Should this man really get 25 years for having an illegal gun?

[lightbulb27]

https://nypost.com/2023/06/05/man-65-who-fatally-shot-nyc-mugger-posted-bail-will-face-grand-jury/

NYC is insane to me. This man works all his life, in a deli, has not threatened anyone. However, he was concerned about crime and when attacked one night... shoots the assailant... legally.

But they want to put him in jail for 25 years for having an illegal gun (s)?

[Lliam]

Fuck NYC and anyone who supports such unconstitutional laws.

Criminal possession of a firearm in the first degree? How can possession of a firearm be illegal if you aren't a felon and don't even have a criminal record?

"The right of The People to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed" is the law of the land, including the commie enclave of NYC. The constitution pertains to the entire nation.

NYC is governed by seditionists and traitors who should, themselves, be sentenced by the courts to death by firing squad.

[lightbulb27]

Agree with that. These people are nuts... and to put him through hell for it.

[ObscuredBeyond]

That's too nice. They need to burn at the stake!

[Juxtapose]

@OddBeMe @goaded

Take a look at this original post, that's what a real American thinks.

[exitseven]

In New York City we already had a store keeper that stabbed a robber to death charged with murder until the public outcry got too great, a Marine Corps veteran that killed somebody in the subway while he was threatening other passengers, and noemw we have this guy. In another state all these guys would be getting medals. No wonder people are leaving New York in droves. Over half a million people have fled the state since Biden became president. It looks like they will be replaced with illegal aliens. Good luck with that.

[lightbulb27]

that is correct. smart people with $ are leaving, others are funneling in. how will the bills get paid. Answer = bailout.

[exitseven]

Trump will tell then to pound sand. They will be selling city and state owned property to pay the bills. Imagine a for profit transit system?

[lightbulb27]

true, but I suspect democrats reign, at minimum for next year. they already went to dc to get more funds, that's a bailout in essence but I'd think it gets worse if they are unable to get those buildings making $.

[exitseven]

I think Abbot and DeSantis are doing the right thing. Ship them all to NYC by the busloads. I already talked to Gov Abbott and told him i would be glad to drive a busload up here if the needed an additional driver. Mayor Adams wants to pay people a stipend to put them up in their homes because the towns surrounding NYC are rejecting them and sending them back. It is easy to be a sanctuary city when you are 2000 miles away from the border but when it ends up on your doorstep it is another matter unless you are Mathas Vineyard and get get the national guard to get rid if them for you. Thet was another classic move by DeSantis

[lightbulb27]

100% agree, I support what they are doing. What's amazing... they won't give up "sanctuary city status". There is something magical.. e. g. under the table money... about that status...

[OlderAndWiser]

NYC = sanctuary city for idiots and lunatics!

[LiamJHayden]

The right to keep and bear arms predates the Constitution, in fact to the Glorious Revolution's 1689 Bill of Rights, if not earlier. It is part of what Blackstone called the "natural right of resistance and self-preservation" against tyranny and criminals.

The Founders fully understood this, which is why they spoke of the "right of the people" in 2A. The right existed before the Constitution and is not contingent upon the positive restatement. In fact, at its core all legitimate government is based upon a collective defense of those same people.

That is long way of saying, New York is a Dumpster fire of stupidity.

[Lliam]

I agree.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

The Bill of Rights merely lists a few of the self-evident, unalienable rights that the government is barred from infringing upon.

[lightbulb27]

I agree with that. Gotta wonder though... this is what happens to "cities" to some extent. Be it Paris (France in general), there is a drive to outsource security interests due to the increased social risks of armed citizens. I don't think the cities intent is malicious control [it could be], but more self preservation due to so many people in close proximity.
It's a conflict. The founding fathers knew this... and still wrote what they wrote.

[Leapfrog00]

The government sucks ass! They care about no one, and the fact of the matter is dangerous criminals get low sentences or released for "Good behavior" but people who hardly commit any crimes and protect themselves like that get a hard sentence slammed on them.

The nation is slowly falling apart. One day it's going to be so bad, American citizens are going to have to file for a permit just to walk down the street. Licensees are just a way for the government to make more money. In my country, you need a license to own a dog, and if you are caught without, you get fined $1,000. And they wonder why there are so many stray animals. The government don't care though!

[BoopBoopBeep]

He did the right thing, but I have a hard time mustering sympathy for anyone that stays in that tepid shite bucket after all this time. SHOULD he be able to live there? Sure. SHOULD I be able to walk through the bronx at 3 am fanning myself with 100 dollar bills so I don't overheat? Sure, I SHOULD, but I CAN'T, because that's not the world we live in. Haven't stepped foot there in over a decade. No desire to ever go back.

[Avicenna]

This is what political persecution looks like. Anyone still living in a place like that is risking their life and freedom.

[WalnutButter]

I just blame the voters. They are afraid to ride the subway, but still vote for liberal idiots.

[goaded]

He didn't shoot the man "legally", he's just not being charged with the shooting.

He had “approximately 26 firearms, including pistols, shotguns, rifles, an AK 47, two body armor vests and multiple rounds of ammunition”, which is illegal in NYC.

The crime could be UP TO 25 years. He certainly won't get that.

Where did the invite from @Juxtapose go?

[Juxtapose]

It is under Lliam's comment thread.

[goaded]

He's someone who has blocked me so I couldn't see it, even if I wanted to. The radical reading of the second amendment (that it means everybody should be allowed to carry firearms everywhere at any time) is a recent phenomenon, and places that encourage it tend to have higher murder rates.

The NRA decided to go to crazy town just after Columbine.

https://youtu.be/n-m7NkBEFnY

[Juxtapose]

Well then I will show you what he said because I agree with it completely.

