I think we as men should start demanding a DNA test at birth on every baby born. What is you opinionon this?

[Anonymous]

https://dnatesting.com/30-of-men-not-the-father/

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1 y

I am talking about before the husband signs the birth certificate.

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1 y

This is 3 out of 10 / 30 out of 100 / 300 out of a 1000 kid that are not her husband kids.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Sadly in my state, if they are married the father is put on the birth certificate by default, even if she cheated and someone else is the biological. He doesn't need to even sign it.

If not married, the mother gets to fill it out and put who the father is on it. I'm not sure if he has to actually sign it in that case.

There are thousands of cases of men finding out their kid is not theirs, filing for divorce cause she cheated and still having to pay child support.

For awhile I've been a fan of just having a law that says it must be done at birth. Here the state collects a blood sample of babies and it goes on record (not sure why someone tried to explain it and it was gobbly goo to me.)

Might as well add check paternity of the alleged father to the other tests that are ran to the mix. IF the mother knows who the father is and states it. If she says she doesn't know but he knows and wants to be part of the child's life he can pay for a test later to get himself added.

I've been cheated on by almost every man I've been with, so I can relate to how men feel when they get cheated on. Those that oppose this usually have something to hide that they don't want figured out.

They think, no big deal, what he doesn't know won't hurt him so he can raise a child that is his and we can live all happily together... then one day, they both do 23 and me or one of the other tests.

[Asker]

The state couldn't care less who the father is as long as some man pays and the state doesn't have to.

[Adaeva]

It is a simple test. Hospitals could do it at very little cost. However, it would be no benefit to me. Also, since it is my duty to seek the best available genes for my eggs, if I was married that could be harmful to me if, when ovulating, the best available genes was not my husband. Nevertheless, I can understand how men might want it considering how the laws and family courts are so heavily biased against men.

[Asker]

That's great, make sure you marry the genes you want to father you children. What do you do when those genes are in a man that doesn't want to marry you but will have sex with you?

[Adaeva]

Why should that matter? It is my duty to give my children the best genes available to me and that may not be my husband genes. Since most women couldn't mate with the Alpha male, during the Stone Age women would mate with a guy that is dependable and a good provider. Then when ovulation, if the risk of discovery was low, would have sneaky sex with the Alpha male in order to give their children the best chance at surviving. It is subconscious; not conscious. Nevertheless, women that did not do that are not our ancestors.

[Adaeva]

Cuckoldry is the fate of males the animal kingdom over. In study after study of species after species, the idea that females are naturally devoted to their one and only mates has fallen to growing evidence that many of the world's supposedly monogamous femalesare guilty of their share of indiscretions.

Yet in spite of these findings, many biologists, especially male biologists, held out hope that some males might be immune to this kind of treatment by their mates -- particularly the exemplary, hard-working fathers.

But research reported in the Proceedings of the Royal Society shatters that dream. Although the diminutive males do everything to care for the young of their raucous, beefy females, these males are cuckolded. Under some circumstances, the researchers found, males had a 74 percent chance of raising another male's offspring, a mistake in the evolutionary race to perpetuate one's own genes.

“It's about as bad as it can be for these guys,” said Dr. Peter Wrege, a behavioral ecologist at Cornell University who wrote the paper with Dr. Stephen Emlen at Cornell and Dr. Mike Webster of the State University of New York at Buffalo. “A male stuck with doing all the parental care should have a very high certainty of paternity, but in fact, that's not the case.”

[musicbrain5]

Oh come on, no 14 year old ever thinks or says those things.

[Asker]

And you are why we men need DNA testing in the first place.

[Adaeva]

Since I have never had sex, obviously that can't be true. I would hope that you have the intelligence to to know that.

[Asker]

People are having sex at your age all the time. They made a TV show called teen pregnancy

[Adaeva]

That is not true because although it happens, it is not all the time. However, even if it was true, and even if it included me, I cannot be nor can any single female be the reason that men need DNA testing. It can only be based on the norm or at least what a significant percentage of women do.

