Do you think abortion is dividing our country?

[Anonymous]

For me, abortion is not dividing our nation. It's never a primary issue for America because it does not affect much people who already have kids or smartly prevent pregnancy before hooking up.

Politically, I guess I know the reason why it is a issue. Because the media make it does. Democrats tend to embrace that ideal if you do see recent debates between them and Republicans candidates before our middle election. They keep digging whether abortion is a right as primary, regardless serious issues like inflation, unemployment and over-immigration from the South. If you think digging like that is not dividing, then overturning Roe V Wade is consequent, neither.

If Roe V Wade Overturn is a crisis, then since when did people confuse Roe V Wade policy had not been a crisis? People have protested for many years against that abortion. Furthermore, if thinking Republicans people trying to restrict abortion is wrong, back to previous years before Roe V Wade Overturn, there had been Democrats people supporting and donating money to encourage abortion, majorly to get the votes, same as Republicans in contrast, and it is still, that affect choice of people. It's no difference from restricting abortion. It's no longer a choice anymore.

I hate abortion personally because of its irresponsibility of people when hooking up before thinking about pregnancy, especially the young one. I hate Democrats when one side they support young people (even kids today) promote sex. In the other side, they are trying to support abortion, so if I call them making a baby then kill, it's not wrong for them except they give up one of those. If young people learn more, or their teachers instead of teaching political issue like CRT, teach them how to hook up smartly and think about pregnancy, it's never been an issue. Just a remind that a rape case is a minor minor case comparing to a main reason people liking abortion.

(Don't think I am accusing teachers, I am not trying to blame, just mock CRT.)

[MCheetah]

I just had to block someone the other day because I am pro-choice and wrote a post about how few pro-life people actually give a damn about these children POST birth, or do anything to help make sure they survive post-birth, including wanting pay a penny more in taxes for welfare programs to ensure these kids survival and how idiotic it is to admit these mothers are irresponsible, yet also force them to raise embryos into babies for life, and then bitch and whine about children not being easy to raise, nor cheap, but how it's "not their problem" when it comes to the actual raising children part, but it is somehow any of their fucking business, who decides to be a mother or not, and how they feel entitled to have Big Government stick their hand into the pussy of women and force that embryo out as a baby, while also doing nothing to help it survive...

I first ignored the asshole, then I blocked him, when he wouldn't shut the fuck up about it. BayouBob, on here. I was literally thinking about this in the shower this morning, because how much it still pissed me off and how braindead fucking retarded you have to be, to have logic this inconsistent. Spent twenty minutes, arguing in my own head, about it.

I've had plenty of MyTakes about this, explaining how pro-life trivializes parenthood and makes it sound cheap or easy, or how anyone can "be a good parent" when that's clearly not true. I am SO fucking sick of hearing about abortion at this point, especially from some of the dumbest people in society, who are usually against the idiotic "feelings before facts" logic that Progressives and other morons have, except when it comes to abortion.

My point remains and has never changed: Unless you're an abstinent virgin saving yourself for marriage and ONLY intend to have sex for reproduction AND you are willing to literally put your money where your mouth is, and ensure these children can survive AFTER birth, then you really need to shut the fuck up, mind your own business, and worry about your own fucked up, sloppy, trainwreck of a life... Not saying this to OP, but ANYONE who is that adamantly pro-life.

Again: The world is overpopulated as it is.
The adoption process is a nightmare and so many ACTUAL living children already suffer in it.
Parents who DO want children, often fail to be good parents and not raise fucked up children in our fucked up society.
Raising children is NOT cheap, nor easy. "It takes a village to raise a child."
You don't give a fuck about all the children dying and being used as meat shields in Africa and the Middle East right now...
And so on.

For as much idiotic shit as the left says, this abortion issue is the one thing the right does which is just as fucking idiotic, emotion-driven, and "feelings over facts" as any of the other 72 genders, non-binary shit they usually like to mock and laugh at.

So yes, I think the abortion issue is driving the US apart, among many other reasons why people can't stay the fuck out of everyone else's life and worry about their own shit. It's just usually coming from the radical left.

