If the US military re-enacts the draft, will you fight?

[VanillaSalt]

Their talking about re-enacting the draft and extending it to include those beyond the age limit of the current draft. This is not set to include women as of now so it will be a majority men and I’ve heard possibility of the age to be extended into the 40s or 50s.

What will be your response?

Yes

No

[BCA6010]

The short answer to this is no, in large part because it will not ever come to that.

To put this into perspective, it takes 22-23 weeks (not sure if that's including Indoc) to train a US Army infantryman, plus another two weeks if he's a mortarman. That's also excluding MEPS. Sure this could be streamlined a bit, but even back when OSUT was 14 weeks, you still run into the same problem that it simply takes way too long to rely on drafted soldiers to fight a war against a near-peer threat, which for the US invariably means a nuclear power. When you throw nukes into the picture, it all becomes pretty irrelevant anyway.

A much more likely scenario is that the thousands of tanks and planes currently collecting dust would need some rapid TLC to get them ready for use, which would require extending contracts of mechanics already in, and likely recalling the same people from the Inactive Ready Reserves (IRR), which we've done at least twice in my lifetime. At the same time, contractors will put out big hiring drives for qualified veterans not part of the IRR. Why? Because it's a lot quicker, easier, and cheaper to do that than to wait several months for a recruiting drive.

Something that could likely happen though is that the US may adopt something similar to what many European countries have in which young citizens will be required to commit to some form of civil service for a short, predetermined time (6 months to 2 years), which would include military service as an option. I have some issues with how this has been proposed but that would take up way too much space.

[WindAtMyBack]

I don't think there is currently any serious consideration of drafting people. I think they will find some other means to meet the decline in enlistment.

There are two aspects to this. Signing up for the draft, and actually being drafted. I was the last year to sign up for the Vietnam era draft, but they had not actually drafted anyone for a couple of years or so.

For a short while there was no draft at all - no signing up, no nothing. Then they required signing up for the draft, but to this day they have not drafted anyone since the early 70s.

When they went to all volunteer enlistment, they did it by dramatically increasing the pay and benefits. They had to make it enticing enough so that it was a viable option for people compared to their other options. They still need to do the same thing. How they will go about it is a big question, but it's the same principle.

In the past, one big appeal was the education benefits. The US military has some of the biggest and best education in the country - all paid for. Apparently people would rather go into massive debt than join the military. But one way or another, there needs to be an appeal to joining the military.

I don't know if the US has ever drafted during peacetime. I don't think they will start doing so now.

[ShellyB]

I would literally rather go to prison than actually go fight, I mean actual fighting.

However I would be willing to help in other ways if I believed in what we were doing, like if we were defending ourselves and there was a risk we'd lose I would be willing to make bullets or help build airplanes or be a nurse or something like that. I do not think me literally going and fighting anybody is worth it, I would be subtraction by addition in that situation, plus I would be terrified, hence why I say I would actually prefer to go to prison.

[VanillaSalt]

Don’t worry women are free from the draft only men are expected to overlook them feelings you have and die for a cause we don’t always agree with…

[ShellyB]

I don't think there should be a draft at all, if the war is worth fighting, people will volunteer, if it is not worth fighting and nobody volunteers, that answers its own question I think? However if there is a war, I understand there might be a fairness issue about men and women, but there is also the bigger question of, is this worth doing? Sending me to go fight people really is not worth it, I mean, it would actually be beneficial for our enemy if me and a bunch of people like me showed up trying to fight. JMO!

[VanillaSalt]

Even if the war was worth it and I chose to fight… I’m not sure ide be okay seeing a woman blown apart. That shits bad enough for men that usually don’t care for each other in normal society but women are not like that. Most men are taught to protect and value women. Hell that’s part of why societies so fucked up right now.

[Apple1996]

Wouldn't change a thing for my life. My husband is already in the army. I doubt if this included women that they'd force spouses to be dual military.

