Girl's Behavior 
Guy's Behavior 
Flirting 
Dating 
Relationships 
Fashion & Beauty 
Health & Fitness 
Marriage & Weddings 
Shopping & Gifts 
Technology & Internet 
Break Up & Divorce 
Education & Career 
Entertainment & Arts 
Family & Friends 
Food & Beverage 
Hobbies & Leisure 
Other 
Religion & Spirituality 
Society & Politics 
Sports 
Travel 
Trending & News 
u 
I hear women talking about "reproductive rights." What "rights" are you talking about and what makes it a "right?"
Are you talking about your desire to have abortions available on demand as an alternative to responsible birth control?
So when I think about "reproductive rights" I think of many different things. Okay, I believe abortion should be safe and legal, I don't think banning it prevents it from happening, it just causes women with means to travel to have it done and poor women to do something unsafe to end the pregnancy sometimes even lethal to themselves. I realized some people don't have sympathy for this, but to me that's two lives lost instead of one (I know that sounds harsh) and the woman may be leaving several others behind who will be negatively affected. I see it as the lesser of two evils if that makes sense. I also, however, think there should be resonable restrictions such as elective abortions in the firt trimester and 2nd trimester abortions reserved for fetal or maternal medical reasons.
However, I think contraception should be accessible. I don't mean free but there are areas in our country where prescription contraception is difficult to obtain, they are described as contracptive deserts. So I am in favor of things like over-the-counter birth control pills (the 28 days prescription pack, not plan B). I also think the government needs to stay out of decisions on whether men or women should be able to use contraception. It may only be a supreme court precedent making it legal right now, but I agree that the right to contraception should be codified into law. The same with vasectomies and tubal ligations. It used to be very diffcult for men or women to get permanent sterilization without already having children, being a certain age, getting permission from their spouse etc. That process should be easier. I also don't think anyone should be forced to be sterlized.
Lastly for those who do want to have safe pregnancies and births I think we need to look at how that process can be improved. Just as there are contraceptive deserts there are also healthcare and obstetric deserts. No, I am not talking about government funding exactly but possibly more legislation so that some providers can't deny pregnant women who have medicaid from receiving medical care, which does't happen in some places. Also some insurance companies won't cover home birth midwifery services which would greatly improve access to safer birthing practices, which is another whole debate.
So for me it's whole array of things. Sorry I made it anon and I only made it so that you can reply but I work in the medical field and I got so frustrated for a while having to explain my position over and over again to different people and why, and yet, even though I accepted that they disagreed with me, they still were trying to convince me to take their stance. I know that you are reasonable and interested in respectful debate so I figured I would at least explain my thoughts on this.
"No, I am not talking about government funding exactly but possibly more legislation so that some providers can't deny pregnant women who have medicaid from receiving medical care, which does't happen in some places." Who pays for Medicaid?
I should clarify that I don't think there needs to be more government funding such as to increase the number of goverment run healthcare facilities.
The ability to kill the fetus, access to birth control options, accessible and readily available reproductive healthcare, the ability to plan their families, and family planning education.
Are you talking about making all of these things "free" (meaning paid for my taxpayers instead of the consumer?)
Personally, I dont think it should be free since that will just make things expensive for people who aren't covered by insurance (which is what is happening with universities and has happened with everything healthcare). I just think it ahould be highly encouraged and taught to every woman since we don't need more people on this overpopulated planet.
If you are in favor of population control, do you favor teachig abstinence as a means of birth control? Because that is THE most effective way of eliminating unwanted pregnancies.
I am, I'm favor of all versions of birth control. Although the people able to pratice it aren't usually the people who need abortions the most. But let them do them.
The best population control would just be to just throw out all vaccines and never vaccinate any person for any illness ever again that way the population would drop instantly. Problem solved and no one gets hurt that way or needs rights that become useless when technology isn't available anymore.
Well *I* try not to talk about reproductive rights cause I'm so sick of it, but *I* would be referring to who gets to care or watch over the unborn child. Men currently have literally zero reproductive rights whatsoever, so even if a career felon mother got pregnant with a model citizen father, he still has zero say-so over the fate of his child. I don't even think men should have 50-50 say so, but at least 30-70 is better than literally nothing.
And then SOME people wonder why so many so-called "deadbeat fathers" exist (my own "dad" being one of them). Give the father 0% ownership or care of his child, but then expect him to pay 60-95% of the financial burden on the child he had no control over. Yeah, f*ck that. I don't even ever want kids, but F*CK. THAT!
As far as abortion goes, I'm sick of this argument and my stance has always been "men should have 30-40% reproductive rights to their unborn child (especially if the mother is unfit or has a record of making life mistakes) or complete control to opt out of all fatherhood and responsibility to that child." Women can still have majority reproductive rights, but men need to have equal say-so over their life's fate, as well. None of this "one woman can f*ck over your entire existence" BS.