[Asker]

It’s just all about controlling population so far. Even the left or right could be retarded in this abortion when both sides exploit it as much as they can (but mostly the left right now because that is one of the few issue they can attack the children.) Like I said, I hate abortion because it shows the irresponsibility of the parents. If they feels they don’t want the children and just want sex, wear the condom.

In larger scale, execute Roe V Wade by the left was the first step pushing far more this situation, like Tom said below, overturn it just sending us back 50 years ago. The left is the one making the issue worse when a few years ago, they send money to people and encourage them to abort even we haven’t overturn Roe V Wade yet. One more step push it far to overturn Roe V Wade.

Who is making the suffering world now? Ask the extremists from both sides. For sure they will blame each other. From the one living from the fixed mindset as my heritage country, U. S. is awesome when here, even out there, regardless differences, is still the livable place even whatever side you are. Differences in living style can be fixed by education, but it only can be fixed when people stop making decisions as abortion or let kid be adopted later after pregnancy, and education focus on the correct thing. When one side want to ruin the education (like the left currently when they endorse both sex and abortion, like making baby then kill), we should stop them instead of stopping raising children in this world, that’s like an excuse. You can stop bearing children, of course, let the third country bear for you and then they continue raising another bad kid. The ideology of Western and Eastern are different partially coming from how well the education is. The kids are best raised by their own parents even it’s not all cases. Think about schooling them about sex, hooking up safely more than teaching them about somethings like 72 genders or whether should we have a neutral toilet room.

[Asker]

What people are, what government is, like a reflection. If we encourage stopping native born, you can not stop over-born from the other countries. Then as the left does, take reason to send more illegal people to U. S., then a few year later, those can vote who owned the left, run away from their left countries (even their left states) but still vote for it, that could change the ideology of U. S., like right now. I feel your pissing off because there is a lot of people ain’t do and suffer a shit but like to give the crazy ideas and want people to understand.

If children were stopped to raise because of the suffering world, honestly, we all die a thousand years ago in the extremist time because that’s what they think in that time. World doesn’t stop circle even you do that. And the world now is better if you see the brutal life in the past where still happen in some third countries in Asia, Africa and Middle East.

[Asker]

We are the demonstration for the better world and a better life from the past, regardless the level of destruction increase, that’s the cost of advancement in science. People are demanding so that could not be avoided. In the past, you could be fucking killed instantly just because you violate something, brutally hanging publicly, or tortured to death and etc., In the past, they don’t have specific laws, so they punish people more the same way even the level of guilts are different. But see the complicated laws today, even it’s unfair, even it’s suck, that’s one of the demonstration for human better life from the past. There is no worse future or suffering world, it’s just our mind messed up with us.

[MCheetah]

Yeah, I know *why* they're doing it. I'm just talking about, the people who actually argue with me about it. Most people are manipulated by some stupid hot button issue, instead of having tolerance for each other and being all "live and let live." I just often hate the people stupid enough to fall for it, as much as those manipulating them with it, cause these people fail to see how gullible and stupid they are, to be manipulated to begin with. That's why I first ignored the one guy. But he wouldn't shut the fuck up about the issue. An issue he sounded like a complete retard about, but was adamant he was correct in.

I'm not arguing that people are irresponsible. My point is, how can someone mentally and/or physically fuck up a human's life by forcing them to be abused under irresponsible parents, just because of their moral-fagging logic about being anti-abortion? It's more inhumane to force a child to be raised by abusive parents and later commit suicide, than it is to abort a 4 week old embryo (since that embryo is not a baby to begin with, hence the name "embryo"). Especially if these same pro-life people are using condoms and having recreational sex, and using morning after pills anyway, as if that shit isn't ALSO abortion and preventing a baby from eventually being born.

I do agree that people promote sex and promiscuity too much nowadays. Which is why these people are the LAST ones you want being parents to begin with!