[madhatters4]

why would they be considering re-instituting the draft?

i don't think it will ever happen but would i fight if they did... hmmmm. i think it would depend on the war. i wouldn't go fight in a vietnam type scenario but would be inclined to fight in a ww2 scenario.

that said i also wouldn't qualify for the draft.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I already did my time. My wife is past her 20 years already and this next command in [Redacted] is going to be the last.

I think they should bring back retirement... serve 20 years, and retire with a monthly check. Stop being so fucking girly or give the girls the draft as well. What kind of man wants to join something where he's going to be 2nd class to any woman at all times? Serve in that, possibly risk your life and then get bossed around by women?

This country hates you unless you're a woman or trans... serve and possibly die for that?

Make America great again first and then maybe I'd talk to someone about it, but until then... fuck this country. Milly should already understand the white male rage. Working black males should have some rage too, because it's only the criminals that get all the worship and favorable judgments to keep them on the streets. This country is sick and woke ideology has made it this way.

[VanillaSalt]

I think the woke ideology is a symptom of lost purpose. Men and women’s roles in society have been strained for a while. Women are trying to be men but this effects whom they see as perspective partners. With so many fewer men that are considered relationship material men are feeling lost without love and purpose distancing themselves from others not seeing reason to come together with others. These “incels” as their called have toppled entire empires in the past. The only reason we don’t have army’s of incels burning the system down because they don’t have anything to lose is they have immersed themselves in porn and video games… It’s starting to not be enough. A war might just be what we need to cull the male population as disgusting as that sounds.

When it comes to the balance between women and mens needs when one side wins something the other side loses. To gain some something you lose something else. For example as women’s opportunities increase their prospects decrease. As men gain more freedom from having to strive to be better they lose purpose.

There’s a great study on this if your interested. Ignore the title it covers some interesting points between relationships and society.

https://youtu.be/feTbGfAKvKg

[Lliam]

That would be a big fuck NO. I ain't going to assist in attacking people in other countries just because Dr. Strangelove psychopaths and war profiteers decide to go on another killing spree.

Instead of attacking countries that aren't attacking us, people who are eligible for the draft should defend this country against encroaching totalitarianism and the enemies within.

“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; ..."

No doubt the globalist eugenicists like Gates, Bloomberg, Schwab, et al are thinking that strong Americans need to be liquidated more quickly in order to minimize resistance to their One World Government/New World Order/Great Reset/UN agenda 2030/50 plans.

[Avicenna]

Most 18-24 year olds aren't qualified for military service under current standards and there is a more stringent medical exam for prior service attempting to get back in at age 40 or over. Does anyone think a country with huge obesity levels is going to be able to get obese people in their 40s and 50s into shape, much less train them to be servicemembers?

I have already served, so even though I'm in good shape, they can kiss my ass if they think I'll get drafted.

[VanillaSalt]

You really think they won’t draft useless cannon fodder?

[Avicenna]

What's the point? It would still cost a lot to induct them and train them. It's not an inexpensive process.

And if they did do that, there would be draft dodging en masse, with sympathy from most of the population.

[VanillaSalt]

One of the main talking points and problems see seem to have in the world and US is population. War seems to me a good way to fix that.

And let me ask. If we have 10,000 and the enemy has a million strong do you think they won’t grab everybody they can ability or otherwise? If Russia forcibly enlists the entirety of their male population do you think we’d be able to get by on just the capable and willing?

[Avicenna]

A million people not properly trained (but armed) can get a lot of their fellow soldiers killed or maybe shoot them when they decide they are not willing to be cannon fodder.

Our way of war is not like the Russians' and we're a very different society.

[Avicenna]

And the world's overpopulation isn't in the West and Russia. Furthermore, it's beyond unethical and criminal to commit mass murder/genocide in the name of population reduction.

[VanillaSalt]

What crime isn’t unethical? I could have a moral debate with you over how right and wrong it’s only a matter of perspective but I doubt your intelligent enough to understand that… don’t feel bad though most people are too stupid to comprehend the idea that right and wrong are perceptions. That’s not an insult to you just an observation.

