Approaching woman on the street will soon be an offence and could land you in jail for two years. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63916328
The bill also in includes making walking behind a woman a criminal offence.
The idea of course is to kerb the problem of sexual harassment but are we going to see jails full of guys who just said "good morning"
Jesus... That's it. England is done. Fuck it. Nuke it or wall it off from the rest of the world. Quarantine the stupidity with malicious force. They've gone full retard and completely woke. As if most British men weren't useless manginas and soy boys, to begin with.
Man, let this be a lesson to the rest of the world and especially the US and why the First and Second Amendment is so damn important. THIS is what wokeness does to a society. Turns you into a real-life fucking Children of Men society of gay people and feminists. England about to beat China's depopulation record, in record time! That's not including all the male-led suicides, of course.
In the US, we'd shout at the idiots trying to ban masculinity, and shoot the ones who'd get in our way. The US will never get this bad, for as long as people uphold The Constitution, and shoot anyone who tries to obstruct it.
Jesus, your country is a fucking shithole! I mean, I know the US has Joe Biden and all, but do ANY men still have any fucking balls left in that shitty rainy country or what? That's probably the most depressing news I've read all week. Your country quite LITERALLY fucking made male heterosexuality illegal! And I thought not nuking China was a waste of a good bomb.
Well hope you British lasses are gonna be happy now that all the men are dead. You guys let your leaders literally ban straight men, as a species. What the FUCK are you guys doing over there? God, this shit is DEPRESSING. I'm not even joking.
And yes, I know about all the Muslim rapists and murderers they've let flood into England and the rest of Europe. It doesn't matter though, cause they never arrest or prosecute the actual rapists and murderers cause they'd literally rather let rapes and murders happen to women "than be called a racist," while they'll gleefully arrest white Englanders for making "offensive Tweets."
Where the fuck is V for Vendetta when you guys need him? This shit is literally reality for you guys right now, with the US and Canada looking to be next unless real men nut up and make these politicians shut up.
I don't agree this law makes male heterosexuality illegal. Regardless this is a terrible idea and won't stop bad people from doing bad things. Just enforce the frigging law that stands which is you can't fucking rape people and get away with it. This might be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. How about make it illegal to talk to anyone. Lol
Not inheriently a completely awful idea but I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that this can be implemented in way that makes any sense.
You have to bear in mind that the people making policy are incapable of pissing in a straight line.
The biggest problem is establishing the protocol for overtaking a female pedestrian because I have found myself in this uncomfortable situation on a number of occassions where I have been walking faster than a woman down a road without really being aware of them until I start to get closer to them and I am then in this awkward situation where I don't know how to get past them because although I am going faster than them, I am not going so much faster that I can just get past them and be on my way in a short time frame, so what am I supposed to do?
Do I run past them?
Do stop and wait for them to make progress and then walk slower?
Do I say something?
I can't quite recall exactly what I have done at these times but I think I have said something so that they stop and let me go past and other times I have crossed the road so that I am on the other side and then walked uncomfortably quickly to get ahead of them sooner.
This is already plenty bad enough without there being criminal charges involved.
If you are going to criminalise this shit then there is going to have to be some system where slower moving females are required to pull over and let faster walkers to pass.
It is stupid, especially the parts that I consider freedom of speech, those should not be a crime.
Simply approaching shouldn't be an issue, as long as they respect it and do not block the path or follow, if no interest is shown.
What the article says they are criminalizing is;
1. Deliberately walking closely behind someone as they walk home at night -- I consider this stalking and should be a crime.
2. Making obscene or aggressive comments towards a person - I see this as Freedom of speech
3. Making obscene or offensive gestures towards a person - I consider this freedom of speech
4. Obstructing a person's path - Should be considered a crime, here it is... it is called unlawful detainment.
5. Driving or riding a vehicle slowly near to a person making a journey - Different form of stalking.
If simply approaching to talk is how they end up enforcing it, I expect everyone to not talk to anyone on the street.
That's... a little extreme. I think it's fine for a man or woman to approach each other to introduce themselves or see if they are interested in a date. Once the person declines or makes it clear they don't want to be bothered any longer and person keeps pressing them to engage with them, then yeah I can see that being a problem. But other than that, just seems weird and silly. Its like that guy who tried to ban staring/eye contact at his bar.. I think it will flop and no one will really care to follow it. How do you ban approaching someone? Is nobody gonna be able to approach anybody?