"Fuck NYC and anyone who supports such unconstitutional laws.

Criminal possession of a firearm in the first degree? How can possession of a firearm be illegal if you aren't a felon and don't even have a criminal record?

"The right of The People to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed" is the law of the land, including the commie enclave of NYC. The constitution pertains to the entire nation.

NYC is governed by seditionists and traitors who should, themselves, be sentenced by the courts to death by firing squad."

[goaded]

@Juxtapose Oh, look, you want to shoot people who disagree with you. Again.

[Juxtapose]

When somebody is trying to disarm you they are preparing to kill you.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose Violent, and paranoid, too.

[Juxtapose]

Yet again, I'm going to show you the same image I've shown you before that shows you what happens when you allow your population to be disarmed.

[Juxtapose]

If one of those gestapo wannabe assholes broke into my home? I would kill them graveyard dead or die trying.

If they tried to force me to take a specific medical treatment, I would fight back with lethal force.

The founding fathers revolted for far less.

[Juxtapose]

"Florida sheriff reacts to home invasion vid: ‘If you kick my door in, in the middle of the night, I will kill you graveyard dead’

[Juxtapose]

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[goaded]

@Juxtapose You think the Australian police were going to kill anybody over covid? Did they kill anybody over covid and quarantine laws? No? Amazing!

American police can break into people's homes if they're suspected of breaking the law, can't they? What happens if the people in the house shoot at the police?

Australia's also 113th in the world for covid deaths, less than a quarter per capita deaths of the US, they saved about 60,000 Australian lives in comparison. (USA is #15.)

[Juxtapose]

The cops have to have a warrant to go into your home and there's a special warrant for when they don't even have to knock.

Australia didn't kill the people, they killed their souls by locking them up like animals and taking away all of their freedoms. You can't look at that image and tell me that was right.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose So, no they didn't kill anyone, so your whole claim that " When somebody is trying to disarm you they are preparing to kill you. " is utter bullshit.

I think you'll find most Australians were in favour of ensuring people stuck to the law, especially the tens of thousands of people whose lives it saved.

[Juxtapose]

Ahhhh don't be so quick to assume that they aren't going to do that eventually! It is not other bullshit, just look at how all the communist regimes disarmed the people before killing them!

HAHAHA 🤣 Yeeeaaaah suuure, maybe the ones with a few extra chromosomes or the idiots infected with the woke mind virus.

Anyone who would support those type of restrictions is an absolute retard.

[Juxtapose]

Like, imagine being so cucked you let people dictate what medical treatment you take and also burst into your home without having to show you any credentials or anything 🤣 They just have blanket power to do whatever they want, they can compel you to give away private medical information, they can break into your car, they can move your animals far away from you and tell you to take certain medicines or treatments. They tell you to cut your arm off? Well you better cut your fucking arm off slave!

[Juxtapose]

No, if anybody is trying to come up to me with that stupid shit and dictate my life like that? I'm fighting until my last breath.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose Totally paranoid. Or are you just explaining what you would do, given power?

[Juxtapose]

If I was given power I wouldn't take away guns or any of that unless I wanted to be a dictator.

[worldscolide]

What do you expect, it's from a worthless piece of shit leftist run city. Leftists value criminals over law abiding citizens.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

If the guy had a legal license to carry a gun, was protecting himself as well as others, should not get 25 years in prison, just the way I feel about this situation.

[Unknown29]

Isn’t it funny how NYC gives an man who defends himself 25 years, but violent criminals get bail.

[DextroShade]

The woke democrats are the enemy of civilization; they must be destroyed before they usher in a new dark age.

[Dargil]

He should have moved to Florida, Texas, Montana or Tennessee when he had the chance.

[Bachorellete25]

No I don't agree with that

[OddBeMe]

Dude, he had an arsenal of illegal weapons.

[lightbulb27]

you mean a collection?
Granted, maybe he has a serious problem. Deal with him and his problems (appears he has emotional fear problems) and avoid a greater risk to society. But 28 years, after legit defending himself? cmon... A younger guy whom could physically handle him maybe wouldn't have to shoot. But can'tblame him, 65yrs old... one fall, he's dead. one knife, etc..
We need the church /social workers dispatched around these cities to provide emotional support and help to whomever is ill. to a degree they have that, but not enough.
Dont' ignore the real problem... the guy was mentally hurt due to traumas in life. that's the real problem and solution.

[OddBeMe]

No an arsenal in a state with strict gun laws. That be like me transporting illegal immigrants across the country and then getting arraigned for trafficking.

[OddBeMe]

Will say…Prosecutors have more power than they should have. And like making front page splashes. I doubt this guy will receive less than a few years if not immediate parole.

[lightbulb27]

It seems out of kilter. It's amazing how such state has strict gun laws... when they were a primary state involved in civil war fighting the south. Big cities think different than the country side.
Granted, we don't want arsenals all over NYC, some punishment in order. but gotta respect the issue he faces... he became afraid of the legitimate threat around him. Cannot impede upon his rights and that is what their laws are doing.
There's got to be some sanity here..., hopefully they take the handcuffs off, he gets some help, and they make a rational decision.

[OddBeMe]

He’s not charged with murder. He’s charged with having an illegal arsenal.

[lightbulb27]

true. but 28 years for illegal gun? They are nuts!:)

[OddBeMe]

If I run a stop sign and keep getting ticketed it will add up. But I didn't read the judges ruling.

[Anonymous]

That's what he gets for living in dummycrat stronghold.

[Agape93]

Nope. He did the right thing

[Anonymous]

No but NYU look to make an example out of him.

[jjj101010]

I guess they need to set an example