[Avicenna]

I'd say someone has to be pretty dumb if they think deliberately killing millions to billions of people is anything but "wrong". Or maybe sociopathic. At any rate, you shouldn't be volunteering others to die like that.

[VanillaSalt]

So then what if we weigh two moralities? A very specific example is a country starting. Their only choice is invade a neighbor or starve… who’s in the wrong?

Murder is bad. Woman forced to choose to shoot her husband or her infant child… Is the mother guilty of murder?

Again if your not open enough to see past your bias or intelligent enough to understand what I’m saying this debates useless.

[Apple1996]

They have programs that are basically fat camp before going to basic training. My bro in law went through it last year. I'm assuming they'd be sending the obese men through that 😂

[Avicenna]

@Apple1996: Yeah, and I'll bet that they struggle physically during basic training as well. If someone is out of shape, they are much more likely to get fellow servicemembers killed, especially in combat arms.

@VanillaSalt: Your sophistry is so obviously bad that now you're trying to move goalposts. First of all, today's warfare is not the trench warfare of WWI. And it makes no sense to get our young people killed when we have declining fertility rates. Let's train and educate them instead.

Ironically, the US is being invaded, and deliberately at the behest of the society's political and business elite. But you're not calling for increasing the Border Patrol, and we don't need the human and financial cost of another unnecessary foreign war.

[BeetleBro2000]

I'd enlist before I thought my wife could possibly be drafted. Then she could apply for deferment if it did happen and stay home with the kid. I'm pretty sure I'd pass the requirements, but even if I don't then there's no way my wife would either, and then we're both safe.

I would never fight for this country if I didn't feel it was necessary for my family's safety, and hopefully we will have been able to move away from here before any other big war happens anyway, but still, I'm kinda pissed that she had to sign up for the draft when I'm not even allowed to...

[RealMarek]

Finally, the young white males who made up most of the actual fighting force of the military (as distinct from support/desk roles) have figured out they should stop fighting for anti-white elites. I won’t fight for them either, not that they would want me fighting at my age. I would sooner go to prison than fight this rapacious, greedy elite’s (clear them out!) wars for it. They can send their own sons and themselves if they want their overseas grift operations to keep on going. I’ve been urging the young men of my family to work out a way to escape the West if the elites institute a draft.

[lightbulb27]

Define "who"?

draft for what? were not at war. no, they think that's necessary. you people need to wake up.. especially democrats. ya want to fight russia and china do you? for what reason exactly?

wouldn't shock me if they attempt to dispose of a lot of people via war.

[Miristheiss]

Only if the country is being invaded and attacked.

Not for dumb overseas war to where the country is not under any attack.

I would fight to "PROTECT" my country and home. Hence, if my country isn't being attacked then I won't give my life for it.

[Anonymous]

No. Because modern combat requires few frontline troops and the IS has the largest best trained volunteer force in the world with many well trained vetreans that can be called to serve again. If you are drafted it means you have special skills they need.

[VanillaSalt]

Russia had drafted bodies for the war and are throwing mass numbers unlike modern warfare strategies. I cannot see the US not trying to meet Russia body for body even with a technological advantage.

[VanillaSalt]

Also there’s so much land to cover in Russia. Harsh cold wasteland. It wouldn’t be easy to take.

[Opinion Owner]

NATO outnumbers Russia 10-1. Russia is conscription manpower because they lost a lot of their best troops and equipment and are trying to compensate for that. 10 conscripts is worth 1 trained soldier.
The US military took apart the iraqi military twice. It was a well trained force made up of vetrean conscripts, regulars and the Republic guard armed and trained in the Russian fashion, huge military. Iraq is a boiling hot desert, shouldn't have been easy to take. Guarantee you that most Russian conscripts aren't trained to survive in the harsh Russian winter and would freeze to death and Russian units would get lost like in Ukraine

[VanillaSalt]

Depends on the season and time of day. Deserve are freezing at night and boiling during the day.