I guess I can understand following and blocking a person's path? That can be pretty scary. But if you're in store and you see someone who peaks your interest and you want to approach or just say hello to, that will be held against you?
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This is completely INACCURATE! The UK is contemplating introducing legislation to deal with so called street harassment, it's NOT simply about approaching a woman on the street- which would be a ridiculous and impractical state of affairs. That said, my advice to any men is to actively avoid ANY interactions with women. Do not talk to them, do not look at them, do not assist them under any circumstances. Women have been lecturing men for the past 50 years about how, 'strong and independent' they are and how they, 'Don't need men.' Increasingly, men perceive women as a 'RISK.' Women can and have made false allegations against men. Ergo, sensible men will just avoid women altogether, thereby protecting themselves from the potential of a false allegation of some sort.
At one time, if a male motorist observed a female stranded at the side of the road with a flat tyre, they would assist. Not anymore! Strong independent women can look after themselves, and most men appreciate the obvious RISK of stopping to assist. I would never help a woman under such a circumstance, they can either fix it themselves, or call a professional roadside assistance organisation. I would never place myself in a situation whereby a woman could make a bogus allegation against me.
I'm very happy for women to be strong and independent, that's great! I reserve the right to have nothing at all to do with them, that way I am protected.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
What starts as an idea to curb sexual harassment can end up putting thousands of innocent men in jail. They didn't put any thought in the bill, and just decided to do as they please. It's absolute clown world behavior.
How about maybe increase surveillance? How about add more specific criteria? The problem with such laws is that they're trying to put a bandage into an infected wound, not only will this not solve anything, but it will create more problems.
Just when you think things couldn't get any more crazy lol
I understand the objective- to help women feel more comfortable, but what does this do to men? Are we second class citizens, who aren't suppose to speak unless we're spoken to? How long until looking at a woman becomes illegal, in order to combat making women feel uncomfortable? What about asking women on dates? Should we not be permitted to do that, as it puts pressure on a woman to say yes? Are we no longer able to have sex in certain positions? Are we allowed to drink with them, past say 2 drinks?
The only reason why this came about is due to the mass of "refugees" and other such uneducated people that have arrived in the UK in recent years. The same reason why the German police last year were advising any blonde women to dye their hair black to avoid being singled out. The same reason why the rape statistics in countries like Sweden, with hundreds to thousands of "refugees", have skyrocketed in recent years.
Such a law would not be considered 5 years ago. It wouldn't have been a dream law.
But the UK has had a considerable number of "refugees' from various countries - not to mention previous "refugees" that settled there (predominantly on welfare) & their offspring - who still have little respect for the British lifestyle or British people. Go to cities like London in certain areas and you are smarter to shoot yourself in the head than walk down the street after dark as a white person (as a woman or a man).
That is why such a law came to be. The number of women being approached sexually by "refugees" and other unsavory (typically non-British) people on the streets in the UK has skyrocketed recently
And by sexually I don't mean asking for a date. I mean exposing yourself, groping them, etc.
As for walking behind a woman - the statistics of rape have increased in the UK & a large number of cases that happen are due to a woman being followed by a non-British loser who attacks & rapes her.
Oh, well that's interesting. Very interesting. And completely changes my view on that to a certain degree.
The law may have come about because of those things, while understandable, it still reads as a bandaid for a bullet wound. If there is a deeper, more pernicious issue at play here, wouldn't it then be a better idea to look at the immigration, refugee issue first, if it is the source or catalyst? Are those refugee issues being addressed?
@Nomina or allow everyone guns. Then every time a criminal acts they are playing Russian roulette the victim will shoot them dead.
"wouldn't it then be a better idea to look at the immigration, refugee issue first, if it is the source or catalyst? Are those refugee issues being addressed?"
@nomina They can't do that. That would be "racist."
