If Hitler had invaded England, would the war have been lost?

[Julie4]

[Ευδεμονια]

I sincerely don’t think so. The thing can be elaborated… since there are good points that favour the thesis and good points that oppose it.
A successful invasion of England would have added for Germany more territories to control and to defend from external attacks. England has a lot of km of coasts that make it attachable from almost every side, so an eventual US landing in England would have almost unstoppable, plus there would have the logistic aggravation of moving troops by sea on an island… very difficult to manage. Added to that, England would have represented another territory to submit so… resistance movements, partisan attacks, guerrilla actions would have probably been in all island, with a further and costly deployment of forces by Germany to control the country, like what happened in norther France. Otherwise, if England was granted to be independent, there would have been a necessity of a stable German numerous force in order to guarantee the stability of puppet government (like Petain’s French Vichy)… but England wouldn’t have been the same since colonies, like the French Vichy, would have been less under the central authority control and maybe they could revolt against motherland. And England without colonies would have been a less powerful England… England wouldn’t have consisted in a big resource of supplies, depending it from US supply chain… so this scenario sees England more as a burden for Germany than other.


On the other hand, the invasion of England with the establishment of a stable and loyal government, would have guaranteed the military support of English aviation, navy and army to German cause. This would have consisted in the total air and naval supremacy of Germany and the stop of Mediterranean naval warfare, which would have guaranteed more movement freedom for Italy. Plus, with an eventual stop of African conflicts, the Afrika Korps could return to motherland and be deployed on Eastern front.


Since I think that the first hypothesis (England as a burden) is more probable, I think in general the invasion of England wouldn’t have assured the Final victory to nazi Germany.

[Julie4]

For the government of Vichy, do not forget that the Americans preferred in reality to speak with Vichy that de Gaulle.

[Ευδεμονια]

I remember, especially at first De Gaulle has been put aside. But in the end the US took the side of Free France.

[Julie4]

I am grateful for the sacrifices made by the American soldiers to help us, however the Americans are preparing an occupation of France with their AMGOT

[Julie4]

Here is what de Gaulle said about it.

"The landing of June 6 was the business of the Anglo-Saxons, from which France was excluded. They were determined to settle in France as if it were enemy territory! As they had just done in Italy and as they were about to do in Germany!

They had prepared their AMGOT which was to govern France sovereignly as their armies advanced. They had printed their counterfeit money, which would have been forced into circulation. They would have behaved like a conquered country. "This is exactly what would have happened if I had not imposed, yes imposed, my commissioners of the Republic, my prefects, my sub-prefects, my liberation committees!

And you would like me to go and commemorate their landing, when it was the prelude to a second occupation of the country? No, no, don't count on me! I want things to happen gracefully, but I don't belong there! "

[Ευδεμονια]

Luckily De Gaulle managed to pilot the occupation “liberation” of France so US occupation was incomplete… seems like what happened here in Italy, after Sicily invasion. We were an occupied country, from English and Americans… after the German occupation with Salò Republic.
I comprehend perfectly De Gaulle discourse and reasons, but probably if Americans hadn’t landed, probably France wouldn’t have been able to free itself. Occupied countries are always good resources for occupiers, especially when they’re rich and wealthy countries. Just watch what happened with East Germany, it became a colony of USSR, that took everything from them. Big powers always reason the same ways.

[Julie4]

Again I am grateful for what the Americans have done, and I am glad that they won the cold war and the second world war, I think that the USA is a positive force for the world, although like all countries they have made mistakes.

However, sometimes we can have a critical look while recognizing the good that the Americans have brought.

A bit like France with the revolution, the revolutionaries claimed to bring freedom to the people that we invade , the reality thinking only to defend our interests, however we have also brought positive with our civil code and many other things

[Ευδεμονια]

An invasion has always a price to pay. There are victims, freedom suppression and usually there’s the law of the invader ruling. Sure they did big mistakes and personally I think they mind a bit too much other countries business and interfere too much with the natural development of the nations. They always mind their interests, sure, and they are good to mask their real intentions with the “export of democracy” banner.

[Chazmatazz269]

Nobody really knows. I’m certain the prevailing theory suggests we’d all speak German if Hitler’s forces had taken Britain. People far more knowledgeable than myself have published as much as nearly certain fact. But if humans could predict anything with any degree of certainty, there’d be no casinos, sports books, or academic discussions like the one proposed here. I like to think liberty won because, at the time, humanity deserved it.
If we ever did, we no longer do. We’re begging for fascism, and we’re very close to getting exactly what we think we want.
Here’s the problem: if the US becomes a fascist state, the whole world is screwed. Nobody wants to admit that ours is the ONLY nation in human history to unleash nuclear weapons on other human beings. And we haven’t grown less hubristic over time, but more. I am almost ashamed to admit i’m a US citizen, and i’m not the only one. We have a LOT of room to improve, to say the least.