[Opinion Owner]

Will give you an example. The iraqi army conscripts got lost in their own country. They a desert people lacked desert training
Russia had some of the best proffessional troops in the world. The needed to conscript troops a year or two ago so that they would have that core of experienced men to lead and train these conscripts.

[exitseven]

The deal is that I will go if they leave my son's out of it.

[VanillaSalt]

Respect. I don’t believe there is an option to draft dodge by paying a fee. Can’t remember if that was ww2 or if it was even the US or UK but a $300 fee was used to avoid going and someone signed up in your place though usually it was the sons too young for the draft that signed up for their family.

[exitseven]

That's the deal, take it or leave it. Otherwise we all move to Bermuda

[VanillaSalt]

Yeah okay Oprah lol.

[exitseven]

I am serious. I will gladly fight in any civil war that may happen so that we can preserve our democracy but I will not let the government force my kids to fight in a corrupt war that Buden has bumbled us into

[VanillaSalt]

I’m serious too… can you ever have imagined this country like it is today. We have rape in broad daylight, crimes go unpunished, the people OUR people are okay with much of what’s happening. Epstein’s book never being released, the police actively infringing upon the public’s rights at large and being supported by the system meanwhile the cop that is only doing his job gets prison time, the son of the president being offered such a deal that gets him out of multiple felonies like tax evasion, trafficking, breaking gun laws… we overlook these things and don’t even talk about them today yet your going to stand up and leave this place your so comfortable in?

I’ll tell you what you’ll do. You’ll bitch on here then you’ll get drafted anyway. You’ll fight and make the best out of a shitty situation. How many people threatened to leave this country when Trump took office… yet none of them left and the ones that did came back. This is what we are. Pathetic if you ask me.

[exitseven]

No, I will not let my kids get blown up for a crooked government.

[Dargil]

I think out military is corrupt top to bottom. They are obsessed with LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ123456789@#$%&. I would avoid it as best I could. We could not win WW2 with our readiness.

[VanillaSalt]

Ww3… that being said we’d win. Unless it was Russia and China vs USA alone then maybe we’d lose… maybe. We’d also have NATO though and we have a HUGE advantage over every other country where resources and technology is concerned even though the stockpiles are down.

[DextroShade]

If my own country gets invaded I will fight, but I'm not throwing my life away for someone else's country. These globohomo assholes can fight their own wars!

[John_Doesnt]

For what war? Probably some blood for Oil BS. The US has never officially declared war since WW2, everything else has been some GOP agenda to make money and stomp on third world countries.

[Stacey55666]

The president can't declare war. Hillary voted for the Afghanistan war.

[John_Doesnt]

@Stacey55666 the president can declare a conflict and Bush started the war in Iraq.

[Stacey55666]

And the Dems voted for it. They wanted it. Or more accurately, the "establishment" wanted it, and most of the politicians are pathetic pawns. That's why the media is being paid to hate Trump. Do you really think that Rachel Maddow wants a war with Russia or China? No, she just likes that she's the highest paid talking head on MSNBC. She sold her soul to the devil.

[John_Doesnt]

@Stacey55666 and then Donald lost the 2020 election and now every GOP cries an election is stolen every time they don't win

[Stacey55666]

Wait, what? You went from the draft to elections being stolen? Have you been dipping into Hunter's private stash? Did you forget when Hillary said the election was stolen from her? C'mon, man, up your game or go home.

[VanillaSalt]

Remember Hillary and that governor from Michigan I think did the same. The democrats are talking about republicans interfering in elections right now.

This shit never would have happened if DEMOCRATS didn’t change as many voting policies as possible months before the election.

[John_Doesnt]

@Stacey55666 you brought up Hilary for no reason. Now I'm bringing up your stupid Orange Tyrrant.

[John_Doesnt]

but what about her emails!

[Stacey55666]

No reason? LMAO

How is Trump a Tyrant? Are you OK to debate?

[John_Doesnt]

@Stacey55666 you brought up Hilary for no reason, she's not even president. Are you okay to debate or will you keep bringing up people that are irrelevant?

