Have you personally been traumatized by years and years of mistreatment by men? If not, then I don't understand the connection here.
Some other users have already given you good answers (blue anon 45 who started with "You're mistaken" is spot on, and LazerBean summarized the reality of the issue very well).
Any adult, male or female, who feels the need to proclaim they are "a strong and independent" person has issues that makes them unappealing to normal people. Being independent is essentially just being a normal adult, and feeling the need to tell everyone you can tie your own shoes and wipe your own ass just screams "I am a very insecure person". It's akin to a teenager saying "I don't need a parent because I know everything".
Women who say "I am a strong and independent woman" tend to be very insecure and have a chip on their shoulder, which is a bad combination and a clear indication they won't make a good partner for a good man. It's as if they walk around with a neon sign hovering over their heads that reads "I don't need a man". And that's fine, but the reality is that needing each other is what a healthy romantic relationship is based on. Perhaps you don't need love, companionship, emotional support and someone to have your back, but I do, as do most other normal human beings. Men want to feel needed just like women do, and saying you don't need a man is like telling us right up front that a healthy relationship with you is not an option, so we will look elsewhere.
Ugh, this question again! It's honestly surprising to me that some women still don't understand this in 2023.
Ok, what exactly is an "independent woman"? A woman who has a job can buy her own food and clothes? Sounds like a normal adult, doesn't it?
Why would someone say "look at me, I can be an adult and take care of myself"? How would you feel about a man who did that? Would that feel pretty weird? Would it make you wonder about how mature he actually is and why he was compelled to say such a thing?
The reality is that most people understand all of that, but some women still want to say it out loud to send a message about how they feel about men and relationships. THOSE women are unappealing to most men, and I don't think it's any mystery why that is.
I think normal, mature adults understand why that's a red flag. What part of that do you still not understand?
It is not accurate to say that a lot of men dislike modern independent women. Some individuals may have personal biases or preferences that lead them to dislike certain characteristics, but this is not representative of all men. Additionally, independence is a positive trait that should be celebrated and valued regardless of gender.
It's not that they dislike a woman having basic adult capabilities, it's more that the women who scream that they are "strong independent women" tend to be whiney, annoying, and actually less strong and capable compared to the average woman.
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Because far too many of them think being aggressive, rude or generally unpleasant makes them "strong". It makes you insufferable and that's not strength. They dislike this "strength" because they would rather avoid it in light of better options.
Per the update: Even if all that is true, it's still a Freudian excuse. You shouldn't get a free pass because your [intert male here] was a dickhead. Your actions are yours, and yours alone, to control. Women don't take excuses like that from men so why should we take that from you?
As a man I’m going to say this.
I’d prefer women be independent. Get your own damn groceries. Get a job and pay taxes. Fix your own shit. Continue being a functioning member of society because nobody cares.
The only contradiction to this is in a relationship. This isn’t because we prefer total subservience in our tyrannical reign over your life or anything to that effect it’s just in a relationship both sides should rely on and support each other. It’s called being co dependency or being equals.
I'm attracted to women who are confident in themselves and are independent thinkers, but are still nurturing and feminine and appreciate the value a man brings to a relationship.
I don't like the militant ones who claim to be "strong and independent" and yet spend all their time whining about everyone and everything, and having a hissy when other people use THEIR independence to voice disagreements.
I trust that I've made clear the difference between these two types of women. One is ACTUALLY independent, the other is just a narcissist hiding behind the IDEA of a "strong independent woman".
I like it and prefer it. I like a woman who can stand on her own two feet, it is an attractive quality. I am not into the whole controlling the relationship deal.
I like that we can be apart sometimes and enjoy doing our own thing and we don't always have to be together. It is that much more satisfying when I do finally see her.
Honestly depends on what someone means by independent.
Independent as in you have your own life, hobbies, and job - most men like that. It's a sign that she has something going on in her life that doesn't require spending all of her time with him. He'll often do his own thing, too.
Independent as in" who don't need no man" or "If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best". Hell, no. That is someone that most men would avoid. They will most likely argue with you all the time and make you feel like garbage.
