Apparently, I live in the worst one. And the rest are Republican dominated, too.
Because good for business doesn’t always mean good for the people.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/14/these-are-americas-10-worst-states-to-live-and-work-in.html
But no California? No New York? Michigan?
Yes but I left California for one of those states, like a lot of working and middle class people we fled liberal states and cities to find a higher standard of living. California is the best state to live in but only if you have serious wealth and are already established. Wages are low, rents/mortgages are high, crime is high, taxes are high education standards are low, food is expensive, homelessness is high. Working and middle class people have been pushed put by the wealthy liberal elite.
My parents had to sell up their home that they have lived in for 30 years because some very wealthy elites ten years ago started moving into the area to holiday in during the winter months and local property taxes went up so high that locals can barely pay, they get squeezed out and the wealthy liberal elites buy their homes for a song. Was in Alabama last year with my husband and we ran into a lovely African American couple and they had moved down from detroit with a few of the husband's relatives mother, father, brothers and a cousin to escape detroit and find a better standard of living and are living well.
Unfortunately 🤦♀️
I'm honestly not surprised. I won't name my state for privacy sake, but it's in the top 5.
It's accurate. The only reason I haven't moved is because the cost of living is cheaper here, and my parents are getting older, so I want to be somewhat close to them as need be.
Indeed, I do. I found this quite amusing. My home is in Florida now, having relocated from California. The shift has significantly elevated my quality of life. The topics of inclusivity and reproductive rights being contentious? I personally am not in favor of abortion, and what I've observed is that political engagement here isn't as intense, primarily because our local policies are functioning effectively. The political identity of my neighbors doesn't seem to be distinctly Democrat or Republican, as it was back in California. Evidently, this article appears to be authored by an individual with a distinct bias, including the selection of research variables involved.
Hahaha 1st. Look at rhe source it is CNBC
2nd look at how they rated those state and why the listed them as the worst stated to live in.
3rd. If the rate stathem by high taxes high property taxes, high housing cost, high school taxes, shot roads, taking away constitutional rights, and caring more for illegal immigrants and criminals. Those states would be on the bottom. And states like California, New York, and ever blue state would be there. NYS sucks and is no picnic tust me. I'll be moving to a state on that list that is more conservative in its views.
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SC and Indiana, twofer! And yes, both stink but these are the only states I have family in.
no i don't and thank goodness for it.
They factored in abortion availability but not housing prices? My firearms collection in Texas or Florida would be a conversational piece with the local PD but send me to prison for years in Cali, New York or Illinois. This is nothing more than a partisan political listing that proves the Right and Left increasingly have nothing keeping us together.
@BoopBoopBeep like what? Full auto? Armor peircing rounds? Can’t see yourself giving up those babies huh?
@OddBeMe, Nope, things like pistol braces, pistol grips, 10 round magazines, barrel lengths, shrouds, certain triggers, $2 plastic parts, particular brands or models, etc. Some people got totally screwed in after the ATF changed the definition of Pistols with stabilizing braces into Short Barreled Rifles and required them to be registered. Some blue states pistols are allowed but Short Barrel Rifles are not. Comply with the federal government or the state government? Most ended up taking a loss, if they even knew the ruling even happened. Bare in mind none of these things actually effect crime or criminals, especially since weapon possession charges are the first to go in plea deals, unlike 1st time offenders with no criminal records.
All 7.62NATO are armor piercing when fired from an appropriate barrel. LVL III armor won't stop 7.62nato from a scar-h. level 4 is a different animal obviously. I don't have any full auto because that just strikes me as a waste of ammo. There's a reason the military moved away from full auto for basic infantry after vietnam. I do have some antimaterial though. Quite a bit suppressed too. Don't want to have MORE hearing loss, or frighten the rescue kittens if there's a break in again.
@BoopBoopBeep All right. Seems like it’d be easier if it were more centralized. I remember moving my handicapped brother to another state and the Medicaid red tape was terrible. Took literal years. Just from changing addresses to another state.