[OlderAndWiser]

I think that move would have triggered the US to enter the war even sooner and Hitler had his forces spread too thin already.

[Roseboy]

i think

it would have

delayed the inevitable

I'm not an idiot who thinks that the war was carried by the americans and soviets because they joined the allies late but really so did britain and france, should've stopped german expansion sooner and avoided all the chaos

but anyway

although i say that - the americans and soviets were gonna inevitably win the war they were (and america still is) two impossibly powerful forces, the axis could not have won that war

not as in depth as i could go but i can't be bothered to write an essay

[Anonymous]

No. Germany couldn't achieve air superiority. And Germany could never (even then) match the industrial capabilities of the United States. But that does mean it would have been pretty. Germany's main f***up was lack of focus. Technology wise Germany was ahead of it's time. Look at the V2 among other things but the cost of the V2 was much to expensive. The German command was all f***ed up to. The Generals were good. But the generals weren't calling the shots, the Nazi party was. Basically the Reich was planning for 1000 years but not focusing enough on the present and winning the war.

[WindAtMyBack]

If he was able to hold it, it would have made things a lot harder. But I think he still would have lost. The Mediterranean has a hell of a long coastline to defend, especially with Italy lost. Plus the Russians advancing from the east.

I think it was really a question of how many lives were lost. But the writing was on the wall for Germany.

[JamesDiaz11]

Operation Sealion, I think was the proposed name of this. The problem was not that he hadn't, but that he COULDN'T. Germany did not have a significant amphibious delivery system for its powerful land army, nor the naval power to make such a landing feasible even if they did.

IF England did capitulate, and the US stopped fighting on the West, it's possible that Germany's combined military might turned against USSR may have won, but there are a lot of IFS.

[MarkRet]

Probably. Hitler could have then focused on the Soviet Union and defeated them. Then it would have been a one-on-one fight with the US, presuming the US was in the war by then. On the other hand, Hitler could be pretty stupid, and there would be a good chance he'd make some tactical error and give the US the win. Hitler had a good chance to invade and conquer England early in the war, but he let the allied (mostly British) forces slip away at Dunkirk.

[AviatorTom]

Most likely, yes. The German army would have eventually beaten the British forces, and there would have then been no way for the Americans to enter the war. Hitler made 3 main mistakes:
1. Not invading England
2. Invading the USSR
3. Declaring war on the US because of Japan

[Avicenna]

He would have lost sooner if he had invaded England without having air superiority, and even if he had air superiority, he would not have been able to conquer England (he wouldn't have had naval superiority) and an amphibious attack is no easy feat. Hitler was bound to attack the Soviet Union as well and would have done it even if an invasion of England had failed.

[jamesgoldman]

Probably not, we had time to prepare for absolute scorched earth

It was basically a relayed message to blow up our own docks, bridges, dams, munitions and anything else strategically useful with bombs already set up for the purpose
It was given those involved were to kill their families and then themselves to avoid the torture that the Nazis would have ultimately subjected them to

[genericname85]

very likely. it would have been dumb to try to get england, the sea dominating nation first. i mean he surely didn't only have to fight england either way. surely he knew that other countries would have tried to stop him. so why attack someone first that you have a disadvantage against? attack someone else first and then defend against england on land, where their chances are worse.

[TroyDT]

No, but it would have been prolonged. The UK's remaining forces would have relocated to their overseas territories and continued to fight. The US still would have developed the atomic bomb and just would have made more and dropped them on Berlin and Munich. Even with more forces the Nazis would have perished in the Russian winter.

[Pudsmucker]

The answer to your question is not very good outcome for the world if Great Britain had fallen.

Amazon prime has a series called "man in the high Castle". It gives you the great scenario of what would have happened if. I thought it was Quite good. Let me know what you think of it.

[Still-alive]

That is a very very difficult question cause im not sure how well hitlers army was at amphibious landings he would have had to cross the English channel to invade and the British clearly demonstrated their will to keep fighting. i feel it might've ended up being a quagmire ultimately.

But i feel he was more prepared for that then he was when he decided to just go after russia instead.