[Asker]

In short, I don’t care about people’ choice abortion or pro-life. I can personally hate this, but that’s just my personality. As I said, abortion could be stopped when they raise children on their own or basically don’t get pregnant when intending not to have kid, pro-life is not existed consequently. That’s what I think we should do. No more sexual stuffs in school like sexual image and genders shit. Educate kids about hooking up and pregnancy. And don’t make the suffering world as an excuse. (At least 2/3 of the world having the better life than Africa, and 2/3 of the world is not innocent from brutal killing decades ago, centuries ago and thousand years ago, but things just change and they stop killing each other.)

(I saw you comment when I am still, just let you know this comment related to previous part, not about your new one)

[Asker]

(It’s for your new comment)
That’s true. We do not want kids raised in hand of bad parents. Every one is avoiding the bad of their side, but forgot that is the reason tearing us apart. Additionally, if somewhere could be fixed, I think we could start somewhere from the holes of our sides instead of criticizing enemies like the enemies are ready to kill us. That literally divide us apart.

[USLegionary]

The Roe vs Wade thing is a distraction from real issues by the Biden regime to get Biden reelected

[MzAsh]

I agree with Agape that the extremists are. You don’t have to like abortion. You don’t have to have one. But you’re not going to make that decision for someone else.

[Asker]

Soon or late we will have someone want to decide for someone else because in a larger scale, it’s population problem.

As America, Republicans want more native born while Democrats want more who will vote for them (because they increase people immigrating from the South but indirectly restricting immigration from other countries.) It’s a bigger problem than politics somehow. In China, when they first get over-over population (1 billion lol), they restrict the amount of baby that every family only has two kids. Also them, even it’s still over-population, because of not meeting their economic expectation, they unrestricted it. It is same government (if I am not wrong, it is same leader either.) over years.

Just let you know that abortion is the term whether you like or not. Someone will want or won’t want you to do that. The only thing we can do is to help people to think before doing something, so we don’t have unexpected case don’t know what to do.

[Cubus]

"you’re not going to make that decision for someone else" - Sounds like exactly what abortion is about - to make a decision for someone else.

[MzAsh]

When your body governs it, that’s your decision to make.

[Cubus]

Thankfully your body doesn't govern anyone :)

[MzAsh]

I’ll be the authority on that one too.

[Cubus]

Nope. When there is a collision of norms, right to life has higher power than a right to feel comfortable.

[MzAsh]

Nope. No one will be the wiser. That’s MY decision with my partner.

[Cubus]

You can't be "wiser" when deciding about someone else's life or death.

[MzAsh]

That’s your opinion.

[Cubus]

That;s not my opinion, but a law doctrine in civil law and common law systems. Although there are some countries that think opposite - like Pakistan.

[MzAsh]

Regardless, women who want an abortion will get one.

[Cubus]

Not in USA. European countries would follow it soon, because of drastically falling birthrates.

[MzAsh]

We could use a few billion less rn

[Cubus]

Right now - not really, as there's still a lot of place. And in the future - clearly not, because the economy would be hit hard with it.

[MzAsh]

My issue isn’t necessarily all about number, but at the quality of life and intelligence in humans. Our population continues to get dumber. And that needs to change.

[Cubus]

You won't solve population getting dumper this way.

[MzAsh]

It will take others measures as well.

[Cubus]

According to your logic, elections should have a low turnout, because the higher the turnout, the more dumb people vote.

[letuswaltzforthedead]

The abortion debate is just a distraction like the comments are saying. It's obviously a women's right to have an abortion whenever and however she chooses, so Democrats are using the change to paint the Republicans as evil. There's bigger issues right now (like the recession) but abortion is a core issue many people are hyper focused on.

[Asker]

Abortion is mostly hyped up on Democrats’ discussion. When they are no longer having much thing better to debate since people understand what they do, they take either abortion, event on 06/01/2020, who win election 2020 or gun controls to control the crowd.

For me, those issue I mentioned above is still too much mysteries for Republicans to debate while the other things are so obvious which easily are broken by Republicans. In short, that’s why Democrats choose abortion to investigate for this middle election.

If one side people hype it up, the other side will hype up either, just a trend of society and that’s what Democrats want so we all are distracted. But it’s 2022, not 2015 anymore, people tend to be aware whatever Democrats trying to do.