As far as abortions or no-abortions, I've always maintained that it isn't a fully developed until the six month mark, because that's what medical science says and that's when it starts to have cognitive brain development and isn't just a vegetable with as much brain function as a fly or insect. I've used analogies like baking a pizza and how flour and pizza sauce doesn't make it "a pizza" or how scrambled eggs aren't the same thing as chicken wings. But the politically right seems super dense and hyper-overemotional on this stupid pro-life abortion issue, so I doubt we're going to make any leeway here.
But yes, I support abortions up until the six month mark because forcing a child into being unloved their entire life and having abusive unfit parents is far more cruel than sparing them such an existence. The human life experience is vastly overrated and most of you all aren't happy anyway.
You make some good points
No one should have any rights to their reproductive organs. The only rights needed are the right for the child to grow up with two parents and being taken care of by both parents who are taken accountable by everyone around them and are told to take care of the child like an adult should.
A government basically throws the natural human behavior out if its path and creates people who will never take accountability for their actions as they will always be bailed out by said government who plays daddy.
The government should not force the father to pay child support or give any government help to the mother. but instead have the father raise the child with the mother and both are watched carefully by the people around them. It takes a village to have a child grow up healthy and for the parents to act right. If one of them misbehaves or abuses their child or spouse they get punished in some way by the others. This stile of parenting used to be done for hundreds of years where the children are living in a village and communicate with everyone around them and the parents are always seen what they do.
Reproductive rights are basically "Oh no I made a mistake and I don't want to have consequences for my actions."
The moment modern medicine disappears is the moment reproductive rights are useless.
Not having reproductive rights doesn't make Rape Ok or legal for anyone who's pathetic enough wanting to throw that poor excuse at me.
Opinion
27Opinion
Yes, but it’s also about access to affordable birth control.
Do you not have access to birth control now? Or is the issue that you think it should be "free," meaning that somebody else pays for it?
I generally avoid these politically and ethically charged questions like the plague, but I will say my piece here only because it’s you asking it, and not someone who will not respect my opinion or listen to what I have to say.
Reproductive rights to ME means:
- Proper education about the reproductive system, sex, pregnancy, contraceptives, etc in schools, at an age appropriate level.
- Emphasizing that unprotected sex has consequences like STD’s and pregnancy, and educate people on what it takes to actually care for a child physically, emotionally, and financially.
- Better education for adults about contraceptives.
- Better overall access to contraceptives, especially for lower income populations in my community - this is way more to do with access to family physicians or other primary care physicians than anything else. Access to family physicians is a big problem in my province right now, ask me how I know.
Hormonal contraceptives are not just used for preventing pregnancy. They are also used to treat symptoms and side effects of often debilitating diseases like PCOS, endometriosis, fibroids or benign masses inside the uterus, PMDD, dysmenorrhea, and menorrhagia.
- Being able to use fertility drugs like Clomid, or using methods such as IVF and IUI.
- Not having female reproductive health issues ignored or waived off by health practitioners as something else, or saying it’s all in their head.
- Access to tubal ligation and vasectomies - no questions asked. No BS from health practitioners like “You might change your mind”, or “You’re young and you don’t even have kids yet”, etc.
- Access to SAFE abortions when that is sought, again, no questions asked that are not relevant to the procedure.
That’s about all I have to say on the topic. I can’t think of anything else.
Yes, it's the right to abortions, contraception, reproductive health, fertility and so forth.
I don't know enough info regarding the abortion law passing in the USA, but I do know they exclude rape victims. However, don't agree with that law passing - it's not a situation and calls for an ‘all for one blanket solution’.
I’ve seen many comments from men thinking the solution is simply contraception, but contraception has a 2-23% of not working.
According to Statista, there are over 170 million women in America. If we assume all these women are fertile, of age and on contraception, it would mean there would be 34 million unwanted pregnancies from women who are being responsible (my country has a population of 6 million people).
Not to mention the number of times a guy tries to pull off a condom mid-act or the fact that rape victims don't immediately report they’ve been raped becuase it's a traumatic experience, and now their reproductive rights have been taken away besides not having the mental capacity to go through the reporting process they now can't discreetly get an abortion and have to travel to another state (if they have the financial means too)
There are too many complexities/variables to pass laws like this and take away reproductive rights.
Give our vaginas back.
Except it's up to the individual states after Roe v Wade was overturned
My state has a exception for Rape and incest, so literally any woman can claim she was raped and still get an abortion.
I suspect the number of rape victims is going to go sky high as a result. Guess we will see in a few years.
@Aerissa_Jade Exactly! False rape accusations resulting from this law would be a scary and disappointing outcome.
In your state, If you want an abortion and claim it was because you were raped (when you were not), is there no approval process or follow-up with convicting the aggressor?
@Ladybugharp Its probably a bit more mellow than others, the law requires that an alleged victim report a rape to law enforcement, but it does not require that a police investigation or prosecution must occur in order for a victim to get an abortion.