[inhua]

why demand when it can be made mandatory?

you hear the same arguments of "oh well you don't trust her" or "you're just insecure" as if every father shouldn't have the right to know who his kid is. mothers know who their kids are which is fine but somehow the father shouldn't? kids should also be allowed to know who their real father is as well.

not every woman cheats but let's not pretend like cheating doesn't happen and many cheaters will hide behind this to justify "baby-trapping" a beta to do the work for the alpha. mandatory DNA testing will clear up all the issues and I don't see why people will be so heavily against it. the only possible loss is if the father finds out the kid is not his but if that's not a possibility then there's nothing to worry about when the testing does happen.

[suzzieQ]

Did your father get a paternity test?

[inhua]

@suzzieQ maybe he did. maybe he didn't. he's no longer on this world for me to ask him

[suzzieQ]

Well if he did apparently he still fulfilled the roll of your father

[Chazmatazz269]

Most states don’t allow DNA testing without both parents’ approval. Nearly two thirds of states have “dad by default” laws. There’s literally nothing a man CAN do if a woman decides she wants his money. She doesn’t really even have to be pregnant in some states. You CANNOT force a pregnancy test any more than a DNA test in most states. Now that states are starting to push for pregnancy support before the kid is even born, hundreds of thousands of men are going to be forced to pay women for their indiscretions whether or not the kids are theirs and even when there’s NO baby. Just take your money for a few months then claim miscarriage. Y’all have no idea how fucked it’s about to get here.

[Asker]

Mass vasectomy before marriage and don't tell your wife. Just wait for her to tell you she is pregnant and then tell her that she admitted to cheating on you. The look on her face is priceless.

[Chazmatazz269]

That absolutely will not stop the courts from holding you responsible. That’s exactly the purpose behind “dad by default” laws. There is NOTHING you, as a man, can do in the majority of US states to keep from being held accountable for a baby once a woman has chosen your resources.

[MzAsh]

If you feel the need to do that, you have no business being in a relationship with this person, if one at all.

[Asker]

All women lie and most women cheat, just a matter of facts

[LazerBean]

Then why are you men trying to have sex with them? Talk about shit, non-existent standards.

[Asker]

@LazerBean because you women will let them.

[MzAsh]

No excuse. Don’t stick your dick in women you don’t trust.

[Asker]

Men don't trust women at all. Never mistake he don't care with trust. The marriage rates tell you how much men trust women

[MzAsh]

For what reasons would you have sex with them if you don’t trust them?

[Asker]

Don't plan on keeping them.

[suzzieQ]

I think it should be required. Just like prenups

[jshm2]

Don't be fucking stupid. Also that site is just spouting bullshit to get people to buy their dubious quality tests.

Also, don't forget that DNA tests can be wrong or flawed, some even get mixed up if the management of the lab is shit.

In other words, the opposite is also true. Possible that 100s of kids were genuinely their fathers, but the parent cheeped out and bought a shit quality/wrong test!

[Asker]

You are really digging deep for that one. You are free to raise Bubba kids if your not man enough to make your own.

[Msputiton]

The paternity test results you are looking at is skewed.

A paternity test is done usually because there is suspicious behaviors that lead to wanting them. Like she cheated on him or he thinks she might be so the chances of the baby not being the partner is gonna be extremely high.

So 30% of the suspicious behavior is true.

This is not even close to reality.

But nobody is forcing you to date a woman. And nobody is forcing you to not get a paternity test.

[Asker]

So, what does that say about the ones that wasn't tested? I think it could be a lot higher than 30 percent. It's best if men just stop getting married completely. You girls can breed with who can get to support you.

[Msputiton]

a lot if most the shady women did not actually cheat far less of a percentage would have done it.

