Is there no excuse for unskilled labor?

[OddBeMe]

Can’t find a job? Get educated, moron. Most for free. If not free quit buying lottery tickets. Skillshare is only $180. Isn’t that how much they waste on lotto?

Oh, Khan Academy is free and offers college courses.

Well true

No

Other

[exitseven]

After Covid there have been a lot more opportunities for Pell Grants and other forms of government educational subsidies. Go to your local community college and ask to see a counselor. You dont have to attend classes there but they can help you figure out what to do and how to get there.

[OddBeMe]

Very true. Some people just don’t try. I don’t get the apathy.

I learned html 5 for a client to get a contract.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[gorydetails]

I’ll remember this the next time you whine about minimum wage.

[OddBeMe]

With minimum wage they could afford more schooling. Not really an issue.

[gorydetails]

It’s the entire issue. I know it’s embarrassing for you when your lame attempt to be edgy backfires on your leftist programming.

[OddBeMe]

Mmm trying to think from your perspective. Minimum wage was developed to keep up with inflation. If it were, it’d be $20/hr today.

That’s still not a living wage. So my argument against being unskilled is still valid.

[gorydetails]

Lol, minimum wage was developed to keep blacks out of the workforce.

[OddBeMe]

Elaborate please.

[gorydetails]

You can read it all here

https://a.co/d/fQAOqBb

[OddBeMe]

Cool! I like this guy…beleives in more democratic socialist approach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Brimmer

Funny that both guys went to college on the GI Bill, huh? One of the biggest entitlements (well deserved) ever passed.

[gorydetails]

No one cares what you like.

[OddBeMe]

Then why are you here? Besides masochistic embarrassment.

[gorydetails]

To prove, again, what a clown you are. You whine about minimum wage, then try to be all edgy telling people to "get skills".

[OddBeMe]

As I said, those aren’t mutually exclusive ideas.

[gorydetails]

Well yeah, they are. Because if someone gathers skills, then minimum wage is irrelevant. The point of minimum wage is to give people without skills the ability to get their foot in the door. It's never and should never be a "living wage".

[OddBeMe]

Yes…and people making minimum wage should be students. Not former factory workers with five kids.

[gorydetails]

Do you have stats on the number of former factory workers who take minimum wage jobs? Where’s the proof of your bullshit statement?

[OddBeMe]

www.cbsnews.com/.../

[gorydetails]

Here’s the part of the show where you conflate “low wage” with “minimum wage” to try to make a point. You tried.

[OddBeMe]

Don’t think I conflated. Feel free to show me evidence. You did it before. I believe in you!

Seriously I can believe in minimum wage hikes as basic Keynesian economics. And then also shame people for being too lazy on get educated to make higher wages. I don’t see the hypocrisy.

[gorydetails]

Minimum wage hikes keep unskilled labor from the workforce which limits their ability to gain skills.

[OddBeMe]

Show evidence of that claim please.

No one wants to be a Walmart greeter or cashier.

[OddBeMe]

Feel like you and I have the most honest responses. Scarier on your end, but enjoy mho.

[DaisyM23]

it's not really as simple as getting free education, it's a problem of access, money and time

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

I have used it many times. It’s very helpful.

[OddBeMe]

The excuse or skillshare?

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

Skillshare, obviously :)

[OddBeMe]

Gotcha. Love it too.

[jshm2]

GTFO dumbass.

So called "unskilled labor" can make more than doctors. Youtubers class as "unskilled" as are most celebrities.

Also, a "degree" doesn't guarantee a job. Most are working in Walmart until an opportunity opens up.

[msc545]

Sure, let's all be sure to not learn anything so we can become rich and make more money than doctors. Do you have any idea how ignorant this sounds?

[OddBeMe]

Is a carpenter, plumber or HVAC specialist unskilled to you? Because…it’s in the name. I’m talking literally unskilled labor workers. Probably a good 30% chunk of Americans.

[AngryCarl2]

Yes, it's important to learn a skill. If your skill is in demand in the jobs market, so much the better. Unless you're so retarded that some else has to tie your shoelaces for you.

[OddBeMe]

Well trumpites usually just troll or ignore me.

[inhua]

you should be telling that to liberals namely feminists who believe in the patriarchy, minorities who believe in systemic racism and the LGTBQ who believe in homophobia and transphobia

[OddBeMe]

Let me see…
Biggest unemployment percentage: White males. Oohhh

[inhua]

yeah white LIBERAL males

[OddBeMe]

For whites, strangely equal

[inhua]

no it's just white LIBERAL males. they have no skills outside of fighting for social justice causes to feel a sense of purpose

[OddBeMe]

Well that’s absolute bullshit, and I can say that with confidence as I did my homework.

[inhua]

ah yes. your homework for CNN, CBS, MSNBC

[OddBeMe]

Sensuously there’s an easy study to Google and read- oops there’s your problem. Anything longer than a MAGA hat and you guys have trouble.

[inhua]

lmao. Google is about as reliable as Wikipedia

[OddBeMe]

Google didn’t write the study dumbass. That’s like blaming a library. Jesus this is 3rd grade debate class.

[inhua]

I never said Google wrote the study. don't put words in my mouth

yeah a library that only contains certain books and forbids other books. Google already admits to omitting results so don't kid yourself with Google being reliable

[OddBeMe]

Funny that Russia was able to use Google AdWords, Facebook marketing and Twatter to get you Trumpers riled up in 2016.