One only needs to report it to the police and can even state, I have no idea who the attacker is, to avoid a false accusation. As some rape victims truly do not know who the attacker is.
The legislature says sexual assault is a huge problem and under reporting also is and is hoping this will encourage more victims to report it.
"but contraception has a 2-23% of not working." primarily because women do not use contraceptive methods according to directions.
"Give our vaginas back." Who has it now? Not me!
@OlderAndWiser Women have to accept the high price of promiscuity.
Yep, I wasn't great at taking the contraceptive pill religiously, so I opted for an IUD (when I was younger), which has proved successful to this day. However, I've had two friends fall pregnant, one on the IUD and the other on a birth control chip.
No contraceptive is fail-proof.
You're right; It's known that the pill form has the highest failure rate due to inconsistently or incorrectly taking it. In addition, the pill itself also has a failure rate of about one in every one hundred women.
I think other forms of contraception should be more of a priority and easily accessible (i. e., when I first got the IUD, it cost just over 1k, but this was long ago, and in New Zealand - now, it's about $90).
@Aerissa_Jade I've seen rape victims. And it is very clear that they had a horrible night. I'm probably the only one here who can actually perform a physical rape check on a woman (all doctors have to learn this). There is all sorts of evidence down there. But when a woman claims a guy put a gun to her head and then asked for consent, we know she is lying. The notion that a rapist would ask for consent instead of just demanding that she drop her pants and lay down is simply beneath consideration. But, you hear crap like this all the time.
@U4ea0 Not necessarily lying, there is a thing called blackmail. I've been blackmailed before myself, do this or else your life will be destroyed.
I know guys will say, even if you have a gun to your head you can still chose not to, you just gave consent to instead of choosing death and you should of chose death, I've heard that a lot. That gun or not you still have a choice, just choose death.
The right to control what happens with your body. When you talk about "abortion on demand" what do you mean? You can support the right to autonomy while also debating the proper means of funding and allocation of services. But if the issue is strictly on the act of ending a pregnancy, then it's just about autonomy.
The stage of the life doesn't matter, and it's a mistake for a political right to abortion to be fixed to abstract notions of personhood. Judith Thompson's argument should be the standard jumping off point in rights-based discussions.
So I guess your answer to the question "when YOU talk about "reproductive rights," to what are you referring?" is ABORTION. That was a simple and direct question.
Rigt, it seems that the only issued in play is abortion, so why is it called "reproductive rights" instead of "abortion rights?"
No idea. Sometimes it is, but there are probably all sorts of reasons why people stick with the old term depending on who you are and where you are. Some liberal women in the south might find it less abrasive to say "reproductive rights", organizations like PP are also concerned with funding for contraceptives, so they need to still use the term, other women use the old term just because it has always existed and they don't think to switch.
I get a faint impression that you're suggesting that shame might be a relevant factor here, and while I agree that it might play a role in red country, most people who care enough about the issue aren't going to have a problem calling it abortion rights in principle. They just don't do it for various reasons.
Disguising intentions or actual purposes for laws or even bills is a favorite pastime of politicians everywhere. See the Patriot act or the inflation reduction act as examples from both sides as about as far as you can get from what the act is called in its true effects.
The term is pretty clear. It refers to a woman's ability to choose what happens with her own body.
There are many instances of our government interfering with those private decisions. For example, there are regulations requiring waiting periods -- for what? Providers have unreasonable licensing requirements. Some states have restrictions that require rape victims to travel hundreds of miles, out of state to have the rapist's fetus removed. There are other examples of unviable fetuses having to remain in the woman's body to rot. The government has no business regulating a woman's reproductive rights.
The term is far from clear.
So I guess you answer is yes, we are just talking about abortions. Why is that difficult to say?
It's much bigger than the "abortion on demand" oversimplification. Fanatics are talking about restricting access to some contraceptives. Conservative Supreme Court justice Clarance Thomas has expressed his interest in further examining other precedence setting court rulings.
It's comforting that you have so much trust in the government that you're comfortable with them making medical decisions for women. I don't share that trust. As the above examples illustrate, they make poor decisions based upon religious dogma and not medical facts.
The government meddles in our lives by saying that you can't murder your spouse just because you get angry at them. SHould we do away with that level of interference, also?
We're not talking about murder. Abortion is a safe and effective medical procedure that is allowed all over the world. The only countries that prohibit it are: Angola, Dominican Republic, Egypt, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Madagascar, Malta, Republic of the Congo, Mauritania, Nicaragua, Palau, Philippines, San Marino, Sierra Leone, Suriname and Tonga. Not countries normally thought of as our moral peers.
America's religious fanatics, conservative Christians, are no different than in other countries. They pervert religious teachings to support the policies they like. Their followers unthinkingly eat it up.
Actually, abortion is not very safe for the baby involved, is it?