@OddBeMe
Yeah here's my problem with the feds being in charge of anything. when something IS f'ed up, it takes forever for it to get addressed because everybody has to have input and every state has their own timeline and give a shite factor. Look at how long it took the obamacare website to get "operational". The government signs a contract with BAE/CACI... I forgot who the major players were on that, and then when something is f'ed can't just tell the programmers "this doesn't work, fix it" because the contract for the work has to go through such an arduous process. Every contracting officer i ever worked with was an alcoholic in training or such a bureaucrat that everyone around them wanted to drink. They were always one small step above HR on the "helpful" scale.
That's also why when you need a specialist in the VA system, or NHS, you very well may die first before you get to them. I can see whatever specialist I want this week or next, because there's nobody in the government involved in that process. The ATF... most arbitrary agency we have. Stocked with people who know nothing about guns. They'll make a determination, then when you show them how it contradicts a prior one, they have to go back and research it, only to take another 12 months to do something you can google in seconds. There is nothing fast or efficient with our federal government. That's why we spent two decades fighting guys that poke goats with sticks.
I live in the worst place imaginable-in the USA, in a place where humans outnumber wildlife... though that will change in a month when I move indefinitely camping up and down the Rockies with my pitbull, gear and all. Indefinitely. It's for my own sanity and peace, yes, but also because I don't want to end up on national tv... the human scum that make up the majority of this country aren't worth going to ADX Florence for, and I LITERALLY CAN NOT STAND human contact anymore in this country. I regularly go 10 days straight without even opening my front door at all. One... more... month left. Then peace.🤗
Probably. I'm in a college town on the Ohio River for this last month.
I spent the last several years in Texas, and yeah, it was a nightmare. I can't believe West Virginia isn't on the list, because it's 50X worse than Texas. At least Texas pays you to put up with their macho bullshit. Just head for the mountains in solitude, or Canada. Then you're safe.
There’s specific metrics. Texas has become the best “business state” at the expense of its poor. We have the highest uninsured % of Americans, lowest quality health and care, mortality rates from disease like coronary shit…
It’s a balance that California is fighting with. Texas doesn’t seem to care.
Yeah, I noticed that there. Blacks and Latinos there HATE Whites... and they're obvious about it, at least they were in Austin and San Antonio. There's a REAL sharp line there between the chosen club-and everyone else. Up North, it's not like that... everyone's equally hopeless and miserable.🙄I grew up in the Bay Area, Little Saigon, and I've never seen anything like this... not even close. Misery, anger, hopelessness, meth and fentanyl everywhere, no jobs AT ALL... an infrastructure that's straight out of the 1870's, etc. Salt Lake City is at least 80 years ahead of this entire half of the U. S., except for the far NE. In every possible way. I used to think it was sad, but so many of these people are like pigs in a trough, making sure all the others stay in the pig pen with them, that I don't feel sorry anymore. They're just self eliminating, making the government's job easy.🤝
I don't live in one of those. I live in one of the worst states according to me and apparently a lot of people judging by the number of people who have moved out. It is funny how Texas, South Carolina, Tennessee and Florida have seen the biggest increase in population while democrat states like California, Oregon. New York, New Jersey and Massachusett are seeing the biggest losses. All those people can;t be wrong. This time next year I plan to join the ranks of the escapees.
Let's avoid "red tape" by not connecting to the rest of the country for electricity in emergencies. Sure that will kill people, but FREEDUMB!
Yep. I'm not surprised either. South Carolina is a horrible state. I'd rather be in New Jersey where I was born.
Yeah it wouldn't be on the list because it's a great state to live in and you actually get paid a decent salary there.
Alaska needed a top slot. Most dangerous state for women sexual abuse cases hands down. Murder cases per 100,000 people ratio.
My guess alaska isn't on the scale because it doesn't have million population in the state. With how few people there is and how evil people can be it should be top 3 very easily.
No but several arw in the list id wxplore moving to.
Tgis is just a breakdown of left vs right politics and says what side cnbc leans to.
there's also a big difference between the cities and countryside…. So this seems … questionable.
Wtf is this list based on? The fact that Illinois is nowhere to be found makes this list something to not be taken seriously. At all.
Hahah facts
@Mallic00 Two more places that should be on the list
@BoopBoopBeep Ah so this is basically just another "Left Bad" circlejerk ok.