I mean you are more than welcome to find a guy to be with or sex doll or your hand.

Then you got no paranoia to worry about.
Nobody is forcing you to be with a woman.

[Asker]

Why don't women stop getting married and just start selling it on the streets. No test needed then.

[Msputiton]

We ain't the one whining about how dirty men are.
That's you going boohoo. This news article makes me hate women and trust them.
Ya don't trust them boohoo to a man and live your life with them.

You the one sad and worked up over an article and have 0 trust and respect in a gender.

Ya don't trust or respect a gender cut them out your life.

And then go about your business woman free🤷🏾‍♀️

[Midgetmcwidget]

scene:hospital delivery room, baby arrived.

Man: im not saying your a slag but I need to check first.

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[Asker]

Exactly

[Asker]

Make it mandatory and men won't have to asy

[suzzieQ]

Or men could just be responsible and get one done… you really want the government invoulved in ever aspect of your personal life?

[Asker]

@suzzieQ As soon as that child is born, it get a social security number. It's that chil license plate for life. The government users that child as security for bank loans. It's the taxs that are estimated from the taxs from the child life.

[jennifer_bloom]

It would be easier to offer free DNA tests or make the woman pay for it if their is evidence of cheating. A lot of men won’t ask for the test so mandatory testing would waste money on those that trust their wives.

[Asker]

They run blood test on the baby anyway, though a DNA test in with all the other test.

[Surely]

After watching a few of the Paternity Court shows. One would think that there should be testing.
But I am sure that for the major majority of women. Testing would not be necessary or you should not be in a relationship with them in the first place!

[tzdc21]

Given the crazy world we live in and the number of women who commit paternity fraud today, it does make sense to have DNA tests mandatory. I am assured that will lower the numbers of cheating and paternity fraud.

[Labokachulaa]

I agree with this, I've heard so many stories about women lying to men and putting them on child support for kids that aren't theirs. I feel like in this day and age this shouldn't still be happening.

[boggboss]

If thats what u want good for u but I and many ither men don't see a point mate

[Asker]

They estimate it cost about 150,000 dollars per child to raise up. Do you care if that child is your or its could be her ex boyfriend and you just think it yours?

[boggboss]

If thats my thinking in the first place I wouldn't be with her I'm not so broken that i have replaced trust with policing

[Asker]

My man, it's the ones you don't suspect that will F you over every time.

[boggboss]

If thats true why even get into a relationship mate might aswell stay single and just full around

[sage2021]

Well yeah because you want to make sure that the baby belongs to the right mother. Sometimes they get switched.

[Anonymous]

I think everyone should have a paternity test any time a child is born.

It's only fair to fathers. And to children, who deserve to know who their real father is.

I don't know why this isn't a hot button men's rights issue tbh.

[bolverk]

If I were a young man today I would be demanding a DNA test before I allowed my name to be on a birth certificate even when I'd be using a condom every-time (which I'd buy and dispose of after the act).

[LiamJHayden]

Would solve the issue of paternity fraud, but would also result in more divorces both by men who were cheated on and by women who were faithful and offended by the demand.

[MountAverage]

You can do whatever you want. You just need to find a woman dumb enough to enter a relationship with someone like you. But hey, crazier things have happened, so it's entirely possible.

[dustybiker]

I think you sound very bitter. Therapy might be wise. (Muting)

[Anonymous]

It does make you wonder if that would not be a good idea. I also wonder if the government should put it on your record. Wouldn't be popular but likely to be useful.

[Anonymous]

Then they would need to track down hundreds of men to find out who the real father is.

[Asker]

She knows who the real father is.

[suzzieQ]

I’ve been advocating for mandatory paternity tests for basically ever, surprisingly enough lots of guys don’t seem to think it’s a good idea

[Anonymous]

I really can't believe how many cucks there are on here. I mean actually defending cheating women.

[bean2k21]

That's dumb - I know whether or not a child is my offspring.