1. Abortion access for non-viable fetuses, rape victims, incest victims, abuse victims, health/life of mother is at risk, fetuses that will have lifelong health problems, fetuses with genetic mutations, & so forth.
2. Affordable birth control options.
3. Access to hysterectomies without a doctor or ANYONE saying "you might change your mind later" or "sorry, not until you have your first kid" & having a man sign off on it, we can adopt of we really want to have a kid later!
4. Affordable treatment for endometriosis & other menstrual/reproductive issues
5. Affordable treatment for STIs
Just to name a few
Does affordable mean the government (other taxpayers) pay a share for you? How do you make these things affordable?
You stop charging a fucking arm & a leg for them. Especially since the profit margins are so fucking high!
I direct you to watch Adam Ruins Everything: Medical/Hospital episode.
The insurance companies are what raised the rate of healthcare, only so they could say that they are saving you money. So an x-ray that should only cost $200 now costs $1000 unless you have insurance which then lowers it back down to at cost.
And I see no problem with universal healthcare, the majority of the Free world has is, why is it such a big fucking deal here in the USA?
"And I see no problem" The fact that you can't see it doesn't mean there is no problem; it only means that you can't see the problem.
It is a wide variety of things.
Having the right to choose whether or not you want to have children, if so then how many and when, and with whom (of course, this goes both ways).
Having the right to choose from different birth control options depending on what suits your comfort and lifestyle.
Having access to safe abortions.
Having the right to take fertility treatments and IVF.
Having the right to decide the method of delivering the baby, as long as it's a method safe for the mother and baby it's valid.
Having the right to breastfeed or formula feed. I'm personally a big advocate for breastfeeding but it's not convenient for everyone.
^ all of those things, as long as the mother and baby will be doing fine.
Doesn't your religion take a very strong stand against abortion?
Opinions vary
I am surprised. I thought that Islam universally condemned abortions.
The same reason they started talking mess about gay marriage and birth control after roe v Wade was overturned... deflection 😍
Let's all be vague so we can villianize the evil prolifers, they want to force us to conceive children!!! They don't want us using condoms!! They don't want us having sex they wanna tie up our pumpums like they do in African tribes
in my home, its not something that comes up often, But that's because my wife is a rational thinking person, Not a rabid leftist. We both live in kansas. Both are republican, Both voted trump and both voted to keep the current restrictions in place on abortion. There was a recent bill to outright abolish it, or rather remove the restrictions that would allow for an outright ban.
Both of us are not pro choice, and in a perfect world it would be an incredibly rare thing, but on that same token would rather have it available with restrictions in place rather than see women go to back alley abortionists using coat hangers. I hate both options but given the choice completely outlawing it would be bad.
I know you won't like what i have to say here and i am sorry about that.
when we do discuss reproductive rights we discuss abortion as well as paternity fraud.
But we see reproductive rights as bodily autonomy.. For example, I am very against forced circumcision. I would put that under reproductive rights.
I can respect people with whom I disagree. We are good! I understand your argument and it has some merit.
Thanks sir.
I don’t understand your argument. If women are cruel enough to commit an abortion, because its their “choice” or whatever than don’t they deserve the repercussions that come with it?
Also less women will be having abortions if its MORE dangerous.
And I thought Kansas was a republican state? Wtf?
@WhiteBoyChill dude.. It is a republican state. We also have one of the lowest rates of abortion in the country. Not because its illegal, Because its heavily restricted.
What makes you think it would be higher if outright illegal?
@duttyjamagyal Last i checked, Its against the site rules to insult someone. Please do your self a favor, Read the rules and get back to me when you grow up.
@OlderAndWiser
@duttyjamagyal And blocked. I have little patience for children.
The “right to an abortion” was never mentioned in the Constitution. It was never a right. 70,000,000 innocent lives have been needlessly ended due to the reckless, irresponsible behavior of people that are too lazy, and/or don’t want the responsibility of raising a life that they created, so they just kill it. It’s a shame it took over 50 years to end Roe v Wade when it had no legal grounds to begin with.
I would love to see things like morning after pill be over the counter and as cheap as a bottle of Tylenol. Not the $20 to $50 dollars for a single pill that it currently is.
Reproductive healthcare should be covered by health insurance, and I say this includes men too... for ED or other issues.
Things like IUD's should be covered at 100% as that actually saves the insurance companies money in the long run vs. paying for labor and delivery.
FYI, I love my IUD, beats the hell out of other methods. Don't even get that annoying once a month thing.
Essentially easy, cheap access... not free, because I am against tax payers paying for it. I'm all for Health insurance covering it though, as it is a part of our physical health.
Im not gunna make judgement on frequency but make the guy pay for it. I knew this girl who was sleeping with 5 to 6 guys at once and she would go about once month at least with them, making like 300$. Not saying its right to make money. But ultimately it comes down to if your not ready to have a baby then dont participate in the act of making babies.
