Well we are officially in a recession how do you feel about Biden now?

[Stoner710]

A recession is 2 consecutive months of negative growth. Regardless on how much what they white house or Janet Yellen from the hobbiton to cover up the fact there terrible at there job. by the way this isn’t Putins recession this is Biden’s recession. This could have all been avoided.
The set up for this recession is

1 cutting off the keystone pipe line

2 discouraging oil drilling and basically destroying American oil products

3 the pullout of Afghanistan which Putin saw that he could get more aggressive because Biden is weak

4 Biden encouraged Putin to start the Ukrainian war by giving the thumbs up to Nord stream 2 pipeline given that forced places like Germany to be reliant on Russian oil

5 sanctions on Russian gas there getting rich by selling oil to China India and other Asian and African counties. And MBS who hates democrats isn’t going to up his oil production to help Biden (can’t blame him why would you help someone who called you a murder)

6 and most important part green Energy policy. We 1 cut off our own energy for green based energy which is insufficient to run a modern economy even Germany and other Western Europe’s country are going back to coal and natural gas. Also getting Americans to not want your stupid windmills or solar panels. As a Republic with aspects of democracy we will never have green energy completely take over we will be using fossil fuel. Until the end of time because Americans are increasingly becoming anti wind mills and solar panels. No more rolling black out brought on by green energy and no more windmills and solar panels America democracy will be turning on green energy come November.

[WhiteSteve]

Presidents don’t cause or cure recessions. Economics are much more complex than that.

Anyway, I feel the same as I always have about Biden: he’s an old man who’s kind of cool but kind of dotty, I think he generally has the right idea for a vision for the future of the country, but tribalism in politics will probably just forever sink this country (Republicans will stymie Democrats in bad faith while the Ds are in power, Democrats will stymie Republicans when the Rs in bad faith are in power, both parties will try to make sweeping changes if they have decided majorities, everyone will hate each other, we can get on with this obviously inevitable civil war, and I’ll decide which tropical island I’m going to fuck off to for the rest of my life and leave this absolute dumpster fire of a country behind lmao), and he’s hilarious any time he falls because old people falling down is funny as fuck. I’m here to be entertained, not governed, lmao.

[Anonymous]

If you think it's bad now wait until a year from now. Right now, were in a raft with holes that liberals are using bubble gum to patch up. Eventually the raft will just sink when it can't take it anymore. The way I see it is we are only a few months out from the midterms and Democrats are throwing the kitchen sink to try and hold us up from complete collapse. The minute the midterms are over I wouldn't be surprised if he seen a major downturn and possible market collapse. Interest Rates, Rent, Food and all essentials are going through the roof, it's just a matter of time now.

[Stoner710]

Well I guess at least the question when are we in a depression like the great depression type shit. We know Republicans are going to Vito whatever the fuck Joe Biden wants and Joe Biden is going to Vito whatever the fuck Republicans want. Are we really entering the Chinese Century in which case I’ll kill myself right now fuck China

[Opinion Owner]

Don't do that but 2024 will likely be the ultimate decision. If Democrats retain the presidency and house and senate than there is no breaking point in which the American public will have said they had enough.

[Stoner710]

Pretty much then I’m out of the country I’ll learn Russia and go hang out with Putin. I’d rather have Putin has president then a democratic

[Opinion Owner]

If Biden remains President Russia and China will likely take over the world anyway.

[Anonymous]

As usual, you have it all wrong. Do your research and try again.

[Stoner710]

I’ve done many many hour of research tell me how I’m wrong

[goaded]

"A recession is 2 consecutive months of negative growth."

1. Bullshit.

2. 2020.

3. Bullshit.

FWIW, it might be 2 consecutive QUARTERS, which is 6 months, but that's not a great metric: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/26/opinion/recession-gdp-economy-nber.html

[goaded]

"4 Biden encouraged Putin to start the Ukrainian war by giving the thumbs up to Nord stream 2 pipeline given that forced places like Germany to be reliant on Russian oil"
We don't need a drop of oil that comes through NordStrom. Mostly because it's a gas pipeline. Gas as in not liquid.

5. He is a murderer.

6. We're not going "back to... natural gas", because that's what's scarce. We might let the nuclear plants stay open longer. And you think wind and solar power are the problem in the US? You must be from Texas, and gullible.

[Stoner710]

1 I’m actually from Washington state thank you very much green energy is a joke in my state should never have been tried doesn’t work in the PNW
2 why is German reopening there coal plants as a result of having to sanction Putin www.nytimes.com/.../germany-russia-gas.html And why did the E. U now labeling gas and nuclear energy as green energy? www.reuters.com/.../ This is why green energy is a joke.