Prolly good overall. I don't think anyone would press charges for someone who just wanted to say hi. All you have to do is say sorry and walk away if someone does get scared or uncomfortable by you. As long as you do normal shit, not actual creepy shit like cornering women or following them around or asking her personal info randomly. I've accidentally scared women on the street or on a bus before it's not that big of a deal if you just apologize and stop. Although I am young and short and white. So people don't as much see me as a threat to women compared to some other guys, even though I am likely worse than average..
The trouble is there are a lot of crazy women out there and you can never know whom your talking to before you talk to them. So this will scare away good men regardless.
@monorprise I have encountered a few crazy women and crazy boyfriends of normal women lol. In spaces like that tho, it's public, there are a bunch of people who can see if she starts acting crazy. And what are the odds all of them are crazy too? Yeah it could happen. If you don't wanna risk it that's cool. Women do need to start taking the initiative more but they're getting there so it won't take too long I bet. As long as good men are still in public and in social settings, they'll prolly get approached evertually.
Would you go thou the trouble of taking down names of everyone around as witnesses just to talk to a girl?
Its hard enough already knowing there is a very high chance she will reject and/or humiliate you.
A lot of modern women are often cruel creatures who seen average guys as invisabily below them unworthy of even speaking to them. It is those women who may see any such effort as scary and threatening, and there is little to nothing you can do about it.
@monorprise then yeah just don't approach. Figure out an indirect way to get someone's attention like a lot of women do, or wait for a woman to approach you. Personally I don't approach strangers on buses for a date anyway, i just say I like their shoes or i take the seat next to them or something. I've only asked women out at the gym or school or places like that where I kinda already know them and that they seem cool.
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Im fairly certainty that can get you into trouble as well with quite a few women. Regardless not every town has buses or such opportunities.
@monorprise hence the, already kinda know them part. I've never asked out a total stranger. If I don't know them I don't talk to them like that. Just talk to them like to anyone else, u sit next to anyone on the bus. Or walk by anyone on the sidewalk. Or grocery store. Whatever. This has never been such a big deal you're making it seem like you only ever talk to men in everyday life and only see women occasionally in the wild and they're like, skittish like deer or something easy to scare. I understand a lot places aren't good for picking up dates and making conversation with strangers at a public place is always a gamble, but fuck man you know how to say like "have a nice day"? Normal shit. Every day shit. Ain't nobody being charged for that.
Women are everywhere! You can't avoid them. And one of them will talk to you eventually. And then you know her a little bit. And if she seems cool, and you wanna ask her out, do it after that when you have reason to believe she won't think you're trying to assault her. Or don't, and maybe she will ask you out once she thinks you're not gonna assault her. Or maybe she ask to be friends and opportunity to expand ur circle. Or maybe u just know a woman in life now and you can say hi when you see her around.
I don't fucking know what to tell you at this point maybe you live in a different country where women aren't allowed to talk to men or something. Maybe you're an introvert and don't talk to anyone in everyday life I don't know. Whatever good luck with that. We're obviously not in the same situation if this doesn't make sense and I can't help you cuz I don't know what's even wrong.
@snackthatsmilesback So basically your coming down to don't talk to women on the street which is effectively made legally perilously by said act.
The only way for men to meet girls now is in a common setting assuming you have one, which frankly is increasingly not the case for each newer generation. Particularly in single sex dominated professions.
@monorprise don't flirt* with women on the streets. Talking is still fine that was never even a question. And flirting is fine if you already talked with them before so you aren't strangers. But yeah, that's also the case in common settings. The reason that's safer is because you will already kinda know them from being around each other in the common setting, and you won't be total strangers. It's still generally no good to flirt with strangers. 🐪🦒
The article says, "Catcalling, following someone and blocking their path will be criminalised in England.
The backbencher's bill aims to criminalise:
Deliberately walking closely behind someone as they walk home at night
Making obscene or aggressive comments towards a person
Making obscene or offensive gestures towards a person
Obstructing a person's path
Driving or riding a vehicle slowly near to a person making a journey".
I don't see where it says approaching a woman on the street will be an offence.
I can't (won't) opine on the merits of this but it sounds first like a solution searching for a problem; it sounds like MPs who don't have enough to do; and it sounds like an enforcement nightmare to say nothing of clogging up the dock with frivolous cases.