[VanillaSalt]

Make this debate in good faith and I’ll MHO this post lol mean no name calling or bullshit.

[John_Doesnt]

I never made any mention of Hilary or the war in Afghanistan. She brought it up and would probably bring up "but her emails" and Hunter's laptop too. There is no debate. My original comment was about how war has never been declared by the US since WW2 and that is a historical fact that is not up for debate. The US needs approval by congress to declare war and that has never happened since WW2. Every "war" since then has been a conflict incited by the president. And every single one of these conflicts has been started by a Republican. No Democrat president has ever started a conflict since WW2. These are facts and not something up for debate.

[VanillaSalt]

The “war on terror” targeted Iraq primarily. The “war on drugs” targeted Mexico primarily. Ide argue your wrong on that.

[John_Doesnt]

The war on drugs was started by Nixon, a Republican. And it was not an actual war, so I don't even know what you think you're arguing about. You don't even seem to understand what's going on. I pointed out that the US needs the approval of congress to declare war and all conflicts since WW2 are just "conflicts" started by the president and not official wars. This is not up for debate and a fact.

[VanillaSalt]

You said we haven’t declared war since ww2 and I’m proving you wrong… now you’re wasting time on my question.

[John_Doesnt]

I just explained it: it is not war, it is a conflict. Calling something a war does not make it a war. People have declared war on cancer. Are you being purposefully dense or do you speak English as a second language? The "war" on drugs was not an actual war against anybody or any nation, it was a phrase used by Nixon to convince voters he was serious about getting rid of drugs.

[Stacey55666]

@John_Doesnt
I brought up Hillary to point out that the senseless wars were bipartisan. I thought that was obvious, but I guess not on this site.

[John_Doesnt]

@Stacey55666 you brought up Hilary out of nowhere.

[Stacey55666]

She wanted the war as much as Bush. You hate Bush, but love Hillary.

[John_Doesnt]

@Stacey55666 you're just bringing up Hilary out of nowhere. She was never president. Bush was president and started the war in Iraq.

[Stacey55666]

And Hillary voted for the same. Learn how the system works.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

I’ll only fight if I believe in what we are fighting for but if it’s an alien invasion I’ll go fight on ET’s side.

[VanillaSalt]

Lmao I think most of us might join you.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

It’s sick nowadays & in the past it was sick as well. We are fighting wars we don’t belong in.

[VanillaSalt]

These wars come at oddly good times… I mean I think Ide benefit from a draft. Imagine if most of the men in their prime years went to war and died… kinda like that last man lol.

I won’t fight. I don’t support what this country has become. I won’t fight for someone that actively hates me and calls for my death or imprisonment.

[inhua]

MY BODY! MY CHOICE!

oh wait, men can't have that. big daddy government says so

[richardcory]

I think its incredibly unlikely, but its its the law, I'll follow it. We don't get to pick and choose which laws to follow.

[gothbxtch]

assuming it included women so i would be drafted: HELL NO. i would do what my dad did in the vietnam war and draft dodge.

[VanillaSalt]

Going to Canada with that dictator Trudeau? The other way perhaps?

[Stacey55666]

No one should go and fight anymore senseless wars.

[strateguy632]

what if an ally asked for help? like germany bombing london, and if brit ask?

[Stacey55666]

@strateguy632

Ukraine has NEVER been an ally to America, but since they have dirt on Hunter and Joe, we are giving them hundreds of millions to keep them quiet.
If Germany bombed London, London could take care of it on their own.

[VanillaSalt]

If we don’t defend ally’s they won’t defend us… that being said intelligence supports enough.

[jammcm]

I was drafted and served in Vietnam. I would do it again. I am sure that you have heard this before, so here it goes again: " All men and women should spend at least two years serving their country in someway. Military or Civilian"

[Grovermint]

A draft is compulsory. How would I be able to refuse? Besides, I think the titanium plate in my head and possible seizure while holding an M16 prevents me from getting on the front line anyway.