/
So you want to relegate the ability to buy a gun to the rich? Isn't it the rich who would keep you under their thumb? And you want to give them the means of carrying their agenda out without having the means to defend yourself from their oppression?
The problems are lousy enforcement of existing gun laws, and absolutely deplorable recognition and treatment of mental illness in the US.
That said, you’ve touched on a joke Chris Rock once made.
He’s brilliant! Watch to the end. You’re welcome!
Completely naive. There would be an even more thriving trade in illegal firearms because it would have its own pricing structure and could easily undercut legall-available firearms.
All of your schemes to disarm law-abiding people are a bad idea.
Don't be daft.
Any idiot can make a gun. You can even 3D print them. But a gun without ammo is just a cudgel.
The real control is to make ammo expensive and to have a "spent shells, for new ammo" policy. This would not only invalidate illegal firearms as most would have no ammo, or poor quality ammo, and enforce a better rule of law.
Sounds like a great way to make it so poor people can't exercise a right.
I could go for this though if the government provided a gun to anyone who wanted to exercise a right... just like voting, it is a right.
I literally know people I grew up with who have died in driving accidents. Their lives would have been saved if only cars and people's right to drive them would be stripped away forever..
Think of the innocent lives!
Yeah, I don't buy that line of logic either and I hope that helps illustrate my point.
@Juxtapose if only we required the same crap for guns as we do cars.
@Juxtapose Cars aren't a right either, they could technically be outlawed pretty easily without a constitutional amendment.
@Juxtapose Ofc, but its not a constitutional guaranteed right.
I'm with Chris Rock on this one when he says a bullet should cost 5000 dollars!
Sadly where there is a will there is a way.
More people will simply steal them to either use or sell.
There are simple home made ones that are getting better.
It may help, but it wouldn't end the problem.
Kind of like car thefts.
People used to hot wire them, break the locks and use a screw driver.
Now with all of the anti theft devices on cars today, now they car jack them.
So what used to be simple theft, it now has become a violent crime.
Criminals don't use their own guns in their crimes.
That would get them caught so making guns more expensive would be pointless.
Making them more expensive would only be possible to the cost of people making their own guns. Given the age and relativist simplicity of making firearms that's not very expensive.
That is of course assuming you can somehow repeal the 2nd amendment to allow you to use the tax code like that in the first place.
The best gun control is to take all weapons away from ALL governments.
They're the terrorists of this planet. We focus on the Lone-wolf shooter of a handful of people, while we ignore the government bombing the fuck outta MILLIONS of innocent people overseas. Folk need to get their head outta their azz and stop being HYPOCRITICAL CHUMPS
You dont need gun controls, you need to take control of your nation back from the criminals who are running it.
They are trying to take your guns from you and the way they are going about that is to murder a bunch of people each week on your televisions.
Seems to be working rather well as you muppets keep talking about disarming yourselves.
No because you would just force people to get there guns illegally then you don’t know who has guns and illegal firearms dealers aren’t doing an FBI background check like they do when you go to purchase a fire arm
The problem is most guns are obtained illegally. It's like drugs, you can make them illegal, you can make them expensive, but people will always find a way to get them or make them. What needs to happen is the cops having better training and allowing the public to have better access to protection
Huh? Criminals are criminals. Doesn't stop them from. Get illegal guns. This would not change anything. But murica gun laws are very broken. Anyone can buy one no matter how unstable they are mentally.. Yes make it harder to get, safety course, background checks, lock guns up, lock the triggers. Tales months before you can ever get one in Canada.
The best way to stop all the crazy shootings would be to make guns available to everyone and cheap as fuck... think about it... how many banks get robbed simply because people know they have to hand over the money... probably a lot... it's easy to go shoot up some shit when you know there's almost zero chance of anyone with a gun to shoot back... if I was going to rob someone and my choice was a guy with a pistol on his side or some woke pussy with a rape whistle guess who's gonna be a victim
What about the law-abiding citizens that want a gun for self-defense? Suddenly that option is out of their budget. Also, what about the protection from an oppressive government?
Guns are NOT cheap as it is...
Just no. All these methods of gun control to stop the mentals and criminals will not stop the mentals and criminals. It would only hurt law-abiding citizens who need guns from hunting to self defense.
best gun conrol would be gun control
countries like japan and Australia still sell guns, i dont know why people think its impossible to get them there, you just have to get a license - you know, gun control - and then you can buy guns
I'm very certain that would end sales of guns ooooor black market will be getting more sales for guns that are like $500 to $70,000 and you still need to have a license and take classes to get such gun. Someone might give it up all together
That would help, but it's not the best. The best would be to institute mandatory training, a waiting period, and a home inspection to demonstrate that the purchaser has secure storage. Also some weapons should not be sold to civilians ever.
No, I'd hate to see rich people having the ability to create militias and the rest of the population being helpless as Jeff Bezos becomes a warlord
the closest I know of, is that my dad's opinion was that civilians would only be able to buy Civil War weaponry.