The fact that you feel the need to lie about what's actually being criminalized in the bill in order to get people to think it's crazy just proves that you know it's actually a decent bill. The article you linked clearly states what is being criminalized:
And you are just outright lying to make it sound like no one is allowed to approach a woman or happen to be walking behind her. I have to believe you're a guy pretending to be a woman.
How is this law helpful?
Not judging about it but that surely could lead to rise of prison inmates in the UK. But besides I am a guy and I avoid many small streets where there is no light as well at night.
When do people realise that guys, too avoid being at night in risky places? It´s not that only rapists are at night that have bad stuff in mind.
It will probably also lead to dating moving totally online. But that´s happening anyways.
I thought it was already a crime in the UK. Let the feminist further push men away while the "foreign guests" (being PC here) continue to do as they like.
The more women push men to be more like women, the more women will be disgusted by men.
Do they not already have laws in England to protect women on the street from getting harrassed, raped, and molested? Seems to me like they don't have enough cops patrolling the streets. Perhaps it's a policing problem. If so, then another law that won't be enforced isn't gonna solve anything. And the odd time it is you'll end up with men in jail that shouldn't be there. Catcalling is not worthy of jail time.
Oh this will go well, It is going to devolve into 'She said - He said' as there will be no proof physical proof that any 'offence' has been committed, but if police are called to any 'offence' undoubtedly they will arrest the man under the logic of the 'Duluth Model' model training they have been inculcated with that insists that men are always the 'aggressor' and women must always be believed even with evidence to the contrary. If this becomes Law, I can see a rocket in the sales of body cams, and men avoiding women where at all possible, sitting as far away from them as possible on public transport, no more offers of help, holding of doors, the list is endless.
Bad. Rather than dealing with the specific problem cultures or individuals, they address behavior. And they aren't even thinking about how to train good behavior.
I see same patterns of thinking in my country. Unbelievably stupid... it's fear of reprisal..
First, this proposed law is not at all what you have characterized it to be! The law would criminalize blocking a woman’s path and not letting her pass, catcalling, and deliberately following a woman home, NOT walking behind her! If you believe that makes it illegal to politely ask a woman out, you are VERY paranoid!
that being said, I doubt the implementation of the law will go as planned! Regulating human behavior never works out well!
Read my comment on this question, someone has summoned you, don't look at me, I'm just the messenger
London isn't majority white now. Muslims are 70 times more likely to commit a rape. Poppy this is the Multiculturalism you have been defending and these types of measures now need to be considered when rape cultures are introduced to a previously more functional society. Now that England is so brown do you have any suggestions on how to reverse something like this?
I oppose any law that genders criminal offenses. This is creating a second class citizen, a man must mot speak inless spiken to, must not follow behind a woman.
So by this law a man may not walk on a crowded street, may not interact with a woman for any reason and has no recourse if he is the victim of an unwanted sexual advance.
This can also be used as leverage, threat of jail time if he doesn't... pay for her coffee, or worse.
I’m pretty sure they’re not going to make approaching women a crime, walking behind a woman a crime also that’s just pathetic.
Say she’s in front and he’s behind her, there’s a river one side and a road the other what’s he going to do? Jump in the river or jump in front of a bus? People take everything out of context nowadays and twist it all about.
Meanwhile, the cops don't do shit about the 12 year old Romanians you're smuggling into the country. I wonder if there's a connection there. Maybe if British women weren't such prudes, the guys wouldn't need to train adolescent sex slaves.
So the guy who came up to nab a chip of me will get arrested next year for doing it? Thanks for knocking any chances of boosting my confidence. There should be a line drawn across
Women can also do this to men
Talk about a slippery slope if ever there was one. I'm fairly sure there are already harassment laws in place that weren't being enforced, or were difficult to enforce. How is this going to change anything?
What the fuck? So I won't even be able to ask for directions? Surely it's only if she presses charges. What if we happened to going to the same place? England has gone completely mad! I'm glad they're out of the World Cup. It's the MUSLIMS that harass women, so why don't they just make Muslims illegal instead of punishing innocent men? Guess I won't be visiting anymore
And I thought America was bad. But, England too? 😱 This is getting out of hand. I get you want to be safe while on the streets but this is ridiculous. The world is actually trying to get men and women to not socialize (not in the creepy sense, of course). To be honest, I don’t even like my own gender.