[Agagagagaga]

“ It's obviously a women's right to have an abortion whenever and however she chooses”

It is? I’m glad you settled that for us. 🙄

[letuswaltzforthedead]

@tanhoaon , so if abortion is brought up by [you say likely to be the] Democrats, how do you think the reaction will go? Will it be hyped for a short while and then forgotten by most except the people who actually care or do you think we'll hear about it for longer?

[letuswaltzforthedead]

@Agagagagaga are you implying that you think it's not? Why? Or are you agreeing with the idea and I just said it the wrong way? I'm not sure what you mean here.

[Asker]

@letuswaltzforthedead As soon as Democrats have the new things to attack Republicans, they will still exploit abortion. Roe V Wade exist a couple of decades. For old people, mostly don’t care about it, but for the young one who actually never live the life without Roe V Wade, it’s too new for them so Democrats are still able to exploit it. The older who votes Democrats because of other policies mostly, not because the crazy abortion thing. It can not be too long for the young when they get older and learn to live in a new version of the world (it’s not new for the old but new for the young.) Like you said, only who care about abortion things still hold and fight for it.

[letuswaltzforthedead]

@tanhoaon , ok that makes sense. Abortion seems to be part of the focus currently on the left but not the full focus so I wanted to ask. Do you think there will be any major new event that they will also try to use? Or some way for the Republicans to counter the whole debate or ignore it?

[Asker]

The more people affected by it. The more people care about it. In data shit from CDC, in terms of more than half of Obama’s presidency and Trump’s presidency, each years has abortion rate is just between 10%-15% so either Republicans or Democrats take charge, there is just a slightly change in there. We are people certainly caring about abortion. We can include some more like political Democrats people who actually fight for party, or independents who think that may think abortion affect their freedom and certain amount of Republicans who need to be there to fight against it. I can’t think more than that. That’s my guess.

[Asker]

I don’t know I am not representatives. If I am, except in the case that is a topic about abortion, if it is just a general political discussion, I will say something like “why is freedom in abortion more important than freedom in living standard.” Because actually inflation, taxes and crimination affect people’ choice more than abortion. Currently, I saw Republicans like to pull the topic Ukraine war up to challenge candidates in Democrats since Biden is very bad in foreign policies.

[Asker]

This next middle election will shape the tanks of the news so let see. But I don’t think Democrats are able to pull out racists topic in the future when people start to learn and realize what the BLM 2020 really is, except someone is so stupid to provoke that again, but it needs to be a level of extreme criticism.

[letuswaltzforthedead]

@tanhoaon the media really limits criticism and to some degree, either side dont really listen to the other side much. I don't know what's the current consensus regarding the BLM situation and racism in general even though the left seemed pretty uniform about it at first. A possiblity would be that it would get brought up as well as the topic of abortion but the right will probably end up ignoring it and talk about the current economical situation, wdyt?

[Asker]

@letuswaltzforthedead The big tech restrict opinions because that indirectly affect their company. They like to eat the smaller which can threaten them in long-term. They like to make more money from unstable countries like China, my heritage country Vietnam or the other SouthEast countries. I don’t know how much ambition they want their company coming to but they literally have conspiracies something, or they just basically like to control people (I think a lot of people want it either.)

Leftists today is transformed. I mean the leftist ideals are not all wrong, but the way they seek votes regardless risks making every their decision counterproductive. They disregard every better candidates of their party just to promote Biden who actually have votes in title (I mean his vice president for Obama is cool and Obama is an political idol), that’s why they take our Biden don’t know what he is doing now become a President. They exploit Covid in Trump’s time so we can vote by mail, but consequences of Covid is still there. Biden who know no better solution do the same thing as Trump did even his time is time for at least half country got vaccinated. They provoke racist BLM from a wrong situation that make people distrusting them when they worship criminals + defund police. They lose extremely control on their protesters. That’s why stealing is more common and even stealing from them, burning happens more than it should be and BLM’s leaders bite each other for sharing until today.

I am not sure about future economy but current is suck and every single one know that even leftists, except those don’t really work for their own life who actually don’t need to care about it. Inflation cause consequent economy worse. Taxes restrict the growth of economy and crimination consequently happen more since living pressure is higher.