Yes MBS is a murderer so is pretty much every other leader in the Middle East with the exception of Israel. Xing Jing Ping is also a murderer I don’t hear your guys complaining about him. Some time in geopolitics you have to do business with murderous leaders otherwise we would only be able to do business with westernized modern countries.

Your link is behind a pay wall but you’re kind of proving my point and the GOP‘s point that the White House is changing the definition of recession so it doesn’t reflect negatively on them.

[goaded]

1. Not even wind power?

2. Dire need, and politics.

Having your people dismember their victim with a bone saw is different from ordering a drone strike. And why do you think Israel's hands are clean, for goodness' sake?

Try the link in a "private" window, or with javascript turned off.

[Stoner710]

It didn’t work unfortunately for the link. Tried putting it on private still behind pay wall

Wind alright on the east side but not so much on the west side. But there are a lot smaller towns western Washington not so much it goes from either stagnit air or heavy storm winds which will cause the terbines to blow up. But we have the Columbia river which has been dammed to hell (slight pun intended). Our energy primarily comes from hydro power use to have nuclear power and of course carbon. Farmers still need gas to power there tractors and trailers and trucks to get the products out. Kittitas county is the best for wind but that about it, course it’s right off the mountains so it’s getting the mountain air wind. But that powers ellensburg again pretty small 18,666

Now there is a difference between a drone strike and dismemberment. There is also a difference between dismemberment which is bad but starving your people to death sending in ethic Han to ethnically cleanse Uyghurs from the population. Also Peng Shuai probably met the same fate as jamal khashoggi if not worse, yet we continue to do business are praise China. Why not have the same standard for China as we do for Saudi Arabia? by the way has Biden not cut the constitution of the key stone pipe line ww wouldn’t never need to be talking to the saudis. Biden pist off both his own party as republicans when he did went to Saudi Arabia to beg them for oil

[goaded]

When was China "praised" recently?

[goaded]

The article starts: "The U. S. economy is not currently in a recession. No, two quarters of negative growth aren’t, whatever you may have heard, the “official” or “technical” definition of a recession; that determination is made by a committee that has always relied on several indicators, especially job growth. And as Jerome Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve, noted yesterday, the labor market still looks strong."

[Stoner710]

The definition of a recession is 2 quarters of negative growth that has been the definition since the word was first uttered. Jerome Powell And the White House is trying to change the definition so it doesn’t affect democratic in the election. The left does this with words all the time,

I swear the left would try to convince you that EastAsia was always at war with Oceania. This is what they do to protect the democrats party. If they say 2+2=5 then suddenly 2+2 will = 5 have you not read Orwell?

[goaded]

"The NBER defines a recession as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than two quarters which is 6 months, normally visible in real gross domestic product (GDP), real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales"." (This is a definition from 2003.)

What's been happening with employment the last six months? (Hint: it's been going up.)

[Stoner710]

depends where your at appointment has been going up my state no a lot of people are loosing there jobs because of the supply change issues and gas issues a lot of the blue states are actually seeing a decline in employment it doesn't help at the blue states are talking about ing up again and people don't want to do that. red states are doing perfectly fine.

now when you google the definition of recession it says 1.
a period of temporary economic decline during which trade and industrial activity are reduced, generally identified by a fall in GDP in two successive quarters.

i don't trust what the government wants to define something as because they will change definitions for political convenience

when i google nber definition of a recession I getA recession is defined by the NBER as a “significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months.” The organization takes into account many factors, including GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and consumer spending, in its determination.1

i'm literally copying and pasting the definitions im looking up maybe the definition is different in german vs the US but thats how we've been defining recession

[goaded]

Why would you copy and paste exactly what I started my previous post with? I pointed out that the definition hasn't changed in 20 years, probably longer, and it includes employment, which is still improving. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

Most states are doing better with employment than six months ago.
https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
web.archive.org/.../laumstrk.htm

[Stoner710]

Ok employment is alright it will get worse,
We had 2 Quarters in a row where there is negative GDP growth real income isn’t meaning the price of inflation consumer spending is down because every thing is so expensive we are having massive supply chain issues most of the criteria mentioned in that definition except for the employment rates meets the standard for a recession the White House doesn’t want to use the word resession we’re in an election year and it would look bad at Democrats and frankly if they did use the word recession republicans would win all 50 states and the seven territories and republicans would have a supper majority this is a political game

[goaded]

So what was 2020?