The right to choose if you want to have a child, when you want to have a child, how you want to have a child, with whom you will have a child, and the right to opt out if you were raped, or otherwise taken advantage of.
Most women only talk about their own rights while hiding behind egalitarian terms like “reproductive rights”. They have no desire or intention to permit men the same privileges they already have in this regard, let alone the additional special privileges they claim are “natural rights”.
No i think it's more along the line that next they will be say you can't have babies because that has happened not here but if you read into agenda 21 you will understand more and more of everybodys rights are slowly being taken away. The only reason they are doing this is control you honestly don't think the government gives 2 shits about anybodys baby or anybody for that matter all this shit going on in the media does not really matter when our life support systems globaly are collapsing its really simple no food no people , when the ocean dies we die and they know this its really far worse than i could ever explaine in less than 5 years from now the sun will be so intense that you will not be able to with stand it without special protection and thats a fact its way worse than just uv c
I can ride my motorcycle without a helmet and get a no seatbelt ticket in my car how come knowbody is shitting bricks over that its my body i should get to choose but suicide is illegal
When I think of "reproductive rights" I think of a person's freedom to dictate their reproductive choices and abdicate parenthood should they choose to do so post-conception. In the case of women, this comes in the form of abortion. In the case of men, it's non-existent as far as I'm aware. You can also lump in accessible and confidential proof of paternity as a reproductive right for men. I think we'd all like to know that the kid is ours before our name goes on the birth certificate.
"abdicate parenthood should they choose to do so post-conception" Killing their unborn child.
Well i did say afterwards "In the case of women, this comes in the form of abortion". So yes, killing their unborn child. At least on the women's end. The men are up shits creek with that one.
Now, to be clear, I'm not advocating for this, I'm just saying what I think about when I think "reproductive rights".
How about the right to have a medical procedure that stops a woman from bleeding out on the floor of an emergency room waiting room. Cause I wouldn’t want to deny a woman that right.
What is the medical procedure and where is it prohibited?
"reproductive rights" is a politician's way of conflating the tragedy of a 12-year-old pregnant incestual rape victim wanting to get an abortion with that of an adult deciding three days before the due date that she doesn't want a baby.
It means I get to choose if I want to reproduce or not, with who and when. It means no one gets to tell me I can only have one child. It means my employer can make me sign a contract saying i won't get pregnant. It means I'm not strapped to a breeding bench while I'm inseminated. It means I have the right to use the contraception of my choosing regardless of what the pope or anyone else says and should that fail I have the right to a safe abortion.
@purplepoppy How would you feel about a breeding cage?
@exitseven No, you let them out that's what slave collars are for.
Liberals always come up with terms that are just the opposite of what it really is. When they say "reproductive rights" they are really talking about not reproducing. Sort of like "Affordable Healthcare Act" , "America Rescue Plan' "Build Back Better" and of course the latest "Inflation Reduction Act
Women have the right over men to chose what they do with their body because they have to live with it all their lives but I do agree that the partner (if they have one) should always get to have a say in the decision wether she choses to listen or do her own things.
Actually a woman doesn't have to live with the child their whole life. They give it up for adoption, they can sign away all their rights. Their was a choice, the choice to engage in action that is designed to reproduce was made. The baby is not your body. It cannot permanently stay inside of you, your were not born with it. Once conceived it becomes a responsibility of 2 people.
Women think they should have the only say so to keep or cease development. If they decide to keep it and lets say the male would have wanted to cease development they are on control to make the man pay. Its a one sided control of power that the woman has.
If you dont want to chance a baby, dont have sex... how is that hard?
No I mean they have to live with their decision they can’t choose what to do but they have to live with the outcome or what they chose. I should’ve worded it better to be honest
Abortions were never available on demand and were never seen as an alternative to responsible use or birth control. If birth control fails and you happen to get pregnant knowing that giving birth could be bad, you are allowed to get a safe procedure to prevent it. Outlawing it means the woman must give birth or perform a dangerous personal abortion which can kill or permanently injure her. Fact is legalization of abortion saves the lives of people that are already here
". . . you are allowed to get a safe procedure to prevent it." Actually, abortion doesn't prevent pregnancy; it ends a baby's life.
"Fact is legalization of abortion saves the lives of people that are already here" But VERY FEW abortions are performed to save the life of the mother and I am not opposed to abortion under that circumstance.
If a woman is going to get an abortion regardless of legality, their only options are extremely dangerous to themselves and could kill them. It will definitely kill the fetus, which you believe should be protected regardless of the wishes of its host. The way I see it, safe abortions ensure that the non parasitic life form lives.
Calling an innocent unborn a child a "parasite" just cost you all the respect I had for you. . . if that matters.
We're done!
Having the power to build muscle is a Right. All these other things we call Rights are just Privileges that can be taken away at any moment.
I don't usually talk about "reproductive rights".
"Rights" are very different from "preferences" and simple "choices".