I see the post for the tongue-in-cheek I think it’s meant to be.
I don’t understand why you changed the words in the article when it clearly says harassment, following or blocking their way lmao that’s so very different from walking behind someone. Its a great law i wish other countries would implement. Saying good morning is one thing, and saying good morning as you ask for her number and follow her down the street is another🤷♀️
Well, what could possibly go wrong. Yes that is sarcasm. There are too many stuck up wanna be supermodels with an overinflated ego as it is. The irony is that they usually complain that no one will date them, but in reality their noses are so far in the air they couldn't see that they are being stuck up anyway. Good for England, the land of the immensely brain dead.
This law is going to target young skinny white guys only, the uk has always been a shithole and America and Canada are gonna be worse. This shit makes me want to move to upper Egypt, find a some single fat and tall middle age coptic or ethiopian lady, marry her, and fuck her while smoking Egyptian hash. Fuck the west its a pussy worshipping culture in the worst way possible.
Men who approach women and don't take no for an answer is bad and should be dealt with. Making it illegal for the good guys to come say hello or good morning? Now that would be criminal.
That sounds like the kind of law they would pass in England. They have no concept of liberty. But, of course such a law wouldn't apply to aristocrats or the wealthy.
It's pretty weird to write one thing in your description then post an article that doesn't say anything about what you said. Catcalling and following women will be criminalised. As they should.
Is it not already illegal to publicly harass people?
"We are going to have a jail full of guys who just said good morning" can women not already lie and claim that a man was harassing her?
I don't get it.
both its good for the females that don't wanna be approaches and bad for the men who have interest oij a woman but with pure intentiosns.
I sure the law will contain an exception if the harasser is an "Asian" male and the victims is a minor.
Why don't guys stick up for their rights? They just bury their screams into the pillow as they are abused.
I'm sorry, but exactly which rights are being taken away from men here?
That's not as bad as it sounds - I can still approach from the walkway, climb a lamp post, or from behind a bush :D
... I simply need to stay away from the street.
It was only a matter of time. Somehow there will still be “why doesn’t he just ask me out?” questions every four posts on this site. Ell oh ell!
It really sounds like a bad idea. Let's not do anything more to kill the relationship between men and women, just because sometimes men do weird shit.
Next step, women should wear headscarves. Women shouldn’t go out without male companion.
How about deal with the assholes preying in women harshly and severely.
I think you're possibly mischaracterising the bill. My understanding is that it's aimed a stopping harassment, not normal social discourse. But I do foresee problems with enforcement and misapplication. We shall see.
Lol approaching it saying good morning will never be an offense it’s very clear.
This inaccurate and misinformation, I would probably research it abit more
How to destroy thr very fabric of society and dating for 200 Alex
Lol just another reason why a lot of men are refusing to help women these days. So when she’s getting mugged or raped they’re just going to keep walking or record it. Oh well
how about women approaching men? will that be criminalized too?
Bad idea, this will aggravate the gender war even further and men will avoid talking and interaction eith women totally. See the birthrate drop and bitter lonely singles rising
Excellent idea.
Brits should get extinct for the sake of humanity indeed.
For fucks sake! I'm thinking Guido Fawkes had the right idea, just the wrong century
It deonponds is can be pro for women that are not ibt interested in getting approching. Is also can be cons with some guys.
Worst idea in history. They might as well just say only girls can pick and choose which guy they want. Guys get no say and just pigs for slaughter
It's almost that way in USA. Unfortunately men caused their own misery the way women have been stalked, followed and harassed.
Whoever came up with this law is a bag of bollocks.
That's really good idea this should of been implemented 50 years ago
It's probably not a Good Idea unless a guy won't take no for an answer. I wouldn't mind seeing those guys in jail.
That pic of touching people, uh yeah. But talking no. Harassment is like porn, the situation is immediately recognizable but harder to describe.
This is a perfect example of why women don't find real men anymore
I am not bothered at all. I already follow this rule anyway.
Lol you live in China now and you thought your country was better hahahaha!!!
It's all about population control. They want to control the world.
England is a extremely stupid country literally filled with a bunch of idiots. Unbelievable.
At this point men shouldn't even try to talk to women anymore. Too much risk and false allegations will increase more and more
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