[goaded]

[Stoner710]

Job growth has little to do with weather or not we’re in a recession. What do you call high gas prices food shortages, massive supply chain issues and wages not going up and 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP last time I checked that means we’re in a recession.

If this is because of the warren Ukraine let’s end it now, Except this shit was happening in 2021 prior to the war in Ukraine. It is all of joe Biden’s fault. Every time between the world should be pissed at the United States for electing such a dumbass as president

[goaded]

"What do you call high gas prices" Last month's problem. Fox is now complaining that they're too low.

"If this is because of the warren Ukraine let’s end it now,"
How, exactly? Blow a whistle?

I'm sure, given that 2020 was practically all negative growth, you would defend Trump on the basis of Covid. But the continuing pandemic and massive economic impacts aren't anything to do with today's problems, that's all Biden, right?

[Stoner710]

The economy crashing is on Biden and high gas prices are on Biden yes. Trump did fuck up by shutting down the economy in the first place yes it should never have happened Sweden had it right saying open. Biden could have avoided the economic down turn by 1 not forcing people to get vaccinated and forcing people who didn’t want to get the vaccine to loose there jobs that was definitely something that could have been avoided. It wasn’t until the Dailywire sued the Biden administration that bad policy ended. 2 biden didn’t have to shut down American oil production but he did he shut down the keystone pipeline and shut down oil drilling on federal lands I get why he did it he needed to please his green energy base. right now the oil companies are struggling trying to drill because of the shut down and they now have to truck the oil across the country rather than using pipelines to get it from one place to another which makes oil more expensive. Not to mention Biden keeps printing money making the U. S dollar worth less because the more dollars you have in circulation the dollar is worthless then it was when there wasn’t as many dollars out in the world and less things to spend it on due to the supply shortage (that one is Pete Buttigieg‘s fault)

The way you end the war in Ukraine in just give Putin what he wants especially since the west and nato aren’t willing to get directly involved the Russians think they are at war with United States United States does not think it’s at war with Russia this is an issue. Unfortunately it’s time to let Ukraine fall and be a puppet government of Russia as long as we keep having the attitude that we’re having.

So yes the economic downturn started With Trump because he foolishly Shut down the economy and it’s over and disease that primarily kills the elderly. And Biden got into power and screw things up even more because everything government tries always ends badly

[goaded]

Why do you keep waiting a week before you respond? I'm not going to read back over the last three weeks just to respond to yet more bullshit like "high gas prices are on Biden" they're high over here, too.

[Stoner710]

Because I have over 200 notifications and ever day I get about 40 more plus I work 35 hours a week I’m normally on for a couple hours before I go to work and an hour after it’s hard to get to them all

[Anonymous]

not a huge surprise the economy was showing obvious signs of trouble , how could people keep paying that much for gas long term and not go broke eventually? it was way too expensive and if people spending all there $ on gas there not out buying other things so other businesses suffer too

[goaded]

What's happening to gas prices, right now?

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded they've gone down here a bit but still too high

[goaded]

They're still higher than the last time crude oil was at this price (2009-2014, iirc). Why is that?

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded i'm not sure but where i live there is carbon taxes now which raised the price from what it was decades ago

[goaded]

OK, but I'm pretty sure the prices are higher in Texas, as well. It couldn't be companies seeing the media talk about inflation and using that as cover to raise prices and their profits, could it?

[Stoner710]

The reason why gas prices have gone down is because we are in an economic downside. We’re likely going to hit stagflation and if we continue to spend the way we are spending (which we are going to do). We will likely hit a depression

Thy reason why gas prices have gone down is because aren’t taking recreational drive, weather that’s to go to a national park on the weekend. Go camping in a state park or drive across the country to see relatives. they need that money to feed their families and get to work last year as part of my income I was gathering beer bottles/can water bottles and pop cans to take down to Oragon to get the 10¢ per item i still kind of doing that but it’s not worth just doing 4 or 5 bags you need 10+ to make a profit because gas is so high. So this goes back to the idea of supply and demand the supply is low because we’re not producing oil at home Mohammad bin Salman is pissed at Joe Biden and America and Russia are at war (probably because the Democrats are pissed that Russia mildly interfered in the election in 2016 they want revenge)

[goaded]

We were talking about how fuel prices had gone up more than when crude oil prices were at the same level for five years in 2009-2014. Why were they at the unreasonable level they were before they started coming down?