Mostly the "right" to free stuff - free abortions on demand, free birth control, and even free menstruation products. Women often think they are entitled to anything and everything they want - free.
It’s far more than about abortion
https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-are-reproductive-rights
When I hear that term, all I see is a woman who’s a selfish, entitled, narcissistic piece of sh*t. And of course, conversely the guys who just couldn’t give a fck about anything.
I don’t use that term because people will try to SKU your message
That image shows a very late term fetus. No one is performing elective abortions of a healthy fetus anywhere near that late in pregnancy, and probably no one ever has. Why don’t you show an image of a 10-week fetus instead?
Wrong. That image is identified on the source as a 14 week baby in uterus.
www.babycenter.com/.../14-weeks-pregnant
It is an accurate depiction. It SHOULD elicit an emotion response!
HOW is it unrealistic?
All of these are represented as fetal development at 14 weeks. So please tell me HOW that picture is misleading, because I try very hard to not misrepresent facts when I post on this site.
Aside from abortion, I mean easy access to contraception, revocation of sodomy laws and so on
How exactly do government officials inspect or demonstrate violations of sodomy laws?
"easy access to contraception" Does that mean free to the consumer, paid for by taxpayers?
That strikes me as a law they passed on a slow legislative session that there is no real way to inspect or enforce. How is it supposed to be enforced?
I’m surprised that an enterprising up-and-coming politician hasn’t wage war against it to score points
You’ve never worked in government have you? Careers are made by changing a line in a government handbook.
The only right is for you to do the act if you find someone willing to do it with you. That's the basic, we should only extract from that in special cases where people are clearly unfit to breed.
The right to have kids or not have kids, the right to choose what happens with your body when it comes to reproduction. The right to have access to all kinds of birth control, and the right to abortion or carrying a fetus to full term.
"The right to have kids or not have kids" It is always your choice to engage or not engage in sex.
"the right to choose what happens with your body when it comes to reproduction." You mean the right to kill an unborn baby because it is inconenient for the woman?
"The right to have access to all kinds of birth control" Are you simply talking about access or "free" access?
"and the right to abortion or carrying a fetus to full term." What makes it a "right" other than your opinion?
I wish sex was always a choice. Rape is pretty common.
Just simply stating what my idea of reproductive rights is. Not interested in discussing my reasoning or going into details.
@petitedollbabee No, rape is not common. Feminists attempted to redefine rape to include things such as a husband pestering wife for sex. That is not rape. The phrase "no means no and yes doesn't necessarily mean consent was given" is an absolute affront and our courts won't respect that either. Where are all these rape victims? I know of no women that have ever been raped. Not any of my female relatives, friends, or co-workers. Where is this 1 in 4? And don't claim "women lie about being raped". This is another dumb ploy. You can't prove women lie about rape. But then again I can't prove that they don't. Just a dumb way to shut people up.
In the past 3 years alone I’ve met two men and seven women who’ve been raped, and I have been a victim of rape myself. When I said common, I wasn’t basing it off statistics or whatever feminist bullshit you’re spouting, I was basing it off of my personal experience and the people who I have personally met. I’ve met more people who’ve been raped than people who have not. Maybe it’s just where I live, completely possibly that it’s more of an issue here than other countries, who knows?
You’re making a baby sound like a minor inconvenience.
The pregnancy could end up killing the woman, yet you hold an unborn baby’s life over a woman’s?
The woman could’ve been raped, yet that’s now her responsibility for the aftermath?
The woman might not be financially stable, so you would rather have the baby and woman suffer in poverty?
The baby could be severely disabled, or die at birth, but you would rather a woman suffer through pregnancy?
A baby is a commitment. The choice to commit to it should be valid.
Very few abortions are performed because of rapes.
@SushiSxnpai
"The pregnancy could end up killing the woman, yet you hold an unborn baby’s life over a woman’s?" Have you EVER heard anyone suggest that abortion should not be available to save the life of the mother? Of the millions of abortions performed every year, how many are perfromed for that reason?
"The woman could’ve been raped, yet that’s now her responsibility for the aftermath?" Most people agree that abortion should be available to women who have truly been the victim of a rape but, again, very few abortions are performed for that reason.
"The woman might not be financially stable, so you would rather have the baby and woman suffer in poverty?" No, she can place that baby for adoption.
"The baby could be severely disabled," and having a disabled baby is something that I don't want to do, so let's kill it.
"or die at birth, but you would rather a woman suffer through pregnancy?" Is THAT why most abortions are performed? Because the woman KNOWS that the baby is going to die in childbirth anyway?
"A baby is a commitment. The choice to commit to it should be valid." And you have birth control options available to you. That is your choice.
Ah yes. The rhetorical feint that supposedly rape is a massive concern, women are always paranoid and fearful of being raped every second of every day, and yet they're all anti gun, don't carry pepper spray, and don't bother with self defense classes.