@Mallic00 Well, much of that list is right. MO, TN, TX, OK... and... Arkansas... forgot what it is... they are all quite right outside of a few enclaves. Certainly not the same demographics as NYC or LA (Los angeles, not louisiana)
Clearly not based on the tent cities of LA and San Francisco since California don’t even make it on the list.
@DarkWinterNights yeah but if you're thinking of buying a tent and don't know how they'll look set up, pretty much every model is available there. It's like a hands-on demo for R. E. I./Dicks/Sports Authority
@spartan55 Don't let your personal grudges get in the way of objective fact.
One of missouri's health care systems has consistently ranked in the top three, and has been #1 for US News and World Report's most affordable health care in the country, with multiple accolades for cardiac care. Just FYI. "Y" being everyone here who never thought about missouri heathcare
@BoopBoopBeep same for Kentucky and Connecticut. Both conservative somewhat. Funny when they allow Obamacare people are happier…
@OddBeMe Actually healthcare was quite good in missouri before obamacare as well. Now how that affected insurance, I don't know, I'm a fed, our insurance is flat rate regardless of where you live, but we experienced no increase in quality of care after obamacare. if anything it decreased due to lack of availability of doctors to keep up with the influx
@BoopBoopBeep so you have socialized healthcare.. but refuse it others because…. why?
@oddbemehow is mine any more socialized than any other policy? I had better insurance when i worked at starbucks
@BoopBoopBeep yes it’s govt supplied healthcare at a single cost.
I also have high income taxes and "refuse it to others" the best I can. Just because I'm a victim of it doesn't mean i'm wishing it on everyone else
@BoopBoopBeep ehh if we had obama’s public option it may be lower.
Kind of a moot point, I think our population is too sick and too poor for neither free market or socialized healthcare to work effectively. With less kids being born and being productive tax paying members of society, it’s only going to get worse. Hold on to your butts.
The VA healthcare system is what happens when the government provides socialized insurance; it's some of the worst healthcare in the world. As anybody in the military can tell you, active duty is no better.
It MAY be a good idea, but the fact is the government isn't competent enough to pull it off well
@DarkWinterNights ever think that might be why fewer kids are being born?
@BoopBoopBeep VA isn’t great. But Medicare is, and should be the model. Delete the clause “over 65” and we might be better off.
@BoopBoopBeep I’ve read horror stories. It’s funny what congress won't do for veterans. But wait…there was Bernie, that old socialist.
That all depends on their politics. CNBC is a left-wing news outlet. Why the hell as semi who is on the far right I should take them seriously.
I like my very cold weather, so I would not move to one of those days because they’re a hot as hell. I want to move to barro Alaska or gnome Alaska. Because I find it 80 to 90° to be too hot. As terms of politics wise can be Florida or Texas. Alaska is pretty much the same.
Wow a CNBC really has a terrible system of values to rate states by.
Those States are actually the best places to live. They have the best economy, best jobs, and lowest cost of living. They are also some of the fastest growing states in the USA so clearly most American agree as well and vote for them in the only indistinguishable way. What they actually do with their feet.
@oddbeme
Even thou vaguely defined standards which you could make look like almost anything, hardly matter if you throw in and weigh countless other pointless issues such as the ones they actualy list: "2023 Life, Health & Inclusion Score"
Nonsense. CNBC, are you kidding me? Their friteria is clearly skewed because the real test is “the gate test”. Which states are people leaving in droves, California and New York. Where are they going, to Texas, Florida and the south. This is real data as real people made life altering decisions and have had enough with taxes and crime.
Before you ask, here:
www.forbes.com/.../
No I don't live in any of these, but isn't Florida awesome? You can swim at the beach all year round, cool water views and scenery at the side of the road including aligators, awesome nightlife in Miami, beach babes galore, Hulk Hogan lives there, awesome history with the drug cartels etc, scarface was set there, Disney World and the other theme parks. It's Americas playground.
Of course there's the hurricanes and old people too, but I thought it should be top 10 not bottom 10.
What is the best political system according to the CCP? Ohhhh... China!
CNBC is as biased as its insane cousin MSNBC. Otherwise, California, Coastal Oregon and Washington Mass/RI/Connecticut. New\York/New Jersey, Illinois, Minnesota.