[OddBeMe]

Ehh, might have been prolonged. But hitler was always going to invade Russia, and he was always gonna lose that war. there's really no simulation outside devloping nukes that could see Hitler winning. His racist beliefs kind of destroyed him before the war even began.

[Levin]

No. France could have regrouped and won it...

[Julie4]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Levin]

haha, yes. I made you laugh good and proper! <3

[Julie4]

Yes lol, our old military leaders thought that the Ardennes (trees) would block the German army, with old leaders so visionary impossible to do anything lol

[Cubus]

Hitler in fact attacked England

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain

[Julie4]

This is not my question lol

[Anonymous]

He was always going to lose. When you're too aggressive and you keep pissing people off for no reason, you're going to get what is coming to you. You may have power for a little bit, but you will get taken down.

[Sixgunsound]

Knocking out the UK that early in the war would likely have had a huge impact on the final outcome.

[bean2k21]

Once you've decided that England is worth conquering, you've lost. It's like settling for a girl who's not your type, and has bad teeth.

[_Troian_]

UK wasn't a key country, I just see them being lucky in WW2.. Germany would crush them like a bug if they weren't surrounded by hundreds of nations all around.

[crossdressingrihno]

Nah The UK would make horrible Offense but defensively speaking the UK was nearly in penetrable.
They had an amazing navy and Air Force and while I admit the red Devils could put up a fight ultimately AA guns dogfights and ingenious defensive tactics would be able to keep Britain safe had they spent their resources more efficiently however they put most of their resources into eating other countries during World War II

[slatyb]

I don’t think Germany had a chance after the US joined the Allies.

[EnglishEuropean]

In a word, yes. Hitler would have had complete control of Europe and could have focused the full might of the German army on Russia, which would likely have fallen.

[Twalli]

If he stayed attacking the part he was for about a month longer, England would have surrendered. Same with conquering Russia. The US tipped the war's favor away from the Axis.

[Staximus]

No because he had a stupid mustache, and stupid mustache guys have always lost in the 20th century

[llorando]

Probably not, since they had the backing of the US. WWII would have lasted longer, but in the end the allies would have ended up winning.

[TheFlak38]

No. Germany would have lost in 1950. That's all.

[Julie4]

Why?

[TheFlak38]

Because the chessboard was already set up against Germany. Japan and Germany had a fucked up strategy and as soon as Japan had brought the US into the war the Americans would start the plans for opening a Western Front but without England.

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah, if it weren't for us, they'd be speaking German

[driven159]

His downfall was fighting two fronts be thankful he was not smart about warfare otherwise we all would be speaking German

[Guanfei]

Not really. England we just a foothold in Europe for the US, without it the war would probably have ended in a draw, maybe a harder victory.

[Vegasrunner]

I also believed that if he didn't invade Russia he would have won the war.

[Wise4myage]

Possibly, Dunkirk is where Hitler really screwed up.

[888theGreat]

if Hitler attacked troops at Dunkirk , then invaded England , he probably wins war.

[ManHater]

Wish he did invade because he would have never allowed muslim grooming gangs to rape white children.

[TallAnon]

If he successfully did so, yes, quite likely. But it's not like he didn't try.

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

I wouldn't vote for him either way. The big lobbyist groups for sure would

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

If you think about it, TODAY'S lobbyist groups, even the non-Jewish CEOs today (minus Elon Musk) would secretly side with the pos. All that child grooming from the 1990s on via churches and TV shows are coming from the big creator of Ren and Stimpy and the lobbyist priests that have the same mentality as the Nazi

[hostboy__fastestlaps]

Hollywood = Satan, and yes the war would have lost but also it wouldn't matter either way because Germany already banned Hitler memorabilia for good

[KrakenAttackin]

Hitler wanted to invade England, but crossing the channel with an Army is no small task.

[TitsMcGee16]

Look up Ghost Army. As stupid as it sounds that is what made Hitler lose the war. Inflated tanks lmao. But from far they must look real.

[Erron_Black]

I think he would lose again. Going to cold Russia with inadequate equipment was like suicide.

[Anonymous]

You seem to be forgetting that Russia and America played a big role in Hitler's defeat.

[loveslongnails]

IF the Queen had balls, would she be king?

[Jamie05rhs]

Yes; the war would have been lost.

[SunnyHeythere]

Not at all
Russia would win still

[Waldoe]

he tried... he failed

[WhiteBoyChill]

Honestly I wish he won

[pizzalovershouse]

Dont know

[anylolone]

Nope.

[msc545]

Very possibly