You're mistaken. The only thing men are confused about is thier role anymore. You want to be independent, but not alone. You want him to lead, but you want to be and equal, you want to make your own money, but you want to be taken care of (or feel taken care of). You want to make as much as him (income) but you want him to prove his worth by making more than him, while simultaneously competing for said livelihood.
And before you get mad at what I just posted. 1. You asked. 2. I personally am not confused about any of this stuff. I'm just answering for men as a whole. For generations men have had clear roles. Social change is rapidly redefining those roles. And it causing just as much confusion among women as I have highlighted. You have some women who want to be near completely independent. And you have some women who want traditional roles and to be completely taken care of. And everything in between.
Eh, it entirely depends on what version of it the girl is doing. If she 's doing the version where she's literally acting like a man, men don't like it because we aren't gay. Of we wanted masculinity, we'd date men. But we want femininity, and yes, there are plenty of modern independent women who are extremely feminine, so that in and of itself isn't the problem. It's the approach.
The ones who dislike it, are the ones who are too lazy for a modern relationship and pine for the days where a guy could do a stupid job for 8 hours, and do jack shit for the rest of the day and get laid at night, whilst we do everything all damn day and despite our exhaustion and stress still end up fucking him without ourselves having an orgasm
Because it's stupid. If they are so modern and independent why do they still need us for everything? Why can't we just fuck them and not call them again and that be sufficient? Are they children that need to be coddled?
It's a catch 22. If you're modern and independent then relationships make no sense, the point of a relationship is to depend on another. Yet these independent women get all upset if we treat them like oh pay your own bill, oh home intruder? You're not my girl I'm out the window figure it yourself. The second we ACTUALLY treat them as independent capable on their own adults they have a shit fit.
We're perfectly fine just having casual sex and then leave us alone. Goodbye.
If you want a relationship that shit needs to make sense. So you need to offer something besides a vagina and a job.
I'd assume some of it comes from the fact that there are complaints if inequality which is a lot better and yet. Men are still expected to approach you to ask you out. Still expected to pay. There are still issues in gender equality and it's on both sides.
There is nothing wrong with a modern independent woman. But that doesn't mean they are disliked. It's annoying if they go on about it. And a fair few are to independent andnjudy aren't good at being in a relationship. But this is also the case for men.
I do not think it is so much that men dislike "independent" women (whatever that means) as that they find this feminism syndrome unattractive and associate it with a woman who has some kind of stick up her ass about proving something. It's sort of like they want to be hated by men so they can feel like victims and they go around with an attitude. That's just unattractive.
There are a lot of pick me girls.
If there are antifeminist women who act like conformity makes them better, there are also misandrists who hide behind independent girl symbol.
So it's important to define what independence means to you.
You know how women hate it when guys rumble about high value men and " chase money first then women will chase after you " stuff... Well, the " strong independent woman " is like the female equivalent of it... It's like a female incel lol...
because they associate "independent" as "I hate men"
One thing that I've noticed they all have in common, is a faux feeling of superiority. They (falsely) believe that they're somehow special, that their lives actually aren't the complete failures they really are, and their hatred, paranoid delusions, and low intelligence are always on full display for all to see whenever they type anything at all online.
you mean guys on here? yea cause there's so many incels. most guys on this site don't represent the average guy. for guys irl unless you're that feminazi girlboss cunt no one cares. most guys think the tradwife thing is lame as shit and would think you're weird if you wanted that unless they're from like india or something
I personally am okay with it. The only things I dislike is the cocky attitude that comes with it, and the pretty high frequency Onlyfans is involved
Because if you have to continually scream from the rooftops about being strong and independent, then you're probably not strong and independent. It's like a guy saying he has a big cock. If he has to say it, chances are it isn't true. And being strong and independent is just what normal adults do. Listening to women boast about this miniscule accomplishment is fucking annoying to men, and I would imagine some women too.
women are warning men when they stand up and say thins that "I am not going to be in the kitchen" I am going to be working a job and this will be a partnership. They say this because men still want women in the kitchen, doing laundry, raising kids etc.
Men don't dislike independent women. They dislike women who boast about being an independent woman. Those women tend to have personality problems and don't know how to treat a man.
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