I on the other hand, would say that those Derringers is "all you need". A. k. a Self-Defense, and nothing else.
All that would do is cause the market for black market guns to skyrocket and we would have the same problem we have always had with drugs. Make guns expensive and you would have all kinds of smugglers bringing them into the country to capitalize on the market. It wouldn't keep guns out of the hands of thugs at all, it would just make many of them richer.
My view: the U. S. are (largely) too trigger happy to be stopped by this.
''Gun control'' will only efficiently work in people's heads - make America SMART again... and the issue will disappear. Armed or un-armed.
This is how the mafia gets rich. When the government interferes with too many taxes on things (like cigarettes), it's an opportunity for the mafia to do it cheaper.
Jim Jefferies literally answers every question, argument, topic, scenerio I seen as I scrolled down the never ending rabbit hole of answers people gave to this question. This video really does truly address every question I seen~> ALLLLL the way down to the person who brought up buying guns in Australia;
Given straight from an Australian 🤯
Left the link on it below ~> I promise it's not boring ~>
https://youtu. be/-TWbnLvjRB8
In a lot of cases they already are. I recently bought an extra Glock, and it was several hundreds of dollars
I'd prefer a simple system of one or two people (maybe their commanding officers, it being a well-regulated militia) undertaking to serve a portion of any punishment for any crime the perpetrator is convicted of having to do with a firearm.
You are such an Elitist with you and Biden pricing everything outside of the reach of the common man.
You have no idea how much $ dealers bring in do you….👊
But your worried about the wrong shit. Make people better not laws better. Within laws their will be corruption anyway. However when you fix people their is less corruption.
We need bullet control. If a bullet costs $5,000 there will be no more innocent bystanders.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/VZrFVtmRXrw
The best gun control is using both hands, keeping your elbows bent and aiming with your dominant eye.
Weaver?
Basically making self-defense a privilege for the wealthy. Great idea.
Everybody, save yourself the time wasted on this troll or spam account. He is clearly not interested in having a conversation or debate; his repeated false claims have eroded any chance at credibility. If you just ignore him he will stop getting his entertainment from you and maybe go away.
Strong business model you have there moron. Go for it and report back when you go out of business.
Im more concerned with law enforcement having guns than criminals. Criminals just want your stuff, Govt. actors want to enslave everyone. "you will eat the bugs and live in the pod and own nothing."
No, then only criminals and rich people would have guns.
Surely you can’t be that naive…this must be a troll.
It should be a criminal offence to own them.
So only the wealthy could afford protection? Eww.
How could you make them as expensive as possible? If someone is selling them, someone else will come along with a lower price, legal or not.
the Uvalde shooter spend over 3000 dollars. https://topnewsshow.com/the-last-word-with-lawrence-odonnell-7-18-22/
No, a better idea would be to have all firearms registered similarly to how vehicles are registered.
I don’t think it would make much of a difference in all honestly.
Only rich white middle class should be capable to afford firearms and ammunition? lol
if EVERYONE were required to carry a gun, then the criminals would be AFRAID to commit crimes, if guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have them... DUH...
could just go with bullet control instead.
A comedian who I forgot, said the bullets should cost 5 gran each, so people can't afford to do shit.
It's a felony for convicted criminals to have guns already. Go visit Chicago and let me know how that's working out for them.
No, having a lot of money does not make you a better person or less dangerous.
Providing that the criminals would be law a biding and not steal from the people that can afford them!
So then people would just steal them? That sounds like yet another brilliant plan.
You’re good with poll taxes, too?
Oh, so you’re selective with what rights you want to price people out of. so a poor person who lives in a dangerous neighborhood is just fucked under your proposal. Tell me again how the democrats care for the poor.
@joeldalton boom.
He probably believes the Democrat lies that minorities are too stupid or incompetent to get an ID. That tallies with his Klan and Jim Crow political ancestry though. If you want to see the soft racist bigotry of low expectations, look no further than leftists who unreflectively knee jerk react to voter ID law proposals because they have such low respect for minorities that they think they can’t get an ID. I bet he keeps a copy of Kipling’s ‘The White Man’s Burden’ close at hand at all times, and feels a paternalistic urge to care for the childlike black people around him that he desires to protect from themselves if only they will give him permanent power to hurt any chance of climbing out of poverty.
Based on what stupid statistic? What about the statistic that matters? How more likely a gun is to provide protection?
What part of "shall not be infringed" did you not understand?
Are you dumb as a bag of hammers? All the people in the hood are killed with stolen guns.
Nah, just encourages the illegal market, the Philippines had it right as did the SAS in northern Ireland, dawn choruses and executions for possession of contraband
Natural selection, stupid people with a gun, fight and die.
The best gun control is mental health education and awareness. These words mean nothing because no one lifts a finger about it.
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