[FunkyMonkee]

They go down every July! Joey has nothing to do with it.

[FunkyMonkee]

Awww, he's doing a SPLENDID job!!! Trump could NEVER do as good as this!!!

[Stoner710]

totally and if you believe that I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you

[FunkyMonkee]

Don't forget the swamp land in Florida and a secluded house on the longest beach in the world on the Sahara!

[Stoner710]

or ocean fun property in Nebraska

[FunkyMonkee]

You forgot the part about how he cheated in the election. If it wasn't for that, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess!!

[FunkyMonkee]

I KNOW, right? I've been there and had a blast surfing and whale fishing!

[FunkyMonkee]

Just thought you'd like to see this.
https://youtu.be/9gw_pXWbL2c

[Stoner710]

Right catching Marlin right off your back porch in the middle of Nebraska it’s amazing.

As far as sitting in the election goes is no evidence that Biden cheated I wish it was true I wish there was complete evidence that Biden cheated even if it came out now of course we would be in the middle of Civil War came out now. We do need to get some integrity back in our house action system the Democrats claiming voter suppression hurts our elections and Republicans cleaning voter fraud hurts our elections we’re getting to a point where nobody has crust in the election system anymore. To channel Ben Shapiro here if you really think that our election cycle is so broken that Democrats can easily rig the election in order to win you should be going to war against those people and if you really think that Republicans are suppressing people from voting this would also be a cost for you going to war against those people election fraud and voter suppression or two very serious accusations and I’d rather not see a Civil War in the United States. The more people undermine the legitimacy of our elections we’re taking many steps closer to Civil War. It’s like Democrat saying that Republicans don’t care when little children get shot they actually believe that had Civil War needs to happen now not tomorrow not in a week after the November election 2024 election we need to start a Civil War at this moment. (No longer channeling Ben Shapiro)

Also love the video. That was fucking hilarious

[FunkyMonkee]

That's bullshit!! There's lots of evidence!! Do you REALLY BELIEVE THIS PUTZ ACTUALLY GOT 80,000,000 votes? Can I have some of what YOU'VE been smoking? I wanna see unicorns an fairies, too!
You want integrity? There's always the 2nd Amendment! USE IT!! I don't know why everyone's so scared shitless to use it!! A domestic terrorist is destroying the country from the inside out and we, the majority, are just gonna sit back and LET IT HAPPEN? The Founders would be SO disappointed in us if they saw this shit, today!!! I'd MUCH RATHER have a civil war than to just ALLOW China to take us over the way they ARE DOING, RIGHT THIS MINUTE!! My best friend says, "If you stand for nothing, you will fall for everything!!" Do you REALLY think we're NOT gonna have another civil war if this shit keeps up for another 2.5 years? People are already at or VERY near the breaking point!! They won't take it much longer! Well, Ben's WRONG! If we don't FIGHT for this country, we're gonna LOSE IT, FAST!!! China's already starting to take over by buying up our food sources!! And Joey's standing there at the gates telling them, COME ON IN!! Take anything you want!! And, America sits back and watches it happen!!

[lightbulb27]

"just entered a recession"... and the Fed made one of the biggest rate increases.

good luck figuring out how this is going to go.

[Stoner710]

United States goes completely bankrupt. (I’m joking but part of me wants it to happen under Biden so democratic never win again)

[worldscolide]

Same as I felt about him when I voted Trump. He is a puppet at best, and a shit stain at worst.

[Ironic_Method]

It always amazes me how little people know about both the government (which is still garbage) and economics.

[Stoner710]

Yeah I’m not an economist but I got my degree in history and political science so I know government pretty well. Least the United States not so much European governments

[exitseven]

I feel the same way. He is the worst president of all tome.

[Cubus]

You should be happy you don't have gas taxes. I live in Europe and costs are a lot higher here.

[gorydetails]

Wait, they claim that we're not in recession... how can that be?

[Stoner710]

There trying to down play it and because the economy is the number 1 issue for Americans in most elections https://youtu.be/8r3l7oSVyTM

[gorydetails]

of course. That was typed tongue-in-cheek. These losers are trying to straight up lie to your face. A sure sign of weakness.

[Surely]

I thought that he couldn’t get any worse on day one. Boy was I wrong!

[OnTheLevel]

A recession is two consecutive QUARTERS of negative growth.

[maximumpower]

Same way I've always thought about him - he's an imbecile.
Prove me wrong.

[ShadezMcgee]

🍿 just here for the comments.

[BarryLiverstone]

Same as my opinion before