[Asker]

If the middle election Democrats play the old game, they may win and economy get worse, but probability to have a civil war get higher. If the middle election Republicans take more seats, then economy may get a little bit better but for sure Democrats will not sit there and watch Republicans winning 2024 election, something bad will happen. We will see.

[Asker]

The possibility of World War 3 happen could cause the game changing. Right now it’s depending on how Ukraine-Russia war come to. The consequences will take shape for a lot of things in future.

[AviatorTom]

Abortion always has been divisive. Some people are in favor of it and some are not. What's changed recently is that there is no longer a nationwide right to abortion, which puts us back where we were 50 years ago, and the 200 years before that.

[Anonymous]

Actually this issue has been surprisingly UNdevisive. Leftists and feminists have essentially rolled over on the issue. There are some legal battles going on in some states but those are not dividing the country. That exactly what the intention was... to give states the ability to make their own laws, and that is what is happening.

The silence of feminists on the issue is shocking to me. It's as if feminism is dead and gone.

[Asker]

It’s not supposed to be divisive even before or after Roe V Wade policy. Feminism is not all dead when there are a lot of women still battling for women life. But you know what, only feminism organization like the one in our country and EU fight for their own benefits, not female rights. Furthermore, those organizations looks like a political organization.

[Guy13]

It always has and will continue to do so as long as there are those who think they have the right to kill a living being. Same group of people who cry no death penalty

[TheMoralCrusader]

I have mixed views on things and I just don't see how if someone gets an abortion it is gonna affect someone else just because they don't like it. It is not their baby so they should stay out out of it and the same goes for all bodily autonomy issues including masks and vaccines. If it is not voluntary it is tyranny.

[Asker]

It does. Abortion is just one part of population war, especially when it become larger and larger scale. That’s why the Democrats race to endorse abortion to restrict native born to promote immigration from the South. In contrast, Republicans need to do the opposite when that effectively affect politics.

I love to have non-political abortion policy, but with that larger problem, soon or late, we like or not, that will become an issue between people even that’s not their kids.

[Avicenna]

Elites love using it as a wedge to get ordinary people at each other's throats. I agree that it is not as important as the media hypes it up to be.

[TroyDT2]

Political heads think everything is a defining issue. Yet historically, except when there is war, Bill Clinton's "It's the economy, stupid." has been the theme.

[loveslongnails]

No, stupidity is, and always has, always will.

[Agape93]

Nope. Extremists are.

[TheMoralCrusader]

People like you set out to see people destroyed and lose their job for saying my body my choice when it comes to the vaccine but then when abortion is on the table you are all for bodily autonomy. That is what someone who is insane does. I believe in bodily autonomy no matter what abortion, vaccines, masks. If it isn't voluntary it is medical tyranny.

[Agape93]

Uhhh hope you realize we agree on this, right?

[TheMoralCrusader]

So you agree on it all the way across the board? If so then we are cool.

[Agape93]

Yeap. Ones body is one's own business. I may think an anti vaxxer is a dipshit for not getting a polio vaccine, but I'd never advocate for them to be forced to have it, for example

[TheMoralCrusader]

Well ok you are halfway there at least lol. They vaccinated me as a kid and fucked me up beyond belied Pure OCD some kind of distraction thing ADD or ADHD or something like that but knowing what I know now I would never trust another vaccine as long as I live. 3 years ago I was still getting the flu shot. I woke up though I researched the ingredients and I do not want that stuff in my body but if someone wants a vaccine that is their choice. I just am not getting it.

[Agape93]

Understandable, I don't blame you. I hate medication for the same reason, that and it usually makes it worse

[TheMoralCrusader]

@Agape93 Exactly we don't have to agree on everything and I am on some medicine that I wish I wasn't on and I don't trust any of it anymore. I feel it is much better to question everything at this point.

[Agape93]

Exactly. We don't even need to agree on everything, shit, I disagree with everyone on here to varying degrees but I have friends with different views on everything pretty much.

[TheMoralCrusader]

I was a huge conservative my best friend was mostly a liberal now we both are really neither and just agree that we don't trust the government.