[inhua]

ah yes, it's the Russians who are responsible. totally makes sense

[OddBeMe]

Responsible for riling up bullshit like Q anon and sick Hillary. And Pizza Pong e-mails. Or did Russia not hack the DNC?

[inhua]

where's your proof Russia hacked the DNC?

[OddBeMe]

Pretty widely reported bro. Easy to corrrborate.
techcrunch.com/.../

[inhua]

yeah it has been debunked too

apnews.com/.../north-america-donald-trump-lindsey-graham-politics-russia-f9c0ab20229140f18ea34e1f15a9f597

[Avicenna]

As usual, you're barely coherent, so no one really knows for sure what you're trying to lecture us about, but the economy still has some need for unskilled labor.

[OddBeMe]

No…we don’t. Sorry. I don’t want them to starve but I have to drill home the UNEED of unskilled labor. We’re a service economy now. What skills make you lucrative.

[Avicenna]

LOL, someone who wants unlimited numbers of unskilled illegals says we have NO NEED for unskilled labor? LMAO...

Do you know what sorts of work are classified as "unskilled labor"?

[OddBeMe]

Funny immigrsnts hsve higher number of skills thsn citizens
www.pewresearch.org/.../

[Avicenna]

As usual, you completely misrepresent even basic facts. Your source does not say what it claims you say it does; furthermore, you're deceptively trying to conflate legal immigrants with illegal invaders, who are generally not highly skilled.

Finally, even high-skill immigrants as a group may not have as you term it "a higher number of skills than citizens". They're often hired because they are less expensive to employ or are easier to abuse.

Just stop embarrassing yourself, Odd. How about answering what you think constitutes "unskilled work".

[OddBeMe]

And like clockwork you didn’t read past the opening line.

Bottom line, immigrants are good at rising on the social ladder. American born conservatives seem content to sit in their asses.

[Avicenna]

I read the whole thing. You didn't. You compare apples to oranges and, as I point out, falsely conflate two very different groups of people to draw false conclusions. To you, being from outside the US automatically confers super powers on someone and being a white American makes them, in your eyes, worthless.

You just continue to show you're dumb, can't understand facts or statistics, and are a partisan fool. But you've wised up a bit- you now say "conservatives" rather than "white people", which is what you really mean.

It's actually previous immigrants that are hurt most by illegals (African-Americans have been as well). But that's a nuance you aren't intelligent enough to understand. No serious nation prioritizes foreigners over its own native-born population.

[OddBeMe]

Not automatically but there is a consistent and correlative trend in immigrants and their children. That gives rise to people like Charles Murray believing Asians are smarter.

No Asian immigrants have gone through hell and back to get to America and become tiger parents to their kids, with sometimes disastrous outcomes. But mostly lots of STEM grads.

[Avicenna]

You're cherry picking here, talking about a self-selected group of people that usually themselves "have not gone through hell" to get to the US. And you miss the point- the point is not that there aren't talented people outside the US (there are very many of them), the point is whether US citizens and permanent residents should be displaced by them. In some cases, there is a lot of nepotism and discrimination involved in this displacement.

Legal immigration should allow in entrepreneurs who can bring their own investment capital or can source it from private investors, and some very highly skilled people such as mathematicians. If it's mass immigration, it drives down wages and raises the cost of living for ordinary people.

There are plenty of employers who want modern-day indentured servants. That doesn't benefit anyone but the employers, and it harms society. We should not allow it, and certainly not anyone arriving or overstaying illegally.

[Avicenna]

One other thing- generative AI is likely to reduce headcount in a lot of professions. It makes no sense to import large numbers of people when that is the case.

[OddBeMe]

NO ONE IS DISPLACED BY IMMIGRANTS.

That’s propaganda by right wing assholes to get your vote. If you are actually displaced by a newly arrived immigrant…that means you live i a shithole and work a meaningless $2/hr job.

[OddBeMe]

And they’ve been saying that about every new tech each year. AI still requires management.

I’m a writer and have researched AI as clients claim to be able to do my services. So I sent them two scripts to compare: mine and an AI generated.

They’re still my clients.

[Avicenna]

You can't even keep your BS propaganda straight.

In a nutshell:

-Lower-skilled Americans (especially African-Americans and previous immigrants) have been displaced by newly arrived illegals or ones who have come before them (pick your timeframe).
-More skilled Americans have been displaced by HB1s or other immigrants

You're obviously too dishonest to admit these simple truths.

As for AI, you have to keep in mind that people being illegally brought in by your beloved criminal Biden Administration and aren't just here for this year. They and perhaps their descendants may be around for decades, so that's the proper time horizon for AI, not just 2023.

I work in the accounting field, and AI is very much in the process of making a difference. And you don't need to be a techie to notice the difference in software capabilities and other forms of automation between now and, say, 2003, or even 2013.

[OddBeMe]

It’s pretty set research that immigrants rise quickly in the economy, starting businesses or going to school. Hell even illegals work as much as possible to send money across the border.

And the illegal who edges my yard with a weed eater in 10 seconds is a fckin artist.

[msc545]

People with an IQ of less than 80 will not do well here.

[OddBeMe]

Isn’t that disability?

[msc545]

Yes it is. But I'm not clear about how that changes things in terms of their potential to be educated.

[msc545]

Even people with IQs between 81 and 90 are going to have a great deal of difficulty with most technical material. That IQ range is technically not a disability.

[OddBeMe]

Well I a guess I’m referring to the average. Only 35%ish of America has a higher learning degree. Disabled Americans can’t be the remaining 60%