They espouse rhetoric that suggests that they believe that rape is a common natural danger akin to bear attacks or hurricanes and yet their "solution", rather than to take precautions, is to chide men for not being feminist. And of course even though they're supposedly convinced that "rape is common" they will still go to night clubs where men are and go home with random strangers that they just met!
That's like saying that you're afraid of drowning and so the solution is that everybody on Earth must get lifeguard certified instead of you learning how to swim!
The reality is that women don't actually believe that "rape is common" or there's a "rape culture" or whatever. It's a feint. A ploy. A trick. "Rape culture" is just a phoney baloney talking point meant to give women a thin pretense to socially renegotiate her sex life after the deed is done. It's a way for women to absolve themselves of the responsibility and consequence of their decisions. It's a way form women to feign that they're innocent little virgins and that anything untoward that may have happened was definitely not their fault.
Though I'm wondering why even bother with the pretense in these degenerate times. Supposedly wanton promiscuous sex is a positive, so why bother lying about it?
As for actual rape or on the question of rape babies or whatever, yeah, I don't care. Criminals probably have bad genes, so yeah, go ahead and euthanize the baby, if you want.
I suppose a eugenics program would be anti feminist in your opinion?
@OlderAndWiser
Good morning O&W, if I may jump in here….
“Have you EVER heard anyone suggest that abortion should not be available to save the life of the mother?” Yes. Here on G&G. Many times.
“…abortion should be available to women who have truly been the victim of a rape…” What do you mean by “truly” raped? You want to dismiss discussion about abortion as the result is rape because “very few abortions are performed for that reason.” But if we do take about it, it’s very important to focus of if the women was “truly” raped because women lie about that all the time? 🤦🏻♀️ Do you think women lie about being raped more often than rape actually occurs? Kinda sounds like it.
Carrying a pregnancy to term just to turn around and give it away isn’t nearly as easy as you like to pretend. Women who give birth only to give the baby away for a better life are hero's in my mind. I can’t even begin to imagine how difficult that would be. You speak about giving away a baby like you would your old car.
And adoption doesn’t do a damn thing about the actual pregnancy and childbirth. Sometimes, that’s what she’s looking to avoid.
Cont…
@OlderAndWiser
Nobody should be forced to witness their child’s suffering if it can be prevented. Some disabilities bring obstacles to regular everyday life, but for the most part they can function in our world. However, when you are speaking about disabilities that completely prevent them from living a life without constant care, or a life full of pain and agony, then the parents should have the choice to bring that kind of need into their homes and their lives. We put animals to sleep, out of compassion, for less suffering sometimes.
I agree with you that BC should be used if you don’t want a child. However, it’s not 100% effective, and accidents happen. I am done having children. My husband and I have taken steps to prevent more children. However, it’s not 100% guaranteed.
What do you recommend? Should we be ready to accept a sexless marriage in our effort to not have more children?
Would that be an acceptable solution for your life?
Most of your arguments is just that “it isn’t the reason most abortions happen”.
They still happen, believe it or not! 🤯
And who are you to act like it’s just an inconvenience. Do you know how painful pregnancy actually is? Of course you don’t. Just because you don’t have to ever go through it, at least be aware on how much change would happen to a woman’s body and the amount of pain she would have to endure.
@OrallyFixated "Do you think women lie about being raped more often than rape actually occurs? Kinda sounds like it." No, I simply thing that false rape claims are not uncommon, and they may become even more common if that is ecessary to qualify someone for an abortion.
"Carrying a pregnancy to term just to turn around and give it away isn’t nearly as easy as you like to pretend." WHen did I "pretend" that it was easy. I only think that people should be responsible for the consequences of their actions. . . a novel concept in the current political climate.
"You speak about giving away a baby like you would your old car." You are accusing me of statements that I NEVER made! But I don't expect an apology.
"And adoption doesn’t do a damn thing about the actual pregnancy and childbirth. Sometimes, that’s what she’s looking to avoid." Right; "being pregnant isn't convenient so please kill my baby for me."
@OlderAndWiser
False rape claims will definitely go up if it’s required in order to get an abortion. That’s a no brainer. But I don’t believe false allegations are as prevalent as you like to believe.
And proving you have been raped isn’t an exact science either. What happens when we’re not sure? Force her to have the baby just in case she’s lying? If you’re a real victim, too bad, so sad?
You stated “No, she can place that baby for adoption.” as a response to an economic concern. Simple, problem solved statement. As if giving away a family member is a simple solution. As a woman who has carried children to term and raised them, it is not a simple solution. For some, like myself, it would never even be a consideration.
Oh, and abortion is taking responsibility. Just because you don’t like the choice that was made, it is at times, the responsible choice.
So you’re right. I have no reason to apologize, so you won’t be getting one.
Of course, any reason a woman might have for choosing abortion is going to be reduced to a mere inconvenience by someone who will never find themselves having to make that choice.