I don't know what crqck this person is smoking. Aside from bieng hot in the summer texas is awesome to live and work in. Low taxes and tons of opportunities. Don't go hating just because everyone fled from you blue shithole states like newyork and cancerfornia
Thankfully I don't watch the news or believe half the crap that comes out of their statistical reports.
Most are manipulated though. Regardless of CNBC or Fox News.
@DarkWinterNights and your proof for this? Or is it just a feeling?
@DarkWinterNights them who? There’s no authority in science. Just researchers that can make mistakes and those mistakes are found by their peers.
I'm from Pennsylvania, this is a Moderate Democratic State, we can run into high taxes and bills, more laws that should be passed, and they can tend to argue with the Republicans over things, etc.
I live in Illinois and I can tell you two things: one - my state should be near the top of that list and two: people are leaving here by the droves - most end up in a state from that list.
Interesting that they’re all heavily republican states
Its propaganda from the Left… people are fleeing Cali and NY for Florida and Texas which are on this list.
www.forbes.com/.../
@Jersey2 yeah, which has only to do with cheap housing. Tennessee is experiencing a housing crisis because californians keep moving in to buy more rental properties for cheap to get their own riches as the city of Nashville is, quite literally, running out of room to build apartments and townhouses. It’s creating a massive class difference and I’m sure I don’t need to tell you how bad that can be.
@Jersey2 yes Texas and Fl can offer the best business environment but it looks like this:
www.youtube.com/watch
New York and Illinois should definitely be on this list.
One other thing- someone working for CNBC can can come up with a list using any random criteria, but when you juxtapose that against where people are moving from, you'd get a very different list, one dominated by states run by Democrats.
The list was probably conjured up by some nutty leftists to appeal to leftists like you.
Oh shit sorry man. I'm in the list too but hoping to get out in a few years. Stay safe.
Fuck dude, I knew even before looking at the post picture that Texas would be #1. Democrats are fucking predictable!
What are the metrics for this?
I ask because I have seen studies that equate "happiness" with access to services like healthcare and the like when they really should be looking at an individual's overall life satisfaction.
How does one determine "worse" state to live and work in?
That's totally open for personal interpretation of the individuals that live and work there, not a consensus fact.
I read the whole article. For 1 million that say is the worst state, I can guarantee there will be 1 million people that will say its the best place to live in.
Their BS explanation and opinions don't make it a consensus fact.
The real test is where people are moving listed below which is the opposite of CNBC’s fake news.
www.forbes.com/.../
Stay out of those states and avoid at all cost if possible.
Wow people who think workers' rights is communism get treated like shit by employers, whatever next.
The real test is the “gate test”. Which way are people going and leaving from which in reality is opposite of this CNBC subjective nonsense. Real people are choosing to go to Texas, Florida and the South from NY and California. Here is a Forbes list on actual moving of people which is the ultimate test result. This article is likely to counteract what is actually happening and is more propaganda than fact.
www.forbes.com/.../
This is the biggest bunch of bullshit. California is by far one of the worst
Here is the real data that is the, opposite of the CNBC nonsense. This is where peole are moving to and from, its what you’d expect.
www.forbes.com/.../
From this list point of view yes I do. But I don't see OKLAHOMA as a bad start to live in.
Not me thankfully. How come they all are RED conservative States on the list? I wonder if that has anything to do with it
Lol, ironically these are banned or almost banned abortion states 😂
I'm not surprised about Missouri or Arkansas. Those places are third world hell holes
Thank god, I do not live in any of those ghettos.
I live in Washington. This is obviously politically biased. Texas and Florida are two of the most moved to states. They have great housing prices, unlike New York and Cali.
I don't but several of those states are my neighbor.
I live in Florida and am proud to be a Floridian!
The fact they left out California and every other state hemorrhaging population shows its bullshit.
They left because they were too happy? Nope. Touch grass its gonna be ok.
Yes, I live in Texas. It's not that bad over here
I thought for sure New York would be on that list
I accidentally votes yes but no I don't.
Is CNBC considered a credible information source?
Anybody who left california cries everyday
Proudly.
no I live in the UK
Where's number 10?
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