@OrallyFixated "But I don’t believe false allegations are as prevalent as you like to believe." Okay; since you know what I am thinking without me expressing any of that, tell me how prevalent I think they are.
@U4ea0 Technically if there married which is religious means that can't continue to deny their husband from sex. They may request and upon consent have a time of no sex, but this cannot continue unless it had consent from her husband... So legally, if religious views were accepted with the marriage I would think that they have no argument. It also says a women must submit to her husband... I mean its pretty screwed up that they decide to pick and choose what they claim and what law is decided to be a crime. Why is adultery a crime but denying sex is? The denying led to the adultery but that apparently isn't a defense. What it comes down to is women think they should have control over men instead of being responsible...
@OlderAndWiser
You believe it prevalent enough the ensure you state that only the “truly” raped females get abortions.
This isn’t a matter of me saying “you believe X, so you must believe Y,” which I see around here all the time. I am literally going by the words you are posting. Your word choices betray what you are thinking.
I’m not the one telling you what you think. You are the one telling me. You just don’t like the way it sounds when looked at from a different POV.
That’s not my fault.
@SushiSxnpai Besides rape and safety to maintain life of female, the solution to all your what if are this, DONT have sex. If you can't or dont want to chance the consequence then dont engage in an act to which its has been biologically designed to reproduce. You dont need sex to live, sex is to reproduce. I seriously dont understand how society has somehow forgot this part. We eat, drink water to grow, sleep to recharge, learn by watching others and develop problem solving capabilities, we wash to keep from our bodies clean, and sex is to reproduce... Are there any other animals on Earth which have sex other than to reproduce? Can they just be crap I didn't want to this baby and get it scraped out?
Birth control ok, even the morning after pill ill say is acceptable, but abortion on demand is more so means that is creating lack of responsibility. If this is one of the most important life changing experiences a woman and man can have, then why is taken so lightly, why should an oops I dont like the outcome solution be on demand? I dont get a choice on whether she carries life I helped create, I dont have a choice whether or not I want to support the child once its born if in didn't want her to carry, I dont have that choice if I decide to commit a crime, make a bad financial choice, or any choice for that matter of oops I dont like the outcome let me void being responsible of the consequences.
Once the baby is conceived, reproduction has taken place. Carrying the baby is no longer in reproducing, its now in development. The baby is not your body, your body is now a vessel for another life form, think of it like the baby is a renter and you can't just evict them because thats what you want, they have the right to lease that space till it decides to vacate unless health concerns occur.
@OrallyFixated since you know what I am thinking without me expressing any of that, tell me how prevalent I think they are.
@OlderAndWiser
I already answered that question. “You believe it prevalent enough the ensure you state that only the “truly” raped females get abortions.”
It's not something I talk about. As far as I know I don't have any.
I believe birth control should be sold over the counter and be available by delivery to women's homes.
Yeah I can't take them , but I know a lot of people that do that sucks.
Do you believe all prescription medications should be changed to over-the-counter?
@OlderAndWiser Absolutely not! That would be a disaster. You know how many patients insist that I write them a prescription for a problem they don't even have? Prescription drugs need to have physician supervision. Even oral contraceptives need some supervision. The long term effects of hormonal birth control can be pretty bad. It is well known in the medical community that these drugs increase a woman's risk of developing certain types of cancer to the same level as a heavy smoker. Few women know this.
@OlderAndWiser My mistake...
That it tkes two of the opposite gender to reproduce, so why don't the dads-to-be have a say in the life of the baby?
Personally when I talk about it I don’t just mean women should have access to abortions but also birth control options and things like that
Is there somewhere in the US that women don't have birth control options available to them? That stuff is available through my county health department.
no that’s all available but im saying when I have convo’s with people about it I feel like all of that ties into reproductive rights as a whole
There are just those type of people who wants abortion for free and there are just those who wishes for it to be just legal no matter how much it costs but after all it's the guy paying for it. Diverse people, diverse answers.
For me it’s access to abortion, contraceptives, sex education, bodily autonomy, and access to infertility like vasectomies
Maybe both Females and Males can discuss Reproductive Rights and agree on some things concerning it.
Personally my usage of the term is more to do with the CCP as well as the left wing governments they backed into power operating a restrictive system of eugenics to in only allow certain people to breed and in certain numbers
It means a woman had the right to do what she wants with her body.
What about her baby's body?
@OlderAndWiser I take it as the life created should be protected, because that is not her body.
. . . and her baby's body?
Personally no, to me it means abortion is legalized, and accessible, (most counties in a state having a provider), and done till at least 20-24 weeks, none of that '15' week nonsense if I wanted that I would move to Saudi Arabia.
Not at all, I would keep my baby
Not just abortion. There's embryo donation if you don't want that, too
I have no idea
that baby looks constipated.
This argument is redundant.
Yeah bring back the fetus frightening rooms.
You can also add your opinion below!
Most Helpful Opinions